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Dec 19, 2014 2:33 PM
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After finishing the series,I went on mal to check what other people thought of this amazing ending.And to my surprise almost every single person didn't like it.And I really wonder why.From what I get,everyone thought that the second season was just a big filler with which I strongly disagree.First of all a filler is not what they think exactly.
Filler is a segment of anime, whether it be an entire episode or part of one, which does not appear in the manga of the title and is used when the anime is catching up to the manga.Besides that,i get that these people mean that the plot didn't advance but they forget the type of anime this is.Psycho-Pass is not like One Piece for example where they have a main goal and they are trying to reach it.The way I see it,it is more of a police drama anime like ncis(only much much MUCH better)where every season can stand on its own.only being tied by the characters back story and some main plot elements.
Anyways now that we made clear that the second season is not just a filler,I will move on to the next complain that people mentioned which is more of a personal preference thing so I can't change peoples opinions about it and that is the characters.Of course Kamui is not nearly as awesome as Makisima(one of the best villains imo).Still his backstory was extremely interesting and the way they revealed tiny bits of his identity before making the big reveal was really well done.Moving on to Sakuya Tougane he had the best backstory in the whole Psycho Pass series.He was this scientific experiment forced to kill small animals and rewarded for it.Then after being told that his mother is going to leave him he freaking kills her and get's the highest psycho pass ever recorded.Then he keeps on living only to make other people's psycho-pass black so he can satisfy his mother.How bad-ass is that?Well as for Mika Shimotsuki I can't argue that she was an annoying and stupid character but it really represented a big part of society who accept anything the system tells them is right without thinking for themselves and in the end prefers ignorance over the knowledge of something unpleasant which again was something that I found really interesting.
So what is everyone's problem with psycho-pass?Just wondering since I can't find almost anything that is bad about it.Please note that I am not a blind fanboy(even though I probably sounded a bit like one).When a series does something I don't like i will complain about it and when a series stops being interesting I will stop watching it no matter how much I liked it before(for example I have recently stopped fairy tail since this arc is complete bullsh*t),it's just that I really enjoyed the second season of psycho-pass and I wonder why so many people disliked it.
Dec 19, 2014 2:38 PM
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Nothing stops you to liking an anime, so nothing should stops people of disliking an anime.
Dec 19, 2014 2:39 PM
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Praland said:
Nothing stops you to liking an anime, so nothing should stops people of disliking an anime.

Of course.I just wonder what made people dislike it so much.
Dec 19, 2014 2:40 PM
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Dec 19, 2014 3:09 PM
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It's filler because the original writer/animator never planned to make this season. They started work on the movie after finishing season 1. It has had very little effect on the overarching plot. PP2 is pretty much glorified filler.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Dec 20, 2014 9:08 AM
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I think so too! Some people don't like this because there's no Kougami in it. But well, I still wondered why this has a large gap of score with the first season...

black1blade said:
It's filler because the original writer/animator never planned to make this season. They started work on the movie after finishing season 1. It has had very little effect on the overarching plot. PP2 is pretty much glorified filler.

Still, it's a nice series though. The story is decent and I enjoy it. And so should everyone.
Well, I can't stop anyone from disliking this series. So, I guess it's too bad for those people who can't enjoy this series.
Dec 20, 2014 10:59 AM
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Honestly, I did enjoy a few episodes and the OP and ED where the best parts about this show. That said, this is filler.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Dec 20, 2014 12:24 PM
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Of course everyone can dislike what they want. But a lot of people shit on others opinions if they do like it. This is what annoys me.


If you call it a filler it means you could actually skip it and go straight to the movie.

But in S2 Hinakawa and Sugo were introduced. I'll doubt they'll do it again in the movie.
You won't understand why Mika is acting like that.
Also the idea of the collective Psycho-Pass was introduced.
Sibyl is now able to judge itself and is more 'perfect'.
If it was like that to begin with they could have tried to release their system to the world much sooner.

Also if you're following the movie previews you will realize that the Assault Dominator will also be in it.

Overall I do think it had some flaws but they do not concern me that much. While some 'flaws' other people point out can actually be explained (in my opinion).
Dec 20, 2014 12:28 PM
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i enjoyed this season greatly as well. i didn't even realize it was filler
Dec 20, 2014 12:38 PM

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phokingbeast said:
i enjoyed this season greatly as well. i didn't even realize it was filler
Because it isn't.
Dec 20, 2014 12:44 PM

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The only important things are the team members and assault dominator.

Anime is good, fucking deal with it.
Dec 20, 2014 1:40 PM

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That's alright.
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Dec 20, 2014 2:46 PM

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Preytoor said:
Praland said:
Nothing stops you to liking an anime, so nothing should stops people of disliking an anime.

