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plaguegreen said:
so troll = someone who thinks rape is bad


plaguegreen said:
@BilboBaggins365 also why the rant about feminism


If you don't want people to think you are trolling you shouldn't make comments like that. Just noting that yeah, feminism was in response to basically rape culture, common in many male dominated societies, many of which you can see today, isn't a "rant about feminism lol. You asked if cultures accept rape, and many are very enabling of it and other sexism. That is why woman's rights were very important.

plaguegreen said:
@BilboBaggins365 porn is bad too, that’s not what we’re talking about though. I’m saying a show fetishizing rape shouldn’t be as commonly accepted as it is.


Nah.. anyway was fun poking the bear. Though, I don't get what you get out of these rants... do you have masochistic tendencies lol?
@BilboBaggins365 so lemme get this. you support women’s rights and are advocating for them here while simultaneously defending a rape show?
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@BilboBaggins365 so lemme get this. you support women’s rights and are advocating for them here while simultaneously defending a rape show?
@plaguegreen ...Yeah last time I checked rape hentai isn't empowering the Taliban. Your average dude spiking girl's drinks gets off on the power they have over a living being, and you aren't going to get that from hentai. You realize the biggest consumers of this genre of smut are women right? Just because they like this in a vacuum doesn't mean they want to be sexually assaulted.

Hentai and drawn pornography will always be the most ethical form of it, and does allow for people to engage in activities that have a taboo vibe with literally no harm (literally almost all kink is based on something taboo). Even user made porn, can still impact an actual real life person psychologically (the need to keep their body hot for money), whereas this is all in a vacuum of the creator's imagination.

Also finally, do you think the fiction people engage in represents people's ethics? Don't tell me you are a guy who thinks all of 40ks fans are fascists, that Doom caused Columbine and metal is going to get your kids to worship Satan too......

Art allows us to engage in things, that we will never ever want to be in a position in, due to the thrill, novelty or the taboo aspect of it.
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@plaguegreen ...Yeah last time I checked rape hentai isn't empowering the Taliban. Your average dude spiking girl's drinks gets off on the power they have over a living being, and you aren't going to get that from hentai. You realize the biggest consumers of this genre of smut are women right? Just because they like this in a vacuum doesn't mean they want to be sexually assaulted.

Hentai and drawn pornography will always be the most ethical form of it, and does allow for people to engage in activities that have a taboo vibe with literally no harm (literally almost all kink is based on something taboo). Even user made porn, can still impact an actual real life person psychologically (the need to keep their body hot for money), whereas this is all in a vacuum of the creator's imagination.

Also finally, do you think the fiction people engage in represents people's ethics? Don't tell me you are a guy who thinks all of 40ks fans are fascists, that Doom caused Columbine and metal is going to get your kids to worship Satan too......

Art allows us to engage in things, that we will never ever want to be in a position in, due to the thrill, novelty or the taboo aspect of it.
@BilboBaggins365 okay so I’ll break this down

That “doom causing columbine” thing is insane comparing that to this, this is completely different. This is a show to promote rape culture. Doom was not glorifying shooting schools. This show is glorifying rape. There’s no jumping here, it’s just straight what the thing portrays.

Also with that “hentai is the ethical version” shit, with that same logic do you think loli is okay too?
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@BilboBaggins365 okay so I’ll break this down

That “doom causing columbine” thing is insane comparing that to this, this is completely different. This is a show to promote rape culture. Doom was not glorifying shooting schools. This show is glorifying rape. There’s no jumping here, it’s just straight what the thing portrays.

Also with that “hentai is the ethical version” shit, with that same logic do you think loli is okay too?
plaguegreen said:

That “doom causing columbine” thing is insane comparing that to this, this is completely different.

Prove it.
This is a show to promote rape culture.


A ton of woman made, and intended erotica, features creepy male characters that are controlling too. Are those works "promoting rape culture"? Do women want to be raped, if we go off the fact 62% of women have had a rape fantasy? It's erotica, it's fantasy, it often will not reflect our real desires.

The reason this media is controversial at all, is because it's consumers realize it's taboo, that it's fucked up. Most people who do any kink or BDSM stuff realize what they are often doing, if taken for real is abuse, or something else also not ethically good. It's not real though.

Also with that “hentai is the ethical version” shit, with that same logic do you think loli is okay too?


We are not getting into that lol. Personally, I don't care for it, and at this point I really don't care to talk about the ethical nature of it or the lack of it. Also it's not the same, as I think there is at least a real issue of moral harm, depending on where the artists are getting their inspiration. That isn't the case for simply writing and drawing a forced rape scene, which is hardly no different than directing some CNC play. The only actual moral harm, one could argue, is if you put a scene in your series, without content warnings. Everyone knows what Redo is, I mean I do and I haven't even watched it (which also is questionable why you even bothered watching this show lol)

And yeah, hentai, is more ethical. Even supposedly legal "ethical methods" of the sex industry, like legalized prostitution are full of abuse. I literally don't see how you couldn't argue drawn pornography isn't the safest sex industry by far, period out there.
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plaguegreen said:

That “doom causing columbine” thing is insane comparing that to this, this is completely different.

