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| Best episode so far. I've had problems with them putting in too much music in past episodes (music isn't a bad thing, it's when I feel that it's a deterrent to the atmos where I find it as a problem) and this episode did it perfectly - minimal music so you're focused more on the freakish conversations that happen in a country, brought out at pivotal scenes making it so when there IS music it's important. This episode really reminded me of the tone of the 2003 series that made me love it, I really enjoyed it. The only thing I'd like to know is why Old Kino's design is different. Anyone know why? |
Kinekuri said: She used to be a cute girl before eventually turning into a boy. It's not that she "turned into a boy," it's that she overtook the image of the traveller, which is different. Old Kino was neither a child or an adult because all he cared about was travelling. New Kino is a girl but doesn't care that she's female or is trying to pretend to be a boy, because all she cares about is travelling. If you asked her whether she was a boy or girl, it would probably be within character for her to answer that she is simply "Kino." Lerche's portrayal of the series is more character-driven but the idea was that Kino was sort of a neutral character that would act as a lens to viewing the countries she visited. Her story was less important - the countries were more. |
BunnyflowerDec 16, 2017 4:55 AM
aLotQuestion said: Although everyone is still feeling for Kino(Sakura)'s backstory, but IMO, I just feel sad for the Adult Kino. Although his worthiness is saving Sakura but his death is doesn't worth it for me. He just die like that without his own story. There's a chapter in the novels called Life Goes On that has new Kino going to his house to return his coat, they also made an anime "movie" episode about it if you wanted to look it up. |
Bunnyflower said: The only thing I'd like to know is why Old Kino's design is different. Anyone know why? He has no design or illustration in the novel. old Kino also looks different in the manga (albeit close to his new design.. Hair color and age wise). Leyva1992 said: who is VA for original kino aka adult kino? Ono Daisuke |
| I watched the 4th episode from the original few days ago I liked this one more than original |
Mouloxas said: Djidji said: People did feel for Sakura while not knowing Kino's backstory yet. And that's where the rewatching value make sense. It's the same as Tokyo Magnitude 8.0 or Kaiba where knowing some facts beforehand would create more understanding. I'm saying people felt for Sakura for all the wrong reasons. You're not supposed to sympathize with her because she's a cute girl that got on well with Kino. You're supposed to sympathize with her because she literally is "what if Kino made a different choice" As for rewatching value... that's not how it works here. You said it yourself. Knowing some facts beforehand creates more understanding. You do not have to rewatch in order to understand. To use your Kaiba example, you would get all the slight foreshadowing hints spread throughout earlier episodes if you rewatched. But it is not structured in way where you must rewatch to be able to understand the message the show is trying to convey. Here, Kino's backstory should already be established by the time you watch Sakura's story otherwise you cannot understand what the episode is trying to tell you. Literally, there are events missing. The moral of the story cannot be understood with the information available to us. You have to rewatch it to be able to understand it (yeah ok, you understand after seeing the next episode but it's soooooo much weaker than what it could have been is what i'm trying to say) There is no wrong reason, only different ones. And it's mostly not because she is a cute girl that people felt for her, but mostly for her resolve. Also, it's not exactly a "what if Kino made a different choice" because their circumstances and aspirations are way different. But the fact those two episodes were in a row meant you don't need to rewatch them because you can easily do the link between them, if you pay attention to the serie as a all, but if you do not, rewatching in does make sense. You also seem to be under the impression a Kind Land only served as a story for Kino, which is not true at all. That's my point here. There is two sides in this story and both of them are important. Mouloxas said: Djidji said: Having the Land of the Adult first will make you thing about the Kind Land too much as a "remake" of Kino's story and you will do a direct parallel between the two stories. It's like the story would say: This is Kino's backstory and now look the new Kino watching herself in a blurry mirror The way the 17's did it is like: This is the story of Sakura. This is the story of Kino. Did you catch the parallel? Just don't show these two stories in consecutive episodes. Make "Land of Adults" the first episode and "Kind Land" the last episode. Boom. Problem solved. Lerche should hire me. There is no problem to solve tho. |
| Delightful episode. Never thought kino had a past like that. Its sad, next week is the last episode! |
