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Jul 12, 2020 6:05 PM
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Clearly, this anime had a target for the West because the message it tries to speak about simply leaves the Japanese as fucking racists ... The truth is that it does not surprise me that the nips are canceling Yuasa and science saru for what same

You would say, but that is the point, the anime goes against the Japanese ultra nationalism, and here I will say, DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY ACTED IN THE EARTHQUAKE OF WEST JAPAN? The Chinese and the Japanese worked together humanitarianist to overcome the catastrophe.

This anime is fucking shitty propaganda
Jul 14, 2020 7:56 PM
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And remember guys, "Yuasa dindu nuffin, it wuz Heo's fault"
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Jul 14, 2020 11:52 PM
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What the fuck are you on about? A shit series is a shit series. It has fuck all to do with racism and more to do with:
- Retarded deaths;
- Bad animation and character design;
- The tone deafness of the cast versus what is happening around them;
- The worst Engrish I've heard in years;
- The message of the last episode (Japan Stronk) doesn't fit the rest of the series ((traditional) Japan bad).

Yes, cancel culture is a disgusting (American) thing but this ain't it buddy.
Jul 15, 2020 1:44 AM
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I plan to watch this next. I got a good feeling this is another example of anime fans MAL users being dumb as fuck. This wouldn't be the first time.
I had to change this because some loser couldn't make an actual argument. So....yeah I hope you guys like the new sig.
Jul 15, 2020 4:50 AM
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Badej said:
What the fuck are you on about? A shit series is a shit series. It has fuck all to do with racism and more to do with:
- Retarded deaths;
- Bad animation and character design;
- The tone deafness of the cast versus what is happening around them;
- The worst Engrish I've heard in years;
- The message of the last episode (Japan Stronk) doesn't fit the rest of the series ((traditional) Japan bad).

Yes, cancel culture is a disgusting (American) thing but this ain't it buddy.


ah yes tone-deafness of characters in extreme distress situations. what do you expect of them? cry all day? what a weak criticism, these characters act fairly realistically considering what they go through.
Also thats not engrish, thats just badly acted english you absolute racist.
And why are the deaths r-slurs? Theyre shocking for effect, showing how flimsy a human life can be, expecially in catastrophic situations like these, showing how violent nature can be.
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Jul 15, 2020 5:52 AM
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Badej said:
Yes, cancel culture is a disgusting (American) thing but this ain't it buddy.
A lot of the Japanese backlash it's receiving on social media like Twitter does give a fair amount of importance to the image it gives of Japan, the attitude of Japanese towards disaster, etc. That's what OP is referring to. Even if the anime mostly sucks for pretty much every reason you can think of.
Jul 15, 2020 5:58 AM
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Of course this show was made for a western audience that's why Netflix is allover it. It has nothing to do with racism or propaganda it's just a bad show, there isn't some stupid ulterior motive
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Jul 15, 2020 7:01 AM
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Fluggyboi said:

ah yes tone-deafness of characters in extreme distress situations. what do you expect of them? cry all day? what a weak criticism, these characters act fairly realistically considering what they go through.
Also thats not engrish, thats just badly acted english you absolute racist.
And why are the deaths r-slurs? Theyre shocking for effect, showing how flimsy a human life can be, expecially in catastrophic situations like these, showing how violent nature can be.


You mean, just carrying one with your life as if nothing happened? Like when the dad died? Yes, super realistic.

MSAtlos said:
Of course this show was made for a western audience that's why Netflix is allover it. It has nothing to do with racism or propaganda it's just a bad show, there isn't some stupid ulterior motive

Indeed.
Jul 15, 2020 7:06 AM
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JOBEY-C1 said:

You would say, but that is the point, the anime goes against the Japanese ultra nationalism


Lol what? The anime was steeped in japanese nationalism. Especially the end where Japan still had an olympic team and an e-sports team even though Japan didn't even exist anymore.
Jul 15, 2020 7:34 AM

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Badej said:

You mean, just carrying one with your life as if nothing happened? Like when the dad died? Yes, super realistic.


yeah idk if you ever lost a parent but its not as simple as that. they were absolutely traumatized by everything going on already and they had to carry on. your portrayal of the situation is incredibly surface level and disingenuous lol.
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Jul 15, 2020 7:40 AM

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JOBEY-C1 said:

Lol what? The anime was steeped in japanese nationalism. Especially the end where Japan still had an olympic team and an e-sports team even though Japan didn't even exist anymore.


