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Jan 29, 2012 11:24 AM
#1
| "Don't you think unrequited love that lasts forever is happier than mutual love?" Hitagi Senjougahara made a deal with the gods with her life in order to protect Koyomi Araragi. As winter holidays approach with the promised "destined day", she chose the darkest and the worst option... Taken from the Bakemonogatari wiki- http://bakemonogatari.wikia.com/wiki/Koimonogatari I've scene this exact publishers summary in other places also. Also for some reasons this novel is giving off heartbreak vibes; any thoughts? |
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Jan 30, 2012 5:30 AM
#2
| Well I'm not going to spoil anything, but just point out that it isn't the last novel in the series but that there are 3 more releases upcoming, so this isn't really the ending. ^_^ (but you probably knew that already) |
yakisobapanJan 30, 2012 5:35 AM
Jan 30, 2012 5:56 AM
#3
| Ya i knew; i think the last one is called Koyomi's book or something similar; but since this is called "Hitagi's end" i figured it was the end of the character Hitagi and the rest wouldn't be about her since she wasn't involved in all the novels anyway (or not simply not a lot, since many of her roles are "supporting".) So do you think she will featured in the following three novels? or is that alone a spoiler? well i guess just answering that could spoil especially with the summary as it is; so how about this, does this novel for what you know of it set a bad or good feeling going into the next 3? like bittersweet, bitter, happy, etc. |
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Jan 30, 2012 2:31 PM
#4
| I see; looking at the title that way does makes sense. Ya i figured that this novel wasn't stand alone since it seems that Nisemonogatari which is airing now is slow paced because it builds the characters for later novels; or at least that's how i took it. I kinda got spoiled by someone else which is part of the reason i posted this; and it was lame because he only told me what appears to be a darker part of the novel and nothing else so i was wondering if you could confirm it for me since i was already "spoiled" on it is it true that Hitagi prostitutes herself to hire Kaiki to save Araragi from Nadeko? or does she just bluff it? or is this just my friend pulling my leg. Also one more thing since this has been bothering me and a yes/no answer would make me feel a lot better about the wait since i can't find a translation so i can't read it myself, even if its a bit of a spoiler. Do Araragi and Hitagi end up together? because the summary doesn't sound promising, and if what i was "spoiled" about was true then I'm assuming the character who had it bitter was Hitagi... |
InfiniteDestinyJan 30, 2012 2:34 PM
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Jan 31, 2012 9:17 PM
#5
Charliehsv said: As for your first question... Lol, you shouldn't ever trust your friend again. No she doesn't prosititute herself. While trying to convince and hire Kaiki who is reluctant to give her a price(and accept the request), she just said that as long as she gets a specified sum from him that she'll definitely pay it until the set deadline, and that she'd be even willing to sell her body in order to achieve that. Kaiki splashing the cofee he was drinking over her shows how much he thinks of that proposal....so no prostitution here. Wow... but at least in this case its good that it was wrong, i was hoping he was messing with me since its way better than the alternative. it would have seriously been depressing if it went down like that,i don't particularly mind bittersweet endings (depending if it fits the show and such) but I'm not a fan of those types of plot twists, so its a relief that the scenario occurred the way you said; so I'm guessing Kaiki isn't as bad as he seems (in Nisemonogatari) if he reacted like that, with how his character is portrayed i would have imagined he wouldn't care Charliehsv said: About Araragi/Senjougahara. Yup, they do. It actually gets spoiled in Hanamonogatari that they have an happy end and it isn't Senjougahara whose ending is bitter in Koimonogatari. That alone makes me really want to read this novel :) That's really good considering everything Senjougahara went through and the fact they make a good couple; its really nice that they end up together and the story didn't go to heartbreak mode. So Hanamonogatari is a prequel novel, and it was spoiled even before this novel that they would get a happy end together? Btw, i was wondering how you read the novels, i can't find an English translation except for Bakemongatari, Kizumonogatari, and the start of Nisemonogatari on Baka Tsuki, can you read Japanese? |
