The Disappearance of Kyon

Jul 5, 2015 1:36 PM

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...I can certainly understand and sympathize with those having difficulty with this new series. It reminds me a great deal of the "Eternal Eight" episodes of the recurring two weeks of summer. Even the characters themselves had a hard time with that one. Watching the same basic elements of the same episode unfold slowly and subtly must have been maddening to some viewers. To my way of thinking, this opens up possibilities for this series. After all, gradually, the characters in the Nagato series are coming to terms with their thoughts and memories, with one notable exception: Kyon.
... Nagato recalls meeting Suzumiya before, and making a pattern with her, which Suzumiya called a "warm-up" for another project-wink*wink*blink*blink*nudge*nudge.... Any Haruhi fan should figure out that reference.
...Haruhi herself reveals a memory of her and Kyon making the pattern together as children, (Kyon was really young looking and Asahina was not present). So, the memories are there, the events have happened, are happening, but they are different for some reason, if you can accept the basic premise that the writers have a reason for doing so, beyond using the name of Haruhi for a *fluff* series, as some have described it.
...We can handle this in two basic ways: Either the creators of this new series are making a stand-alone offshoot of the original series, or this all fits together in some way with the original series.
...I hope for, and expect more. There is, after all the underlying mystery of Kyon himself. Hassled, harassed and under- appreciated, he is nonetheless the prime moving factor in the entire series. Recall his initial ride up the long hill, where he states his loss of belief in the unusual.
...Then enter Suzumiya Haruhi, bold, imaginative, yet utterly clueless. The others in her little group are equally helpless to act, they are, after all, self confessed underlings for the most part, unable or unwilling to act. Only there to observe. So, against his very nature, Kyon is drawn deeper and deeper into the realm he so long denied. Unlike the others, only he is free to act, and interact with Haruhi as an equal.
...His own presence completes her original request, of an Alien, A Time-Traveller, An Esper, and in Kyon, a Slider.
...Yet, back to that thought, in this series, he cannot recall the events that the others can remember so easily. In one of the Short Novels, on old schoolmate of his is touted as the worthy vessel for the power that is Haruhi's. Yet, the protagonists are seeking Kyon's active participation, and even permission for this. Why?
...Simply put, there is far more to Kyon, or John Smith, and the Suzumiya Haruhi series than meets the eye. I intend to keep watching whatever they put out for this series, and say that others should consider this as well. There are subtleties here that one does not often find. Like the "Eternal Eight", it is just taking a while, as some tales have a pace all their own.

Jul 7, 2015 8:10 AM

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This is a adaptation of the manga with the same name. And it's an alternate story in an alternate universe and has no connection with the novels. The movie and The Surprise of Suzumiya Haruhi second half are the last parts of the canon story.

Jul 8, 2015 6:17 AM

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...I'd say that confusion is a centerpiece to the Suzumiya franchise. To say the current incarnation is a stand-alone is one thing, to see it as totally disconnected is another. But your comment of it being an alternative universe hits the mark, yet, we have Nagato meeting her "other", Suzumiya making patterns with at least two members of the group, Kyon toying with a bookmark...
...If it were merely a fanciful offshoot, none of these references would be present, as it would simply be an oddball mix of students going to club after school. Yet, these referneces are there in number. In other words, these kids ain't normal.
...Back to Kyon, as this is the centerpiece of my thread. Kyon is the prime mover and decision maker of the series, in whatever form. When the "Eternal Eight" episodes come to a conclusion, it is Kyon, and only Kyon who acts to bring about a continuation of events. The others sit helpless and hopeless, unable to act, constrained by their positions as observers.and let's face it, Kyon's solution is about the stupidest one ever. Homework? Really? But it doesn't really matter what he came up with at that crucial moment, only that he did, for only he could.
...The problem with alternative universes like Nagato created in the Disappearance film is that they are inherently unstable, reflecting the mental status of their creator. Recall that Suzumiya was ready and willing to partner with Kyon in a "New World", and so was Nagato. Nagato's instability is present in that universe, as, characters were disappearing right and left in that film, explained as an illness, but in reality, the universe Nagato created was already crumbling, and this was a manifested result of that instability.
... So now, we have all the characters gathered once more, and hey, they all want to partner up with Kyon again. Even "Alternative Unniverse" Nagato confesses to him, as she is free to act in that universe as she wills, where the Nagato present is not. Heh. Its all quite fraught.
... Now, I might be guilty of a little overthinking here, but, that is part of the appeal of the Suzumiya franchise in the first place. It appeals to me because you just can't take it for granted. Its not for the ordinary, or weak of mind and imagination, being full of mystery and subtle symbolism. It may be frustrating as all get-out at times, but, no matter its current state, there is something there that is not present in other tales, to me. I appreciate it on multiple levels. You might say, that, in my world, a talking cat would not be too unusual...

Jul 8, 2015 6:20 AM

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The lack of paragraphing hurts my head.

I'm sure there are relevant points being discussed but I can't bring myself to try and skim through them =/

Jul 8, 2015 6:27 AM

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I appreciate your input. But there's a lot of rambling tbh. This series is bearable at best, it has no charm from the original one, as it is a complete different story within a different universe. The mystery was just thrown in there as a convenient and hasty twist.

