It is not as good as the original steins gate but the character writing is still there for sure. In some aspects I would argue it's even stronger than in the first one, atleast I believe the characters depicted here are more complex to keep writing in a way that doesn't feel trauma pornish, which this show does well IMO. I believe, as with many things people are disappointed by, that many who don't like it that much were simply looking for something else which is understandable except this often leads to unfair criticism of the material itself.
Now, I would like to mention that I do think that the quality of the visual novel is actually worse than the anime, atleast to a certain degree. Obviously it's longer and more fleshed out and due to the way sg0 works as a VN as opposed to sg VN there is a lot more cut content, some very interesting story lines as well. Some characters in the anime are lacking in development or story relevance due to this. But as VN adaptations go I believe it is up there with some of the best. It's not the same for the original sg because that VN in different in that there is one ending that's clearly correct and the others are all obvious bad endings, and all also fairly short. For sg0 there is no definitive bad endings and these endings are entire routes which you would start noticing differences from by like episode 8-12 in the anime and by the end would be entirely different, which leads me to the reason I believe that the anime is the better experience. For sg0 the endings are all written by different people, and IMO this is very noticeable. The quality differs immensly and it feels unpolished. The anime ending is actually anime original in some sense, it feels like a sort of 'true ending' to the visual novel which also has some endings which are considered more 'true' than others. I believe it is simply better since, to me, it make more narrative sense and is more coherent. But obviously to each their own. It's also been quite a while since I played the VN.
All in all I would say watch it and form your own opinion. It will be an interesting experience regardless. And I think the AI aspect is pretty interesting in context with the current AI boom.
ReXiRa said: The egoistic poriomania ova and the déja vu movie was made without 0 in mind because they retconned some stuff in 0 (most notably, suzuha's future mom used to be someone they met in the US that got retconned to Mayuri's friend)
Nothing was retconned. And the "those were made without 0 in mind" part is also false, that's only true for the OVA. When the movie was made, the original version of 0's story, the Epigraph Trilogy (a trilogy of light novels) already existed.
Yuki was not "a cosplay friend of Mayuri" in 0 as well. They meet her at Comima. The only retcon here is the design of how Yuki looks like, which is different in the OVA, but she looks the same in the movie and in 0.
ReXiRa said: 0 on the other hand, has multiple branches based on whether or not you use a particular feature in 0; but mostly branches at the start when you first decide whether or not to use said feature. The anime tries to adapt "both" of the timelines so you end up with a story that's neither one or the other, nor is it perfectly both at the same time so the pacing and the storylines would feel a bit more all over the place compared to the first entry.
Actually, no, the 0 anime isn't even an adaptation.
It's basically an additional route to the VN, showing the final Okabe's story, how that Okabe ended up in the true ending of the VN. The VN never showed that story. In the VN we are just observing different Okabes from different iterations, and then we are jumping to the final Okabe, who uses all the important iteration from the previously observed iterations to construct Operation Skuld.
ReXiRa said: If you ARE interested in watching 0, I would at the very least recommend watching the egoistic poriomania ova and the déja vu movie first (and ofc episode 23β) just because those 2 "extra" content will no longer be canon when you start watching 0, hence the term "retconned"
Both the OVA and the movie is canon, 0 doesn't have anything to do with their canonity. That's misinformation.
KuroiSeirei said: 1-Steins;Gate Episode 1-22
2- Steins;Gate Kyoukaimenjou no Missing Link(ep23B)
3- Steins;Gate 0
4- steins gate ova that is valentine ..... (2018)(optional but I suggest watching it as well since it is funny and wholesome)
5-Proceed back to Steins;Gate and continue
episodes 23-24
6-egoistic poriomania ova (2012)
7- deja vu movie (2013)
8-other remaining ovas for fun
And this is the shittiest possible order someone can experience Steins;Gate. This order doesn't even make sense. Just ingore this, OP...
don't mind him , I am not even sure he watched all the steins gate contents xd I have experienced this watch order and saw in on the forum from many people who says they have enjoyed it . If you do a research about watch order on the internet , at least %70 of the answers will be the same as mine.
@KuroiSeirei
This watch order is a variation of the canonical watch order. However it was started as more of a meme since it's incredibly stupid to watch it this way. It's confusing and unsatisfying. Neither the creators nor the story itself expects you to watch it this way. Also the ova and the movie are not canon. For anyone wanting to get into steins gate please for the love of god just watch the original series in it's entirety, than watch 23beta and after simply watch sg0. The movie is not canon and can be watched after finishing steins gate the original series at any time to avoid spoilers.
I was very impressed with how it completed the series. My enjoyment of the original was increased with how 0 ends. I don't think it is as well written overall, but the ending very much solves the puzzle completing steins;gate bringing together.
unnamedhuman said: The movie is not canon and can be watched after finishing steins gate the original series at any time to avoid spoilers.
The movie is canon. This "not canon" thing about the movie came from people who didn't have enough context to understand what is going on in it, and they believed it contradicts the lore (for many years, I also believed that). But this isn't true.
unnamedhuman said: The movie is not canon and can be watched after finishing steins gate the original series at any time to avoid spoilers.
