| We have anime 3x3, but what about Communist 3x3 For me it's Marx, Stalin, Lenin, Kollontai, Mao, Ho Chi Minh, Kropotkin, Herzen, Plekhanov What about you?  |
| Gonna be frank, I haven't done much reading on communism, socialism, and whatnot directly from textbooks or the like. Just about all of what I know comes from either thinking about what I read in economics textbooks, or more often, hearing about other's experiences and attempting to use induction to generalize what they say to how society is or should be. So I don't know how many of these folks would claim to be "communists" or "socialists," **and I can't say I know much about them at all**, but from what I do know (based on what I have heard them say and the experiences they've had) I'd say they are somewhere well off to the left (at least by America's ridiculous standards). Top: Karl Marx, Howard Zinn, Rou Reynolds Middle: Malcolm X, Bernie Sanders, George Orwell Bottom: Serj Tankian, Shaun, Noam Chomsky  Yeah, I just stole the Karl Marx photo you used, Holo. And also yes, I did put a youtuber there. As embarrassing as it may be to admit, his videos arguably played the biggest role in getting me away from cruddier ideolgies. |
KittenCuddlerAug 1, 2022 9:38 PM
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Orange_is_White said: Gonna be frank, I haven't done much reading on communism, socialism, and whatnot directly from textbooks or the like. Just about all of what I know comes from either thinking about what I read in economics textbooks, or more often, hearing about other's experiences and attempting to use induction to generalize what they say to how society is or should be. So I don't know how many of these folks would claim to be "communists" or "socialists," **and I can't say I know much about them at all**, but from what I do know (based on what I have heard them say and the experiences they've had) I'd say they are somewhere well off to the left (at least by America's ridiculous standards). Top: Karl Marx, Howard Zinn, Rou Reynolds Middle: Malcolm X, Bernie Sanders, George Orwell Bottom: Serj Tankian, Shaun, Noam Chomsky Yeah, I just stole the Karl Marx photo you used, Holo. And also yes, I did put a youtuber there. As embarrassing as it may be to admit, his videos arguably played the biggest role in getting me away from cruddier ideolgies. Lol that's fine, not like its mines, bit before my time to have taken his picture XD Yeah that's true the American perspective on leftism is so muddled. So many people are so far to the right, they think Biden is left wing XD Since so far to the right that anybody to the left of them, is the left. From who I know, I like your list. I like Howard Zinn, Malcolm X and Orwell were ahead of their time, and Chomsky is one of my favorites. And although Bernie didn't have the courage to truly take on the political and corporate establishment despite having the chance to do so, he's definitely inspired lot of young people to become politically active, made people aware of issues that are now mainstream whereas without his run, would still be largely ignored. And that leftist policies are common sense and not something to be scared of like how the corporate shills make them out to be. So the skull is the a v-tuber? And his name is Shaun? lol Doesn't have to be all those who identify as communists, that's just the title I made for it and did my 3x3 based on. Leftists in general I would include Chomsky. Chomsky definitely isn't a communist, but describes himself as "Anarcho-syndicalist and libertarian socialist" and even once described himself as a conservative...from the perspective of those during the age of enlightenment in Scotland. This was when he was asked if he could go back in time to any period, and he chose that period of time. Zinn doesn't really identify specifically with any ideology, "Maybe something of a anarchist, maybe something of a socialist." Just believes in fighting for what's right. Bernie although is seen as crazy by lots in America, is normal in Europe lol. I mean Bernie would've been seen as normal during The New Deal Era of The United States. |
| @Orange_is_White yaeh i got a bunch of ppl i kind of want to put on but havent actually read anyting about ;_____; i will include some fun stuff instead marx, engels, lenin mao, babeuf, subcomandante galeano/marcos/whatever vijay prashad (fav author rn and i will listen to talks he gives on youtube) chernyshevsky (author of "what is to be done" which is extermely fun and lenin liked and named his thing after) takashi mizutani (les rallizes denudes) HoloisHolo said: yaeh so many ppl i kknow got initially involved in politics cus of bernie, he is incredibly based for this aloneAnd although Bernie didn't have the courage to truly take on the political and corporate establishment despite having the chance to do so, he's definitely inspired lot of young people to become politically active, made people aware of issues that are now mainstream whereas without his run, would still be largely ignored. And that leftist policies are common sense and not something to be scared of like how the corporate shills make them out to be. HoloisHolo said: chomsky's politics are a relic from the past he is like a museum piece. not ina bad way though! in a "woahhh someone is old enough to remember that period of revolutionary trade unionism" wayChomsky definitely isn't a communist, but describes himself as "Anarcho-syndicalist and libertarian socialist" and even once described himself as a conservative...from the perspective of those during the age of enlightenment in Scotland. This was when he was asked if he could go back in time to any period, and he chose that period of time. orwell is definitely what lenin would call an "adventurist", literally joins the poum due to random chance lmao, homage to catalonia is gr8 though. holo i give ur a list a yeah i dont recognize kollontai or herzan or... well ok i recognize the face of plekhanov for some reason but idk who tf he is, so thats a 6/9 known and 6/6 liked orange i give ur list a 8/9 known (no idea who rou reylonds is) and 7/8 liked (i read like 2/3rd of peoples history of the united states recently and dropped it, it is so dull while also not in depth. i blame prashad for naming "people's history of the third world" after it while writing a book way cleaner and focused) |
