Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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mczprk said: Okeanix said: You know Re:Zero is Fantasy Drama before than Thriller right? You kinda forgot Re:Zero is 8 Season Series and main character development is very important. This buildup is not just for this arc alone. You want Subaru to die every episode? This time you will complain there is no progression. So people can complain anything ever happens, you can't make everyone happy. Character development is always welcome, but this one has been dragging for way too long. And, yes, this is a Drama and Fantasy anime as well, but just take a look at season 1. It had Drama, Fantasy, insane character development with Subaru, and still, the suspense left you on the edge of your seat in almost every single episode. When was the last time we had that? I'd say in the episode that Beatrice died and Roswaal and Subaru got eaten by the bunnies, that was almost 6 months ago...Now I went from asking myself, "Will Subaru or anyone that he cares about die?", "How will he be able to get himself out of this impossible situation?", "Who killed him, and how much did he go back in time?" to "Will Emilia cry, again?", "Will Emilia be able to look herself in the mirror?", "How many times will I have to hear "Fortuna okaa-sama" this episode?. As I said, this part 2 is a slice of life, and a bad one at that with bad pacing and structure. You're setting false expectations for yourself, if it wasn't already made obvious by the show, this is obviously the winning loop, and Subaru won't be dying anytime soon, it would be very poor choice writing wise if he did after all the progress, but you ignore this and keep insisting on yourself that he will die, and waiting for something that's never going to come, you're like Beatrice waiting for that person that doesn't exist, except your conscious of it but choose to ignore it. This arc is structured to be setup in the first half and payoff in the second. Subaru isn't going to die every single Episode, does Subaru being stuck in one loop count as "dragging" for you? And him dying is progression? One of the biggest complaints of Part 1 was that it was very repetitive and that it had very little progression to the overall plot, Subaru basically starting from Episode 5 went on a death spree until the end of the season without achieving anything close to saving everyone, also I think you don't know what Slice of life means... Just because a show is dialogue heavy doesn't make it slice of life, I don't even know how you got to that conclusion. |
GilgameshuuMar 5, 2021 4:33 AM
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mczprk said: Gilgameshuu said: You're setting false expectations for yourself, if it wasn't already made obvious by the show, this is obviously the winning loop, and Subaru won't be dying anytime soon, it would be very poor choice writing wise if he did after all the progress, but you ignore this and keep insisting on yourself that he will die, and waiting for something that's never going to come, you're like Beatrice waiting for that person that doesn't exist. This arc is structured to be setup in the first half and payoff in the second. Subaru isn't going to die every single Episode, does Subaru being stuck in one loop count as "dragging" for you? And him dying is progression? One of the biggest complaints of Part 1 was that it was very repetitive and that it had very little progression to the overall plot, Subaru basically starting from Episode 5 went on a death spree until the end of the season without achieving anything close to saving everyone, also I think you don't know what Slice of life means... Just because a show is dialogue heavy doesn't make it slice of life, I don't even know how you got to that conclusion. Yes, this is the winning loop, obviously. You don't seem to understand that I'm not in need of Subaru dying, I'm in need of any goddamn suspense, tension. The suspense was season 1's high point, and it was what made episode 11 of season 2 one of the best in the series. Now it's been 6 months of slow, dragged out, and overall boring chatting and character development for the mediocre character that is Emilia. And when you finally think we'll be switching to a faster pace, they cut it for even more unnecessarily long and dragged out Emilia content. It's like Neverland making a season 2 with zero suspense so they fully develop a more boring version of Emma, meh. Honestly, if the pace wasn't so slow and the structure so bad (like cutting this episode into two completely different parts) I wouldn't mind all of this, but this is quite frustrating at the moment. See? You don't care for Emilia so you don't care for her development, that is the problem. This season has been focusing heavily on her, so if you don't like her, you will naturally not like this season, most people thought Emilia was a very bad character in season 1 but many people have started to gain more appreciation for her character this season, most of the replies by people are positive, I don't know how you think Emilia is still a "mediocre" character but different strokes for different folks I guess. |
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iHope said: Honestly WhiteFox has abandoned the show at this point for Mushoku Tensei, compared to season 1 season 2 animation and art has been horrible and the fact that the anime is dropping in popularity across many different polls like reddit karma and anime corner and many youtubers that reacted to it now abandoing it shows it. I am a huge fan of the novel and honestly WhiteFox should just hand the anime over to someone who will give it a proper adaptation. Wtf? Where did you even get that assumption from? They're literally making 30 minute episodes... The lack of animation is simply due to some staff present in season 1 not returning for season 2. You must be trolling right? Because I have not seen such an ignorant claim. |
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| Another 29 minutes of Greatness... Garfiel vs Elsa Sakuga was 🔥 The Soundtrack is the MVP as always... Second Trial done, i wonder why Echidona crying and saying that? Damn the cliffhanger, right before she start the final trial... Also, what is this hate all about??? Y'all hating Season 2 Part 1 because of you Hate Emilia??? This is ridiculous... But hey, the lost in on you....not me I'm definitely enjoying every episode of it |
davidyodo24Mar 5, 2021 7:29 AM
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iHope said: davidyodo24 said: Another 29 minutes of Greatness... Garfiel vs Elsa Sakuga was 🔥 The Soundtrack is the MVP as always... Second Trial done, i wonder why Echidona crying and saying that? Damn the cliffhanger, right before she start the final trial... Also, what is this hate all about??? Y'all hating Season 2 Part 1 because of you Hate Emilia??? This is ridiculous... But hey, the lost in on you....not me I'm definitely enjoying every episode of it I love Re Zero the story the characters the world all drew me in from the start i dont hate anyone its just that i feel like WhiteFox isint making Re Zero season 2 their main focus the voice acting and soundtrack are 10/10 like in season 1 simply amazing but the animation and art are clearly worse i wont say that all of it was worse as there were moments that were done well but most of it is much lower quality than season 1. One example that really disapointed me was how they did Hector he just felt so underwelming compared to the novel and didnt have any impact at all, i wish they did him like they did Pandora who i thought was done well. Also i always liked Emilia as a character her development is some of the best in this show. Well if you read the LN, surely you will have expectation...then will feel disappointed if it wasn't lift it up to... Fair enough.. |
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| This episode could've been better here and there i guess, but i think people are complaining way too much. There's so much hate here it almost felt like a Mushoku Tensei thread for a second wtf |
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| Nice fight action between Garf & Elsa...but I think Elsa isn't even trying or not serious...2nd half was BOOOOORING!!! |
