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Kirie-san said: @FrozenSheep : Of course, in the game they weren't stupid enough to bring up a condition like that (the fact that squires can die if the Sheperd dies). Moreover, in the anime, she calls Sorey for help while in the game she didn't know that her being Sorey would affect him, and after that she handled things by herself. People are not supposed to know that there's a Lord of Calamity who brings chaos, so it would have been more realistic for her to stay and reassure people. And it doesn't make sense that everybody comes to help Sorey to fight while they can't even see hellions. It's time to accept that the anime is a mess and that everything was done just to put Alisha in the spotlight, even if it brings nonsense (seems they don't care about that). This anime "adapted" to the new reality brought by Tales of Berseria. The Squire Pact downside was a bit random since there wasn't really any indication in either games, but I don't dislike that change. Those pacts are like Oaths and we know that Oaths are like curses. They can grant tremendous power at a high cost. -In the game, Alisha didn't know that she was affecting the Shepherd because Sorey was hiding the truth from her. You can't blame her for not knowing that. -I wouldn't say that people are not supposed to know about the Lord of Calamity. They don't know the truth of Malevolence for their own protection. The Lord of Calamity is probably like Dragons --- to them, those things are like legends of the past. Old stories. Having witnessed a Dragon and seeing their Princess (and the Shepherd) put a stop to it probably has something to do with their renewed faith in the existence of invisible beings... or the Lord of Calamity. They probably don't know much about the LoC, but they probably know that he must be stopped. -Hellions aren't always invisible. A Hellion dog is going to look like a normal dog to them. They can fight them, but not purify them. We don't know for sure what will happen, but personally, I don't think that having an army of soldiers is going to help them. It slows them down. It's more mouth to feed. Let's be honest though. They are there to be slaughtered and buy time. They aren't going to achieve anything miraculous thing, IMO. It's kind of like a "horror settings" --- the more they are, the more will die. -We shall see how the Anime ends. For the most part, I enjoyed it. However, I don't like how most characters were sidelined in favor of Alisha and Rose. In any case, I'm glad that it's not too similar to the game. As I mentioned a couple of times (elsewhere), I prefer Anime original stuff. It makes it slightly less predictable and more fun to watch. Outside of the sidelined characters, I wish we had more "meaningful" fights. Most action scenes were too short and underwhelming. |
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Even if that's the case, the squire pact can be undone. At least I don't remember them saying otherwise in the anime, unless I missed something and I guess that's because Alisha doesn't even want to think of that possibility. She always wanted to be a mahou shoujo and now, with hard work, she will be able to armatize. Dreams are nice |
Veldin461Mar 6, 2017 2:29 PM
| It's amazing how much salt this 2nd season has garnered from its "fans" . |
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| This was an excellent episode and it feels like its nearing the end Its nice to see all the various factions that Sorey has encountered over the series come together and join Sorey's alliance. After last weeks heavy action at least the tornado and the malevolence that created it was purified successfully. But man the damage to Hyland's capital is pretty heavy. That sure is a lot of people gathered for Alisha though. But Alisha is a person thats well respected by the people thanks to her beliefs and her willingness to protect the people. Its nice to see that Sorey looks like he recovered as well. He's been in bed for five days eh. But man Rose and Alisha have been unconscious for 9 days . I hope they manage to recover. Its nice to see that the people of the nation are repaying Alisha's kindness and willingness to protect them with their support and prayers. Truly she's an amazing person. But im glad that both Rose and Alisha manage to wake up from that ordeal. Ians expression when she was hugging Alisha though but i guess her subordinates must have been worried sick. Its nice to see Maltran is finally free of her cell and that cross though. Considering the fact that purifying the dragon knocked Sorey out for 5 days and Alisha and Rose for 9 they really can't afford to do this too often. Still its nice to see that Rose and Alisha despite knowing how difficult it is is still willing to perform their duties. Alisha and Rose really are strong characters in their own right. Rose and Alisha seem to have gotten to be friendlier as well. Hmm so the reason why Dezel isn't with Rose is because he was fighting that minion of the Calamity lord eh. That explains it. Even at this point Sorey still seeks to end this war without combat eh. Still too bad that it won't work. Wow being transported to a far away land in the blink