InfiniteDestinyJan 31, 2012 9:33 PM
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Feb 3, 2012 1:35 AM
#6
Charliehsv said: You should give your friend some scolding for giving you such horrible misinformation. :P And yes, you're in for some interesting development in regards to Kaiki. He's pretty awesome actually. Ya...i was down right shocked when he told me; got me kind of depressed so thanks again for clearing it up :) That's rather interesting considering he looks like walking death in Nisemonogatari,; but i always assumed there was more to him, particularly in connection to Kanbaru since he was standing outside her house. Charliehsv said: Hanamonogatari Hanamonogatari isn't a prequel, chronologically it's actually a few months after Koimonogatari. Nishio has a habit of either hinting at events from other novels and such. In the case of Hanamonogatari you get above mentioned info through a conversation beteen Kanbaru and Araragi. I buy the original and read the books in Japanese :). The order the series order really confuses me, but its interesting that they aren't chronically in order; so are there are other novels which came out before but are after the events in this novel? or rather what is the "chronically order" of the novels? That's amazing that you can read Japanese, I've always wanted to learn but right now i can only speak English and Spanish, how many languages do you know? |
InfiniteDestinyFeb 3, 2012 1:38 AM
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Feb 19, 2012 7:58 AM
#7
| This will be AWESOME if animated. Too bad I can't read Japanese. |
balot55Feb 19, 2012 8:02 AM
Feb 19, 2012 4:51 PM
#8
Mar 1, 2012 1:33 AM
#9
| I was worried too man. haha. I want to learn Japanese and read the whole series. haha |
Apr 23, 2012 2:51 PM
#10
sfrea said: Thank YOU I was so worried when I saw "Hitagi end" I was seriously about to cry :) That explains alot and Im happy again yay. :D This. |
May 9, 2012 9:55 PM
#11
| Aren't too many of you giving out too much spoiler by saying I WAS WORRIED! Although, I must admit, I was also relieved. |
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May 30, 2012 1:34 PM
#12
InfiniteDestiny said: I see; looking at the title that way does makes sense. Ya i figured that this novel wasn't stand alone since it seems that Nisemonogatari which is airing now is slow paced because it builds the characters for later novels; or at least that's how i took it. I kinda got spoiled by someone else which is part of the reason i posted this; and it was lame because he only told me what appears to be a darker part of the novel and nothing else so i was wondering if you could confirm it for me since i was already "spoiled" on it is it true that Hitagi prostitutes herself to hire Kaiki to save Araragi from Nadeko? or does she just bluff it? or is this just my friend pulling my leg. Also one more thing since this has been bothering me and a yes/no answer would make me feel a lot better about the wait since i can't find a translation so i can't read it myself, even if its a bit of a spoiler. Do Araragi and Hitagi end up together? because the summary doesn't sound promising, and if what i was "spoiled" about was true then I'm assuming the character who had it bitter was Hitagi... You almost gave me a heart attack! I hate that kinda stuff, and monogatari is my favourite series after DBZ. |
Jun 4, 2012 10:20 AM
#13
Jun 20, 2012 2:14 PM
#14
| guessing this series is only in Japanese correct? cuz i cant find it translated any where and sorta maken me cry a little cuz i cant read Japanese T_T |
Sep 8, 2012 4:57 AM
#15
Charliehsv said: InfiniteDestiny said: is it true that Hitagi prostitutes herself to hire Kaiki to save Araragi from Nadeko? or does she just bluff it? or is this just my friend pulling my leg. As for your first question... Lol, you shouldn't ever trust your friend again. No she doesn't prosititute herself. While trying to convince and hire Kaiki who is reluctant to give her a price(and accept the request), she just said that as long as she gets a specified sum from him that she'll definitely pay it until the set deadline, and that she'd be even willing to sell her body in order to achieve that. Kaiki splashing the cofee he was drinking over her shows how much he thinks of that proposal....so no prostitution here. InfiniteDestiny said: Do Araragi and Hitagi end up together? because the summary doesn't sound promising, and if what i was "spoiled" about was true then I'm assuming the character who had it bitter was Hitagi... About Araragi/Senjougahara. Yup, they do. It actually gets spoiled in Hanamonogatari that they have an happy end and it isn't Senjougahara whose ending is bitter in Koimonogatari. By mistake i read somewhere a situation similar to death of Hitagi n the bad ending ,n googling it got here , nw i havent read any novels n i think i wont ever as i get more happiness in watching the actual anime made out of it . Thanx Charliehsv , u have lifted a very big stone stone frm my heart , man i wud have been depressed for days had that shit been true :D |
