Can Love Really Conquer All?
| I wanna know what you all think. Is love really that powerful can it conquer anything? I'm beginning to wonder myself if it really can. I don't wish to discuss my whole story but let's just say my mother(because my dad still doesn't know) doesn't agree with my relationship, niether do any of my friends parents who know(mainly close friends of my mom's), and none of my friends do, my best friends who I've known all my life and know I'm happy in this relationship who've I've been there for when they needed me, who I talked to when I needed them. The ones I went through grade school and jr high and now highschool. Two of my friends are for it, but those two girls I met last year in my freshman year I mean come on I just met them and they have more trust in me. Anyway I've been yelled at, questioned, and now grounded for this whole thing. Just I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worth it anymore. I love him more than life itself, but I'm also hurting the people closest to me and I don't want to do that anymore. Everyone is basically making me choose between him or my family and friends. It's a choice I really don't want to make because either one I choose I'll be hurt and so will whoever I don't choose. I thought our love and bond was strong enough to withstand anything, but now with everything that's happening I'm beginning to question and doubt and our bond is breaking. I'm afraid I'll lose him, but I'm also afraid I'll lose everyone else as well. I really don't know if love can save everyone, what do you all think? Is love honestly that strong? |
| If you're looking for the honest truth, in most situations love doesn't conquer all. After all, 50% of marriages end in divorce in the U.S., and many of those marriages involve previously lovestruck teenagers. In terms of the friends accepting him issue, if your closest friends don't agree with the relationship, but your newer friends do that makes perfect sense since your newer friends have only known you for a short amount of time and probably haven't given the situation as much thought as your older friends who seem to care enough to tell you not to get in a relationship with him (even though they know you'll be angry at them for it). If they tell you not to, they may have valid points that you should consider. In terms of my opinion, I don't know the situation so I can't tell you whether or not love will conquer all for you, but I will tell you one thing: If the reason all these issues have transpired is because your relationship with him is an online one then I'll probably have to agree with your parents. There are multiple reasons for this, but one of the biggest reasons is that pursuing a long term relationship can strain a relationship in so many immeasurable ways and without truly spending a lot of time together and next to each other your relationship will inevitably crumble. You can say that you love him more than life itself, but in the end there's no possible way you could truly know him unless you spend a significant amount of time together in real life (this is all assuming, of course, that the issues are due to having a purely online relationship). Also, while it is true that falling out of love is hard, falling in love again is easier than you might expect and there are plenty of people out there that you could possibly fall in love with that you haven't met yet. Don't make yourself believe that the end of one relationship is the end of the world @_@. |
SinOct 30, 2007 4:16 PM
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| Hmmm many of things you said have many points to them. Not all relationships last I know that everyone knows that, but sadly some people take things to be love and don't wish to ever lose the other which can bring many complications especially if it's an abusive relationship or a highly sexual one. Lot's of relationship do last though I see everyday many happy relationships, but I honestly don't know the people so I can't say what happens when they're alone or at home. Just they seem happy. About my friends well they yell at me all the time about this and they treat me completely different almsot as if they don't care if I'm upset or not. MY one frined told my mom about my relationship and I got yelled at badly to the point of tears when I saw her again because she was with me at the time we were on vacation is Disney (what a great place to get yelled at in the middle of Disney World -_-) but yea she didn't say a word almsot as if she didn't care. Honestly my friendships are different now and I don't think I'll see them the same way. They are taking this way to far and I'm backing away and the friendship is breaking. I don't want to do that btu its better then getting yelled at or treated like I'm some drug addict with an addiction who needs constant watch. Here I understand what you were saying it is extremely difficult and I don't wish to be in this type of relationship for a long time I really don't think I can take no physical contact for so long. I really am happy with him and I'm closer to him than anyone else I know because I know he won't judge me like everyone else does and he cares about me. I don't know I mean if we did end the relationship I don't know if it'd make things better or worse. I really don't think I could take another bad thing in my life right now I'm fairly upset as is with every other thing happening in my life. If I were to lose him right now I most likely will break, but honestly if things continue I might break either way. But I'm not goign to get into detail of my personal life and what's going on. I really don't know it might not be the end of the world, but it will take a toll on me more than any other thing that's ever happened to me. A lot of break-ups do hurt people a lot especially if you both really loved each other. Some break ups can lead to depression or even suicide it's really heartbreaking for many serious couples. |
| I think you misunderstood my first point. I wasn't stating the obvious that some relationships don't last, I was stating that 50% of them don't. Also, of course you see everyday happy relationships, but that doesn't mean they'll last in the future... I really don't understand how anyone can truly know someone else (or love them) through merely the internet, but that might just be me. Anyway, I think true love can conquer most things, but most people don't really understand what true love is (and mistakenly think they do). |