Of course.I just wonder what made people dislike it so much.
I liked this series until episode 10. For me, ending is very important to any story. Especially for a mystery suspense series like Psycho-pass, with a shit ending means overall bad writing.
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Dec 20, 2014 2:57 PM
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bunny1ov3r said:
with a shit ending means overall bad writing.

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Dec 20, 2014 3:15 PM

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What's up with everyone saying the ending sucked? I thought it was awesomely anti-climactic. What, did you really think Kamui was the real villain despite being literally smacked in the face saying he wasn't? And it brought up some interesting philosophical points. It might've been a reset button ending, but it did so in the only way that could lead up to the film. If you want to say the ending is bad, blame Urobuchi and not Ubukata. Oh, but no one's going to blame Urobuchi for anything and Ubukata wrote Hamatora so...

Given, the sequel as a whole was rather trashy, but it was my kinda trashy. The writing in general had taken a step down, but the overall craziness took 10 steps forward. I dunno man, I thought this season was pretty great. It seems people are holding season 1 in extremely high regard because of this season's step down in quality. Season 1 had many problems as well people.
Dec 20, 2014 3:17 PM
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i like the idea of the collective psycho-pass so i enjoyed it
Dec 20, 2014 3:21 PM

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Preytoor said:
Praland said:
Nothing stops you to liking an anime, so nothing should stops people of disliking an anime.

Of course.I just wonder what made people dislike it so much.

It's not that they didn't like it, they probably didn't UNDERSTAND it. Or so it seems by reading some of the reviews here...
Anyway, s1 has been rated by 110k people while s2 did receive only 20k votes so far, so it's still early to talk about the vote gap.
Humans are suspicious and jealous creatures. When they see something perfect, they wanna find a flaw.

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You have much to learn if you have not joined the witch hunt to down vote every anime that rises above our underrated favorites. I am currently on a campaign to get Training with Hinako into the top 12. Shit taste is hard to fight though, it's like trying to talk sense to an army of hallucinating loonies.
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It's hilarious to see morons wasting more time with the series they hate so much than the fans of it.
Dec 20, 2014 6:42 PM
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I liked it aside from 2 key aspects, both of which heavily revolve around the writer mishandling Sibyl.

A) The whole "collective psycho pass" thing seemed extremely pointless. Aside from anyone else that was a modern Frankenstein's monster like Kamui why would that ever be necessary? Sibyl says "Society isn't ready for a collective psycho pass" but why would their society ever need something like that in the first place? It would serve literally no real purpose.

B) Sibyl seemed VERY out of character approaching the end. It simply killed off multiple parts of itself to clear it's own psycho pass without much of a care, and spoke with Akane a little too candidly at the end, like they were best buds or something.

Basically it seemed like the writer didn't have enough grasp on the fundamentals of the Sibyl system and the world of Psycho Pass.

Otherwise it's almost like a popcorn flick, but one you'll probably have to sit through in order to get some back story on new characters and their motives for the upcoming movie. It's enjoyable in it's own way, but not nearly as strong or compelling as the first season.
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Dec 20, 2014 7:48 PM

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NoblePhantaZm said:

A) The whole "collective psycho pass" thing seemed extremely pointless. Aside from anyone else that was a modern Frankenstein's monster like Kamui why would that ever be necessary? Sibyl says "Society isn't ready for a collective psycho pass" but why would their society ever need something like that in the first place? It would serve literally no real purpose.


For your point B, I guess that's your opinion. I thought that was perfectly fine though.

For point A, I thought this "collective Psycho-Pass" thing was probably the most interesting thing coming from this sequel. It isn't talking about judging Frankenstein-type people, but rather judging people as a group like in a cult or something. Individually, these cult members might be harmless, but as a group, they might collectively gain the motive to burn someone alive for example.
Dec 20, 2014 8:05 PM
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Miraclezify said:
For point A, I thought this "collective Psycho-Pass" thing was probably the most interesting thing coming from this sequel. It isn't talking about judging Frankenstein-type people, but rather judging people as a group like in a cult or something. Individually, these cult members might be harmless, but as a group, they might collectively gain the motive to burn someone alive for example.


Yes but if you are active and willingly part of some kind of large group or cult then you're going to share the group's intentions or morals, which would then reflect your individual psycho pass. It doesn't matter if the individual is incapable of completing the task alone, it wouldn't change their desire to do so. A group may be more dangerous as a unit, but Sibyl does not judge on whether or not someone can do something, but rather their mental state and desire TO possibly attempt something.