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Jul 8, 2015 6:32 AM

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Hadske said:
I dont understand why they would make a new series of Suzumiya non related to the light novels ? We could of have gotten the next light novel of Haruhi after disapperance in this 14 episodes and from what I see on the list , the voice cast is the same.

There are no new LN to be promoted along with the new season, if there is to be one. Anime industry takes in much from promotion and affiliation with the source material than it does with the series itself. At least it is the only plausible reason I think that applies.

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It's fun, isn't it?

Jul 8, 2015 11:41 AM

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The Yuki-chan manga was doing well is probably why this anime was made.

Jul 9, 2015 3:07 PM

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I think the references are just homages for the old series, we even had a tanabata episode, do you really think that we will have a sequel adapted from the LNs?

Jul 9, 2015 10:42 PM

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...If there is any level of success and interest in anything having to do with Suzumiya Haruhi, it always leaves open the possibility of new material. Consider the fact that throughout the first two seasons, in the mini-series of Suzumiya-Chan, in the film The Disappearance of, and now in the Nagato series, all of the major character voice actors and actresses have been fully present and participating. They are obviously dedicated to the series, and a tight group.
...It is just possible, somewhere, somewhen, that these multiple references and plugs are not just homage to what has gone past, but... they just miight be a bridge, a prelude to more work to come. We'll see. It might go something like, "Hey, it had its moments, but this series didn't go over all that well, because the fans want more Haruhi and strange events."--"Ok, let's give them what they want."
...For the present, I will enjoy what is in the now, as, it is far better than no new Suzumiya Haruhi at all.
...At the end of the Disappearance of film, a unique set of events is present, one that was warned of as being a unsettling set of circumstances. I refer to the presence of more than one self in a time plane.
...And that was a reference to ONE member being doubled. At the film's end game, we have two Asahinas and two Kyons, both within touching distance of one another. An interesting state of events. Seems like there was a lot of confusion and chaos, there at the end. Could the at times outrageous and hilarious antics of the Haruhi-Chan characters have been a result of that? Is the rather dull and shy Nagato a result of all that mess, brought about by the instability caused by thousands of repetitive trips to the pool during the eternal summer? Is it all a plot of the Overmind, or a mind-game of the espers? Heh. You never know with this series. I, for one, would not underestimate the devious mind of the creator of the series.
...A little symbolism, as it pertains to Kyon's presence in each instance, and this thread is, after all, dedicated to him. In the Disappearance of film, when Suzumiya confronts Kyon after he reveals knowledge he should not have of the pattern drawing, Suzumiyta grabs him, and knocks heads. This is a meeting of the minds in a most physical sense, as two universes come to terms. I also love how this Haruhi believes his tale, where the other did not. Ah, to slide...
...Later, when Kyon wakens, he discovers Suzumiya sleeping by his bedside, wrapped in a sleeping bag, She appears very young. Actually, she is in a chrysalis, and, after a brief struggle, sheds her bindings, and emerges, reborn.
...Glad to see folk still care enough about the series to chat about it, despite whatever disappointments they have.

Jul 10, 2015 6:48 AM

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All that you said is kinda revealed in the LNs, it appears that Kyon will have to leap through time one again to resolve something (this is told in the last volume).
I understand from your post that this universe is linked with the canon stuff and this resembles an endless eight, I am very pessimistic in this matter because I think that it all depends to the author (who doesn't write anymore and we don't have an official explanation of the reason).
And another question: why Satelight didn't animate the LNs? if there were thoughts in continuing with the series by the author.

Jul 10, 2015 1:15 PM

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Catalano said:
All that you said is kinda revealed in the LNs, it appears that Kyon will have to leap through time one again to resolve something (this is told in the last volume).
I understand from your post that this universe is linked with the canon stuff and this resembles an endless eight, I am very pessimistic in this matter because I think that it all depends to the author (who doesn't write anymore and we don't have an official explanation of the reason).
And another question: why Satelight didn't animate the LNs? if there were thoughts in continuing with the series by the author.

It's not that he doesn't write anymore. He's still doing Haruhi-chan, and helping Puyo with Yuki-chan. There just isn't anything new for the main series.

Jul 11, 2015 6:49 AM

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...Loved Koizumi's reference to closed space and the mystery island adventure in the latest episode. Its either a dropped reference in homage, a simple comment with no real meaning, or... We'll see.It would be nice to see another movie done, based on the new interest this series has generated., Note I say "Interest", not "Approval".
...The series itself has shown a remarkably long life, and as long as folk are discussing it, it has life. Otherwise there never would have been a film in the first place.
...Speaking of Koizumi, its interesting that he made such a comment in the first place. His character has been quite subdued to date in this series, aside from flirting with Kyon in the bath. ick. Nice to see this new development. Why its most likely just naught, it is interesting to have him say that, out of the blue. They all have memories surfacing. While these memories may not come to fruition in this series, they might be setting the stage fro a future work.

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