One of the worst piece of animated media made in the recent year ? (ep 1-3)

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MunaXs said:

Even if the source is not the manga, it doesn't detract from the fact that the Tsundere-Dandere relationship is something that has been more than exploited in multiple productions. That's my criticism.

Well, to begin with, it completely refutes your point that this is a bad adaptation(of manga).
Secondly, it's not even "tsundere-dandere relationship".

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False_Mirror said:

MunaXs said:

Even if the source is not the manga, it doesn't detract from the fact that the Tsundere-Dandere relationship is something that has been more than exploited in multiple productions. That's my criticism.

Well, to begin with, it completely refutes your point that this is a bad adaptation(of manga).
Secondly, it's not even "tsundere-dandere relationship".

"Even if" It's a conditional so it does not refute it. I'm giving you the benefict of the doubt.
2nd...come on...

Jul 12, 2022 11:27 AM

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False_Mirror said:

Four first-class animators is 4 more than the average seasonal show has. Yeah, with more resources, you can make a movie-quality tv-series, and with even more, you can make a Redline-tier quality movie, go bankrupt and close. This is not a damn shounen selling a gazillion copies of manga every month, what kind of ridiculous comparisons are these?

I wouldn't go as far as to do a redline level of quality, just the fluidity of simple movements of animation like running or walking is enough. Idoly Pride doesn't even have fight scenes, yet its animation on normal stuff like dancing makes it a better eye-candy than high-velocity fight scenes. That's what this show is lacking. I wouldn't be bothered if this level of animation still exists in ep 4, but newcomers sure don't take it too well. unless they do improve with better pacing.

Jul 12, 2022 11:51 AM

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MunaXs said:

"Even if" It's a conditional so it does not refute it. I'm giving you the benefict of the doubt.
2nd...come on...

How did it even happen that you read the manga, but you don't know about the original web series? This manga is of the kind that is usually interesting only to existing fans...

MunaXs said:

2nd...come on....

I mean, there is no -dere in Weiss rn - she just realizes the need for cooperation and tries to cope with emotions. There is no real tsun- either.

Ignutz said:

I wouldn't go as far as to do a redline level of quality, just the fluidity of simple movements of animation like running or walking is enough. Idoly Pride doesn't even have fight scenes, yet its animation on normal stuff like dancing makes it a better eye-candy than high-velocity fight scenes. That's what this show is lacking.

There is no fundamental difference in the animation of an action scene and a dance - both are difficult and require a lot of work. Dancing is a thing of equal complexity and brightness, and not some " normal stuff" with which you fill the free space between the action. And Idoly Pride has only about 10 short dance scenes for 12 episodes.
But here you want a well-animated action and a well-animated "normal stuff", and that's not how anime TV series work. Normally, at best you have one short animated sequence and everything else is "limited animation". But these segments of limited animation can still look beautiful and interesting. And that's where the things I mentioned become important.

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but newcomers sure don't take it too well

I wouldn't say that.

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Jul 12, 2022 12:20 PM

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Prime example of trash mindset people. You idiot go should stop watching series.

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There is no fundamental difference in the animation of an action scene and a dance - both are difficult and require a lot of work. Dancing is a thing of equal complexity and brightness, and not some " normal stuff" with which you fill the free space between the action. And Idoly Pride has only about 10 short dance scenes for 12 episodes.
But here you want a well-animated action and a well-animated "normal stuff", and that's not how anime TV series work. Normally, at best you have one short animated sequence and everything else is "limited animation". But these segments of limited animation can still look beautiful and interesting. And that's where the things I mentioned become important.

I want a "similar but not literally similar to what I compare" animation. This isn't for me, really, but for any anime watchers who can't accept this level of quality. Dropping it immediately without giving it any second chances. I would've abandoned this series after those 3 episodes, but the shortcomings ain't a big deal because it's RWBY.

A company going as far as to create a disney level of animation would definitely lead to financial problems or something. Idk if Ufotable was facing that kind of issue, but that's what it seems like to me.

I know that animators decide how many frames they want to put on their animations, but newcomers don't know that and will continue to believe their own opinions. Thus, threads like this are a sign that some don't really like what they're seeing and I can understand where they're coming from.

Jul 12, 2022 10:03 PM

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Ignutz said:

This isn't for me, really, but for any anime watchers who can't accept this level of quality. Dropping it immediately without giving it any second chances.