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| Another masterpiece of an episode when it comes to visual beauty and direction. The few bits from the movie were also a nice touch. I'm glad the author didn't skim on the Present & Future trials as I suspected he might. If you have told me, before this season came along, that Emilia's side of the story would be more compelling than Subaru's at any point, I wouldn't have believed you. |
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| Ok, let's break it in some parts... ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: Well, you see, there are two types of narrative used in most books, plays, movies and even anime: existentialist-ly or lyrically. The first form is established with chronicles authors from the 1800s with the dawn of romantic literature and the rise of Realist movement. It's also the case that the whole world was changing with events such as Enlightenment movement, Industrial Revolution, WW1 and WW2... In middle of all that, the romantic phase ceased to give place to Realism, which gave birth, in middle of these events and even moved them in some way, the EXISTENTIALIST philosophy. So they completely obliterated the old form of conveying, which the Enlighten usually seen as "romantic". Realist and after existentialist literature and other stories alike are focused in a very verisimilar development of the characters, depicting all of their angst and joy from life through methodically building up true-like situations in details, so all readers can fully project themselves in as it was happening to them directly, however it might build niche'd narratives only. You can even search for the praise Fyodor Dostoyevsky received from Sigmund Freud, the same one who inspired Hideaki Anno on making the psychoanalysis points in Evangelion. I think Breaking Bad is also inspired in that way, as most great American and British TV series tend to do. The thing is that it's not the only way you can tell a story. Lyrics, songs, old chronicles, they all come from epics of old mythology... They are all told and spoken in lyrical structure. It works with archetypical references (Carl Jung vibes here) mixed with (1) epic deeds from the main characters, which can withstand the status quo barrier and do something greater than it's expected from them; (2) and with musical/lyrical poetry. The most common structure is called "The Monomyth" a.k.a "The Hero's Journey", as Joseph Campbell once described, although it's not followed in all cases. Over the years, that form of composition suffered several changes, as it's more seen nowadays as only the "referential narrative", as I would call it, which essentially means that it's not interested in develop all characters as human beings and rather as avatars of a deeper meaning that might be in the collective consciousness, so they are appealing to most everyone, since it can be understood in an universal "language" rather than focusing in a specific problem that only regionals can relate to. Although I might say that some realists/existentialist authors could achieve the same deed, fusing it's heavily developed characters in an epic scenario. situation or even world crisis, such as the mentioned before, Dostoyevsky and Anno. What does Re:Zero do? I do think that Subaru carries the weight of the world and gets rolled over every time, as Sisyphus does, because of Return by Death, so he's more an existentialist character. Contrary to him, I think most characters in Re:Zero serves more of a way of dealing with archetypical emotions, situations and trauma that people might get in, so they are mostly avatars to me that eventually can be more personified as the anime goes. The "melodramatic" parts, as you described, are to tell us more about these characters and get us not only to know them, but how different people from Subaru would deal with similar problems regarding being hold by the past, dissatisfied with the present and too anxious about the future. So Re:Zero mix these two kinds of narrative all at once, not as many good anime do, but quite like them (Subaru is in an epic world, so he has to deal with archetypical characters and situations that are way above his control, but these archetypes are way verisimilar to human beings and real situations than your typical adventure/isekai anime). So I don't think expecting greatly developed characters right the way would be a smart choice. It'd be rather great to appreciate the message behind the scenarios presented to you so far in the show and having some characters growing great, just as Emilia is doing. Although I suspect that she's getting quite cocky because of Subaru's and villagers' cheers, so it may be interesting to see if the third test can really breaks at least a little of all that optimistic turn of events we've been seen thus far since the start of Season 2 Part 2. First off, I want to thank you for being polite. The few times I have posted on anime discussion, I have been bombarded with condescending replies, because of my negative opinions. However, I am confused by much of your post: I tried looking up what existential storytelling refers to. Based on your post, I assumed that existential storytelling refers to a different type of storytelling; not the philosophy of existentialism, which basically states, "Life has no meaning, but we can create our own meaning." However, I haven't found any sources that explains existential storytelling as a form of storytelling. Rather, existential storytelling implies that the story refers to the philosophy of existentialism. Regarding lyrical storytelling, I haven't found a source on Google that specifies what exactly lyrical storytelling is; other than it referring to storytelling in songwriting. I can understand why Re: Zero can be seen as a kind of epic; since it's very fantasy based. But that's the only connection I see it to being an epic. You're welcome! I'm used to get mistreated around the Internet as well for my out-there opinions, so I've soon learnt we should to cultivate good talk with people who wish to dialogue. About the storytelling thing, I recommend you look up to Romantic and Realism literary movements, and everything that came after that if you can. I quoted existentialism because of the philosophy itself, but you won't find a simple answer like that simply cause what the philosophers do after Greece, especially 16th century onwards, is explore ideas in their books, then other artists and scholars gets them and incorporates them in their work, and it slowly spreads to a broader audience through media, art and even market, so it's tough to identify a single literary movement called "existentialist" because since Realism came from, most popular stories of the West utilizes it in some way or another. So rather than a simple technique, what I called "existentialist storytelling" is more of a philosophy that permeates artists, so they will write "real characters and situations" based on the Realist style of writing and considering struggles in a well-defined, detail-focused and mostly materialistic point-of view. Well, about the connection between Re:Zero and epic narratives I'll tell you soon enough. ViktorLocke said: "(1) epic deeds from the main characters, which can withstand the status quo barrier and do something greater than it's expected from them" But that's most main characters in story in general; most protagonists in storytelling tend to do greater things than they are expected to do. In some Realist stories, the status quo can be shaken, but it's so strong that it's not really changed, so the finale tends to be a tragedy, engulfing the main character and don't letting him or her change anything... Or if it's not a sad ending, it might be of a accepting the reality one, just conforming to the norm. ViktorLocke said: "(2) and with musical/lyrical poetry. The most common structure is called "The Monomyth" a.k.a "The Hero's Journey", as Joseph Campbell once described, although it's not followed in all cases." I think it's safe to say most anime that are about something out of our reality; such as fantasy, supernatural, tend to follow the hero's journey. I don't understand how this connects to Re: Zero in a meaningful way. It's here just to say Re:Zero is creative enough to not follow this pattern. However it follows other archetypical structures, especially when we look to the characters, as I'll soon explain. ViktorLocke said: (...) "Although I might say that some realists/existentialist authors could achieve the same deed, fusing it's heavily developed characters in an epic scenario. situation or even world crisis, such as the mentioned before, Dostoyevsky and Anno." I don't understand what Re: Zero has