The movie is canon. This "not canon" thing about the movie came from people who didn't have enough context to understand what is going on in it, and they believed it contradicts the lore (for many years, I also believed that). But this isn't true.
@SciADV_Maniac
It is not canon. It actually does contradict the lore and it is not written by the same people as the source material. Please give me the spurce that states it is canon if it actually is.....
@SciADV_Maniac
It is not canon. It actually does contradict the lore and it is not written by the same people as the source material. Please give me the spurce that states it is canon if it actually is.....
@unnamedhuman
It does not contradict the lore at all. Read the entire Science Adventure series please and listen the Posteriori Existence Drama CD.
It's a common misconception to believe it's not canon, because
Okabe is seemingly switching between 2 coexisting worldlines, but this is not true. It's just the misinterpretation of Suzuha.
Anonymous;Code:
Okabe is just drifting between the Load Region and the Load-Free Region. He is recognized as an error by GAIA, the Earth Simulator running the simulation in which SciADV takes place, because Okabe's brain (which is basically just digital data inside GAIA) is overloaded with memories (data) which are not in the Load Region anymore. Okabe is also unable to observe the Steins Gate worldline as real, thus he is also unable to be observed by the world. Everything which is not observed is put outside of the Load Region to save calculation power. GAIA tries to eliminate errors and reduce calculation power as much as possible, thus it just puts Okabe outside of the Load Region and into the Load Free region.
Also, this stuff is not even the first instance when it appears in the franchise (Variant Space Octet was the first) and it also appears in later entries in the series besides A;C, for example, in Occultic;Nine.
Not written by the same authors? The scenario was supervised by Hayashi Naotaka, the scenario writer of the VN, the base story was drafted by Chiyomaru Shikura, the creator of the Science Adventure franchise.
Not to mention that SciADV always had multiple writers besides Hayashi, so that doesn't mean anything. Chaos;Child's main scenario writer was Umehara Eiji for example.
@unnamedhuman
It does not contradict the lore at all. Read the entire Science Adventure series please and listen the Posteriori Existence Drama CD.
It's a common misconception to believe it's not canon, because
Okabe is seemingly switching between 2 coexisting worldlines, but this is not true. It's just the misinterpretation of Suzuha.
Anonymous;Code:
Okabe is just drifting between the Load Region and the Load-Free Region. He is recognized as an error by GAIA, the Earth Simulator running the simulation in which SciADV takes place, because Okabe's brain (which is basically just digital data inside GAIA) is overloaded with memories (data) which are not in the Load Region anymore. Okabe is also unable to observe the Steins Gate worldline as real, thus he is also unable to be observed by the world. Everything which is not observed is put outside of the Load Region to save calculation power. GAIA tries to eliminate errors and reduce calculation power as much as possible, thus it just puts Okabe outside of the Load Region and into the Load Free region.
Also, this stuff is not even the first instance when it appears in the franchise (Variant Space Octet was the first) and it also appears in later entries in the series besides A;C, for example, in Occultic;Nine.
Not written by the same authors? The scenario was supervised by Hayashi Naotaka, the scenario writer of the VN, the base story was drafted by Chiyomaru Shikura, the creator of the Science Adventure franchise.
Not to mention that SciADV always had multiple writers besides Hayashi, so that doesn't mean anything. Chaos;Child's main scenario writer was Umehara Eiji for example.
@SciADV_Maniac
I am sorry but I personally do not care for the overarching sciADV series lore. I never like those types of explanations because if you start looking at multiple stories it becomes really easy to make everything canon in some way, just look at fate for example. I am sure you are correct in some sense of the word. But in that sense the entirety of steins gate is somewhat ruined by the robotic notes elite, and can be fixed in the next game. It's a cop out and a lame one at that which makes all the actions and experiences of characters in the stories meaningless. In essence the steins gate movie is a decent movie, heavily inspired by the disappearance of haruhi suzumiya, and a product made to capitalize on the succes of the original series. I apparently do not know the sciADV lore like you do but I hope I have made myself clear as to why this is. Sure being selective with what should and shouldn't be considered canon is pretty arbitrary but when the creators do the same thing it's not something you can just ignore. To each their own but I do not consider the movie canon and to anyone who is looking at just the steins gate story it should not be considered as such.
@SciADV_Maniac
I am sorry but I personally do not care for the overarching sciADV series lore. I never like those types of explanations because if you start looking at multiple stories it becomes really easy to make everything canon in some way, just look at fate for example. I am sure you are correct in some sense of the word. But in that sense the entirety of steins gate is somewhat ruined by the robotic notes elite, and can be fixed in the next game. It's a cop out and a lame one at that which makes all the actions and experiences of characters in the stories meaningless. In essence the steins gate movie is a decent movie, heavily inspired by the disappearance of haruhi suzumiya, and a product made to capitalize on the succes of the original series. I apparently do not know the sciADV lore like you do but I hope I have made myself clear as to why this is. Sure being selective with what should and shouldn't be considered canon is pretty arbitrary but when the creators do the same thing it's not something you can just ignore. To each their own but I do not consider the movie canon and to anyone who is looking at just the steins gate story it should not be considered as such.