Why should they give this second chance to a show that's not for them? Why should anyone care if they drop the show? These are not "newcomers". This is a tiny layer of those who watch exclusively high-budget shounens. There is no need to please them with every show.

Ignutz said:

I want a "similar but not literally similar to what I compare" animation.

You say that Idoly Pride is eye candy, but it's barely animated, outside of these few short dance animation sequences. And the density of these well-animated sequences per episode is way lower there than in rwby. See? It's not about more sakuga from high-class animators, but about how the segments of limited animation look like. Take a look at the last 2 minutes of the third episode of rwby - it's a limited animation, but I doubt many people had any problems with it. It looks good. The backgrounds look nice, the shots are well composited and characters match the model. And that's what other scenes in rwby sometimes lack-especially in the 2nd episode.

Jul 13, 2022 12:04 AM

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False_Mirror said:

Ignutz said:

This isn't for me, really, but for any anime watchers who can't accept this level of quality. Dropping it immediately without giving it any second chances.

Why should they give this second chance to a show that's not for them? Why should anyone care if they drop the show? These are not "newcomers". This is a tiny layer of those who watch exclusively high-budget shounens. There is no need to please them with every show.

Ignutz said:

I want a "similar but not literally similar to what I compare" animation.

You say that Idoly Pride is eye candy, but it's barely animated, outside of these few short dance animation sequences. And the density of these well-animated sequences per episode is way lower there than in rwby. See? It's not about more sakuga from high-class animators, but about how the segments of limited animation look like. Take a look at the last 2 minutes of the third episode of rwby - it's a limited animation, but I doubt many people had any problems with it. It looks good. The backgrounds look nice, the shots are well composited and characters match the model. And that's what other scenes in rwby sometimes lack-especially in the 2nd episode.

No no! That's exactly the quality I'm talking about. Small stuff like that is enough for anyone to enjoy anything. But for the ones who want "yutaka nakamura" levels of animation, they can go watch what they like better. Just normal ones moving properly. Hair waving, walking, running, jumping, anything typical done well and not stiff.

sometimes you may find limited animation, but only for when it doesn't need a lot of movement, like standing/sitting while talking. Making the little things move is enough eye candy (for me, at least).

And I know every show isn't for everyone. But even shows that aren't for the right audience are entertaining for said audience. I'm not into romance or sci-fi anime, but I watched the genres and I was amazed by everything simple, aside from the storytelling and god-tier animation.

I'm trying to please more people, hopefully the ones who have an interest in this stuff, because hearing good stuff about it from them with a logical/reasonable explanation is the best reward ever. Hearing new people talk about link click, Monster, this show or Berserk and say good stuff about it was so rewarding for me.

Negativity with no reasoning or dumb reasoning will rub off on anyone who takes it to heart and a lot of people have done that for years now.

Jul 13, 2022 1:54 AM

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Ignutz said:

No no! That's exactly the quality I'm talking about. Small stuff like that is enough for anyone to enjoy anything. But for the ones who want "yutaka nakamura" levels of animation, they can go watch what they like better. Just normal ones moving properly. Hair waving, walking, running, jumping, anything typical done well and not stiff.

sometimes you may find limited animation, but only for when it doesn't need a lot of movement, like standing/sitting while talking. Making the little things move is enough eye candy (for me, at least).

And I know every show isn't for everyone. But even shows that aren't for the right audience are entertaining for said audience. I'm not into romance or sci-fi anime, but I watched the genres and I was amazed by everything simple, aside from the storytelling and god-tier animation.

I mean, you can't expect detailed hair flips or body animations in every scene of TV anime either. It is not typical. Limited animation is the very essence of anime as an independent direction. If you can't appreciate it, then you just don't like anime, but I think you can - you just don't quite understand what you don't like in some rwby segments and what you like or what you don't minde in some other shows.
Let's go back to the Idoly Pride - the 2nd episode of IP is barely animated. There's nothing of what you're describing - it's just a lot of still shots and a moving mouths. Rare animated cuts are extremely simple - a looped basic animation of legs or an up-and-down movement of a static head model and things like this. Here is literally the best animated cut of the entire episode! 2nd episode of rwby is incomparably better animated, and yet you call IP an eye candy compared to rwby - think about why?

