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| Personally I'd have to side with Takumi in this situation. It's not like he rejected everything the coach suggested. When he gave him an actual reason why he should do something he didn't give any attitude. If the coach had said something that actually made some kind of sense like the hair might get in he's eyes then I don't think Takumi would have gotten so upset. There is no reason he should have to do something if he doesn't give a reason. I'm more curious about why he's attitude is like that to such a degree. I mean I can see a bit of why since he is 12(?) but that doesn't explain everything. With he's attitude of just bottling everything up I wonder how long it's going to take for him to just snap in a more extreme case than episode 2. Also does anyone think that there is something more to he's total rejection of human contact with his pitching arm? I can see that he'd want to protect it but lashing out at anyone who touches it seems extreme for just that. |
| Good episode. Reading all the comments I feel like almost the only one who actually likes this show a lot. XD I'm actually not siding with anyone (though a little bit more with Takumi, although his thinking is really black-and-white; maybe it's the main character effect) because every character had a good point but also flaws in what they were saying. Like, his mom was completely right in saying that Takumi should be more respectful and pay more attention to the ones who are, but she took a way too aggressive approach and the way she snarled at her father was kind of hypocritical. I do understand that it's probably because of the frustration building up, but still. It's not just in this episode, she's been talking in this frustrated, accusing tone to him since the first episode. Same for the coach, he was completely right for not liking Takumi acting so self-entitled and disrespectful, but asking him to go bald WAS unreasonable and not baseball-related. And Gou also had a point for being angry at Takumi after he said 'I'd rather not play than give in to him'. Gou practically continued baseball for his sake and then he acts like it doesn't matter at all. That must hurt. And he acts like everybody should just go along with his whims, never trying to accommodate to others even slightly. Takumi kind of took his pride too far there. Although Gou took his anger way too far. Takumi was gasping for breath at the end. |
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| Again, to me Takumi's behaviour seems pretty understandable with the way everyone else is acting. Jesus, just look at the way his mother flips out over nothing. |
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| The coach's order is ridiculous and I understand the reaction of Takumi, but saying that he doesn't care if he can't play during the 3 years, was a bit harsh for Gou, who want to play with him. Great episode :) |
| They can't fool the Coach! He immediately noticed Nakamura & Harada! OK!...it's lovers quare...I mean bromance quarrel! So stubborn Takumi! 5/5. |
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| Allow me to shed some light as to why many people, including myself, may think Takumi has a shitty attitude and why he can be considered an asshole especially in his country, Japan. He has no respect for his parents and the elderly and considering this is Japan (and no not every single family is traditionally bound, especially those who grew up abroad), he's pretty shitty towards his mom who's just concerned about him. I don't expect people who didn't grow up in an Asian family to fully understand this but subservience when it comes to the elderly is extremely important in school and in work. I don't know if people from other countries expect this kind of subservience when it comes to the elderly but it's a dominant trait in Asia which can lead to whether or not you'll be successful in life. I'm not even kidding. He obviously isn't acting up for the first time, it seems his attitude has always been a problem. I don't completely side with his mom because she yelled at Takumi's grandfather, who is is even older and deserves more respect (monkey see, monkey do) but I can understand her frustration with him. I'm sure everyone's going to attack the mother and demonize her but dealing with a son like that can be really stressful. This isn't the west, western ideals of "stick it to the man" doesn't work here. You may see it a lot in Anime or manga but standing up for yourself can be deemed a negative thing in Asia. Look at ReLife, when There ARE times when his attitude is understandable, like with that ridiculous student council/vice captain. Still, you people have to understand that in some schools they're very draconian when it comes to uniform policies. Students at my school were stopped from entering through the gates if their uniform, hair, socks, shoes, etc. didn't comply to the school policies. Again, I'm not trying to be an ass but I wouldn't expect people who didn't attend schools in Asia to understand this. Despite it, the student council had no right to grab him by the wrist. Usually, we're just told we're violated rules and we're sent straight to the office to get a warning. In some schools, although it's now looked down upon by many, students are beaten by the faculty if they violate any rules or answer back. The coach is a complete ass for asking him to shave his head. In Asia, especially in Japan and South Korea, people hate it when underclassmen and other younger people think too highly of themselves and show no regard for the upperclassmen. It's not right but it's part of their culture and even if you think they should stand up for themselves, which some do, they're not taken seriously or are even demoted or fired or kicked out (off a team, from a company, from a group, etc.) if they show insubordination. True, this sort of systematic seniority in their society leads to higher rates of suicide but not many people are willing to change. I'm not on their side but I understand why they act the way they do. It's hard to change a culture that's been a certain way for hundreds, even thousands of years. I believe his grandfather and coach are right about him refraining from throwing hard balls. He might blow out his elbow or shoulder and ruin any future in baseball altogether. Gou is a good person and he's right, Takumi is a fucking ass for acting the way he does. |