anything to do with existentialism; the world that Subaru inhabits very much has meaning; society functions normally, for the most part. It's not a dark apocalyptic landscape of any sort. "What does Re:Zero do? I do think that Subaru carries the weight of the world and gets rolled over every time, as Sisyphus does, because of Return by Death, so he's more an existentialist character." I don't understand how you can compare Subaru to Sissyphus; because Sissyphus is cursed to roll a boulder up a hill, only for it to come back down, forever; yet he has to continue doing the exact same thing, over and over again, with no different results. That is the embodiment of absurdism. Again, I don't understand how Subaru represents exisentialism in any way; the world around him, his life, clearly had meaning from the get go. Existentialism is not about life or anything has no meaning... It's nihilism. Some existentialists, like Sartre and Nietzsche, can be nihilists, but the existentialist philosophy is concerned with the meaning itself. So they are in dialogue with the nihilists. To put it in perspective, while most nihilists would not see any intrinsic meaning in their lives and search it as they go, the existentialist would question even that, saying it's a bold assumption. Its research is about the struggles and sorrow in an individualistic perspective, trying to search meaning in a world that seems to be devoid of meaning. So it's beyond nihilism in a way, because it recognizes that the human mind is capable of finding joy and taking responsibilities, even though there is so much sorrow and reasons to not have a solid faith in the transcendent and other people. Summarizing, it's the study of the individual search of meaning and assuming responsibilities through a world seemingly nihilist. It's also about taking responsibilities by your own and defying your will to be idle, even though the day-to-day life can be seem as meaningless, boring, unworthy of giving any effort to be better... Well, Subaru's journey is about self-discovery and also finding purpose to improve himself and save the ones which are important to him. Coming to terms with his past and taking care of himself better, building good relationship with people and valuing yourself more are pretty much elements of an existentialist narrative, if I have to say. Sisyphus represents Return by Death in my analogy, as the rock represents his own life, values, people he cares about and everything, so every time he dies, he has to start all over again (from a checkpoint). Although both Subaru and Sisyphus are cursed, in my opinion, Subaru has the chance in advance in his life if he makes good choices and improve himself. In that regard, he approaches Atlas more than Sisyphus, as right now he can ask for help to hold the sky. Sisyphus curse, as Return by Death, can also represent the day-to-day life. It doesn't matter how much you repeat, how much it changes in details: if you can't take charge of your own life, it'll be meaningless, boring, heavy, sorrowful, sad, depressing... You won't be able to take it. So I think a good lesson we can take from Re:Zero is that you can be in another world, you can change your life dramatically, by luck or trying hard, but if you don't really live... It'll be the same as dying every day, every loop. You say, a day represents a sequence of astrological events that occur every 24h approx. A week is a group of seven days; a month, 30 days or roughly 4 weeks; a year, 12 months, roughly 52 weeks, 365 days. All of them loops every since the beginning of time. In some way, Return by Death or Sisyphus' curse represent the hell loop it's to live, however Re:Zero goes further as getting "the most convenient scenario" that is popular nowadays, that being an isekai, and showing that's not enough to really be happy. The environment matters, but oneself as well in order to be happy. ViktorLocke said: "Over the years, that form of composition suffered several changes, as it's more seen nowadays as only the "referential narrative", as I would call it, which essentially means that it's not interested in develop all characters as human beings and rather as avatars of a deeper meaning that might be in the collective consciousness, so they are appealing to most everyone, since it can be understood in an universal "language" rather than focusing in a specific problem that only regionals can relate to." I don't understand how a character can appeal to more people, by behaving less as a person, and more of a theme. (...) "Contrary to him, I think most characters in Re:Zero serves more of a way of dealing with archetypical emotions, situations and trauma that people might get in, so they are mostly avatars to me that eventually can be more personified as the anime goes." What kind of archetypical emotions? The characters' issues in Re: Zero are quite out there, and different from our reality. For example, Beako's whole promise schtick that she stuck with for years, I don't understand how this parallels to reality? Plenty of great stories portray each of their characters as representing something; but they do so while developing them as people. "The "melodramatic" parts, as you described, are to tell us more about these characters and get us not only to know them, but how different people from Subaru would deal with similar problems regarding being hold by the past, dissatisfied with the present and too anxious about the future." That's the thing; I don't need to watch the characters monologue for 5 minutes about their crisis's to understand the basic gist of their problems. For example, when Emilia monologued about how much she wants to be like everyone else she met, by going through every character, she could've easily just said, "I want to be strong like the other people I've met," while the anime would show a quick visual montage of the other characters. Re: Zero seems to love to indulge in its dialogue; I can't help but feel the writer wasn't told, or didn't consider, cutting out any of the fat from the original draft of the dialogue. "So Re:Zero mix these two kinds of narrative all at once, not as many good anime do, but quite like them (Subaru is in an epic world, so he has to deal with archetypical characters and situations that are way above his control, but these archetypes are way verisimilar to human beings and real situations than your typical adventure/isekai anime)." How are they similar to actual people? The characters in Re: Zero are very quirky, and their situations are far beyond reality. For example, Subaru constantly yells, strikes poses, particularly in season 1. This isn't how a normal human being acts; this is how a cartoon character acts. Rem and Ram would constantly finish each other's sentences. Ram is ridiculously stoic, and condescending to Subaru for absolutely no reason. " So I don't think expecting greatly developed characters right the way would be a smart choice. It'd be rather great to appreciate the message behind the scenarios presented to you so far in the show and having some characters growing great, just as Emilia is doing. Although I suspect that she's getting quite cocky because of Subaru's and villagers' cheers, so it may be interesting to see if the third test can really breaks at least a little of all that optimistic turn of events we've been seen thus far since the start of Season 2 Part 2." I don't think a story's message matters, if I don't care about the execution of that message. And the message is kind of monologued, in this episode, with how Subaru told Beatrice to stop focusing on the past. And how in the previous episodes, Roswaal was constantly criticized directly by the other characters for sticking to the past. Emilia is the only character I think, who wasn't a victim of a psychoanalysis monologue. You see, your questions here are the most common to many current "critics" throughout press media, social media etc. However it'd be very strange to ask those questions in the past. The reason why it's the case is that things like psychoanalysis, as you said before, psychology, realism, existentialism, nihilism and even counter-culture movements, every one of them born from Enlightenment, took away from people's minds most of the meaning behind lyric expression such as metaphors, analogies, allegories, anaphors, myths etc. All of those examples are the true power of any language and piece of narrative: you can convey any idea or object without telling or demonstrating literally what it is. Realism is a