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Feb 29, 2016 3:09 AM
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Amidst all of the tension in Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri season 2 at the moment, my friend and I were discussing the hypothetical question of: "would the JSDF be allowed to use nuclear weapons against the Empire or more specifically, does the Geneva Convention and the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty apply to the inhabitants of their planet?"

I say the Convention and Treaty doesn't apply because they are not from Earth (using the alien argument) and my friend says it only applies to the Human like races such as the elves and humans but not orcs and other creatures like them.

Anyways, I would like to know what you guys think.
Feb 29, 2016 3:14 AM
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No they wouldn't .But I don't know about treaties so I'll just say why I think so .

Basically it's a matter of public image .

Remember the ruckus they stirred up when they couldn't defend all the immigrants from the red dragon ?

That was what happened when people assumed they were shirking their duties and caused the deaths of some due to incompetence .

What do you think would happen if they used a Nuclear Bomb ?

Gross overkill that many people would call unnecessary and barbaric .

The military's approval would sink like a stone .

In any case I'm sure Human rights still apply to those beyond the GATE in the eyes of the Japanese (and the rest of the world) .

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Feb 29, 2016 5:08 AM
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First of all, JSDF doesn't have nukes. At least, officially - everybody knows Japan can make their own nukes quite fast, should they decide to do so.

Second, Japanese really hate nukes. Ever wonder why all those big bombs in anime aren't called nukes? Because they don't like nukes. Because they're the only nation who actually had nukes used against them.
So, it is very unlikely that anime JSDF will be allowed to use nukes. Real JSDF wouldn't get nukes for fighting defenseless primitives either.
Feb 29, 2016 7:54 AM
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Hmm...Haven't watched this anime yet, but if it can spark a hefty question like this, it suddenly interests me.
Mar 25, 2016 12:38 PM
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Everyone acknowledges the real jdsf has nukes but there is no reason when conventional weapons slaughter well enough . Also they could just fire bomb the capital, read about the fire bombing of Tokyo in wwii killed far more people than both nukes combined.
Mar 25, 2016 11:20 PM
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Proton_Anatomy said:
Amidst all of the tension in Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri season 2 at the moment, my friend and I were discussing the hypothetical question of: "would the JSDF be allowed to use nuclear weapons against the Empire or more specifically, does the Geneva Convention and the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty apply to the inhabitants of their planet?"

I say the Convention and Treaty doesn't apply because they are not from Earth (using the alien argument) and my friend says it only applies to the Human like races such as the elves and humans but not orcs and other creatures like them.

Anyways, I would like to know what you guys think.
The Geneva Conventions and NNPT apply to the signatories wherever they act. Even if on an alien world, Japanese forces violating the Geneva Conventions can be prosecuted in accordance with international law, and are expected to conduct themselves just as they would in, say, the Philippines. The legal basis for this already exists: not all nations on earth have been actual signatories of the Geneva Conventions. Similarly with the NNPT, the treaty forbids Japan from acquiring and using nuclear weapons. As soon as it produces a nuke, it is in direct violation of the treaty, and legally open to sanctions.

The question as to whether non-human races are covered by the Geneva Conventions is a murkier one. The law there is fungible, but for the sake of domestic politics and international relations (and just avoiding messy legal action), it is extremely prudent to treat all non-human civilizations as they would humans. While they could argue from a legal standpoint, it's just not going to fly for the Japanese people. And foreign nations can be expected to take the position that best benefits them, which is that Japan is in violation and the "special region" needs to be under international control.


Dstar_23 said:
Everyone acknowledges the real jdsf has nukes but there is no reason when conventional weapons slaughter well enough . Also they could just fire bomb the capital, read about the fire bombing of Tokyo in wwii killed far more people than both nukes combined.
It does not have nukes, and will not in the foreseeable future. It does, however, have the technical knowledge and resources to build nuclear weapons, and delivery systems for them, in a very short period of time. Possibly as little as several months. But it could not launch a nuke tomorrow.
ErwinJAMar 25, 2016 11:25 PM
Mar 26, 2016 12:13 AM
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Thanks for the response! They are good points and are very interesting. I'll make sure tell my friend them :)

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