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| Why is the coach demanding him to cut his hair? I did a google search for baseball players having to keep their hair short, but nothing came up. Seems unreasonable. Does the coach just not like his hair? |
psychoalchemist said: me @ everyone in this show so far:  As prickly and selfish as Takumi is, I still side with him in this episode. First of all, like @Lelouch0202 said, Takumi shouldn't have been taken straight to the faculty office just for having his collar undone. Not that I know what it's like irl, but I'm pretty sure a simple "fix your collar" would have sufficed. And like everyone else has said, the adults in this show are ridiculously difficult. The coach was being unreasonable for no reason. As long as Takumi's hair doesn't get in the way of his gameplay, I don't see what the big deal is. Takumi's mother picks a fight with him literally every time he talks. He definitely could be more polite, but just yelling at him isn't going to change his behavior. And Go's mom from last week was also ridiculous, asking Takumi to tell Go to quit baseball. And the drama didn't even stop there! Like I already said, that vice captain who took Takumi to the faculty office should have just told him to fix his collar. And while I do side with Takumi right now, he acts like someone's going to tase him whenever they touch his arm. And Go blew his anger way out of proportion. I agree with Takumi, that he shouldn't have to kiss up to the coach just to play. Go shouldn't extrapolate his own personal feelings on someone else. And like a lot of people have already said, not only is the drama excessive, these characters are supposed to be freshmen in MIDDLE SCHOOL, making them 12 or 13. This dialogue would be cringey enough for high schoolers, but it's just unbelievable for middle schoolers. As much as I love sports anime, I'm not liking the focus on how bitchy everyone is, and the lack of focus on actual sports. Considering how mad every episode has made me so far, I may be better of dropping the anime. I'm 100% with you man. So far the anime has been a huge disappointment for me. I came here for the sports and instead all I see is unnecessary drama which stems from everyone in the cast being unreasonable in one way or another. |
Closet-kun said: For the guys saying the coach is an asshole because he so called told The mc to go bald, I personally think the mc is the asshole. Agreed, well said. |
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Mormegil said: Probably some sort of old school military type culture thing.Why is the coach demanding him to cut his hair? I did a google search for baseball players having to keep their hair short, but nothing came up. Seems unreasonable. Does the coach just not like his hair? |
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| Good episode, the coach is kind of an asshole While I'm enjoying it and the drama is handled well for the most part, some of it is so melodramatic, and this is coming from someone who loves melodrama. |
| Quoting myself from somewhere else "Currently my biggest gripe is character interaction. I think to some degree it's pretty realistic, but Battery has a whole slew of annoying adults... And of course I complained about the designs looking too old for the characters before - Takumi acts and thinks like a egotistic 12yo, but he doesn't look it at all so I have a hard time fitting him into his personality (he's comes off as really petty!). Yet everyone interacts with him as they would a 12yo and that makes it very off/condescending when it shouldn't be. For example, Takumi got in trouble for a slew of things in this episode, but it doesn't make sense because it's almost like everyone is out to get him... he gets scolded and lectured a lot, which totally makes it seem like everyone is antagonizing him. There's a lack of emotional rationality/restraint in our protagonists as well, as they should for their age, but watching the fight left me thinking they're short-tempered/petty again..." Also, they're getting manhandled because rural + old-school teaching. Y'know like the school corporal punishment stories you hear from your grandparents. It really makes me question what time period this is taking place in though... Posting again, cuz why not. :P |
Mirorin said: Also, they're getting manhandled because rural + old-school teaching. Y'know like the school corporal punishment stories you hear from your grandparents. It really makes me question what time period this is taking place in though... I was wondering about the time period as well and I saw that the original novel was written beginning in 1996. Although the character designs are taken from the most recent adaptation of the novel, so not really sure if they might've changed the time period and made it current? I mean if it was 1996, I can really understand all this strictness and the adults (well mainly just the two mothers and the coach) act that way. Education and child-rearing style do change within the times, although of course you can still get "traditional" style teaching. |