movement that takes all of these figures of speech and take them out of the window. Why? Because it's only concerned with describing either dementia moments or really grounded, down-to-earth, materialistic situations, creating an addiction to many people nowadays to that approach. ViktorLocke said: I don't think a story's message matters, if I don't care about the execution of that message. Yes, it's an unhealthy addiction because it kills all the imagination, all the creativity to think outside the box, out of your own world and yet be able to learn from "fiction", so you can apply something later in your life or when you're solving problems to others. It also kills the whole purpose of creating and telling a story. You see, you're addicted to a type of storytelling and excluding others from your horizon simply because you can't take characters driven by the author by their purpose more than moved by only their whim and hardships in a vacuum. Although I do care about the "execution of that message", I think it could be different ways to look to the same subject. You can use fantastic scenarios to talk about mundane problems which seems impossible to solve to ourselves, but dumb to others (the last conversation between Beako and Subaru is an example of that). Epic narratives are just an example of poetic/lyric text. My focus will be, from now on, to illustrate you about "poetic narrative"... I guess it's a broader name to describe it, so sorry if my metonymy was ineffective before. Anyway, a poetic narrative is about allusions, metaphors, allegories and dream-like narratives that relates to a REAL situation, referencing abstractions of the reality or history. Fiction is all about that in a way, but the lyric structure is not only about songs. It's about this surreal abstraction that talks about stories that happens all the time, which we usually call archetypes. So most anime are usually very poetic in the sense I'm making here, but Re:Zero is one of those that makes it quite well, if I may say... ViktorLocke said: I don't understand how a character can appeal to more people, by behaving less as a person, and more of a theme. It's very simple. Which is more relatable: a struggle similar to what you or people around you suffer (even though the person itself is not similar), or a really complex person that might be so different from you that even their problems are similar to yours, but you can't really relate to them? I'd say it's a matter of approach rather than they are just acting as themes... It's as the author is not showing their more developed version at first, but as their problems get developed, it's being humanized more and more, just like our own growths... So mythology is all about that as well, you know? Myths come from the inner development and default way of thinking of human beings... So modern stories just quite of mimic myths in a way or another... ViktorLocke said: What kind of archetypical emotions? The characters' issues in Re: Zero are quite out there, and different from our reality. For example, Beako's whole promise schtick that she stuck with for years, I don't understand how this parallels to reality? How are they similar to actual people? The characters in Re: Zero are very quirky, and their situations are far beyond reality. For example, Subaru constantly yells, strikes poses, particularly in season 1. This isn't how a normal human being acts; this is how a cartoon character acts. Rem and Ram would constantly finish each other's sentences. Ram is ridiculously stoic, and condescending to Subaru for absolutely no reason. Any emotion, really. You can see throughout the show they expressing many feelings and situations alike we have, even it's via allegory. Each Witch and Archbishop represents a Deadly Sin, for instance, and it's not random at all. If you look carefully, the contact with the Witches change the fate of their characters according to the Witch factor they get contact with. Subaru wins Betelgeuse, so he wins his own acedia. Then he drinks Echidna's tea (well, look for Echidna in Greek mythology...) and talks with her, gets challenged and comforted by her, then learn how to be more ambitious with his own life. You can pretty much say that Re:Zero is totally fictional, and I'd say you're mistaken because the sins are real in this world, they are vices and they may stop your life and take your lifespan significantly. Overcoming them is a thing that everyone should do in order to improve one's own life. Emilia, Beatrice and Roswaal refused to recognize their own flaws and live in denial. Emilia rejected her past for the most part, up until last episodes. Beatrice and Roswaal are still in denial in some way, but they are more about denying a possible positive outcome of the future by their own. If you compare to real-life people, you'll get many people who only trust their religion head, their own beliefs or philosophies, reject they have any flaws they can overcome and don't overcome their past, holding themselves to stuff that won't bring any good result. You can say that the situation itself is absurd, but they are very relatable if you think what their situation really means. Ram is a submissive wife that have a strong resolve, so she can be against you, just so you improve, as every good woman. That's my interpretation. When the female gets too intense, the woman starts to reject men altogether or just prefer the best ones, so they get to be lonely... Ram is not in that extreme, but she's harsh in her beliefs and will. I've seen many mother's like that, so she's like the mature twin. Rem, in the other hand, is the more irresponsible twin that saw her sister and never could be like her. Rem's love for Subaru is justified by his merit, since he saved her just like Ram did, so it flipped a switch in her head anime logic because of the whole purpose of losing her in the first place. Any world can't be so convenient to have someone loving you just because you saved a girl. Subaru's chilling character is more of a façade, as far as think, up until somewhere on second season. He can't accept his past as he lost his social position, so he gave up in his world... Being in another world gave him the impression that, if he tried to be all funny and chill, things would work for him. Unfortunately to him, it wasn't the case. Notice that he acting like that became less and less common, being used more and more to specific moments of genuine enthusiasm. If you think no one can be that weird, you're really wrong. He became a hikkikomori and he has a weirdo as a father, so his isolation and parental environment could have influenced him. ViktorLocke said: "The "melodramatic" parts, as you described, are to tell us more about these characters and get us not only to know them, but how different people from Subaru would deal with similar problems regarding being hold by the past, dissatisfied with the present and too anxious about the future." That's the thing; I don't need to watch the characters monologue for 5 minutes about their crisis's to understand the basic gist of their problems. For example, when Emilia monologued about how much she wants to be like everyone else she met, by going through every character, she could've easily just said, "I want to be strong like the other people I've met," while the anime would show a quick visual montage of the other characters. Re: Zero seems to love to indulge in its dialogue; I can't help but feel the writer wasn't told, or didn't consider, cutting out any of the fat from the original draft of the dialogue. QUICK, QUICK, QUICK, oh, c'mon, you've said you want better development, but you don't want to listen to characters' thoughts? It seems a contradiction to me. It doesn't need to be always visual, although Re:Zero uses many visual metaphors, such as Emilia's mirror image in this case (and mirror images are being used in Re:Zero since the first episode from the first season). Also you said you didn't need the whole monologue, but you're saying that their problems are unrealistic, so you haven't get it even by this long monologue... You're saying it should be shorter, although it seems you haven't get it at all... So I'd re-evaluate that statement carefully... I confess that sometimes visuals don't help in Re:Zero, but it's an exception. Visuals and monologue in Re:Zero helps to build and deepen out comprehension about the situations, themes and even characters as story goes on if you REALLY pay attention. Re:Zero is an anime with many details, so no one should watch it carelessly. Anyway, I guess I've typed too much. Sorry if my sense of humor was too acid, sorry for writing too much and I hope you got my points. See ya! |