Sep 16, 2012 9:12 PM
#16
| Thank God for this thread... I've been worried about this part.. and is it true that they plan to animate all of the novels of the monogatari series??? I wish it is... monogatari series is currently my favorite... :) |
Jan 1, 2013 5:17 PM
#17
Jan 30, 2013 4:59 PM
#18
| The thing I want to make sure is that.. In Hanamonogatari, which deals with the time frame when 'everything' has ended + graduation of Hitagi-sama and Aryaryagi, they were still meeting each other + Kaiki was fine too. |
Jan 31, 2013 12:47 AM
#19
| I wish they'd focus less on fan service though.. I believe Nekomonogatari and Nisemonogatari are just riding the wave of the awesome Bakemogatari but with a lot more of ecchi scenes. It's not that I hate ecchi and stuff but I believe a good anime doesn't need excessive ecchi to be great unless it is part of the plot. Bakemono had just the right amount of fan service IMO. |
Aug 5, 2013 1:04 PM
#20
| I was also about to cry then I finally searched for it. *sigh of relief* Thanks bro. T___T |
Aug 22, 2013 6:35 PM
#21
| my friends told me monogatari series 2nd season will end with bad ending. reading this thread makes me sense. i'm the one of hitagi's fan too, so i was shocked to hear this one. thx for giving a little spoiler. :'((( |
| i lack on english but, i want to speak! |
Aug 25, 2013 9:52 PM
#22
annov said: my friends told me monogatari series 2nd season will end with bad ending. reading this thread makes me sense. i'm the one of hitagi's fan too, so i was shocked to hear this one. thx for giving a little spoiler. :'((( No. Do not trust your friend unless he read all the novels. |
Aug 26, 2013 6:45 PM
#23
| Thank God there's a good ending. The more I re-watch the anime the more I get attached to the characters. Especially Shinobu, Hitagi, and Koyomi. Given the previous spoilers from other threads, it will be fantastic and amazing if the author pulls a good ending off without killing anybody. That's my hope! |
Aug 26, 2013 8:15 PM
#24
Soulbond said: Thank God there's a good ending. The more I re-watch the anime the more I get attached to the characters. Especially Shinobu, Hitagi, and Koyomi. Given the previous spoilers from other threads, it will be fantastic and amazing if the author pulls a good ending off without killing anybody. That's my hope! Well, I did not exactly read other works from Nisio though but given the point that he did killed off his characters whenever needed (after watching Katanagatari), you cannot just predict the real ending as he will probably put some twist to the story climax. As for bitter end, happy end, and any other ends, well, if you are looking at the perspective of Araragi, it is surely a good ending to him, but if you are looking from other characters' point of view, the ending can be define with different kind of mixed feelings. |
Aug 31, 2013 7:53 AM
#25
Tayau said: aceoflife said: Thanks for all the information, really want to read the novel! If Hitagi is gone or something bad happen to AraragixHitagi then I'll remove all of those from my fav Well, really this is the first time I love a Tsundere, so, ... Well prepare yourself because... There's no way Hitagi can stay with him forever, and she needs to think about this carefully. The harem that Isiin placed out is much more than just "choosing the right girl". To Araragi, Hitagi is his lover but she won't live as long as him and she may not necessarily keep loving him the same way shinobu will for example. There are already hints that Hitagi will eventually break up with him, considering the way things are headed with the final novels. Of course, this is all just speculation. Can someone explain this? I thought it was spoiled that Hitagi do stay with Koyomi? If someone can spoil the whole entire Hitagi End I would love that haha. To be honest, I can't see Hitagi breaking up with Koyomi. It doesn't seem like her character to do so. |
Aug 31, 2013 8:10 AM
#26
| Also, the summary of Hitagi End states that she made a deal with the gods to protect Koyomi. Not loving him would kind of make that harder wouldn't it |