there was a sense of japanese pride but also critique of blind nationalism, the "japanese only float" scene shouldve made that clear to you.
Its a fairly japanese way of portraying positive nationalism in this show and it may look clumsy from a western perspective. the rap scene made it fairly clear. the half japanese half philipino boy hated japan for its flaws and the older full japanese runner boy portrayed a more positive way of thinking about japan and its quirks (with a cringy "if you dont like it get out" line at the end).
then the main girl talked about nations being largely irrelevant and the importance of the people closest to you mattering way more and i think that was the position the work wanted us to take away ultimately (while also letting other opinions be heard).
again, this is comes from a japanese culture quite different and divorced from our western social sensibilities so it might feel kinda iffy but its just that, different.
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Jul 15, 2020 8:02 AM

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can somebody please translate whatever the fuck this man said.

i cannot tell if he is an actual japanese nationalist or being ironic
Jul 15, 2020 8:15 AM

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gintokisbicep said:
can somebody please translate whatever the fuck this man said.

i cannot tell if he is an actual japanese nationalist or being ironic


what man could you possibly refer to, please clearly say who you mean.
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Jul 15, 2020 9:23 AM

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Fluggyboi said:
gintokisbicep said:
can somebody please translate whatever the fuck this man said.

i cannot tell if he is an actual japanese nationalist or being ironic


what man could you possibly refer to, please clearly say who you mean.



.....op. who else would i be referring to.
Jul 15, 2020 9:27 AM

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gintokisbicep said:
Fluggyboi said:


what man could you possibly refer to, please clearly say who you mean.



.....op. who else would i be referring to.


why would you refer to them with masculinum, they even say theyre non-binary on their profile
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Jul 15, 2020 9:44 AM

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Fluggyboi said:
gintokisbicep said:



.....op. who else would i be referring to.


why would you refer to them with masculinum, they even say theyre non-binary on their profile


you realise it's slang right??? "mans" can refer to anybody, no matter the gender. same way people say bruh or bro or whatever. wasnt trying to be transphobic or anything, just british slang mate.
Jul 15, 2020 9:53 AM

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gintokisbicep said:
Fluggyboi said:


why would you refer to them with masculinum, they even say theyre non-binary on their profile


you realise it's slang right??? "mans" can refer to anybody, no matter the gender. same way people say bruh or bro or whatever. wasnt trying to be transphobic or anything, just british slang mate.


i wasnt trying to imply transphobia on your part or anything, i was just confused who you were refering to (and worried it was me lol)
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Jul 15, 2020 12:07 PM

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Badej said:
What the fuck are you on about? A shit series is a shit series. It has fuck all to do with racism and more to do with:
- Retarded deaths;
- Bad animation and character design;
- The tone deafness of the cast versus what is happening around them;
- The worst Engrish I've heard in years;
- The message of the last episode (Japan Stronk) doesn't fit the rest of the series ((traditional) Japan bad).

Yes, cancel culture is a disgusting (American) thing but this ain't it buddy.


-The deaths aren't retarded....you must not watch a lot of tragedy.
-Tone deafness? uh no.....
-I am watching the dub so I don't know anything about this but it is usually not very good in anime.
-This coming from a MAL user with 7 posts to his name, I am going to call bullshit.

Also the animation and artwork isn't bad. This show is jsut mroe realistic to your usually anime and it is actually very well done. You're looking at actual Japanese people for once.
I had to change this because some loser couldn't make an actual argument. So....yeah I hope you guys like the new sig.
Jul 15, 2020 12:13 PM

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Unowen said:
Badej said:
Yes, cancel culture is a disgusting (American) thing but this ain't it buddy.
A lot of the Japanese backlash it's receiving on social media like Twitter does give a fair amount of importance to the image it gives of Japan, the attitude of Japanese towards disaster, etc. That's what OP is referring to. Even if the anime mostly sucks for pretty much every reason you can think of.
He's wrong and Japanese people are quick to get butthurt if you make Japan look bad in the same vein as China. You need to know about Japan for this show to really understand it. This what I get looking up this country years back.

Japanese people are extremely prideful and honorable. Japanese peopel are very nationalistic. They are super patriots similar to some republicans here in America. They love their country and think its perfect. They have used anime before to push certain forms of propaganda for example in retsuko season 2 they legit have a message begging Japanese people to have kids at the end of it. So yeah.....they are also heavy isolated as msot don't leave outside of Japan for their whole life.