TebaldiMar 6, 2021 8:43 AM
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| Garf using Elsa's face to paint the walls was satisfying to watch, that bitch is tough though, she counterattacks as she is beeing used as a brush. Guess Garf has to use her some more to renovate the mansion. |
| just because I’ve gotten weaker, doesn’t mean that you got stronger, does it? |
| Really good episode. Emilia-tan finnaly put her shit together. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| EMT BEST GIRLLLLL |
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ViktorLocke said: I feel throughout our discussion, you've been more concerned analyzing Re: Zero. If that's the case, then I think it would be cool to write a blog/review of it. I'll do that eventually. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: About the storytelling thing, I recommend you look up to Romantic and Realism literary movements, and everything that came after that if you can. From what I've looked up, it seems realism literature emphasizes, well, realism; while romanticism literature is the opposite; it relies on being more out-there. How is Re: Zero anymore romanticist than other fantasy anime? Tebaldi said: In some Realist stories, the status quo can be shaken, but it's so strong that it's not really changed, so the finale tends to be a tragedy, engulfing the main character and don't letting him or her change anything... Or if it's not a sad ending, it might be of a accepting the reality one, just conforming to the norm. Is there a source that talks about realist stories and the status quo? How is Re: Zero a realist story? Realist stories emphasize the mundane, the reality. Re: Zero is far removed from reality because of its fantasy setting. Which is fine. Tebaldi said: It's also about taking responsibilities by your own and defying your will to be idle, even though the day-to-day life can be seem as meaningless, boring, unworthy of giving any effort to be better... Where does it state that this is a specific part of existentialism? Tebaldi said: The reason why it's the case is that things like psychoanalysis, as you said before, psychology, realism, existentialism, nihilism and even counter-culture movements, every one of them born from Enlightenment, took away from people's minds most of the meaning behind lyric expression such as metaphors, analogies, allegories, anaphors, myths etc. All of those examples are the true power of any language and piece of narrative: you can convey any idea or object without telling or demonstrating literally what it is. Realism is a movement that takes all of these figures of speech and take them out of the window. Why? Because it's only concerned with describing either dementia moments or really grounded, down-to-earth, materialistic situations, creating an addiction to many people nowadays to that approach. Yeah, so basically Re: Zero is a romantic type story. Like most anime. It's actually about taking out the romance out of the window. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: Well, Subaru's journey is about self-discovery and also finding purpose to improve himself and save the ones which are important to him. Coming to terms with his past and taking care of himself better, building good relationship with people and valuing yourself more are pretty much elements of an existentialist narrative, if I have to say. I agree. Your answer is already here! It's how people think life should be ideal and how they themselves can't fit in these ideals. I have a good video for you. Apply what he said about Subaru to Emilia as well in some extent. Facing your problems and take the burden for yourself is part of an existentialist lesson (romantics are escapists, which Subaru, Emilia and Roswaal totally are, but our main couple is changing bit a bit), especially throughout the first season, but it also shows you can count in others, starting with Rem, than other people, like Emilia, Ram, Otto, Frederica and her brother. I wouldn't be able to quote you a precise source about it all, but I can recommend you to read some authors as Dostoyevski or Machado de Assis. Those are authors that write about what I've said so far. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: Sisyphus represents Return by Death in my analogy, as the rock represents his own life, values, people he cares about and everything, so every time he dies, he has to start all over again (from a checkpoint). Although both Subaru and Sisyphus are cursed, in my opinion, Subaru has the chance in advance in his life if he makes good choices and improve himself. In that regard, he approaches Atlas more than Sisyphus, as right now he can ask for help to hold the sky. Sisyphus curse, as Return by Death, can also represent the day-to-day life. It doesn't matter how much you repeat, how much it changes in details: if you can't take charge of your own life, it'll be meaningless, boring, heavy, sorrowful, sad, depressing... You won't be able to take it. I guess I can kinda understand that interpretation, but Subaru is very different from Sissyphus in that, like you said, he actually advances; Sissyphus doesn't. I still don't understand the purpose of comparing the two characters. Tebaldi said: So I think a good lesson we can take from Re:Zero is that you can be in another world, you can change your life dramatically, by luck or trying hard, but if you don't really live... It'll be the same as dying every day, every loop. But that message is not realistic at all; because you can't actually live in another world. And Subaru very much lives his life in Re: Zero. Tebaldi said: You say, a day represents a sequence of astrological events that occur every 24h approx. A week is a group of seven days; a month, 30 days or roughly 4 weeks; a year, 12 months, roughly 52 weeks, 365 days. All of them loops every since the beginning of time. In some way, Return by Death or Sisyphus' curse represent the hell loop it's to live, however Re:Zero goes further as getting "the most convenient scenario" that is popular nowadays, that being an isekai, and showing that's not enough to really be happy. The environment matters, but oneself as well in order to be happy. I don't understand why you're comparing days to Re: Zero. I don't think Return by Death can represent Sissyphus's hell loop; because Subaru's life is infinitely better than Sissyphus's; and like you said, he makes progress. I kinda see where the comparison is coming, but at the same time, I think it's too loose of a comparison. You can win a lottery, you can have a hot video on YouTube out of luck, you can get an impressive job that makes you ascend in life, you can move to another country that has everything you ever dreamed about... So...How can't you go to another world? It's a metaphor. Re:Zero world is all about Subaru's will of escaping from real world, but responsibilities never going away regardless. The cute character designs, deceiving as they are, serve to that purpose as well. It doesn't matter where you go, you live or how much your life improves, it will still have struggles. Even the cute girls struggle. If you don't build it up correctly, by doing good connections and have a good relationship with yourself and other people, you can't advanced. You curse yourself and become Sisyphus, just like Subaru did to himself many times already. And I'm comparing Return by Death with common cycles because of the Samsara or Eternal Return. Some things repeats, some change, but all converts to be a loop in the end. How to break this cycle or jump to another is a mystery that surrounds human history since the beginning, and so we've been making stories about how we're stuck in time, yet some things are irreversible, just like Re:Zero does with this time loops, and yet he and everyone has a past, has regrets and... Rem... Well, I don't have to keep going, right? ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: You see, your questions here are the most common to many current "critics" throughout press media, social media etc. However it'd be very strange to ask those questions in the past. I don't understand how that's relevant to this discussion? Tebaldi said: Yes, it's an unhealthy addiction because it kills all the imagination, all the creativity to think outside the box, out of your own world and yet be able to learn from "fiction", so you can apply something later in your life or when you're solving problems to others. I think it's very presumptuous (and to an extent condescending) for you to assume I am "addicted" to one type of storytelling when we barely know each other. Sorry. I'm assuming it by your arguments. My intention is not to make an ad hominem, it's just to show you how dangerous this kind of preference can be, even though I think I wasn't so great with word choosing. What I really wanted to say is simply that you shouldn't overlook the message or how some story is told just because it's not how you're used to, especially when it's about anime. People come from Western contemporary cinema standards to Japanese animation... They simply don't do stuff the same way. They don't see the world the same way. So what I'm trying to convey is that you shouldn't treat anime by the same standards of those critics, especially these ones addicted to realism. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: It also kills the whole purpose of creating and telling a story. You see, you're addicted to a type of storytelling and excluding others from your horizon simply because you can't take characters driven by the author by their purpose more than moved by only their whim and hardships in a vacuum. Great characters, tend to have a purpose, and symbolize something in the story, while making you care about them at the same time. Re: Zero is not an anime that asks you to be emotionally detached from its characters like a film like Nightcrawler: where 99% of the characters are scumbags in that film. Re: Zero demands you feel for its characters, evidenced by how many "emotional" scenes there are, by the whole premise being that Subaru suffers (although there's more to the story than that). You can't write a character who's just a walking symbol, and make me care about them. Tebaldi said: I'd say it's a matter of approach rather than they are just acting as themes... It's as the author is not showing their more developed version at first, but as their problems get developed, it's being humanized more and more, just like our own growths... So mythology is all about that as well, you know? Myths come from the inner development and default way of thinking of human beings... So modern stories just quite of mimic myths in a way or another... That's character development. I don't think there's anything deeper behind that. Character development has existed since the Epic of Gilgamesh. They aren't just a walking symbol, though, even though you can make a story like that and still be attached to the characters, like in most myths... The thing is that they aren't developed in the first season, exception to Subaru himself, because he doesn't really wanted to learn about anything nor anyone. He was just about his own desires. Right now it's changing. Well, if you don't care is another story, but they just have a slow development, as it's not the main focus of having deeply developed characters from the very start. Yet there are things deeper than that. You just can't see it. Symbolism and truthful messages are usually greater than that. They survive through time, as character development alone is just a tool to an end... So... You can learn something from many stories. One type of them is coming of age or simply character development, but it's not the only way possible. Even though Re:Zero does this, it doesn't give you everything so easily, it gives you foreshadowing and feed you bit a bit... ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: It's very simple. Which is more relatable: a struggle similar to what you or people around you suffer (even though the person itself is not similar), or a really complex person that might be so different from you that even their problems are similar to yours, but you can't really relate to them? The latter: I feel far more emotionally connected to complex characters, than simple characters. Because complex characters have a wider arrange of personality traits, contradictions, flaws. You see, there's no correct answer to that, but if I have to say, understandable problems are more relatable, so if they are closer to you, your emotions will do the job easier for ya. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: Any emotion, really. You can see throughout the show they expressing many feelings and situations alike we have, even it's via allegory. Each Witch and Archbishop represents a Deadly Sin, for instance, and it's not random at all. If you look carefully, the contact with the Witches change the fate of their characters according to the Witch factor they get contact with. Subaru wins Betelgeuse, so he wins his own acedia. Subaru was never lazy, at least in the world of Re: Zero; he signed up to be a butler, when he could have just lazed around doing nothing. Besides, he had already matured from his self-pity phase episodes before he killed Betelgeuse. Tebaldi said: Then he drinks Echidna's tea (well, look for Echidna in Greek mythology...) and talks with her, gets challenged and comforted by her, then learn how to be more ambitious with his own life. I don't see how Subaru grew more ambitious after talking to Echidna; as I recall, his goal was always to protect those around him. Tebaldi said: You can pretty much say that Re:Zero is totally fictional, and I'd say you're mistaken because the sins are real in this world, they are vices and they may stop your life and take your lifespan significantly. Overcoming them is a thing that everyone should do in order to improve one's own life. I don't see how Re: Zero explores the sins in a meaningful way. The self-loathe was his sloth, actually. His attitude of giving up everything just to have the best results ever... He could only overcome the Whale and Betelgeuse by beating his own self-pity first in episode 18, so, in a way, yeah, you're right, he had a resolve BEFORE defeating him, but guess what? Subaru wouldn't have if he haven't had developed that way. After meting Echidna and suffering a lot, especially after failing the second test, he became eager of knowledge for the first time. He also stopped to think about who he would give up from, deciding to save everyone. Even though it was his intention from the start, it wasn't something he was so confident about and... now he's so greed he won't stop to try save the others WHILE saving himself as well, so he won't rely on Return by Death for now, at least. So he's giving away his most OP ability as much as he can and also trying to save everyone. Do you still think he's not being too ambitious and greedy here? So Re:Zero works based on sins, even though it doesn't seem them entirely as sins. They are more as abilities and caracteriscs of psique that can take over control of you if you don't control them. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: Ram is a submissive wife that have a strong resolve, so she can be against you, just so you improve, as every good woman. That's my interpretation. When the female gets too intense, the woman starts to reject men altogether or just prefer the best ones, so they get to be lonely...Ram is not in that extreme, but she's harsh in her beliefs and will. I've seen many mother's like that, so she's like the mature twin. Rem, in the other hand, is the more irresponsible twin that saw her sister and never could be like her. Rem's love for Subaru is justified by his merit, since he saved her just like Ram did, so it flipped a switch in her head anime logic because of the whole purpose of losing her in the first place. Any world can't be so convenient to have someone loving you just because you saved a girl. I don't understand what this has to do with everything else you're trying to connect to Re: Zero. You asked me to say about the characters and which emotions and symbols they represent, so I've given you a general idea. You said here: ViktorLocke said: This isn't how a normal human being acts; this is how a cartoon character acts. Rem and Ram would constantly finish each other's sentences. Ram is ridiculously stoic, and condescending to Subaru for absolutely no reason. I had to say something about it, so I've tried to say it in simplest form I could. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: Subaru's chilling character is more of a façade, as far as think, up until somewhere on second season. He can't accept his past as he lost his social position, so he gave up in his world... Being in another world gave him the impression that, if he tried to be all funny and chill, things would work for him. Unfortunately to him, it wasn't the case. Notice that he acting like that became less and less common, being used more and more to specific moments of genuine enthusiasm. If you think no one can be that weird, you're really wrong. He became a hikkikomori and he has a weirdo as a father, so his isolation and parental environment could have influenced him. If you search hard enough among the billions of humans that exist in our world, you'll find someone who acts like Subaru. Maybe...one in a million. But that doesn't make his behavior "normal," or "realistic." I've seen many people strange like him, it's quite common, actually. He seems obnoxious in the first season because most of the time he's faking it. The second arc makes it really clear when he succumbs and cries over Emilia's laps back in episode 8, but he kept doing that up until middle second season part 1. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: QUICK, QUICK, QUICK, oh, c'mon, you've said you want better development, but you don't want to listen to characters' thoughts? It seems a contradiction to me. No, it's not contradictory; I simply don't want to hear characters constantly monologue their thoughts and feelings for 5 minutes. That's not how normal people talk, and I find it pretentious and annoying. Other great character dramas like Breaking Bad and Neon Genesis Evangelion convey the characters' emotional turmoil's, without having them constantly monologue them. Tebaldi said: It doesn't need to be always visual, although Re:Zero uses many visual metaphors, such as Emilia's mirror image in this case (and mirror images are being used in Re:Zero since the first episode from the first season). Also you said you didn't need the whole monologue, but you're saying that their problems are unrealistic, so you haven't get it even by this long monologue... You're saying it should be shorter, although it seems you haven't get it at all... So I'd re-evaluate that statement carefully... I confess that sometimes visuals don't help in Re:Zero, but it's an exception. Visuals and monologue in Re:Zero helps to build and deepen out comprehension about the situations, themes and even characters as story goes on if you REALLY pay attention. Re:Zero is an anime with many details, so no one should watch it carelessly. Anyway, I guess I've typed too much. Sorry if my sense of humor was too acid, sorry for writing too much and I hope you got my points. See ya! I'd rather an anime trust my intelligence, even if I don't quite get it the first time around, then actively treat me like a moron. Visuals in Re:Zero often has hidden messages and expressions that provokes the blind eye to take a peek. I think Re:Zero doesn't treat anyone as a moron, it rather shows us in the detail a translation of thought-processing through dialogue and intriguing visuals when the art direction comes through, like in this episode, using the mirrors in Emilia's eyes or in the mirror itself or even in the water, for instance. About the "monologue", which is actually a DIALOGUE, is like the exam at the fountain from Buddhist and Hinduist traditions, or you can even see it as a prey to the Christian God... In a way, you talk with yourself or a god in a sense of an omniscient being, at least about your own life, so you can't really lie to him or her. The whole thing is about self-discovery, you know... So it's unrealistic in your view, but it's actually about traditions that really exists in this world. |
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| Fuck I got caught in their pace and forgot for a moment there that it was just a made up future in the trial and when I realised it after ngl it made me tear up a bit. Sigh. Welp good job on overcoming it, Emilia. Also I'm happy for her, so many people believes in her now and came to cheer her. |
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Someanime said: No it's not in the wrong discussion forum? Wth yuo on about lol. I was talking about Fortuna and Geuse being alive and well with Emilia in the second trial. After she passed it she went outside and the entire village people and demihumans were there to cheer here. All this happened in episode 9, maybe you got the episode number wrong or something.MegamiRem said: Fuck I got caught in their pace and forgot for a moment there that it was just a made up future in the trial and when I realised it after ngl it made me tear up a bit. Sigh. Welp good job on overcoming it, Emilia. Also I'm happy for her, so many people believes in her now and came to cheer her. Wrong discussion forum lmao, also these visions will most likely happen |
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ViktorLocke said: @Tebaldi I feel that you are overanalyzing. By which I mean, you are trying very hard to apply high, yet broad concepts, to Re: Zero. Especially when you began comparing the show to Buddhism and Hinduism, when the show makes absolutely no references to them. It's like; yeah, if you try hard enough, you can apply any big, broad, concept to any anime. So for example, you compared Re: Zero's storytelling to romanticism storytelling; which is extremely broad, because most anime, unless they try to be grounded and realistic, are in the form of romanticism storytelling; especially light novel adapted anime, where characters talk in a way that's unlike actual people (ie Bakemonogatari). Which is why I don't think comparing Re: Zero to a romanticism form of storytelling, is particularly a meaningful analysis. It's like saying: "Gurren Lagann follows the hero's journey." That's not an interesting analysis whatsoever; most stories in general follow the hero's journey. Now for example, if you did something like, say, compare Kino's Journey to absurdism, then yeah, I can get behind that; because absurdism is a very specific concept that most anime don't follow. I was talking about the tests when I've compared with Eastern traditions, not the whole show. If you read carefully, I was trying to say Re:Zero has a romantic façade, but it has a realist critique of escapism. I was being very specific all the time, it's just that I wasn't so straght-forward in my approach because I do think that just saying everything in few words feels like I'm taking it from nowhere, so I've tried to make a path from where I'm coming from in some degree. Sorry for the lack of sources, though. I read many things and don't remember what I've in which exactly book or website... Anyway... I wasn't trying to say just tautologies all the time to sound smart, I was stating my ground and then drawing my conclusions from them. |
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ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: If you read carefully, I was trying to say Re:Zero has a romantic façade, but it has a realist critique of escapism. I think I remember you saying that now, but I had forgotten about it a few days later. Regarding Re: Zero's critique of escapism, I don't feel it's executed in a good way; Subaru's backstory isn't revealed properly until season 2. Season 2. Most anime, especially character studies like Neon Genesis Evangelion, reveal its protagonist's backstories early on; so you understand where they're coming from, and don't hate them for how they behave. Wait, Shinji's background wasn't never really developed. I mean, what can you say about his past aside from his first years and that after his mother's death, he was raised by an uncle? NGE storytelling develops him through internal monologues and tough situations rather than showing flashbacks. The first meaningful flashback showing us part of Shinji's, Gendou's, Fuyutsuki's and Yui's past were in episode 21! Although there are many foreshadowing about Rei's origin, it's only revealed in episodes 21-23, if my memory doesn't fail me. Asuka's past was first explored in any depth in episode 22. So I can't judge Re:Zero for being like 10 episodes later than NGE. An yeah, both do foreshadowing. If you re-watch the series, you'll see all the reasons explained in depth in second season were there from the very start. ViktorLocke said: Tebaldi said: I was being very specific all the time, it's just that I wasn't so straght-forward in my approach because I do think that just saying everything in few words feels like I'm taking it from nowhere, so I've tried to make a path from where I'm coming from in some degree. Sorry for the lack of sources, though. I read many things and