| Is that Kino guy voiced by Daisuke Ono? He sounds so familiar and I swear it's OnoD. :O Finally, a Kino backstory and it was a very dark one. I wonder what's her true name. She named herself after their country's traveler who woke her up with the weird ass policy or whatnot in their country, and as she was about to get killed by her own parents (forfucksake), he saved her. I'm so not okay. The fact that country's mentality with parents owning their children and they can get rid of them if they're against their tradition is just so fucked up. Reminds me of old times in reality. Lmao. I wonder what's that "surgery" they're talking about turning kids turning into adults. Heck, did y'all see that the church is the one who spreads the fucked up mentality in that country? Pfffffft. It sends shivers down my spine. Ugh. Hermes' name was from the Kino's old friend, and it was that Kino guy who fixed Hermes. I'm not okay. Why do the best guys have to go soonest? Jesus. ;-; RIP, ORIGINAL KINO! Thanks for saving our Kino's life. ;-; Excuse me, but let me say that young Kino with that long hair is just so adorable it's too much for my heart.  This anime needs more exposure. A hidden gem this season, tbh. 5/5. <3 P.S. Aoi-chan singing voice this episode is WHOOOOOOOA! I love her so much. :3 |
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Mouloxas said: Djidji said: Also, it's not exactly "what if Kino made a different choice" because their circumstances and aspirations are way different. Aspirations? Maybe. But their circumstances are mostly similar. Girls in the same age, practically the same name, with parents owning a hotel, they meet a traveler named Kino, in a time in their lives when something very important is about to happen, they are given a choice, either stay in their country and die or escape and become a traveler. Sakura stayed, Kino escaped. One wanted to take over her parents'work while the other stated she didn't want to. One had some time to come to a decision and was free to chose with the agreement of her parents (who want her to live) while the other was forced to leave without the consentment of her parents (who want her to die). Everyone died vs One person get killed. Well, that was the main parts of the tragedy (character-wise) which was different. But of course, they share a lot of other factors. Mouloxas said: Djidji said: You also seem to be under the impression a Kind Land only served as a story for Kino, which is not true at all. That's my point here. There is two sides in this story and both of them are important. No, not really, but the main point of "Kind Land" is realizing that the 2 girls are practically mirror images of each other. You can't deny that. And it's not like the series improves on anything by reversing the order of these 2 episodes. It's the exact opposite. It becomes worse. Ok, that is subjective for each viewer, but judging from your posts your biggest problem is the lack of subtlety in the original episode order. So personally, i think nothing would be lost by not being subtle in the only episode that must be "in your face" about all the parallels between Kino and Sakura. That's why i suggested making "Land of Adults" the first episode and "Kind Land" the last episode. By having a big time gap between them, viewers won't be able to make the connection between the 2 characters immediately. It would still be obvious, but not as much compared to seeing the 2 episodes consecutively. I can't deny it its an important point, but I can't say it's the main point. For me, both are as much important, with one being Kino-focused and the other being Country/Sakura-focused. (That's why our opinion differ, because you only think about the first point and ignore the second one.) What I said about the order is meant for when they are display one after the other, and only this case, which was we were talking about. If Land of the Adult were the 1st episode and a Kind Land the last one, I could say people can forget about all the details of the 1st episode when they are watching the last one, so the impact is not as important as it should be. (11 weeks is quite a lot of time after all.) In the end, it's even worse. |
DjidjiDec 16, 2017 9:09 AM
Rio- said: same same i was expecting old kino to like beat them up and drive off with her but damn him going out like that was cray and sakura that name is really lovely enjoyed this eps overall well done wonder how this last one is going to go.Wonderful Episode... I don't watch the Original series yet, but I pretty much like It. Nice backstory for Kino and Hermes. Her country is so messed up, in addition with the allowance of the murder of a child who defy their rules. Also quite shocking when the Original Kino saved her... The songs was pretty relaxing. |
| directing in this episode was really well done like ending scene. think i enjoyed seeing this more after last week |