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Ignutz said:

No no! That's exactly the quality I'm talking about. Small stuff like that is enough for anyone to enjoy anything. But for the ones who want "yutaka nakamura" levels of animation, they can go watch what they like better. Just normal ones moving properly. Hair waving, walking, running, jumping, anything typical done well and not stiff.

sometimes you may find limited animation, but only for when it doesn't need a lot of movement, like standing/sitting while talking. Making the little things move is enough eye candy (for me, at least).

And I know every show isn't for everyone. But even shows that aren't for the right audience are entertaining for said audience. I'm not into romance or sci-fi anime, but I watched the genres and I was amazed by everything simple, aside from the storytelling and god-tier animation.

I mean, you can't expect detailed hair flips or body animations in every scene of TV anime either. It is not typical. Limited animation is the very essence of anime as an independent direction. If you can't appreciate it, then you just don't like anime, but I think you can - you just don't quite understand what you don't like in some rwby segments and what you like or what you don't minde in some other shows.
Let's go back to the Idoly Pride - the 2nd episode of IP is barely animated. There's nothing of what you're describing - it's just a lot of still shots and a moving mouths. Rare animated cuts are extremely simple - a looped basic animation of legs or an up-and-down movement of a static head model and things like this. Here is literally the best animated cut of the entire episode! 2nd episode of rwby is incomparably better animated, and yet you call IP an eye candy compared to rwby - think about why?

Oh, the 2nd episode does not include what ep 2 of rwby had. And the reason why IP's 2nd episode doesn't have what I said, because it doesn't need to. Probably the choice of the directors. One piece has it, most of the time. Yet it doesn't have the noticeable errors and awkward movements that came from rwby (at least, from what I saw).

Oh, and I'm not comparing rwby and IP. No, haha. I'm using IP as an example of how normal movements should be done (in parts where lots of motion is needed). The errors and stiffness in some parts of rwby can be spotted by anyone with good eyes and that might discourage them in some ways.

It's not as bad as S2 of OPM and Record of Ragnarock, that's for sure. Berserk 1997 has minimal animation most of the time, yet I consider it a better experience and version than the movies.

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The problems of animation doesn't bother that much anymore. Current spongebob has insane/exaggerated, somewhat clunky animations with a noticeably absurd art style that I don't approve, yet I still watch the new spongebob episodes, regardless.

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Jul 13, 2022 3:25 AM

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Ignutz said:

the reason why IP's 2nd episode doesn't have what I said, because it doesn't need to. Probably the choice of the directors.

Ahaha, it doesn't have that, because it's cheaper and easier that way. Don't you think it would be better if you were shown the dance itself, and not a panting girl who just finished the dance? Do you think the director wouldn't be happy to show it to you? He just doesn't have enough resources, because it's just a regular seasonal TV anime. Yeah, you can say that this is not necessary in a way, because even without seeing any animation most of the time, many viewers, it turns out, will still call the show eye candy.

Ignutz said:

The errors and stiffness in some parts of rwby can be spotted by anyone with good eyes

And here we go back to where we started. This is literally my original point. This show doesn't need more great animators - there are already a lot. It needs better work (read as "more time") by animation directors who would correct errors.

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Ahaha, it doesn't have that, because it's cheaper and easier that way. Don't you think it would be better if you were shown the dance itself, and not a panting girl who just finished the dance? Do you think the director wouldn't be happy to show it to you? He just doesn't have enough resources, because it's just a regular seasonal TV anime. Yeah, you can say that this is not necessary in a way, because even without seeing any animation most of the time, many viewers, it turns out, will still call the show eye candy.

Yeah, nothing's wrong with it, right? So, why fix what isn't broken?

Ignutz said:

The errors and stiffness in some parts of rwby can be spotted by anyone with good eyes

And here we go back to where we started. This is literally my original point. This show doesn't need more great animators - there are already a lot. It needs better work (read as "more time") by animation directors who would correct errors.[/quote]

I say more animators (specifically freelancers with great skills and great records) because most of who they have for this project are unknown to me. They have a lot working, but Vincent Chansard was the only one that stood out to me (yet Idk where/what segment is his. maybe genga). That and of course, with more time for tweaking.

I have no hate for the results personally, goofs are expected everywhere, happens all the time in spongebob, but others surely will and nitpick to keep complaining.

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Ignutz said:

Yeah, nothing's wrong with it, right? So, why fix what isn't broken?

I wouldn't say it's something good either. Even limited animation can be inventive and interesting, and this is not what we see in the IP, but that's another conversation.

