| Short answer: yes. Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Only way it would have been worse is if he also raped her... which I think he did. |
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| he was never a boyfriend though lol didnt he trick the girl into thinking he was |
| save all the cute girls from ntr manga |
| He's #1? He's creepy and all, but I don't think he deserves to be the worst. |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Trust me there's A LOT more people worse than him.. |
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tsubasalover said: He's #1? He's creepy and all, but I don't think he deserves to be the worst. mistress_kisara said: Trust me there's A LOT more people worse than him.. I totally agree with you! Just comparing him with the other guys on the list makes me go YOU SERIOUS? It makes me wonder if they'll add Ukyou there once his route progresses. LOL! xD |
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| Toma went from being the best guy to the worst guy in one episode. He's not romantic, he's creepy, he's irrational, he's a stalker, and he's just batshit insane. I'm not saying he's the worst, but name someone worse. Makoto from School Days. At least he fucked the girls with their consent >> |
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mizuharamitzu said: tsubasalover said: He's #1? He's creepy and all, but I don't think he deserves to be the worst. mistress_kisara said: Trust me there's A LOT more people worse than him.. I totally agree with you! Just comparing him with the other guys on the list makes me go YOU SERIOUS? It makes me wonder if they'll add Ukyou there once his route progresses. LOL! xD No. Ukyo would probably in the "best boyfriend" category :D |
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| Every main guy in the anime is considered creepy or in the similar sense for me, but from good sense (caring about the heroine), anyway. Edit: Except for Kent, who is in slightly different category. |
tsubasaloverMar 11, 2013 5:47 PM
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mistress_kisara said: No. Ukyo would probably in the "best boyfriend" category :D LOL! I totally agree! tsubasalover said: Every main guy in the anime is considered creepy or in the similar sense for me, but from good sense (caring about the heroine), anyway. Edit: Except for Kent, who is in slightly different category. I think that's what makes Kent so appealing for me. His my second fav after Ukyou. :) Somehow, Toma is my third favorite though. :D |
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tsubasalover said: He's #1? He's creepy and all, but I don't think he deserves to be the worst. |
tsubasalover said: He's #1? He's creepy and all, but I don't think he deserves to be the worst. agree but still he creeps me out o.O and heroine is the dumbest character of all times for me so I wasn't that annoyed by his actions >.> |
| Now that I'm really looking at this, Toma reminds me in a way of Erik for the Phantom of the Opera. However, I think Erik is way more well-liked than Toma. I myself am a solid Erik/Christine shipper, yet for some reason cannot get behind Toma's reasoning. I think its probably because Erik has a way better and more tragic backstory and you can see why he does the things he does. Toma's reasons are not at all convincing and seem shallow in comparison. |
| This is ridiculous! I don't think he deserves to have that image of "Horrible Boyfriend" and worst be on 1st place in a top 10 ¬¬ ... Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... He is just trying to protect her but he choose the worst choice there could be to do it... He is aware of the mistake his making and he even says to Heroine that if she decides not to see him again that he would understand which I think you can acknowledge that he doesn't feel good with what he is doing, now I know that in the bad ending of the game he goes completely insane but that's because Heroine doesn't trust him... And I think some characters have their creepy side including Toma but there are worst characters... and for me Toma is not one of them... |
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| i agree |
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| I don't think he is the worst, anime-wise anyway... |
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| Toma's definitely far from the worst, I mean how come the guy from Haou Airen doesn't take that spot? That manga was horrible and I still want to forget that it exists. |
minescope said: Toma's definitely far from the worst, I mean how come the guy from Haou Airen doesn't take that spot? That manga was horrible and I still want to forget that it exists. Pretty much every Mayu Shinjou male characters... |
kawaiiphanda said: Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... He is just trying to protect her but he choose the worst choice there could be to do it... If locking someone in a cage against their will isn't abuse, then what is? Just curious. |
kawaiiphanda said: This is ridiculous! I don't think he deserves to have that image of "Horrible Boyfriend" and worst be on 1st place in a top 10 ¬¬ ... Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... That's a complete contradiction. Locking someone in a cage against their will IS abusive. |