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| There used to be this theory that Kino's name was indeed Sakura, like the Sakura she met during the 12th episode, but I don't think it's so. I mean, on the 2003 version of that episode, Kino seems to realize something just after hearing Sakura's name and it's like it "clicks" with her. Of course, that can be because it's the same as her: The name of a flower that the kids would change a few words and turn it into an insult. In the end, we still don't know what Kino's real name was and even if that red flower we see exists in real life... This episode's flower looks different from the 2003 version too, so idk. While I'd like to know, maybe the important thing is that now she's Kino and that's who she is in the end. This whole series feels a lot different from the previous anime and while I love the 2003 adaptation a lot, I wouldn't expect it to feel the same really. This is both good and bad, but I'm liking this version too, so far. I think they're doing a great job and I hope we can have a new season... is that even a possibility?? :( Nevertheless, I'm a big Kino no Tabi fan and having a new anime still makes me really happy. I was also reading the manga that started coming out earlier this year and I thought it was weird that Kino's story was right in the beginning... to me, it has a lot more impact if it's shown later, so I'm glad they did this to the anime, instead of following the manga. And I gotta say I like the fact it was placed just after "Yasashii Kuni" because it makes people understand the previous episode better - and I don't think it even needs rewatching tbh. I thought it worked well, but of course, I knew both stories already. I do hope they'll show Shisshou next episode, but judging from the title, I don't think so. Maybe we'll get an OVA like with the first anime? A movie? Or even... a second season?! I'd like something like that, 12 episodes is too short! |
| Seen it. Old series it was ep4... now its 11... well it's only been about 4 Kino episodes anyway... It was pretty much exactly the same as before. |
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Djidji said: There is no wrong reason, only different ones. And it's mostly not because she is a cute girl that people felt for her, but mostly for her resolve. Also, it's not exactly a "what if Kino made a different choice" because their circumstances and aspirations are way different. But the fact those two episodes were in a row meant you don't need to rewatch them because you can easily do the link between them, if you pay attention to the serie as a all, but if you do not, rewatching in does make sense. You also seem to be under the impression a Kind Land only served as a story for Kino, which is not true at all. That's my point here. There is two sides in this story and both of them are important. The irony of this counterargument is that no one is arguing that the Kind Land solely revolves around the parallel to Kino; it's strengthened by it, as do most literary devices. If anything, you're the one that's limiting yourself that a narrative can only have one component or the other. The criticism I'm making isn't just that they re-ordered the episodes to weaken the effects of the parallels, but that they didn't do anything to compensate for it. I shouldn't have to point out what the Kind Land gains by placing the Country of Adults before. Here, you're arguing that placing the Kind Land after makes the parallels more subtle. The thing is your argument doesn't really elaborate past this. In this case, how does being more subtle help? How does it strengthen the narrative? How does it help any of its characters? To me, yes, it makes the parallels harder to see (hence more subtle), but that's all it does; it doesn't compliment or strengthen anything else, which basically makes it pretentious (making something subtle for the sake of being subtle). In other words, my problem with your argument is that you don't actually have any real point. You barely say why switching the episode order is better besides using a weak argument in saying "it's more subtle" while at the same time admitting that the parallel between Kino and Sakura is an important dimension of the episode. You've been strawmanning everyone's arguments by claiming that if someone cares about the parallel between Sakura and Kino, they must not care about anything else, while at the same time failing to see that everything can exist concurrently. Your argument doesn't actually offer anything past saying you're wrong. |
KayBDec 16, 2017 6:00 PM
KayB said: The irony of this counterargument is that no one is arguing that the Kind Land solely revolves around the parallel to Kino; it's strengthened by it, as do most literary devices. If anything, you're the one that's limiting yourself that a narrative can only have one component or the other. The criticism I'm making isn't just that they re-ordered the episodes to weaken the effects of the parallels, but that they didn't do anything to compensate for it. I shouldn't have to point out what the Kind Land gains by placing the Country of Adults before. Here, you're arguing that placing the Kind Land after makes the parallels more subtle. The thing is your argument doesn't really elaborate past this. In this case, how does being more subtle help? How does it strengthen the narrative? How does it help any of its characters? To me, yes, it makes the