of an eye. That little girl sure is scary. With a strength like that the king sure looks to be formidable. That was just a taste but man the power of the lord of calamity sure is strong and indeed overpowering. It seems that aide though who was so sure of herself before doesn't feel the same way anymore. After seeing that Sorey would course want to head north to excise this mass of malevolence. Only then can they weaken the Lord of Calamity enough. Thats some high praise coming from a veteran seraph like Lailah. Hmm so the book that Sorey has been reading all this time was written by another Shepard before him eh. And the fact that there was another that was kept in safe keeping by her as well eh. So this new book was written by Lailah's former master then eh. So Velver crowe was the original source of malevolence. Sorey getting fashion advice from Rose though lol. It must have looked pretty comical to Alisha though lol. Hmm so Alisha sent Ian and Sirel to accompany Sorey eh. That means that Alisha is coming along with them as well eh. Well we can always use more blades and bows. Its nice to see Alisha is taking her duty as a squire seriously though. But its just what i expect from her. Lol to think that Alisha was the one that managed to pick the coat that Sorey should wear. Thats a really impressive line of people that want to help Sorey in his expedition though. And wow they sure come from all walks in life. Its nice to see the people though are so earnest though. With Bartlow now gone and with Alisha's father sadly dead as well Alisha is the new ruler of Hyland. It couldn't have asked for a better leader. Maltran never had any illusions that Alisha will not be a good leader though. It looks this journey North will have all the seraphs accompanying Sorey. With Alisha doing the selections im sure everyone that was picked will be useful to them for this expedition. Its funny seeing an assassin group like Scatted Bones turn into a army though. Mikleo and Edna's conversation was pretty funny though. They finally manage to agree on something lol. Its nice seeing Sorey and Alisha being so popular though. Its nice seeing the cast able to not just train but also relax as well because the expedition will only get harder the further north they go. Its nice that while Edna wants to save her brother that she's putting the world before him. Saving him won't be worth it if the world ends straight after all. Its kinda nice that we get to see some of the support characters from the previous season like Atakk appear. This episode despite not being the last has that last episode vibe about it. And this time he's not alone eh lol. Gosh thats a lot of normins. And even the Sergei and his red knights and the knights of the church are here as well eh. Truly a coalition of different groups indeed. Only Sorey can inspire such loyalty really. Its nice seeing everyone join up to face this threat though. Lol Dezel and Zeveid having a drinking contest though. Rose and Alisha as well too lol. Still the odds are really against them here. Still its nice to see that Sorey and the Seraphs remain optimistic. Hmm so there's a chance that we get to see Armatization of the squires this series eh. That will be cool to see. Both Dezel and Lailah make good points though. Yes its dangerous for the squires but at the same time if the Lord of Calamity is that strong then we have to use everything to achieve victory. Though it seems that before they can do that some training will be required. So armatization is a two part process eh. |
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Veldin461 said: Even if that's the case, the squire pact can be undone. At least I don't remember them saying otherwise in the anime, unless I missed something and I guess that's because Alisha doesn't even want to think of that possibility. She always wanted to be a mahou shoujo and now, with hard work, she will be able to armatize. Dreams are nice In the game, it could be "deactivated", but not removed completely, IMO. Maybe there is permanent "damage" to such a pact? Alisha wanted to see the same world as Sorey so she joined with him. In the Anime, I'm not sure that it can be safely undone. When Sorey realized the danger/consequences of the Squire Pact, his first reaction was "what have I done to Alisha?" instead of "I must deactivate the pact". Maybe it can be done, but I get the impression that it's not easily undone. |
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DragonSlayer_19 said: It's amazing how much salt this 2nd season has garnered from its "fans" . What do you mean by "fans"? |
| Loved the scenes with first ending song but not as pictures. |
| My ship waking up next to each other in bed (even if they're separate beds but shhh) and then bathing together-- and then cutely eating and laughing together. Mmmhmmm it must be my half birthday. Jfc just slay me right now. Dementors up in this series though. |
| why not just let people have their own opinions? Shouldn't be that hard to ignore posts you don't like/support ... anyway, I wonder if the "worst heroine ever" will be able to fuse with a Seraph, the connection to Edna seems a bit weird, but we'll see. e: also the ending skit was perfect once again, I love them :D |