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aki3chan said: kawaiiphanda said: This is ridiculous! I don't think he deserves to have that image of "Horrible Boyfriend" and worst be on 1st place in a top 10 ¬¬ ... Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... He is just trying to protect her but he choose the worst choice there could be to do it... He is aware of the mistake his making and he even says to Heroine that if she decides not to see him again that he would understand which I think you can acknowledge that he doesn't feel good with what he is doing, now I know that in the bad ending of the game he goes completely insane but that's because Heroine doesn't trust him... And I think some characters have their creepy side including Toma but there are worst characters... and for me Toma is not one of them... Dude he puts her in a dog cage.Do you understand how humiliating that is? If he was overprotective I know he wouldn't always make the right choices but he goes way overboard then any normal human being would. You know, some abuser, wether it be verbal or physical say to it's victim ''I'm sorry. I won't do it ever again'' and they still continue abusing the victim. Oh, and in the visual novel he even does this. http://otomecafe.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/amnesia_0043.jpeg?w=500 Well, he NEVER did it again, and he kept torturing himself over the fact that he hurt her |
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mistress_kisara said: aki3chan said: kawaiiphanda said: This is ridiculous! I don't think he deserves to have that image of "Horrible Boyfriend" and worst be on 1st place in a top 10 ¬¬ ... Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... He is just trying to protect her but he choose the worst choice there could be to do it... He is aware of the mistake his making and he even says to Heroine that if she decides not to see him again that he would understand which I think you can acknowledge that he doesn't feel good with what he is doing, now I know that in the bad ending of the game he goes completely insane but that's because Heroine doesn't trust him... And I think some characters have their creepy side including Toma but there are worst characters... and for me Toma is not one of them... Dude he puts her in a dog cage.Do you understand how humiliating that is? If he was overprotective I know he wouldn't always make the right choices but he goes way overboard then any normal human being would. You know, some abuser, wether it be verbal or physical say to it's victim ''I'm sorry. I won't do it ever again'' and they still continue abusing the victim. Oh, and in the visual novel he even does this. http://otomecafe.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/amnesia_0043.jpeg?w=500 Well, he NEVER did it again, and he kept torturing himself over the fact that he hurt her But does that make it right? And what if she had happened not to be in love with him at all and had no diary? What would he have done? Would he have felt "sorry"? And even if he did, would he still have kept on doing it anyway? |
Irenesharda said: mistress_kisara said: aki3chan said: kawaiiphanda said: This is ridiculous! I don't think he deserves to have that image of "Horrible Boyfriend" and worst be on 1st place in a top 10 ¬¬ ... Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... He is just trying to protect her but he choose the worst choice there could be to do it... He is aware of the mistake his making and he even says to Heroine that if she decides not to see him again that he would understand which I think you can acknowledge that he doesn't feel good with what he is doing, now I know that in the bad ending of the game he goes completely insane but that's because Heroine doesn't trust him... And I think some characters have their creepy side including Toma but there are worst characters... and for me Toma is not one of them... Dude he puts her in a dog cage.Do you understand how humiliating that is? If he was overprotective I know he wouldn't always make the right choices but he goes way overboard then any normal human being would. You know, some abuser, wether it be verbal or physical say to it's victim ''I'm sorry. I won't do it ever again'' and they still continue abusing the victim. Oh, and in the visual novel he even does this. http://otomecafe.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/amnesia_0043.jpeg?w=500 Well, he NEVER did it again, and he kept torturing himself over the fact that he hurt her But does that make it right? And what if she had happened not to be in love with him at all and had no diary? What would he have done? Would he have felt "sorry"? And even if he did, would he still have kept on doing it anyway? Of course its wrong. He did change in Amnesia Later :p |
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| LOL There are more worst boyfriends out there, seriously. Oh well. |
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aki3chan said: mistress_kisara said: Well, he NEVER did it again, and he kept torturing himself over the fact that he hurt her So did Frollo from the original The Hunchback of Notre-Dame. Esmeralda still didn't forgive him Really puts into perspective how this anime is displaying a REGRESSION of women's rights in media. |
DmonHiro said: Short answer: yes. Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Only way it would have been worse is if he also raped her... which I think he did. pretty much. |