don't remember what I've in which exactly book or website... Anyway... I feel that, maybe it's because we are discussing, that the way you explained your analysis, I felt, was kind of, I don't know how else to put it, but was...disorganized. If your post was instead just a 100% analysis of Re: Zero, from start to finish (again, I think I'd like to read your analysis of Re: Zero if you make it) then it would be much more understandable, and feel more coherent. Please understand, I'm not trying to attack you. Tebaldi said: I wasn't trying to say just tautologies all the time to sound smart, I was stating my ground and then drawing my conclusions from them. I'm sorry, but that's how I felt from reading your posts; that you wanted to sound smart. Especially when you said I was, "addicted" to a certain form of storytelling; I've never heard anyone use "addicted" like that before. Or at the very least, wanted to analyze Re: Zero, more than discuss it. Part of me being smart isn't just having a high IQ; it's also about being able to convey that intelligence, in a way that the average person understands. It doesn't matter how good your IQ is in any area, whether it be math, art, etc, if you can't convey that intelligence. Again, please let me reiterate: I may be criticizing you, but I'm not trying to attack you; I think you have the potential to have some interesting analytical ideas. I'm just trying to explain what I think, would be the best way to convey those ideas. That's fine. I appreciate your feedback. I'm doing my best to learn with other people, write better, communicate better, so receiving these criticisms are well welcome. I confess that sometimes I feel people who I'm talking to me are stupid, you included. Not because I feel I'm superior, it's more like I don't think I'm smart at all, so when I see something and notice people can't understand a "simple thing" as me, I think they are even dumber than me... But it's just an impression and a terrible flaw of mine. Accepting that perspectives are different, that people see things differently than me, come from different backgrounds and trying my best to listen to other perspectives instead of just judging is the wisest thing to do, although sometimes I fail to do that, as stating things like what I've said about you being addicted to a type of storytelling. I do have a feeling still that there are people who are fixated in certain types of stories, so they are unable to enjoy other genres, but it might not be your case. So I was presumptuous and I feel sorry for that. Being able to stay calm in order to elaborate your speech in an ordered manner, as well as being able to choose the best way of conveying ideas are important skills that any person who wants to live in society should have, especially if you want to be a communicator, as I'd like to be someday. So I really feel bad to see that I'm not even close to master them, but being reminded of it and having my potential recognized is also important, just so I don't let some praises I received recently make my mind. Thank you a lot for make me think about all of it, also helping me re-evaluate Re:Zero, something I was doing slowly due to my obligations, but you gave me a good pull on that. |
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| Subaru has had enough, countless times he had pampered Beatrice, Emilia and the likes with soft and kind words and yet, only a few times did he got his intents across and convince them. Not anymore... He dropped d a truth bomb on Emilia with how insufferable and difficult she is a few eps back and those tough words sandwiched between his words of encouragement successfully made Emilia do what she did. This time, it's Beatrice's turn to get berated with some cold, hard facts-Subaru edition! BEHOLD AN UNTHINKABLE PRESENT Haven't heard from this lin in quite a while... If Emilia had not got over her regrets and see the hope beyond the tragedy, this alternate present that she's going through right then would have been absolutely devastating to her mental integrity. Even if she managed to pass the first trial, if she doesn't look forward to the actual life she's living in reality, she would've just decided to live in the perfect dreamland reality. And honestly... It's extremely enticing. I love seeing Emilia all happy, just having a nice relaxing picnic whilst teasing Fortuna and Geuseunder the sunny day. What a picturesque sight to witness, I especially like seeing Fortuna in such an outfit as does Geuse, but above all, I ship Fortuna and Geuse as strongly as the other villagers do, Fortuna and Geuse are pretty much made for each other and with Emilia overlooking this paradise, it's quite literally a tear-jerking experience. 'Happiness reflected on the water's surface' what title, the scene with Emilia jumping into the water was phenomenal. Though the most surprising of all is seeing Echidna crying, perhaps Echidna might shed those tears because her efforts that she put into this trial is close to meaningless when Emilia is able to go through the trials with relative ease despite the immensely painful experience that she's suffered. |
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| "Forever, we will always wait you back, Emillia-sama..." -Geuse. Yo, as always, as being a late watcher, the episode really touching me really hard, as soon as Emillia had a screen time with her second trial. Its a depiction of her wished present and future time with a kind couple, Mama Fortuna, and Papa Geuse. The place was so peaceful until i can't realise, its a time that never happened in the first place. Emilia's acknowledgment truly beautiful, even though its hurt to let it go. Echidna simply hate that beautiful emotional sceneries, and the last line of Emilla before leaving the place, truly sentimental. Rest in peace, you both.... Hang on, there, Emillia, you can do that! Yep, the third trial ready, and the whole sanctuary residents, plus the villagers, aggreed to wait and support Emillia no matter what. While the off screen fights between Ram-Puck vs Roswaal still happened in behind, the mansion situation was not good at all. Garfiel need to transform against Elsa, ngl. Then, for Subaru, try another suggestion to those loli. Because its looks harder than i may expected before. Lmao. The dynamic between Meilli and Petra also amusing too. I can't believe the tension was so hard back there. So what happened next? Lets see.... |
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Geel said: Lamss said: Upcoming witch tea party feat. Emilia? Emilia finally completes her trials. Our first villain of the series, Elsa, is finally defeated in her battle with Garf? Ram admits her love for Roswaal. And who can forget about Big Puck?  Another great episode this week. I hope that they can surely keep it up for the last 2 episodes of the season. AbiSa said: Damn, starting off strong again!!! I thought he got her eye, but instant healing is her thing. Subaru and gang in trouble! Modern world knowledge?!? I mean it is not like he shares the same voice with Senku, but um... XD. What? Even if that powder was supposed to explode why is he standing right there. Damn, they lit it up on fire! Emilia's third trial! Oh man, that's a lot to take in. I did catch Garfiel's voice saying that he will now as promised kill Subaru. hmmm, can this future not be changed? Tea Party! I definitely think that Emilia is Satella's daughter. Well, damn the Witch of Wrath (I think, can't really remember) is not so much filled with Wrath. She is quite kind. Wait, that is not Echidna? So the barrier is gone! NO SHIT THE ICESTORM!!! Those bunnies will be coming! Shit! Oh, damn, Garf cut her bad! Will she still heal?!? He fucking twisted the head off that sucker! YOOHOO. Eh, no she healed as fast as ever. Garfiel is exhausted. Oh wow, so Elsa is a vampire! Yeah well, a fucked up childhood makes a fucked up person. So it down to biting each other! Damn! Garfiel got enough blood! She got crushed! And that is the end of a great antagonist! WOW Ram confesses! I'm not sure if she means romantic love or general love. Oh, fuck wow, they burned the book! Holy shit and Ram got blown away! Shit! Damn what an episode, it really pays off, after all, he previous dialogue-heavy episodes this Season! Err, did you guys post this in the wrong episode thread lol, I'm guessing that's for next episode, kinda spoiled me ngl. Oh, fuck! Really? Shit, I'm so sorry, I'm deleting it now. FUCK |
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