Aug 31, 2013 12:08 PM
#27
Soulbond said: Can someone explain this? I thought it was spoiled that Hitagi do stay with Koyomi? If someone can spoil the whole entire Hitagi End I would love that haha. To be honest, I can't see Hitagi breaking up with Koyomi. It doesn't seem like her character to do so. He said that it is his own speculation, based on reasoning he made after reading the latest novel, tsuki and koyomimonogatari. Though I'm in a way of agreeing with his point. Hitagi End (Spoiler ahead, read by your own risk) Continuing arc from Otorimonogatari; -Nadeko becomes a snake god out of jealousy -She swears to kill Araragi and Senjougahara by the start of spring season (also new school term for japan schools) -Senjougahara used all of her money to hire Kaiki, her sworn arch-rival to con Nadeko (without Araragi knowing this). -Kaiki took upon the request. -Kaiki went up to the shrine to look for Nadeko. -Kaiki 'friended' Nadeko as his strategy of conning her. -Kaiki went to Sengoku's resident to investigate Nadeko's matter. -Kaiki and Senjougahara went for a late dinner, with Kaiki being concious of someone tailing him, and he invited her for the dinner to tell her that. -Kaiki somehow unconciously badmouthed Araragi and Gaharasan relationship. -Gaharasan cried in the toilet because of that. It shows that she's truly care for Araragi and their relationship. -Kaiki went up to the shrine again, this time to end his job. -He lied to Nadeko, telling her that both Araragi and Gaharasan had died in an accident before she (Nadeko) could kill them by herself. -Nadeko raged. She knows that Kaiki is lying to her. -Nadeko started going brutal on Kaiki. -Kaiki told Nadeko that he knows her secret that even Araragi didn't have a clue at all (you guess, it's pretty big) -Nadeko went full retard and continue going brutal on Kaiki until he cannot even stand on his knees anymore. -Araragi shows up. -Nadeko defeated. -Kaiki told Araragi to take her home and stay away from her until she's eventually forgets all about him. -Araragi did as told. -Unfortunate stuff happened to Kaiki again on his way back to Kyoto (where he lives now) -The end Basically the story is all about Gahara-san requesting Kaiki to con Nadeko and he did it (in some way, he did succeed). So, in the end, Senjougahara do stay with Araragi. What Tayau mentioned is his view after he read tsuki and koyomimonogatari, not koi. The guessing is Araragi existence is cut off by the end of koyomimonogatari and Tayau guessing that Senjougahara and Shinobu are the only Araragi harem's member that are able to save him. If so, Senjougahara might lose her life or something similar to her relation with Araragi could not last longer than they (and us) thought. Also, Araragi once told to Shinobu (in Kabuki, apparently they cut this cool line in the anime) that he choose to die with her when the time has come, though he said that he really love Senjougahara. In the end, if Senjougahara do stay with him, she probably cannot die along with him as he is still immortal at one point. Sorry for my messed up English though. |
yukaru00Aug 31, 2013 12:14 PM
Sep 1, 2013 12:25 AM
#28
| Kabukimonogatari anime is just too rush for me. Almost those interesting parts are like non-existence. If Akiyuki cuts anymore stuff from chapter 29, there's no helping it. It just suck and not as I expected at all. |
Sep 1, 2013 7:16 AM
#29
| Ok thank you so much. But there's one thing I don't get. Was the spoiler in Hanamonogatari after the third season? I know tsuki and koyomimonogatari are both the fianl season, but if Hana's spoiler is after the final season, then that means the seires will end with Hitagi and Koyomi happily ever after. I could see the author killing off Shinobu. He better not give this series a bad ending. I'd rage all day long |
Sep 1, 2013 9:32 AM
#30
Soulbond said: Ok thank you so much. But there's one thing I don't get. Was the spoiler in Hanamonogatari after the third season? I know tsuki and koyomimonogatari are both the fianl season, but if Hana's spoiler is after the final season, then that means the seires will end with Hitagi and Koyomi happily ever after. I could see the author killing off Shinobu. He better not give this series a bad ending. I'd rage all day long Hanamonogatari is still considered as the Second Season installment. It is not a spoiler. It is just that according to the timeline and event sequence, the story should be lined up after Tsuki and the last parts of Koyomimonogatari (and also Nisio's way of writing the series). As speculated (and according to some information on Ougi Formula of Owarimonogatari), Hana is still lined up before Owarimonogatari event, so, despite the advanced time gap, the plot written for it is basically telling the readers of some future event that will somehow lead to the beginning of Owarimonogatari event. Nothing more. ps: I have yet to read Hana, this is based on some reviews made by some bloggers. |