| So far I stick with the videogame, honestly. I know they made good changes but I found most of them unnecessary or boring. Also, the Berseria references all over the place show content of a lore that was never exposed on first place, I'd love to know what anime-only watchers are understanding about the connection between both games. |
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FrozenSheep said: -We shall see how the Anime ends. For the most part, I enjoyed it. However, I don't like how most characters were sidelined in favor of Alisha and Rose. In any case, I'm glad that it's not too similar to the game. As I mentioned a couple of times (elsewhere), I prefer Anime original stuff. It makes it slightly less predictable and more fun to watch. I don't think anyone minds anime original material, but rather how it's handled. No matter what, this anime is an adaptation first and foremost and thus any original material needs to be based on the games' lore and characters. Otherwise they need to state upfront that it's a loose adaptation (aka an AU). A lot of the salt is due to them seeing the writers adding/changing things that don't fit with the lore or the original characters' personalities. And that's the issue I see on these forums as well. If you hate the game's story, are you really going to care about the lore or its' themes? If you disliked the characters in the game, are you really going to care that the anime ignores certain charas or sideline them? No, of course not. Thus the reason many people like this anime; it changes the story to what they like to see, it focuses on the characters they liked even if it goes against the lore/themes/characters of the game. Even if I think the anime is terrible on its' own merits; some anime-only watchers do not, so where they fit in I don't know. *shrug* Doesn't apply to everyone, naturally, but I find it telling most of those who say they like the anime also say the hated the game. On the flip side, I also have not seen a person who liked/indifferent to the game say they loved the anime or even like season 2. |
Sakarii said: FrozenSheep said: -We shall see how the Anime ends. For the most part, I enjoyed it. However, I don't like how most characters were sidelined in favor of Alisha and Rose. In any case, I'm glad that it's not too similar to the game. As I mentioned a couple of times (elsewhere), I prefer Anime original stuff. It makes it slightly less predictable and more fun to watch. I don't think anyone minds anime original material, but rather how it's handled. No matter what, this anime is an adaptation first and foremost and thus any original material needs to be based on the games' lore and characters. Otherwise they need to state upfront that it's a loose adaptation (aka an AU). A lot of the salt is due to them seeing the writers adding/changing things that don't fit with the lore or the original characters' personalities. And that's the issue I see on these forums as well. If you hate the game's story, are you really going to care about the lore or its' themes? If you disliked the characters in the game, are you really going to care that the anime ignores certain charas or sideline them? No, of course not. Thus the reason many people like this anime; it changes the story to what they like to see, it focuses on the characters they liked even if it goes against the lore/themes/characters of the game. Even if I think the anime is terrible on its' own merits; some anime-only watchers do not, so where they fit in I don't know. *shrug* Doesn't apply to everyone, naturally, but I find it telling most of those who say they like the anime also say the hated the game. On the flip side, I also have not seen a person who liked/indifferent to the game say they loved the anime or even like season 2. I enjoyed the game despite its faults and I'm liking the anime. It's slow and skipped a bunch of things. I can also understand why some changes are made. Tales games have a lot of filler (especially bosses) and useless drama. |
FrozenSheepMar 10, 2017 8:55 AM
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FrozenSheep said: I enjoyed the game despite its faults and I'm liking the anime. It's slow and skipped a bunch of things. I can also understand why some changes are made. Tales games have a lot of filler (especially bosses) and useless drama. You're a rarity. xD I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the game, though, and it compared to the anime since most of what I've read tend to be the hate-like crowd. It's hard to get anything in the middle. |
Sakarii said: FrozenSheep said: I enjoyed the game despite its faults and I'm liking the anime. It's slow and skipped a bunch of things. I can also understand why some changes are made. Tales games have a lot of filler (especially bosses) and useless drama. You're a rarity. xD I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on the game, though, and it compared to the anime since most of what I've read tend to be the hate-like crowd. It's hard to get anything in the middle. I think I gave an impression on Episode 0. (I won't go into big spoilers so it's fine. I'll still hide it for others) |