If the Sibyl system truly wants to work on becoming a perfect system, the first step is not collective or group psycho pass reading, it would be overhauling how it determines one's hue in the first place. The solution would be figuring out why some individuals in a the group are coming up with clear hues, rather than relying on reading people as a group. That's pretty much taking an easy road to cover up a flaw in the system, which is what Sibyl was trying to fix and address by attempting collective reading in the first place.

Edit: Just fixing some grammatical errors.
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Dec 20, 2014 8:38 PM
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NoblePhantaZm said:
B) Sibyl seemed VERY out of character approaching the end. It simply killed off multiple parts of itself to clear it's own psycho pass without much of a care, and spoke with Akane a little too candidly at the end, like they were best buds or something.

Not really. It was given a choice, make the change and judge him and itself, or risk Kamui simply
starting to physically destroy Sybil by himself. Akane made it reasonably clear (although to Sybil
it might have been perfectly clear) that she wouldn't do anything but use the dominator against him.
I think it simply "weighted" the brains and eliminated those that contributed to its own PP.

One of those brains was probably tasked with communicating with her, and it has been said
earlier, they're allowed to keep their own personality etc even when they're in Sybil.
That wouldn't be possible if they're flooded with eachothers memories, so I guess they keep (most of)
that for themselves too. If so it wouldn't really be a surprise if the way it speaks, choice of words,
and so on changes whenever there's a change in who holds the "microphone".
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Dec 20, 2014 8:44 PM
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Not really. It was given a choice, make the change and judge him and itself, or risk Kamui simply
starting to physically destroy Sybil by himself. Akane made it reasonably clear (although to Sybil
it might have been perfectly clear) that she wouldn't do anything but use the dominator against him.
I think it simply "weighted" the brains and eliminated those that contributed to its own PP.

One of those brains was probably tasked with communicating with her, and it has been said
earlier, they're allowed to keep their own personality etc even when they're in Sybil.
That wouldn't be possible if they're flooded with eachothers memories, so I guess they keep that
part for themselves too. If so it wouldn't really be a surprise if the way it speaks, choice of words,
and so on changes whenever there's a change in who holds the "microphone".


I guess you have a point with that, although just the practically peaceful exchange between them, and later on her and the chief seemed pretty off putting when compared to how things ended in season 1. It just didn't seem like enough happened between Akane and the Sibyl system to suddenly have as good of a relationship as the ending implied. But hey, that one really does just come down to opinion. I'm not faulting the season objectively at all when it comes to that.
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I watched the first season when it aired, so I went into Season 2 pretty 'fresh'. Had I watched season 1 and season 2 back to back, my opinion of S2 might have been worse. I enjoyed watching S2 because it had a gradual downward spiral for all the characters losing their shit. I felt the exposition stuff was a little too forced, rather than add on to the show's goodness. I felt the same BGM tunes were rehashed when someone was explaining something or when something insane starts happening. Best way to sum this up is that S2 felt like a low budget OVA compared to the first season. However the psychotic stuff that happens makes it worth a watch.
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I thought it started off pretty well but the ending just ruined it for me. On the other hand, the score for Psycho-Pass S1 has gone up by quite a bit. From when I last saw it, 8.52 -> 8.59.
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NoblePhantaZm said:
I liked it aside from 2 key aspects, both of which heavily revolve around the writer mishandling Sibyl.

A) The whole "collective psycho pass" thing seemed extremely pointless. Aside from anyone else that was a modern Frankenstein's monster like Kamui why would that ever be necessary? Sibyl says "Society isn't ready for a collective psycho pass" but why would their society ever need something like that in the first place? It would serve literally no real purpose.

B) Sibyl seemed VERY out of character approaching the end. It simply killed off multiple parts of itself to clear it's own psycho pass without much of a care, and spoke with Akane a little too candidly at the end, like they were best buds or something.

Basically it seemed like the writer didn't have enough grasp on the fundamentals of the Sibyl system and the world of Psycho Pass.

Otherwise it's almost like a popcorn flick, but one you'll probably have to sit through in order to get some back story on new characters and their motives for the upcoming movie. It's enjoyable in it's own way, but not nearly as strong or compelling as the first season.


But might be a bit hard for some people to rack their brain over something like a "dumb sci-fi flick", like a lot of people deem to call it (it´s not that dumb, though I do agree it´s a "sci-fi flick")

To point A)
Does really NO ONE get it? They even said what the Collective Psycho Pass means for the Sybil System and it´s people during the last episode.
Even if everyone in a Collective Psycho Pass is clear, if the group itself is deemed guilty - everyone in the group/organization aka the Collective Psycho Pass is guilty and thus will be judged.

Now, imagine there is a day, when someone judges the Sybil System based on the system it has established. The Sybil System isn´t just those talking brain jars you´ve seen - the politicians and people wokring in the different bureaus of the Sybil System are a part of it as much as the Inspectors and Enforcers.