Sep 1, 2013 10:36 AM
#31
| If Hanamonogatari is after Tsuki and Koyo, but before Owari, then that means Hitagi and Koyomi will be together when facing the events in Ougi Dark. Atleast there's hope that the series will be a good ending. And haha yea I havent read any of the books, I only research and read summaries of most of them. I've read theories of the ending by some other people. I was wondering if you had any predictions/speculations for the end of the Monogatari series? |
Sep 1, 2013 11:17 AM
#32
| If Hitagi does NOT end up with Koyomi in the end then I will rage quit instantly. I can't fathom any other ending. As far as I can gather from this thread....it seems to be going well. For that I am grateful. After all....I watch the series PURELY FOR HITAGI. Thank You All. |
Sep 1, 2013 11:42 AM
#33
Soulbond said: If Hanamonogatari is after Tsuki and Koyo, but before Owari, then that means Hitagi and Koyomi will be together when facing the events in Ougi Dark. Atleast there's hope that the series will be a good ending. And haha yea I havent read any of the books, I only research and read summaries of most of them. I've read theories of the ending by some other people. I was wondering if you had any predictions/speculations for the end of the Monogatari series? Predictions... hmm... it is hard to predict the ending since this is Nisio we were talking about. He loves to twist his stories. All I can predict is the revival of the other demon blade "yumewatari" to revive Araragi; Shinobu, Hitagi, and Tsubasa work together or alone by themselves to fight Ougi or Gaen--It is still unclear whether the mastermind behind all the kaii phenomenons is Ougi or Gaen. Oshino Meme will definitely shows up to save the day, and there might be one very important character will be killed off by Nisio. I predict it'll be whether Shinobu or Gahara-san. I'm sucj at predicting stuff...haha. Maybe I'll try to predict more after I have finish reading Koyomimonogatari. |
Sep 1, 2013 2:00 PM
#34
| For the fans'' sake, he better give it a good ending. |
Sep 1, 2013 2:10 PM
#35
Soulbond said: For the fans'' sake, he better give it a good ending. You at least should watch or read Katanagatari or Medaka Box. You'll get the idea. |
Sep 2, 2013 6:32 PM
#36
Yup, they do. It actually gets spoiled in Hanamonogatari that they have an happy end and it isn't Senjougahara whose ending is bitter in Koimonogatari. Are you saying this is a lie?! |
GrouchioSep 2, 2013 6:39 PM
Sep 2, 2013 9:34 PM
#37
| no no Hanamonogatari is after the first two chapters of the final season. But there is still two more chapters after those in the final season. But I'm going to be optimistic and call a happy ending. Any unnecessary plot twists for a mind blowing ending would probably disappoint a huge portion of the fans |
Sep 7, 2013 8:50 AM
#38
| Latest episode did not disappoint much but still, the head patting and Kissshot look supposedly much more emotional and vulnerable... |
Sep 14, 2013 3:31 PM
#39
| Araragi is immortal, so he can't grow old with Hitagi. My question: isn't there any way to make Araragi human again? Or, if this happens, Shinobu will cease to exist? Note: I have a feeling that this has been already explained in the anime, but i;m not sure, so sorry if i'm asking an already answered quesion. |
Sep 14, 2013 3:51 PM
#40
| Or what if Hitagi becomes immortal/vampire herself? Possible climax of awesome? |
Sep 14, 2013 5:35 PM
#41
| That would be truly epic... and astonishing. Also, Araragi will become human again if Shinobu dies.. or when their connection cease to exist patlagik. |
Sep 16, 2013 11:17 AM
#42
patlagik said: Araragi is immortal, so he can't grow old with Hitagi. My question: isn't there any way to make Araragi human again? Or, if this happens, Shinobu will cease to exist? Note: I have a feeling that this has been already explained in the anime, but i;m not sure, so sorry if i'm asking an already answered quesion. There is a way to make Araragi becomes a normal human again, this has been explained in Tsukimonogatari. Whether Shinobu dies or not if Araragi turns into a normal human back, I'll leave it to those who have read Tsuki to answer. |
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