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FrozenSheep said: I think I gave an impression on Episode 0. (I won't go into big spoilers so it's fine. I'll still hide it for others) Thanks! :D I haven't seen episode 0, so I haven't had the chance to read the comments about it. Apologies. |
Sakarii said: FrozenSheep said: I think I gave an impression on Episode 0. (I won't go into big spoilers so it's fine. I'll still hide it for others) Thanks! :D I haven't seen episode 0, so I haven't had the chance to read the comments about it. Apologies. Without spoiling anything, I think you could look at it this way: Berseria explains the origin of Malevolence (actually, the post-game dungeon reveals a big portion of it) whereas Zestiria shows the consequences of Velvet's actions. You don't have to play both games, but it certainly wouldn't hurt. I'll just use a completely random example. It's totally made up. Imagine that Berseria (totally made up) ended with Velvet having a baby with Eizen, and their daughter is Edna. Watching the Anime Edna without having played Berseria won't have the same impact as having played the game --- because you know exactly who Edna is, what she went through and what hope lies within her. --- Anyway, having played both games certainly will help you understand their motivation. Even Sorey's naive "killing is wrong" has a lot more meaning/impact after playing Berseria. |
FrozenSheepMar 10, 2017 3:36 PM
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FrozenSheep said: [Without spoiling anything, I think you could look at it this way: Berseria explains the origin of Malevolence (actually, the post-game dungeon reveals a big portion of it) whereas Zestiria shows the consequences of Velvet's actions. You don't have to play both games, but it certainly wouldn't hurt. I'll just a completely random example. It's totally made up. Imagine that Berseria (totally made up) ended with Velvet having a baby with Eizen, and their daughter is Edna. Watching the Anime Edna without having played Berseria won't have the same impact as having played the game --- because you know exactly who Edna is, what she went through and what hope lies within her. --- Anyway, having played both games certainly will help you understand their motivation. Even Sorey's naive "killing is wrong" has a lot more meaning/impact after playing Berseria. I understand, thanks~ I've decided to finish Berseria and rewatch ToZX to get the full experience and give it another chance. |
| the kitty brought more kitties with him!!! 10/10 episode for me then |
| Armatization is badass! hope they achieve it! Lord of Calamity is near! 5/5. |
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| Really enjoyed this one, things are finally starting to look up as Ladylake is finally rid of malevolence. Not too big on the idea that even Squires could possibly achieve armitization like Sorey. It's cool to finally see everyone together though! |
| Begin the travel to defeat the Calamity Lord!!! Humans, Pastor, Normins all in a travel to save the world!!! Very simple plot!!!! |
| the plot keeps going linear and cringe, however the idea of armatization is quite interesting Also the bath scene, I no longer have any regret watching season 2 |
| Great episode and buildup for probably the next couple episodes! Let's see what's next. |
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| As a dub watcher, it was very ironic that Sorey's english VA came back this episode. The episode started with him waking up after being "out for a while", lol. (For those that haven't been watching dubs, Sorey's original voice actor Robbie Daymond had been replaced for the last several episodes by Bryce Papenbrook of all people. It was very jarring suddenly hearing Kirito/Eren Jeager/Rin Okumura/etc. speaking for my Sorey D:) I don't know if it was because the VA changed back to normal or what, but I thoroughly enjoyed this episode. A secret 2nd volume to the Celestial Record (with Velvet!!!), hot springs, plot progression... so many highlights! That ending sequence was also a very beautiful insert from the 1st ED. |
VysarineAug 18, 2017 11:34 PM
| Those Normins are really cute! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| They traveled to defeat the king of malice. |
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| Damn the generic shounen everyone coming together to fight the main villain was pretty hype. But, the random fucking introduction of a powerup that was never established is still the most fucking annoying thing ever at least mention it once beforehand. They know the final boss is gonna be some OP mofo but never thought of mentioning, "yeah there's this ultimate final form you might wanna train for to achieve it." |
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| Celestial Book part 2... and we didn't even get any new information lmao anyways that armatization fail looked painful! I hope they can do it before the final boss fight |
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| This was my favorite episode so far in this season. Easily one of the best build-up episodes I have ever seen. Everyone is ready for the big battle. Beware, the Lord of Calamity! |
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