parallels harder to see (hence more subtle), but that's all it does; it doesn't compliment or strengthen anything else, which basically makes it pretentious (making something subtle for the sake of being subtle). I already answered to that. It's a matter of not having one side of the story overpowering the other. "The parallels between Kino and the girl from Kind Country are imo supposed to be obvious." is where we disagree. KayB said: You've been strawmanning everyone's arguments by claiming that if someone cares about the parallel between Sakura and Kino, they must not care about anything else, while at the same time failing to see that everything can exist concurrently. Either I don't understand your sentence or you misunderstood what I was trying to convey. Anyway, it's not like I have THE answer to your question, it's just how I feel about it. (I also already told you that though) It's what a discussion is about after all. Or should I have added "In my opinion" in the beginning of every sentence I wrote? oO Still waiting for your statement about being lazy. |
DjidjiDec 16, 2017 6:31 PM
Djidji said: Anyway, it's not like I have THE answer to your question, it's just how I feel about it. It's what a discussion is about after all. Or should I have added "In my opinion" in the beginning of every sentence I wrote? oO It's not like I'm looking for an answer, but you also barely offered a discussion because you kept moving around your argument without really having a strong central point. You're entitled to your opinion, imo you just didn't defend it well. Discussion is about explaining an opinion, not just offering it, and I feel like this exchange leaned more towards the latter than the former. |
KayB said: Djidji said: Anyway, it's not like I have THE answer to your question, it's just how I feel about it. It's what a discussion is about after all. Or should I have added "In my opinion" in the beginning of every sentence I wrote? oO It's not like I'm looking for an answer, but you also barely offered a discussion because you kept moving around your argument without really having a strong central point. You're entitled to your opinion, imo you just didn't defend it well. Discussion is about explaining an opinion, not just offering it, and I feel like this exchange leaned more towards the latter than the former. I don't need to defend my opinion because I don't intend to persuade you more than what I wrote because I explained what I had to. My "central point" is balance-wise. If it didn't matter for you, so be it. |
Shocked said:  I disliked the overtly hostile and in-your-face use of screaming and creepy smiles to express how seethingly evil everyone apparently is. I disliked the shaking screen to try and make the scene feel intense, as compounded with everything else, it felt like visual overkill. I disliked how the surgery bomb was dropped so quickly without much build up, despite it being the core issue of the episode. I dislike the over-emphasis on singing, as it takes away from the two Kinos actually conversing. I dislike that church-like scene. The surgery feels more like a brainwashing cult than a country that's implementing a recognized system that, while is completely insane for any foreigner, would be a regular way of life here. The hostilities towards the end of the episode feels more like the effects of said brainwashing than a break in common sense, at least in the views of its citizens. To put it in another way, it would have been more effective if the citizens acted more "normal," for lack of a better word, as to make the sudden flip towards the end feel more impactful. I disliked the way Kino died, as in I disliked the monologue beforehand as well as the father's slow walking. It interrupted the pace of the scene and made the murder feel jarring and stilted. [/rant] My thoughts exactly. |
| Wow, this was a great episode. Thoroughly impressed by this series. I didn't expect any backstory on Kino, and I've pretty much accepted that we wouldn't find out much, so wow, this was a surprise. It was done so well. Did any else notice how the blood on little Kino's face was replicated by the red petal falling in the same place when they flash back to her current self in the field? That was really interesting. |
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Kinekuri said: She used to be a cute girl before eventually turning into a boy. I don't see a problem here.  demision said: Did any else notice how the blood on little Kino's face was replicated by the red petal falling in the same place when they flash back to her current self in the field? That was really interesting. Huh, that's actually a nice touch. I didn't notice that the first time around. |
| i got the mushishi atmosphere |
| Definitely liking this version better than 2003 Kino |
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| I wonder just what is this "surgery" Lel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