I have done too much research on this before and this show is so on the fucking mark, it's fucking scary how accurate it is. I bet if someone makes a show exposing all of the shit about America, people here would be fucking pissed off. This show requires lots of context and knowing Japan to really understand it and in some cases, enjoy it.
I had to change this because some loser couldn't make an actual argument. So....yeah I hope you guys like the new sig.
Jul 15, 2020 2:09 PM

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MasterHavik said:
Unowen said:
A lot of the Japanese backlash it's receiving on social media like Twitter does give a fair amount of importance to the image it gives of Japan, the attitude of Japanese towards disaster, etc. That's what OP is referring to. Even if the anime mostly sucks for pretty much every reason you can think of.
He's wrong and Japanese people are quick to get butthurt if you make Japan look bad in the same vein as China. You need to know about Japan for this show to really understand it. This what I get looking up this country years back.

Japanese people are extremely prideful and honorable. Japanese peopel are very nationalistic. They are super patriots similar to some republicans here in America. They love their country and think its perfect. They have used anime before to push certain forms of propaganda for example in retsuko season 2 they legit have a message begging Japanese people to have kids at the end of it. So yeah.....they are also heavy isolated as msot don't leave outside of Japan for their whole life.

I have done too much research on this before and this show is so on the fucking mark, it's fucking scary how accurate it is. I bet if someone makes a show exposing all of the shit about America, people here would be fucking pissed off. This show requires lots of context and knowing Japan to really understand it and in some cases, enjoy it.
That's cool and all (even if I don't think you need any deep knowledge about Japan to get this message that is spoon-feed in your mouth) but I'm not sure how is that a reply to what I posted. I'm precisely referring to the comments in Japanese from Twitter, in which obviously you see people that got personally offended for the depiction of the country (for similar reasons as the one you mention). So no, all in all I'm not surprised at them posting about such things despite the show blowing in every other aspect imaginable.
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Jul 21, 2020 8:22 PM
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This thread is toxic. Everything wrong with the internet in one place.

I'm only 4 episodes in, but I must agree that the characters react to death abnormally. Yes, this is an extremely traumatizing situation. Yes, often times in real life and during difficult periods we stuff our feelings down and force ourselves to move forward. We pretend to be happy to give others strength. But none of that is conveyed in this show. You are filling in the blanks yourself. The only character who really acts this way so far is Koge. I'm not counting the daughter's tantrum because it was handled so poorly.

It would have been very easy to show a pensive, silent but emotional scene acknowledging the tragedy that just happened. Or to slow things down further and have the characters talk a bit, really let us get inside their heads. It's reasonable for the daughter to feel responsible for the other people's deaths, but she cries for a few seconds over each one and then moves on immediately. Better shows handle this by portraying a conflicted, negative, or determined tone. Here bad things happen, the characters frolic through flowers, and then more bad things happen. Nothing really feels heavy or connected. There's no real sense of dread or sadness. It's relying entirely on the audience filling in the appropriate emotional subtext. There are many other terrible shows like this that people defend from any and all criticism, but they all suffer the same flaw. BAD WRITING. Fact is, you could convey as much without any spoken words. Other shows and movies do it all the time. If a show spoon feeds you its plot and message, but forces you to do all the heavy lifting in interpreting it into what people seem as the "correct" context... It's just poorly written. Feel free to like it. It's quite hilarious to me so far. But it's still poorly written. And that's okay.
Jul 22, 2020 12:06 PM
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I'm way late to the discussion;

Just watched this on a whim, with high hopes; and finished it with an after thought. It felt like every thing that happened was far to cliche to make expect anything realistic. Some points:

#1) Unrealistic panic to the point of mass murdering people after a big earthquake far too many times. The old man attempting to kill family for no rational reason was very extreme. Attempted car jackings, etc.
#2) Cliche multiple male rapists. In what fucking world does a woman get attempted rape multiple times in a day/week. If it's that bad, then cut your hair and dress in men's cloths; because you have no fucking tits.
#3) Invented racist people with irrational agendas. Made the show worse. WHY?
#4) Video game RPG scenes. Absolutely out of place, dilusional and doesn't belong in this show. Ugh!
#5) The ending comfirms everyone's suspicions. This show was designed around an ideology. The developers team were paid to make a Pro-Cancer Ideology show. They wrote the story to promote their propaganda: "all men are rapists", "all men are racist", "special olympic disabled mentally and physically people are the winners", and more shit. I'm surprised this didn't focus on LGBTQ too.
#6) Women has magical powers to contact the dead and is confirmed psychic several times.
#7) Life raft and boat magically drift together after one day. MAGIC RIGHT?
#8) That is a one in a trillion chance of happening. Kite finds a aphib-tank at the Phukou Japanese Base nearby, and magically gets the keys to it. MAGIC RIGHT?

The only PRO is it was in English. I watched this show in the background after the 4th episode. I may have missed something cause I wasn't paying attention. Did I miss the LGBTQIA couple in the background? Did I miss the black kid being oppressed by these racist cis men? Let me know, thanks!

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