In other words - and as I said, this was blatantly said during the episode, why did no one get that? - Akane is Crystal Clear, she´s a role model of this society, according to her Psycho Pass.
But if someone were to judge the Sybil System as a whole and deem the "group" as guilty - Akane would be judged as well, even though she is someone who as a single persona would not be target for enforcement.

So not only can people now be judged as a group - which to make a connection to our world, is comparable to the inquisistion, witch hunts, racism and calling every muslim a terrorist, as it means that if the system and it´s soceity deem a group, organization, ethnicity or a country as dangerous, it does not matter if the individual people of those "groups" are innocent - they´ll be judged based on the Collective Psycho Pass they are made a part of.

Which means crime organizations and terroirst or rebellous cells are easier to judge, as well as with the Sybil System now being able to be brought to "justice" by it´s own judgement, it´s "fairer", but on the other hand it now means that this could lead to a lot of unnecessary judgements and outright massacres.

Now in the movie we learn that the Sybil System is being exported to other countries. Now, with the Collective Psycho Pass being a thing - imagine the Sybil System of another country judges the entire population of another country - and deems it as over 300, thus open for execution - every single person who lives in this country or was born in it, is a criminal that can be executed at will.
Now with technology further evolving, as well as that "Assault Dominator" we´ve seen, imgaine they develope drones that can just swipe in and "dominate" people, grenades or even bombs that "judge" cities, even countries as a whole.

This isn´t about "Frankenstein"-people, this is about singular Sybil System judging groups, ethnicities, religions, countries as one giant Psycho Pass, instead of looking at each individual.
This "small decision", this chagne that Kamui enforced could lead to some horrible massacres, war and more than anything - could lead to the downfall of the Sybil System as a whole.

B) No, it´s not. Didn´t you read about the Omnipotence Paradox or at least keep up with the explanation during the season?
If a being can perform any action, then it should be able to create a task which this being is unable to perform; hence, this being cannot perform all actions. Yet, on the other hand, if this being cannot create a task that it is unable to perform, then there exists something it cannot do.

The most famous example is "Can an omnipotent being create a stone so heavy it cannot lift it?"
Now why would that be a paradox? Well, if this being creates as stone so heavy it cannot lift it, it´s not omnipotent anymore aka it´s not almighty anymore.
But if it cannot create a rock that´s too heavy to lift, it also means that it´s not omnipotent anymore, because it cannot create everything and anything.

A lot of "supporters of the god theory" counter those questions by saying that the paradox assumes a wrong definition of omnipotence. Omnipotence, they say, does not mean that God can do anything at all but, rather, that he can do anything that's possible according to his nature. The distinction is important. God cannot perform logical absurdities; he cannot, for instance, make 1+1=3. Likewise, God cannot make a being greater than himself because he is, by definition, the greatest possible being. God is limited in his actions to his nature.

Or as stated in the season of Psycho Pass 2, another solution would be that the omnipotent being creates a stone it cannot lift and that lowers it´s weight so it can lift it. This means even if he cannot lift the stone, he can use his omnipotent powers to make the stone lighter and thus lift it with his powers - a loophole out of the paradox that does not question it´s omnipotence anymore.

On Sybil´s case, the seek the perfect system, that judges and regulates itself in an objective and flawless matter. Kamui showed the system a huge flaw - and the System sought a solution to nullify that flaw.
By judging itself, creating Collective Psycho Passes and getting rid of elements that would "make the stone heavier than it could lift" it got around the paradox and still maintains it´s "near perfection".
It created a stone that is too heavy to lift, by leaving their Collective Psycho Pass over 300, thus target for enforcement, but made the stone lighter so it could lift it, by getting rid of the elements that makes them get a number in the first place.

So it´s a clever way for them to get out of this predicament, but at the same time, it opened up point A) I explained above.
So it´s interesting to see if this path will lead the Sybil System to perfection, making it an omnipotent system or if it´s the first step toward a cliff that will lead to their destruction.
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Good for you, I guess?
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Compared to the average moi blob anime that gets pumped out for the weebs & neckbeards. It ain't that bad.
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Mika is the one who ruined the show.
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Messed up plot, illogical stuff, rather bland (new) characters and so on. Need i say more about why this season was bad to me?
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well good for you then

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Shimotsuki needs to get a fucking clue. In her being described, she is a stickler for the rules. No, she's a fucking idiot.

Just started Sinners of the System after watching the first movie. 10 minutes in and I already want to punch her dumb face.

The lady drove from hella far away with a memory cube while on some weird, unknown drug and the next morning she freaked out when she realized that they were bringing her back. Shitheadsuki's response, "What's her problem?" HMMMM. Maybe they drug the people there and it is a shitty place to be.

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