Prove it.
This is a show to promote rape culture.


A ton of woman made, and intended erotica, features creepy male characters that are controlling too. Are those works "promoting rape culture"? Do women want to be raped, if we go off the fact 62% of women have had a rape fantasy? It's erotica, it's fantasy, it often will not reflect our real desires.

The reason this media is controversial at all, is because it's consumers realize it's taboo, that it's fucked up. Most people who do any kink or BDSM stuff realize what they are often doing, if taken for real is abuse, or something else also not ethically good. It's not real though.

Also with that “hentai is the ethical version” shit, with that same logic do you think loli is okay too?


We are not getting into that lol. Personally, I don't care for it, and at this point I really don't care to talk about the ethical nature of it or the lack of it. Also it's not the same, as I think there is at least a real issue of moral harm, depending on where the artists are getting their inspiration. That isn't the case for simply writing and drawing a forced rape scene, which is hardly no different than directing some CNC play. The only actual moral harm, one could argue, is if you put a scene in your series, without content warnings. Everyone knows what Redo is, I mean I do and I haven't even watched it (which also is questionable why you even bothered watching this show lol)

And yeah, hentai, is more ethical. Even supposedly legal "ethical methods" of the sex industry, like legalized prostitution are full of abuse. I literally don't see how you couldn't argue drawn pornography isn't the safest sex industry by far, period out there.
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Alright.

I already explained how “doom causing columbine” is different because in doom your not shooting schools, ur fighting aliens who are trying to kill you. this is a really stupid hill to die on.

Where’d you get the 62% of woman have a rape fantasy from? And even if that’s true, there’s still 38% who I'm sure are disgusted by this. AND, again, even if the 62% thing is true, that doesn’t mean we should have full on rape be depicted in any type of pornography. CNC would furfill that.

You contradicted yourself. You said loli has real world implications and harms (and it does) but if we compare to this, wouldn’t that be the same for a show for rape?

CNC is very different from rape, don’t know why the fuck you said that

I agree hentai is the most ethical method of sex industry (that being said- still very unethical) but that doesn’t mean rape should be portrayed in it.
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Alright.

I already explained how “doom causing columbine” is different because in doom your not shooting schools, ur fighting aliens who are trying to kill you. this is a really stupid hill to die on.

Where’d you get the 62% of woman have a rape fantasy from? And even if that’s true, there’s still 38% who I'm sure are disgusted by this. AND, again, even if the 62% thing is true, that doesn’t mean we should have full on rape be depicted in any type of pornography. CNC would furfill that.

You contradicted yourself. You said loli has real world implications and harms (and it does) but if we compare to this, wouldn’t that be the same for a show for rape?

CNC is very different from rape, don’t know why the fuck you said that

I agree hentai is the most ethical method of sex industry (that being said- still very unethical) but that doesn’t mean rape should be portrayed in it.
@plaguegreen

You realize where the connection between Doom and Columbine comes from right?

https://doom.fandom.com/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

plaguegreen said:
Where’d you get the 62% of woman have a rape fantasy from?


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19085605/

plaguegreen said:
And even if that’s true, there’s still 38% who I'm sure are disgusted by this.


Sure they have the right to be.

plaguegreen said:
AND, again, even if the 62% thing is true, that doesn’t mean we should have full on rape be depicted in any type of pornography. CNC would furfill that.


..... You literally have more chance at actually harming someone doing that, then looking at rape hentai, frankly lol.

plaguegreen said:
CNC is very different from rape, don’t know why the fuck you said that


It's fantasy BDSM play, that is simulating forced sex with consent, just like this show is fantasy forced sex, with drawings. There is literally no difference as drawings are incapable of "providing consent". It is not very different. The difference between these two cases and you know the actual crime, is that no one's consent is being violated.

plaguegreen said:
I agree hentai is the most ethical method of sex industry (that being said- still very unethical) but that doesn’t mean rape should be portrayed in it.


Again based on what? You have given your personal moral judgments on the matter, that is it. Like I recently for Halloween, watched Re-Animator with friends, and that film does actually have a very uncomfortable rape scene (largely I find live action depictions actually uncomfortable unlike hentai), that did bother me. It's still the director's right to include it, we can debate whether it's a useful plot related decision, whether this does support problematic narratives, however regardless, despite disliking that scene, it has a right to exist.

You don't have a right to say "shouldn't" unless you can prove some overt harm, or infringement of freedom, body or autonomy caused by this art. As otherwise, this is just your own moral proclivities, which again matter as much as every other opinion on this show or it's content.
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