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aki3chan said: mistress_kisara said: aki3chan said: kawaiiphanda said: This is ridiculous! I don't think he deserves to have that image of "Horrible Boyfriend" and worst be on 1st place in a top 10 ¬¬ ... Yes, he can be quite scary for the way he acts with Heroine by locking her in a cage, but that doesn't mean that he is abusive to her... He is just trying to protect her but he choose the worst choice there could be to do it... He is aware of the mistake his making and he even says to Heroine that if she decides not to see him again that he would understand which I think you can acknowledge that he doesn't feel good with what he is doing, now I know that in the bad ending of the game he goes completely insane but that's because Heroine doesn't trust him... And I think some characters have their creepy side including Toma but there are worst characters... and for me Toma is not one of them... Dude he puts her in a dog cage.Do you understand how humiliating that is? If he was overprotective I know he wouldn't always make the right choices but he goes way overboard then any normal human being would. You know, some abuser, wether it be verbal or physical say to it's victim ''I'm sorry. I won't do it ever again'' and they still continue abusing the victim. Oh, and in the visual novel he even does this. http://otomecafe.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/amnesia_0043.jpeg?w=500 Well, he NEVER did it again, and he kept torturing himself over the fact that he hurt her So did Frollo from the original The Hunchback of Notre-Dame. Esmeralda still didn't forgive him Well, Toma thinks she shouldn't forgive him but she did. The heroine and Esmeralda are different people, we might hate her decision but in the end it's her decision. |
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| A yandere male is obviously the worst type of boyfriend, but a yandere female like Gasai would top the charts for "Best Girlfriend". No sexism here, nope, none. |
| I'm curious where you're seeing Toma's detractors condoning female yanderes. |
Umeko said: I'm curious where you're seeing Toma's detractors condoning female yanderes. Just the general audience. I've never seen anyone hate on Gasai, when she's pretty much a female Toma. Those same people that like Gasai despise and are scared of Toma though. |
| I think a big part of it is the context. I haven't seen/read much of Mirai Nikki, but it's a psychological thriller/horror anime (ie. it is pretty much necessary for there to be violent psychopaths, and hating that there is one or two or several running around is just dumb), and I'm pretty sure Yuno is made out to be seen as completely off her rocker and her actions as not actually romantic. Amnesia is a romance anime and Toma is being presented not as a sick individual who should be reprehended for his actions, but as a sympathetic character for doing all that out of love and then feeling bad about it. Both situations are incredibly unhealthy, but only one of them is trying to let us realize that. |
Zatheyll said: Just the general audience. I've never seen anyone hate on Gasai, when she's pretty much a female Toma. Those same people that like Gasai despise and are scared of Toma though. I like yanderes male and female and I like Yuno purely because she was entertaining and the show portrayed that yes, her actions were not romantic. Toma pissed me off because he made me sit through his pointless angsting over a misunderstanding that would have been solved had he not unnecessarily snapped. It doesn't help that the anime/game romanticizes it and in the end it was deus ex machina'd. |
Zatheyll said: Just the general audience. I've never seen anyone hate on Gasai, when she's pretty much a female Toma. Those same people that like Gasai despise and are scared of Toma though. So True. I like both Yuno and Toma ^_^ but Ukyo is still no. 1! |
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You do realize that people who watch mirai nikki are mostly different audience and why they like her so much are tottaly different reasons. (For your info I'm not her fan either) People love Gasai because she brought great suspense for the show and how smart she was at some situations. Her obsession with Yuki, people mostly take it as a joke. On top of that, people knew with what kind of anime and charecters they're dealing with. As for Toma. It just happened that the audience, who watch Amnesia, just wanted to see some nice romance. What Toma did was just unexpected and for some inappropriate. ( Just imagine how people feel, when School days came out) In my opinon they just didn't handle his yandere character well and could be done better. It was very believable though. Out of all the romances she has gone through one of them would of had Toma's personality. There are plenty of people just like him in the real world who would go much farther than he did, so seeing at least one of his type isn't strange in the slightest for this type of show. What this show has done is show it is most definitely not a romance show. She doesn't get enough time to be with any one of the characters before being whisked off to another boy, and the entire setting doesn't allow for any romance. If anything this is a mystery/suspense show. The Heroine really shouldn't be feeling any romance for any of them, and what she does show is fake. |
aki3chan said: What are you trying to tell me ? What I got from what you said is that Toma didn't fit the story at all and that it would have been better without him in it or him different than how he is. |
gaudylakin said: DmonHiro said: He did.Short answer: yes. Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Only way it would have been worse is if he also raped her... which I think he did. Whoa, details plz. Was that cut out of the anime, or did it happen during one of her drug-induced blackouts, or...? |
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