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tingy said: Mirorin said: Also, they're getting manhandled because rural + old-school teaching. Y'know like the school corporal punishment stories you hear from your grandparents. It really makes me question what time period this is taking place in though... I was wondering about the time period as well and I saw that the original novel was written beginning in 1996. Although the character designs are taken from the most recent adaptation of the novel, so not really sure if they might've changed the time period and made it current? I mean if it was 1996, I can really understand all this strictness and the adults (well mainly just the two mothers and the coach) act that way. Education and child-rearing style do change within the times, although of course you can still get "traditional" style teaching. Going by character designs (Takumi's long hair?), I'd say it's suppose to be in a more modern setting, but they didn't change the script or events, so there's a bit of a gap between how they appear vs. how they act. 1990's is plenty recent enough for that kind of strictness, since it's still pretty common in Asia even now. Takumi's also involved in sports, so I'm not surprised.Thanks for the info. ^^ Wiki on school corporal punishment in Japan: "Although banned in 1947, corporal punishment is still commonly found in schools in the 2010s and particularly widespread in school sports clubs...As recent as December 2012, a high school student committed suicide after having been constantly beaten by his basketball coach. An education ministry survey found that more than 10,000 students received illegal corporal punishment from more than 5,000 teachers across Japan in 2012 fiscal year alone." <-- Yeah... |
Mirorin said: Wiki on school corporal punishment in Japan: "Although banned in 1947, corporal punishment is still commonly found in schools in the 2010s and particularly widespread in school sports clubs...As recent as December 2012, a high school student committed suicide after having been constantly beaten by his basketball coach. An education ministry survey found that more than 10,000 students received illegal corporal punishment from more than 5,000 teachers across Japan in 2012 fiscal year alone." <-- Yeah... Well damn. I guess it's not really well enforced then, unless it's not a legal amendment or whatever. Apparently corporal punishment in schools was also banned in Taiwan, but wasn't enforced until there was a legal amendment. That might be the problem. Or maybe the students are afraid of reporting their teachers :/ 1996 or current times would work then. |
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Since teacher-student relationships in Asia vs. the West are different, I don't know if they don't want to report it or if students actually see it as appropriate (to some extent). It may be illegal, but I don't think it's something that will be extensively dealt with much unless there's blatant abuse. Being roughed up a bit by educators or upper classmates, verbally and/or physically, is relatively common and acceptable because of social hierarchy. Especially in physical sports, as we see in anime examples with the coach in Battery or the team in Diamond no Ace. (In DnA it's taken as comedy, but there's a ton of manhandling, assault, and bullying from the senpai tbh, even though it's "friendly fighting". :>) *I find this an interesting topic to explain for some reason, sorry if I'm blabbing a bit. xD |
MirorinAug 8, 2016 2:55 AM
zachfoss said: This.Good episode, but everything in this show is so over dramatized ...like, lol what?  Coach is a cunt, you're being way too ridiculous. It's not causing problems for him.  The show is shoving drama in right and left |
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| I was mostly laughing in this episode, about how over dramatized and cliché this was. Everyone's so serious and aggressive.. You're 12, chill for the God sakes.. |
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| I dont really get this show, we'll mostly this Mc, is there a reason he acts like this? Because so far it doesn't look like, is like his only goal is to piss people off |
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| Oh no its already falling apart, everyone has a chip on their shoulder and it looks like its takes itself way to fucking seriously for a junior high baseball series. |
| I sometimes watch chinese cartoons/stuff and share unsolicited opinions. |
| They're 7th graders? 7th graders who are assholes don't get free reign like this piece of crap |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| And now a new jackass has been added to the fold...the vice captain/school prefect. Harada just disrespects everyone and everything. They should have let Gou kill him. Aren't main characters supposed to be at least a tiny bit likable? |
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No. This is actually a pretty old (and worn-out) debate, existing in the crowd for a very long time in the literary domain. Papers are still released today about this "question", I invite you to read some (not "reviews" or "blogs" from anime consumers of course). A story's character, main or not, is supposed to be what the writer wants it to be, not the audience. (it's easy in this show to understand that the "hero" isn't made to be a nice person) |
| The coach shouldn't play Harada ever, the bitch has an attitude for days. I don't know who said he's the shit before, no wonder the grandfather doesn't want to teach him anything. Also, that first catcher sucks. |
How I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb --- Dr Strangelove  |
| Takumi doesn't look 12 at all. Anyways, the Haradas seem like a ticking time bomb. That's one unhappy family. The mother doesn't really explain herself that much and initiates every conversation with a lot of attitude and bitterness. It at least makes sense why Takumi is equally confrontational. |
| The adults in this show are so unreasonable and hypocrites at times that I can't even fully blame takumi for his poor attitude at times, at least he has the excuse that he's 12 (13?) years old. Also he seems to dislike when people touch him, so I wonder if there's something to that... Although with the way the coach and that other student grabbed him it makes it understandable too... |
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| one edgy peep after another . am done , sayonara battery! |
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