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| @rian9x Yeah Bernie has been influential in that way. Thing is he wasn't even going to run originally, but only did cause Elizabeth Warren didn't run. Gosh she sucks. Bernie is even known to certain extent outside of America too since people who follow American politics are like, why the fuck didn't this guy win? lol Are you talking about Chomsky in general or peak Chomsky vs Chomsky in his 80's and 90's. Alexandra Kollontai is a badass. Involved in the Revolution, High ranking member in Lenin's government, fought for women's rights, and the breakaway from traditions and state when it comes to marriages, romance, etc. Plekhanov was the one of the first to openly declare as a Marxist in Russia. And first prominent Marxist in Russia Herzen was maybe a bit out there lol, but he was a fighter in his writings. And his autobiography is the best insight to Russia during his time in the 1800's |
HoloisHolo said: warren is bernie for people who are media brainwashedYeah Bernie has been influential in that way. Thing is he wasn't even going to run originally, but only did cause Elizabeth Warren didn't run. Gosh she sucks. Bernie is even known to certain extent outside of America too since people who follow American politics are like, why the fuck didn't this guy win? lol Are you talking about Chomsky in general or peak Chomsky vs Chomsky in his 80's and 90's. lol i am specificially thinking of the interview or somethign on youtube where he explains his politics. i havent actually read chomsky i have 2 pictures of chomsky in my head, the 1 on random youtube vids and the 1 who wrote whatever cool books about media that ive read the summaries of on wikipedia. maybe a third which is the chimpsky i keep on typing instead of his name for some reason and having to fix. |
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rian9x said: HoloisHolo said: warren is bernie for people who are media brainwashedYeah Bernie has been influential in that way. Thing is he wasn't even going to run originally, but only did cause Elizabeth Warren didn't run. Gosh she sucks. Bernie is even known to certain extent outside of America too since people who follow American politics are like, why the fuck didn't this guy win? lol Are you talking about Chomsky in general or peak Chomsky vs Chomsky in his 80's and 90's. lol i am specificially thinking of the interview or somethign on youtube where he explains his politics. i havent actually read chomsky i have 2 pictures of chomsky in my head, the 1 on random youtube vids and the 1 who wrote whatever cool books about media that ive read the summaries of on wikipedia. maybe a third which is the chimpsky i keep on typing instead of his name for some reason and having to fix. Exactly she's an idiot. She has zero political instincts, actually thought that if she endorsed Hillary that she would be chosen as her VP. And in 2020 intentionally stayed in the race to get the idiot voters who are split between Bernie and Warren. Bernie should've been fuck you fuck you fuck you and especially fuck you, we're taking everyone down. But instead he was like that shy flower meme. Or that cute real dog alongside the fake angry wolf meme. Oh ok haha. But still 93 years old and still teaching, studying what's going on in the world, and doing interviews. That's pretty amazing. Is the book you're talking about Manufacturing Consent? Fun fact, there was a chimp named Nim Chimpsky (a play on his name) at whichever university it was, to study animal language acquisition. I'm not one of those Chomsky fans who think his word is gospel and a staunch defender. Because even Chomsky himself would be like wtf you doing that for lol. But I like Chomsky cause he brings awareness the shit the US does abroad and the corrupt corporate power, and he explains them in a way where it's easy for everyone to understand, and I like his use of the word shenanigans lol. Of course his main field is actually linguistics, but I know nothing about that, I tried reading one of his linguistic books and I'm like I have no idea or interest in this field lol. The only linguistics I like and know, are Holo's Superior Linguistic Skills :D |
| @HoloisHolo ya manufacturing consent is the 1 i will talk about the points from it to ppl even though i just read the wiki page (this is me on a lot of books tbh). i have huge respect for any1 that actually tries to make things understandable. by this i mean i am now refusing to read anyone who doesnt. which rules out like 90% of the academic nonsense that nerd leftists like to talk about 1 of my classmates when i was studying computer science in college swears chomsky came up in something about linguistics in a class on theoretical foundations of programming languages or something. but i must have not been paying attention at all. stil got an A in that class lmao on the subject of bernie i feel like bernie is entirely a case of his influence on the political climate being way the heck better than his own politics probably are. |