SinNov 3, 2007 4:07 PM
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Angelkat said: I wanna know what you all think. Is love really that powerful can it conquer anything? I'm beginning to wonder myself if it really can. I don't wish to discuss my whole story but let's just say my mother(because my dad still doesn't know) doesn't agree with my relationship, niether do any of my friends parents who know(mainly close friends of my mom's), and none of my friends do, my best friends who I've known all my life and know I'm happy in this relationship who've I've been there for when they needed me, who I talked to when I needed them. The ones I went through grade school and jr high and now highschool. Two of my friends are for it, but those two girls I met last year in my freshman year I mean come on I just met them and they have more trust in me. Anyway I've been yelled at, questioned, and now grounded for this whole thing. Just I'm beginning to wonder if it's even worth it anymore. I love him more than life itself, but I'm also hurting the people closest to me and I don't want to do that anymore. Everyone is basically making me choose between him or my family and friends. It's a choice I really don't want to make because either one I choose I'll be hurt and so will whoever I don't choose. I thought our love and bond was strong enough to withstand anything, but now with everything that's happening I'm beginning to question and doubt and our bond is breaking. I'm afraid I'll lose him, but I'm also afraid I'll lose everyone else as well. I really don't know if love can save everyone, what do you all think? Is love honestly that strong? If your parents and friends are going to be this way, are you going to give in to them? Are you going to let someone who doesn't feel what you feel, doesn't comprehend you, trouble you like this? Seemingly they've started to invade your life, it ticks me off how people will subject important things that happen in anyway besides real life to being un-cool or whatever else you can think of. They can't explain it, they can't back themselves up, it's just "the way things are". If I was in your situation and grew up with those people and they turned their back on me like that, and gave me no chance to even slightly explain to them why, I would let them go. If your mom is even being like this, does she even understand? Or does she just want to control you like most parents, shape you how they were shaped. This situation will take a considerable amount of thinking, in philosophy and morality. I think that's the only way, but whatever you choose is up to you. This, written by John Stuart Mill, sums up what I'm trying to say "Over himself, over his own body and mind, the individual is sovereign" If people are trying to control you, deny it, if people are parting from you, they are parting from you, they can influence you, they can guide you, but in no circumstance and in no place in the universe does anyone ever have the right to tell you what to do unless you are going to hurt someone, but that's not relative. Hurt as in kill. Anyways, it's your choice entirely. If it was me, I would dis-obey my mother gladly, with a smile, and screw my friends. If they're going to be like that, they aren't my friends and there's nothing that can redeem them to me except their apology Let Love guide you, don't compromise it, give in to Loves desire |
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| You know your very right WorldWide you did prove alot of points. I mean it's just my mom doesn't understand. I mean she just "wants what's best" as all parents do. But what she thinks is the best isn't always the best for me. I mean like I said in my comments I'm not a fighting or yelling person. I don't like to fight with my mom or anyone else who is treating me badly. I just can't seem to get the words that I want to say out. Just when this topic is brought up by anyone who doesn't believe what I do there's no use in trying to explain to them because they won't understand no matter what I say. I'm just tired of this whole thing and I want them to stop. Your right though they don't feel what I feel so they have no evidence to back up their argument as in "I don't know what love is" I honestly think no one I know really knows what love is. I'm meaning in like my school and in person, I really only see true love online and that's not just because of personal experience it's because everyone I know is in a relationship like this all my online friends well a good portion. I see relationships and such in my school and some I understand as being love but others are just for one thing and we all know what I mean. That's why I can't stand guys who go around saying how awesome there night was with this girl they don't even know. Or when I hear about abusive boyfriends. Just it hurts knowing people are like that and when people say to me, someone who is in a happy, loving relationship, that I don't know what love is when I know they argue a lot or aren't truly happy it hurts. Just when my mom said that to me I just I stopped saying anything I didn't talk to anyone anymore I couldn't because I didn't know how to respond. But I just don't know. I understand what your saying and you really are right. I just wish they would back off a bit and stop making my life a living hell. |
