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Aug 15, 2017 5:04 PM
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Why did Tadatsuru Teori's doll have to be killed for him to prepare to resurrect Koyomi? He was already dead, why not just tell him?
Aug 15, 2017 6:00 PM
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Gaen's plan was two-fold:

1) orchestrate his death to separate Ononoki from Araragi--they wanted to have him see her as a monster, scaring him away from the supernatural so he could live his life as a normal human (didn't quite work out that way since she ended living with him anyways, but she's like a bodyguard of sorts so it's fine)

2) have him killed to send him to hell so that he could make the proper preparations necessary so that when Araragi is resurrected, he is brought back to life as a full human (without his vampirism).

I'm not 100% certain, but I'm assuming that even though he's already dead, he's just possessing his puppets and those need to be "killed off" in order for him to go back to hell (not entirely sure; just a guess). They don't really explain the logistics of his abilities
Aug 15, 2017 6:22 PM
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I think it was mostly to fool ougi. It's also possible he needed to have the doll die in shirohebi shrine so that he could find that spot in hell and it also might have had something to do with him offering all those cranes into the offering box of the shrine.

I know theres plenty of references in anime to folding 1000 cranes to have your wish come true so presumably that legend was used to allow dream span to work there or something. Would have been nice if they clarified exactly but I'm mostly satisfied as long as I can come up with a plausible explanation.

It was ougi's plan to separate yotsugi and araragi and that's why gaen sent her to live with him.
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Aug 15, 2017 6:41 PM
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GodHimselfx100 said:
I think it was mostly to fool ougi. It's also possible he needed to have the doll die in shirohebi shrine so that he could find that spot in hell and it also might have had something to do with him offering all those cranes into the offering box of the shrine.


Is that actually said anywhere? That because Tadatsuru Teori's doll was killed, the real Tadatsuru (who was already dead) would be made aware that Araragi was coming for him?

Also, I don't understand why Araragi had to lose his vampirism in the first place. Couldn't he have defeated Ougi even without that? He only needed to say her identity...
Aug 15, 2017 7:58 PM
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Talcon said:
GodHimselfx100 said:
I think it was mostly to fool ougi. It's also possible he needed to have the doll die in shirohebi shrine so that he could find that spot in hell and it also might have had something to do with him offering all those cranes into the offering box of the shrine.


Is that actually said anywhere? That because Tadatsuru Teori's doll was killed, the real Tadatsuru (who was already dead) would be made aware that Araragi was coming for him?

Also, I don't understand why Araragi had to lose his vampirism in the first place. Couldn't he have defeated Ougi even without that? He only needed to say her identity...


Idk, maybe, in the worst case scenario, they'd need Shinobu's full power (which was obtainable after killing Araragi)
Aug 16, 2017 2:23 AM
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HueBrDeus said:
Talcon said:


Is that actually said anywhere? That because Tadatsuru Teori's doll was killed, the real Tadatsuru (who was already dead) would be made aware that Araragi was coming for him?

Also, I don't understand why Araragi had to lose his vampirism in the first place. Couldn't he have defeated Ougi even without that? He only needed to say her identity...


Idk, maybe, in the worst case scenario, they'd need Shinobu's full power (which was obtainable after killing Araragi)

Araragi had to lose his vamparism becuase gaen wanted kiss-shot in her full power to become the god instead of mayoi
Aug 16, 2017 2:19 PM
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raiyan007 said:
HueBrDeus said:


Idk, maybe, in the worst case scenario, they'd need Shinobu's full power (which was obtainable after killing Araragi)

Araragi had to lose his vamparism becuase gaen wanted kiss-shot in her full power to become the god instead of mayoi


Oh yea, of course, I forgot about that haha. And then Araragi, our boi, brought Mayoi back.
HueBrDeusAug 16, 2017 8:48 PM

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