You claim you do not know SciADV lore, but on the other hand, you also claim Robotics;Notes ruined Steins;Gate? And that "it's a cop out and a lame one at that which makes all the actions and experiences of characters in the stories meaningless." Literally how? Elaborate please, I've seen nothing in Robotics;Notes which ruined Steins;Gate.
unnamedhuman said: I am sorry but I personally do not care for the overarching sciADV series lore. I never like those types of explanations because if you start looking at multiple stories it becomes really easy to make everything canon in some way, just look at fate for example
Each SciADV entries are using the exact same lore, just projected onto the "science" they are aiming at
unnamedhuman said: Sure being selective with what should and shouldn't be considered canon is pretty arbitrary but when the creators do the same thing it's not something you can just ignore.
Again, I can't follow you. The creators were never being selective on what is being canon or not. There was never any single official statement from Mages regarding the canonity of any title. Which means they are treating all of them canon.
Regarding the movie specifically, the creator of the franchise literally said not long ago that it was a story, he really wanted to make.
unnamedhuman said: To each their own but I do not consider the movie canon and to anyone who is looking at just the steins gate story it should not be considered as such.
Why? Even if you consume only the Steins;Gate part of SciADV, including everything, the movie makes perfect sense and does not contradict the lore.
You claim you do not know SciADV lore, but on the other hand, you also claim Robotics;Notes ruined Steins;Gate? And that "it's a cop out and a lame one at that which makes all the actions and experiences of characters in the stories meaningless." Literally how? Elaborate please, I've seen nothing in Robotics;Notes which ruined Steins;Gate.
unnamedhuman said: I am sorry but I personally do not care for the overarching sciADV series lore. I never like those types of explanations because if you start looking at multiple stories it becomes really easy to make everything canon in some way, just look at fate for example
Each SciADV entries are using the exact same lore, just projected onto the "science" they are aiming at
unnamedhuman said: Sure being selective with what should and shouldn't be considered canon is pretty arbitrary but when the creators do the same thing it's not something you can just ignore.
Again, I can't follow you. The creators were never being selective on what is being canon or not. There was never any single official statement from Mages regarding the canonity of any title. Which means they are treating all of them canon.
Regarding the movie specifically, the creator of the franchise literally said not long ago that it was a story, he really wanted to make.
unnamedhuman said: To each their own but I do not consider the movie canon and to anyone who is looking at just the steins gate story it should not be considered as such.
Why? Even if you consume only the Steins;Gate part of SciADV, including everything, the movie makes perfect sense and does not contradict the lore.
@SciADV_Maniac
I say I do not know sciADV lore as well as you not that I do not know it at all. I meant robotic notes dash not elite bit of confusion there, sorry about that. What I mean by the creators being selective in what is canon and what is not is that they are able to just 'write away' any plot issues by revealing some major part of the lore later on or just saying it was all a simulation. In that sense while everything may be canon you are still being selective about it. The stories initially weren't meant to be part of something bigger, this only came about later. I do not understand visual novel companies's obsession with connecting everything, but here we are. And I do not understand how the movie would be considered canon without your added context of sciADV lore. It directly contradicts the concept of worldlines and timetravel that is established in SG.
@SciADV_Maniac
I say I do not know sciADV lore as well as you not that I do not know it at all. I meant robotic notes dash not elite bit of confusion there, sorry about that. What I mean by the creators being selective in what is canon and what is not is that they are able to just 'write away' any plot issues by revealing some major part of the lore later on or just saying it was all a simulation. In that sense while everything may be canon you are still being selective about it. The stories initially weren't meant to be part of something bigger, this only came about later. I do not understand visual novel companies's obsession with connecting everything, but here we are. And I do not understand how the movie would be considered canon without your added context of sciADV lore. It directly contradicts the concept of worldlines and timetravel that is established in SG.
unnamedhuman said: I meant robotic notes dash not elite bit of confusion there, sorry about that
There is nothing in DaSH either which ruins S;G. Unless you meant that Daru who is still acting like a weird perv when he is 29 years old. But that's only his character, it doesn't ruin the story or the events of S;G
unnamedhuman said: The stories initially weren't meant to be part of something bigger
This is just literally not true, do your research. Have you even read any Science Adventure entry?
Chaos;Head Noah + Anonymous;Code:
The world layers literally mentioned in Noah (the very first entry), strongly hinting that this is just a simulation
There is also more stuff in the rest of the games but collecting all the hints would take a lot of time - i would probably need to re read everything again to notice everything.
They planned this series from the very beginning and they know what they were cooking. This isn't just some weird retcon.
Anonymous;Code
And the reveal is pretty more than "well it's just a simulation", as I explained
unnamedhuman said: And I do not understand how the movie would be considered canon without your added context of sciADV lore. It directly contradicts the concept of worldlines and timetravel that is established in SG.
Just listen the Posteriori Existence Drama CD, which clears the confusion about the movie. It's a Drama CD intended to be a supplementary material, you can find it on youtube. It explains the stuff without using any non-S;G concepts. The movie never contradicted S;G, just adds to it.