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Jan 10, 2021 8:59 PM
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Looks like Yo is having some conflicted feelings. No idea where this will go from here but it’s quite weird.
Jan 11, 2021 6:42 AM
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Finalmente algo aconteceu entre eles, pensei que não fosse dar em nada e agora parece que Mitani sente algo pelo Yo, sinceramente to gostando muito dessa obra
Jan 11, 2021 2:08 PM
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Not Mitani acting like she's growing fond of Yo as if she's not just harboring antagonism towards the entire Kei situation...
Jan 14, 2021 5:27 AM
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I feel oddly bad for kei even though he is toying with yo's feelings like that.
Feb 18, 2021 1:58 PM
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musashi-ez- said:
perverse trap, most gays have a greater perverse tendency but all men in general do, and kei has a perverted side and only became a woman to be with yo, and I feel that many trans people also do this for aesthetics


Plain example of the transphobia conveyed by the manga, if some of you had some doubt if it was transphobic or not at this point :

-> Trans woman depicted as a man even though she's supposed to have transitioned to the point of being allowed of having a female uniform in high school, which is really hard to do, she probably should be on puberty blockers at this point, thus probably have some breasts.
-> She is depicted as perverted, ok we all know this is an Oshimi manga but this is way too much.
-> Not only she is that, she's SEXUALLY ASSAULTING both the other boy and the other girl. ("Trans woman = sexual predator")
-> She's also depicted TRAPPING the heterosexual boy into having sex with her ("even though she's a man") ("Trans woman = lying manipulating perverse gay man")
-> There is a voluntary obfuscation of identities : cis gay man / crossdresser / femboy / trans woman, even though like I explained before, she can only be a trans woman, she would not be able to wear a female uniform at school otherwise.
Apr 17, 2021 4:02 PM
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Zeloft said:

-> Trans woman depicted as a man even though she's supposed to have transitioned to the point of being allowed of having a female uniform in high school, which is really hard to do, she probably should be on puberty blockers at this point, thus probably have some breasts.
-> She is depicted as perverted, ok we all know this is an Oshimi manga but this is way too much.
-> Not only she is that, she's SEXUALLY ASSAULTING both the other boy and the other girl. ("Trans woman = sexual predator")
-> She's also depicted TRAPPING the heterosexual boy into having sex with her ("even though she's a man") ("Trans woman = lying manipulating perverse gay man")
-> There is a voluntary obfuscation of identities : cis gay man / crossdresser / femboy / trans woman, even though like I explained before, she can only be a trans woman, she would not be able to wear a female uniform at school otherwise.


I completely agree with that, except I'm not sure if her sexually assaulting Yo was strictly transphobic. That was just how Oshimi characters always act like.

The scene was horryfing, though.
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Jan 7, 2022 6:43 PM
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This chapter was kinda crazy. In fact, it says quite a bit about everything. Kei here is so broken it's unbelievably, dude doesn't interact like a normal person and indeed makes situations way out of control. Kinda reminds me of Mei from Citrus, only this level is extreme. Idk wth happened to Kei in life, but the dude is in some deep shit to go that far with others. I really do think that if a bad ending plays out, Yo gonna be lost to the world of lust.

This chapter kinda got me thinking tho. How is Kei gonna wanna help Yo to practice for the sake of bettering his experience with Mitani, and also be the same person in earlier chapters to say ditch "man" ideals and traditions associated with them. Kinda odd to me. Maybe it is part of the lost cause? Dunno for sure.
Jan 27, 2023 2:49 PM
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yea im dropping ts
Nov 26, 2023 9:18 AM
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This is really good so far - I get fans of Oshimi *could* find it repetitive because it a similar set-up to Flowers of Evil, however, I think the writing is a lot less obvious, and more importantly, far more human.

I can really get where these emotional bonds are being formed and the struggle of sexuality and love amid the confusion of coming of age is stellar. Loving this so far.
Dec 17, 2023 10:18 PM

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Very sus and somehow still a kinda wholesome chapter, I guess lol.
May 26, 2024 12:06 AM

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He's definitely conflicted. Let's see how it goes from here...

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