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because most of who they have for this project are unknown to me. They have a lot working, but Vincent Chansard was the only one that stood out to me

That's because you're into shounens. If you had watched more recent shaft shows, you would've paid attention to completely different names.

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yet Idk where/what segment is his

Just layouts for this

Jul 13, 2022 5:31 AM

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False_Mirror said:

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Yeah, nothing's wrong with it, right? So, why fix what isn't broken?

I wouldn't say it's something good either. Even limited animation can be inventive and interesting, and this is not what we see in the IP, but that's another conversation.

Don't the mouths count as limited animation? If they drew them, that would be a waste of time. It's a method that they can use, after all and they don't really need more in that episode.

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That's because you're into shounens. If you had watched more recent shaft shows, you would've paid attention to completely different names.

Oh, dude, I watched Monster, Berserk (read the manga a lot), OPM is kind of a shounen if that makes sense, most of these aren't touched by Shaft. Haven't seen a single shaft anime until now. Maybe I'l do the monogatari series someday. I don't really pay attention to names of animators a lot, only when I'm intrigued.

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Just layouts for this

Wow, Vincent barely did anything, if that's what he actually did.

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Ignutz said:

Don't the mouths count as limited animation? If they drew them, that would be a waste of time. It's a method that they can use, after all and they don't really need more in that episode.
Maybe I'l do the monogatari series someday.

Just watch bakemonogatari and you'll understand what I meant and how limited animation can look impressive, inventive and interesting

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Wow, Vincent barely did anything, if that's what he actually did..

Yeah, the most impressive action scenes in this episodes were made by the shaft's animators: Genichirou Abe, Hiroto Nagata and and Kazuki Kawata.

Jul 13, 2022 6:36 AM

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Just watch bakemonogatari and you'll understand what I meant and how limited animation can look impressive, inventive and interesting

I saw a clip and yeah, the director made some excellent use to an animation method (assuming they are responsible for it), making the monogatari series a show that stands out among the generic ones out there.

Jul 13, 2022 2:50 PM

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Just say you don't personally like it and move on, man. You don't have to pretend its objectively the worst garbage, or the greatest masterpiece you've ever seen. You don't have to like or hate things just because the internet told you to. Just be yourself and stop caring so much what others think.

Jul 13, 2022 8:41 PM

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Just say you don't personally like it and move on, man. You don't have to pretend its objectively the worst garbage, or the greatest masterpiece you've ever seen. You don't have to like or hate things just because the internet told you to. Just be yourself and stop caring so much what others think.

I've been a rwby fan ever since I discovered it. Since 2017, I made dozens of OC semblances in a semblance thread that's now dead, got as taste of the toxic side of the FNDM, and after that, I still crave for rwby greatness, despite the storytelling downgrade in recent volumes. I just want it done well and this version might bring more people in if the writing and pacing is executed well, it's not the worst animated show out there.

Hearing good stuff about what I like pleases me a lot, man. I wouldn't be wasting time here if I hate this so much.

Jul 14, 2022 1:07 AM

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oh man. this new character design. just look at them. SO CUTE. I just look at Weiss and Blake OH MY GOD. She's so ADORABLEEEE! I'm sorry Saori (ruby's voice actress) but I just in love with Weiss's voice. I'm talking about the voice role of weiss only of course that is not the normal voice of the voice's actress. voice actress of Weiss is also play in dr. stone but in a different tone of acting role. anyway,
1: I wanted to ask. is this anime a remake of the original?
2: what is the different between the CGI used in Original RWBY cartoon and this Japanese Ice queen version? (I could see the original version and the eyes is moving and feel kinda 2.5 D or 3D when they are turning around.

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While the story is set in the same universe as the main show, they are calling it “canon adjacent”
- wait hold a minutes. are you kidding? this is obviously a alternate universe and a remake with a brand new story. no way this is the same universe as original. who is Zaiden? why didn't she debut in the original? this show just restart from the beginning and alter the story along the way. the story is alter after Zaiden is introduced. Same universe ,really, then how are you going to connect this ice queendom to the original. how are they going to merge.

Jul 14, 2022 5:10 AM

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I think this is going to a different route. Never connected to the original as it started differently, but probably just in a dream realm, if the rest of the episodes are about getting Weiss out of it.

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"One of the worst" this show is mid at worst, and considering they had to adapt 2 whole seasons of really boring stuff in just 3 episodes they did fine.
Too bad they'll skip the best fights which were in S3 but it was a pretty boring torunament arc in general so no wonder and if it's original from now on, great, I dropped the shit out of S4 of RWBY.

