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fluffy_mausNov 16, 2014 4:27 PM
| The vampire thing doesnt really come up that much. So I'd say yes ! You are gonna love it :) |
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| I didn't even know it had vampire stuff, so yeah even if you're not into those kinda of things you would still love it. |
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| If you dislike supernatural themes (including vampires and stuff), Monogatari Series are just not for you. Now, if you are talking about stupid Twilight-like vampiric stereotypes, that is not Monogatari at all. |
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| It's not realy focused to the Vampire theme, so yeah, as long as Gahara-san and Hanekawa-san is there it is Totally possible to enjoy Monogatari Series. |
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scytheavatar said: Monogatari is not your typical supernatural series, it's a classic for good reasons. Any anime fan has the obligation to at least watch the first 2 episodes of Bakemonogatari. Novels are better, imo. They should read at least the first book. |
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scytheavatar said: Monogatari is not your typical supernatural series, it's a classic for good reasons. Any anime fan has the obligation to at least watch the first 2 episodes of Bakemonogatari. why is this? |
Killaclown said: it certainly starts very different from what i imaginedscytheavatar said: Monogatari is not your typical supernatural series, it's a classic for good reasons. Any anime fan has the obligation to at least watch the first 2 episodes of Bakemonogatari. why is this? |
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Killaclown said: Well its one of the best selling anime of all time so its worth checking out at least to understand the hype. Additionally I think its worth checking out because it has a very unique style that sets it apart from most other shows.scytheavatar said: Monogatari is not your typical supernatural series, it's a classic for good reasons. Any anime fan has the obligation to at least watch the first 2 episodes of Bakemonogatari. why is this? |
| Most of the "apparitions" or "oddities" in the Monogatari series are unique types of supernatural creatures that you won't find in any other series. No, the main "boring" factor in Monogatari is the endless talking scenes, often coupled with near-slideshow animation. But there is a fair amount of ecchi/harem material (especially in Nisemonogatari), though I don't know if you're into that since your list is private. |
Zalis said: No, the main "boring" factor in Monogatari is the endless talking scenes, That's one of the main draws of the show though. |
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tsudecimo said: Zalis said: No, the main "boring" factor in Monogatari is the endless talking scenes, That's one of the main draws of the show though. The sharp dialogue is what makes Monogatari what it is. |
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Danpmss said: tsudecimo said: That's one of the main draws of the show though. The sharp dialogue is what makes Monogatari what it is. Yeah, a borefest. EDIT. Oh, and for the OP: if you don't like supernatural series, don't watch supernatural series. |
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| uh vampirism has like nothing to do with it the problems you can have with Monogatari are a) the excessive dialogue, and b) the very repetitive story arc design |
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HaXXspetten said: uh vampirism has like nothing to do with it the problems you can have with Monogatari b) the very repetitive story arc design Not really. Aside from Bakemonogatari. The character arc are not really similar in the slightest, and it's repetitive in the case of Bake, because it the introduction of most of the cast. |
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tsudecimo said: You think?HaXXspetten said: uh vampirism has like nothing to do with it the problems you can have with Monogatari b) the very repetitive story arc design Not really. Aside from Bakemonogatari. The character arc are not really similar in the slightest, and it's repetitive in the case of Bake, because it the introduction of most of the cast. >Girl gets her life messed up by an oddity >All characters except for the girl in question and Araragi (and to a certain extent Shinobu since she's stuck with him) get pushed aside completely >Araragi comes in and saves the day >The girl in question then gets pushed aside as well in order to return the status quo >Repeat from step one is generally how it goes |
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HaXXspetten said: tsudecimo said: You think?Not really. Aside from Bakemonogatari. The character arc are not really similar in the slightest, and it's repetitive in the case of Bake, because it the introduction of most of the cast. >Girl gets her life messed up by an oddity >All characters except for the girl in question and Araragi (and to a certain extent Shinobu since she's stuck with him) get pushed aside completely >Araragi comes in and saves the day >The girl in question then gets pushed aside as well in order to return the status quo >Repeat from step one is generally how it goes Maybe try to read? I said only Bakemongatari, had that structure of the arcs, you are referring to. While Monogatari second season and other adaptions, are more about the developments of the cast members. Kizumonogatari, being about Araragi's development, and the beginning of his story. And what do you mean by stats quo? |
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| Don't bother if you dislike/hate supernatural or dialogue heavy shows. The dialogue is both I would say is the shows biggest strength and weakness, especially in Bakemonogatari when its witty fast energetic and usually silly the long dialogue scenes are a blast, some of the best character interaction in anime. But the main problem people have with it is when the dialogue shifts to very detailed exposition and details of the cases can drag quite a bit. I say this is a more of a problem with Bake as Nise plays far more to its strength with the dialogue with it all being very witty and far less exposition and explaining. Though Nise trade-off is that its far more ecchi which would put off a few people. As for the second season its a more balanced mix of the 2. |