Ecstasy said: I think you misunderstood my first point. I wasn't stating the obvious that some relationships don't last, I was stating that 50% of them don't. Also, of course you see everyday happy relationships, but that doesn't mean they'll last in the future... I really don't understand how anyone can truly know someone else (or love them) through merely the internet, but that might just be me. Anyway, I think true love can conquer most things, but most people don't really understand what true love is (and mistakenly think they do). I understood what you were saying. Like I said not all relationships last but a lot do. Yes you do see a lot of happy relationships and a lot of them last in the future but I never said all happy relationships last. But if your both happy with each other why would you break-up? I mean I know a lot of outside things can ruin the relationship but if your willing and you really love them then don't give them up. Why give up something that makes you happy? True love... Your right not everyone knows what it is. Like I said in my post directly before this. That I don't really see a lot of relationships where they truly love each other. I ironically see that more online than I do in real life. Distance ironically again brings people closer. It can get in the way a lot and can be a lot harder than in-person relationships but it's a lot more powerful relationship as in it tests you more. I wouldn't have gone through all this if I didn't love him and I mean truly love him. I know what true love is. I'd do absolutely anything for him, anything I'm comfortable with, and if he loves me he won't pressure me into doing anything I'm not ready to do. I'm very happy with him and I love him. It can happen online because love has no limits. If you say it can't happen online your saying love has limits. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion but I'm just saying that love can happen anywhere in anyway no matter your gender, culture, color, religion, race. (besides, to me, abusive relationships, ONLY sexual relationships because you can have an imtimate relationship and still love each other but relationships solely around "sex" is not a love relationship, people with animal sexual loving relationships I find creepy and horrible. You can love your animals but don't bring intimacy into it, and finally fetishes like supposedly having a fetish with a persons clothes or something is just creepy in my mind. Those things are not love just false, fake, horrible things in my mind) Love is universal and can happen to anyone and in anyway.... |
Angelkat said: You know your very right WorldWide you did prove alot of points. I mean it's just my mom doesn't understand. I mean she just "wants what's best" as all parents do. But what she thinks is the best isn't always the best for me. I mean like I said in my comments I'm not a fighting or yelling person. I don't like to fight with my mom or anyone else who is treating me badly. I just can't seem to get the words that I want to say out. Just when this topic is brought up by anyone who doesn't believe what I do there's no use in trying to explain to them because they won't understand no matter what I say. I'm just tired of this whole thing and I want them to stop. Your right though they don't feel what I feel so they have no evidence to back up their argument as in "I don't know what love is" I honestly think no one I know really knows what love is. I'm meaning in like my school and in person, I really only see true love online and that's not just because of personal experience it's because everyone I know is in a relationship like this all my online friends well a good portion. I see relationships and such in my school and some I understand as being love but others are just for one thing and we all know what I mean. That's why I can't stand guys who go around saying how awesome there night was with this girl they don't even know. Or when I hear about abusive boyfriends. Just it hurts knowing people are like that and when people say to me, someone who is in a happy, loving relationship, that I don't know what love is when I know they argue a lot or aren't truly happy it hurts. Just when my mom said that to me I just I stopped saying anything I didn't talk to anyone anymore I couldn't because I didn't know how to respond. But I just don't know. I understand what your saying and you really are right. I just wish they would back off a bit and stop making my life a living hell. True, maybe she does want what's best, but at times you also have to just let the possibility arise. Not all adults, parents included, have a right mind set. But I guess the "wrong" mind would be the situation your in right now where your mom doesn't understand, isn't really trying to understand, but is still trying to control you. Well to me, this would be one of those "run away" moments, but I'm not going to exploit myself in order to create a copy of my own opinion. But these are difficult situations indeed. Well I think in some cases it's that they subconsciously don't want you to know, they may think "How would this girl find true love in the INTERNET, while I'm having so much trouble finding it in real life" most people underestimate the Internet because of the lack of communication through facial expression, a tiny hint of mental sync/telepathy, and the ability of physical touch. But people underestimate THE MOST, the ability of simple lingual communication because they've worn out its meaning. I went off topic there for a second, but I thought that should be said. But like you said, when we add in things like physical touch or starting a relationship with an underestimate of communication, it may go down a path that leads it to failure. Physical relationships may be about the worst there are, anyone can simply act, but it takes determination and a true sense of care to have any meaning behind them. Of course, over use of physical contact can break relationships apart. Guys usually, I know I'll regret this later since it's so extremely sexist, tend to react more physically because as kids they're usually "strengthened" and "taught" by their fathers, and the only way that they CAN'T betray their fathers emotionless ways is to do just that, have a relationship with no emotion. It's physical, that's all. That didn't turn out to be as sexist as I thought it would be, turned out to sort of point out other sexists. Now I've been in that sort of situation, but of course it wasn't with love, but more of my own being changing. I fell into constant state of apathy, and apparently I fell as subordinate to the world which made me this way, my only hope to go back is to move forward. But you also need to respect their control over themselves, not in such a way that you succumb to them, but you know what I mean. I bet this sounds stupid coming from a 13 year old =P |
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