| I had no idea it was Kino till it was slowly dawning on me. I could of sworn there was indeed subtle changes going on through each scene even the voice I didn't pick it up it was what sounded like older Kino but low voiced. I also have to agree that putting this episode before the previous one would of been better. What in the world was the director even thinking? TsundeReaper said: I wonder just what is this "surgery" Lel ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Well, since there was a creepy priest in what looked like a church and if we take reality into consideration what has happened to children............ that's probably what the surgery is about. *shiver* |
| Feeling Down? Healing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXr0L4pOnV8 Soothing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT3o_BBH61c Interesting https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UpZnSjMko4 Female? Gotcha covered https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8cOqzku9zA ...yeah |
| 2003 version of Land of Adults is definitely better. In this version "Kino's" parents and especially her father looks like some kind of choleric freak. Ugh.. |
| Well I was hoping for an origin episode and boooy it didn't dissapoint me. Best episode in the whole anime imo. |
Mouloxas said: Both this episode and the previous one have been well handled by Lerche, but i was expecting them to do some AO stuff and have Kino compare her situation with Sakura's story or something among those lines. I still can't understand why they showed these 2 episodes in this order. It makes no sense. It's a shame really, all the emotional impact last week's episode could have had was lost. They turned "alter child Kino died" to "random girl that was nice to Kino died" Thanks for saving me all that typing! |
| This show continues to blow my mind. This show has been my first introduction to the story of Kino, and was NOT expecting, nor was I prepared for, this origin episode. That is so freaking crazy. Wow. Wow. Wow. And gives a new layer of understanding to the subtext from the previous episode, when Kino was talking to Sakura. Wow. wow. wow. I'm sad that next episode is the last episode. However, I am happy to learn that there is the "original series", and will likely watch that, so I can appreciate any differences between that and the new one. I love this series. |
| Best episode of the season, I'm glad I read up and apparently it wasn't all priest like in the other anime. I would of doubted my own memory too much. I knew something felt different, this felt more creepy to me, while the original was more oppressive feeling....well this one was oppressive too but just felt more insane lunatic than I remember. |
| Jaywalker. |
| Reverse trap tomboys are great. |
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IZEROII said: I feel a little disconnect in the eye/hair color for this anime. We have seen Kino with green eyes and hair but in this backstory is portrayed with purple eyes and hair. Idk if I'm overlooking something. I knewww ittt! Idk if this was done on purpose or not... |
| Everyone said this episode was emotional and sad af. I honestly didn't really find it that jarring. Rather, I just have a million questions about that country. They imply it's legit brain surgery that these kids get when they're 12. And that after that the immediately become adults. Do they start working their parents jobs right away? What age do they couple up and have kids (which might also be a forced choice)? What does this surgery entail if every adult has the EXACT same mindset regarding it? There was never anyone who didn't conform after the surgery? Was that candy she was eating actually some kind of pre-surgery prep drug? How are the parent/child relations post surgery? Parent's treat their kids like tools and property prior to them becoming adults, are they on equal terms after becoming an adult or do they still have some kind of dominance over them? I would love to see Kino go back there now unrecognized and just go on a murder spree. |
| This was a very good episode dedicated for the past of what actually happened to Kino! So Kino's country is already messed-up in the first place huh!... Yuuki Aoi really has a great voice range! 5/5. |
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KaRue3 said: JotunheimrLoki said: You do know that this episode was Kino's backstory, right?woah easily best episode from Kino so far. Part of me wish this cute little girl would travel with Kino:D that dude was really cool. Depends which Kino you are talking about: I'm pretty sure there were 2 Kino(s) in this ep, one of them had their backstory done. However at the time male Kino was still alive... little girl had yet to take hes name. Honestly, I imagine that would be hard to miss. |
Hanadai said: A reverse trap~One more episode to be released and I JUST REALISED Kino is a girl... Oh boy. -filler- |
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Tokoya said: I enjoyed this even more than I did in the original anime tbh....Seeing Kino's backstory still hits me deeply This just goes to show how messed up the world of this series is where we have countries like the one she's from that are beyond fucked up Yeah, what a fucked up world :P . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lobotomy |
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