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rian9x said: @HoloisHolo ya manufacturing consent is the 1 i will talk about the points from it to ppl even though i just read the wiki page (this is me on a lot of books tbh). i have huge respect for any1 that actually tries to make things understandable. by this i mean i am now refusing to read anyone who doesnt. which rules out like 90% of the academic nonsense that nerd leftists like to talk about 1 of my classmates when i was studying computer science in college swears chomsky came up in something about linguistics in a class on theoretical foundations of programming languages or something. but i must have not been paying attention at all. stil got an A in that class lmao on the subject of bernie i feel like bernie is entirely a case of his influence on the political climate being way the heck better than his own politics probably are. Exactly, if you're writing a book criticizing The US, US foreign policy, corporate power, other countries and their nonsense, etc. You need to give people a basic idea of geopolitics, and power structure of governments, that it's corporations that are on top and come first (yes I know that sounds sexual XD). Like I can say anything to you or anyone else who's on the left, and they know what I mean, I don't have to explain any context, but to someone who isn't aware, it's very difficult and it would take a long explanation for them to get what you actually mean. Yes Chomsky did actually, I'm not sure how though since I know nothing about linguistics or very much about programming. But yes I read he did. That's pretty cool Bernie, and Trump too, did both run at the right time for sure, in order for them to have success and influence. I feel Bernie, since he's been around for so long, he's part of the system now, young Bernie would've fought way more to win, than old Bernie just playing it out if I win I win, if I don't I don't. And him as president would not be a danger like it is with any of the other psychopaths who run for president. I never used to think age limits were needed for political office because you look at Bernie and it's like why? But when you look at Pelosi, Biden and all the other really old politicians just making easy money, they're just doing it for themselves, for the easy cash and to keep that social status and those connections so they can maintain a lavish style of fancy parties and what have you. Taking spots from new people because they're lucky they're in an area that votes for them. Pelosi is in rich wine mom country is she not? lol |
HoloisHolo said: i am against age limits or term limits we must install lenin as president of the united states for liferian9x said: @HoloisHolo ya manufacturing consent is the 1 i will talk about the points from it to ppl even though i just read the wiki page (this is me on a lot of books tbh). i have huge respect for any1 that actually tries to make things understandable. by this i mean i am now refusing to read anyone who doesnt. which rules out like 90% of the academic nonsense that nerd leftists like to talk about 1 of my classmates when i was studying computer science in college swears chomsky came up in something about linguistics in a class on theoretical foundations of programming languages or something. but i must have not been paying attention at all. stil got an A in that class lmao on the subject of bernie i feel like bernie is entirely a case of his influence on the political climate being way the heck better than his own politics probably are. Exactly, if you're writing a book criticizing The US, US foreign policy, corporate power, other countries and their nonsense, etc. You need to give people a basic idea of geopolitics, and power structure of governments, that it's corporations that are on top and come first (yes I know that sounds sexual XD). Like I can say anything to you or anyone else who's on the left, and they know what I mean, I don't have to explain any context, but to someone who isn't aware, it's very difficult and it would take a long explanation for them to get what you actually mean. Yes Chomsky did actually, I'm not sure how though since I know nothing about linguistics or very much about programming. But yes I read he did. That's pretty cool Bernie, and Trump too, did both run at the right time for sure, in order for them to have success and influence. I feel Bernie, since he's been around for so long, he's part of the system now, young Bernie would've fought way more to win, than old Bernie just playing it out if I win I win, if I don't I don't. And him as president would not be a danger like it is with any of the other psychopaths who run for president. I never used to think age limits were needed for political office because you look at Bernie and it's like why? But when you look at Pelosi, Biden and all the other really old politicians just making easy money, they're just doing it for themselves, for the easy cash and to keep that social status and those connections so they can maintain a lavish style of fancy parties and what have you. Taking spots from new people because they're lucky they're in an area that votes for them. Pelosi is in rich wine mom country is she not? lol actually ive read mao was a mess before he died, though i also havent read him doing anything seriously unreasonable in that period. other than literally never going outside. mao just became a hiki neet |
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| @rian9x Yes he should haha  But it's also hard to support no age limits and term at the same time when you have assholes in office for decades to make that easy money to feed their wealth addiction, and support their lavish lifestyles That's not surprising given he would've been in his 80's. |
HoloisHolo said: that was in fact the exact gif i was thinking of@rian9x Yes he should haha But it's also hard to support no age limits and term at the same time when you have assholes in office for decades to make that easy money to feed their wealth addiction, and support their lavish lifestyles That's not surprising given he would've been in his 80's. the issue is more the lack of accountability of the political apparatus to the workng class no term limits works great if theres a strong political apparatus of the working class that can keep it in check and remove anyone from power who isnt doing a good job political power must be truly democratic and spread across the working class. but not in a dysfunctional cultural revolution way! in a way thats actually sustainable lol |
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