tsudecimo said: oic, well the thread itself was about the entire monogatari series that's more what I was referring toHaXXspetten said: You think? >Girl gets her life messed up by an oddity >All characters except for the girl in question and Araragi (and to a certain extent Shinobu since she's stuck with him) get pushed aside completely >Araragi comes in and saves the day >The girl in question then gets pushed aside as well in order to return the status quo >Repeat from step one is generally how it goes Maybe try to read? I said only Bakemongatari, had that structure of the arcs, you are referring to. While Monogatari second season and other adaptions, are more about the developments of the cast members. Kizumonogatari, being about Araragi's development, and the beginning of his story. And what do you mean by stats quo? status quo basically means that as soon as an arc is finished it's more or less back to where it began with everything being normalized again so it can conveniently go on to the next arc instead S2 changes this a bit since some of the arcs actually have some sort of consequences with their endings though |
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HaXXspetten said: status quo basically means that as soon as an arc is finished it's more or less back to where it began with everything being normalized again so it can conveniently go on to the next arc instead S2 changes this a bit since some of the arcs actually have some sort of consequences with their endings though I'm not sure why you would describe it like that. It would be more accurate to say, that the problems of the oddities are resolved after the arc, and doesn't have consequences, and even then some of the oddities still have their presence after the arc is done You are also forgetting about how the relationship between the characters change drastically, so I tihnk you are wrong in describing it, the stats quo. Question and I'm just curious, why did you keep watching this series, up to Monogatari second season, if you didn't like Bake and Nise that much? |
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| ehh well I don't hate them, they're still worth watching once at least even if I'm not a huge fan also I really don't like dropping stuff by principle |
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| for some, Monogatari series is extremely likeable for others it's just extreme borefest. The comments in this thread are pretty much self-explanatory. |
[i]"Yet each man kills the thing he loves, [/i]By each let this be heard, Some do it with a bitter look, Some with a flattering word, The coward does it with a kiss, The brave man with a sword!'' ~Oscar |
| The vampire element was more of a footnote than anything else. I only ever remember it being a factor in some Tiger? arc lol. I suppose you could argue advanced healing ability considering how much he gets his ass kicked throughout the gatari series. |
Sung-Hwan said: I'd say it's more self-indulgent in its own semantics, rather than pretentious.It ends up being boring to most because unlike other harem of its kind, it tries to be pretentious with character exposition and excessive dialogue. |
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Sung-Hwan said: that is a sad way of thinkingHarems should just strive to be like Infinite Stratos or HOTD. |
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| the main focus of bakemonogatari is more of being stylized than supernatural stuff. unless you flat out hate ghost stories youll be fine. |
| I wonder how much less popular Monogatari would be if it wasn't for Shaft though, because that's pretty much what makes the show what it is |
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HaXXspetten said: I wonder how much less popular Monogatari would be if it wasn't for Shaft though, because that's pretty much what makes the show what it is The novels were great, Katanagatari and Zaregoto were successful enough... I'm pretty sure Isin already had an estabilished fanbase with it even before Monogatari Series got animated. The sales were always like that too (increased like only 10K with Bakemonogatari anime). |
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HaXXspetten said: I wonder how much less popular Monogatari would be if it wasn't for Shaft though, because that's pretty much what makes the show what it is Not really. Katanagari (another series by Niso Isin) has the same style of dialogue and is fairly popular. And more importantly, the novels are best sellers, so the art and style of Shinbou's team doesn't really make Monogatari what it is. |
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| Yeah I'm aware of that, I just can't imagine what it would look like without them |
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| I'd be more concerned if you are able to get past it being made by Shaft. |
zellami said: Emnay said: that is a sad way of thinking Genres should develop. Harems like IS are boring stalemates. Even the ecchi was meh. It has fan service.... Not ecchi. |
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| It's fine is you don't watch it because that means there's more Kaiki for me! |
Mikatarukito said: zellami said: Genres should develop. Harems like IS are boring stalemates. Even the ecchi was meh. It has fan service.... Not ecchi. The mecchi was also meh :D |
| Yeah, it's not a cliche vampire shounen lol so you can enjoy it. |
| There's no vampire stuff like twilight like that, there's supernatural stuff in it though, but you'll enjoy it if you like that genre |
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| To be quite frank with you OP, the vampiric elements of this series are extremely minimal. This is not your typical "vampire" anime. There isn't a whole lot of "bloodsucking" and "turning people into vampires." It's more or less about a multitude of supernatural elements being solved by someone that is half-vampire or has vampiric powers. Although, it does go beyond that past Bakemonogatari. For the most part though, it's about solving mysteries and problems brought about by supernatural elements. It's a fascinating show and it's not like any other anime I've ever seen. There was one person that said you should at least watch the first two episodes of Bakemonogatari to get a feel for it...because stylistically, what you see in the first two episodes of Bakemonogatari is what you can expect from the rest of the series in regards to tone, style, and characterization. Unlike most "vampire" anime, Monogatari is very dialogue heavy and more about solving problems on a diplomatic level more so than "kill the monster." That's not to say that there isn't action in this series, because there is...but it's very minimal and more times than not, the conflicts in this series are not solved by "flashy, fight scenes." |
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