Considering how bad RWBY is outside of the fights, this rushed pacing is actually a gift.

Jul 19, 2022 6:22 AM

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Lol, what happened here, i rarely visit this site but what the heck i find there so much st*pid people that doesn't even know How 2D works... This is One of best animated Show in entire world for sure.. best series on this year is actually nothing compared to Animation of RWBY Ice Queendom, especially for the battle scene in eps 1.. if you didnt understand the story cuz the paced, its just proof that you is so dumb@ss and lack of knowledge on this term, even me who never watch the original, still can understand what happened and the story itself, lmao, even i kinda crying bcuz the show that Well Animated like this is still exist for new... I think yall better to Stop watching Anime and going for others else, since you don't how its works and how to enjoy each of them .... then its was Something that i want to say as a Weebs for 12year long

I cant tell if you are being sarcastic or not

Jul 19, 2022 8:29 AM

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Every time Hiroto Nagata isn't making top tier animation its just unberable to watch or read, i literally felt like i would have a better experience without subtitles because of how rushed and poorly developed this was, and to make it worse, it was poor development on one of the most generic early introductions and character personalities i've seen since i bothered watching a ultra generic 10000 level op isekai work

Any1 that knows the original, does it get better after all of this? I really like the character designs and the fights (even if they're a bit generic) but i just can't stand everyone talking and acting like a cartoon network licensed anime as if they're 5 year olds in the body of super models

I’ve heard that everything after episode 3 will be anime original but I’m not sure if it’s true, honestly you are SOOOOO much better off watching the original even if the first 3 volumes of the original look bad. This anime butchers the show

Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

Don't believe the hype.

Jul 19, 2022 8:31 AM

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Alibaba2 said:

I’ve heard that everything after episode 3 will be anime original but I’m not sure if it’s true, honestly you are SOOOOO much better off watching the original even if the first 3 volumes of the original look bad. This anime butchers the show

Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Jul 19, 2022 8:39 AM

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Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

Don't believe the hype.

Jul 19, 2022 8:43 AM

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RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

They definitely did not do a better job handling the characters. Characters like jaune are extremely lame in volume 1-3 and they kinda made him not so lame in the anime but they stripped team RWBY of any charm or personality from the show and they are what made volumes 1 and 2 watchable. It just feels lifeless. The big grimm bird fight in volume 1 is way cooler and more fun to watch and packed with personality than anything the anime has ever did so far. It also replaces vital character moments for people like jaune by replacing their arcs with a new grimm that gives them nightmares or something and this new random character only in the anime comes in to solve their problems for them in an instant. It’s so lame. Half of the characters in the anime barely exist and it’s such a mess.

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Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

They definitely did not do a better job handling the characters. Characters like jaune are extremely lame in volume 1-3 and they kinda made him not so lame in the anime but they stripped team RWBY of any charm or personality from the show and they are what made volumes 1 and 2 watchable. It just feels lifeless. The big grimm bird fight in volume 1 is way cooler and more fun to watch and packed with personality than anything the anime has ever did so far. It also replaces vital character moments for people like jaune by replacing their arcs with a new grimm that gives them nightmares or something and this new random character only in the anime comes in to solve their problems for them in an instant. It’s so lame. Half of the characters in the anime barely exist and it’s such a mess.

Ah yes, let's put expectations of high octane fights from a medium that uses 3D animation and compare it to a medium that is primarily 2D animation and expect the same or similar personality with frame by frame works. I literally die inside every time I see people voice that issue. It may not have been as stylized as what was in the original show but it was pretty satisfactory given the assets they used here. And yes, please tell me how the lame ass Jaune gets bullied arc was such a major point of character development that was such a major factor in Team JNPR's storytelling. I mean the fact that people literally thought this was going to be a verbatim adaptation of what RT did is just funny. My only complaint was that they didn't give more time to Sun Wukong and Penny. But other than that, bringing it in and focusing on Team RWBY and Team JNPR? That's what should be done. Focus on a control group of characters first before introducing a mess of new people.

What does RWBY do? Constantly introduce new characters and do nothing with them besides make them look cool and forget they exist once they served their purpose. Then again, that's all RWBY has done over the past few years...that and drag out the Salem conflict which if the writers were smart, they would have waited on introducing Salem until everyone least expected it.

Don't believe the hype.

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DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

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Every time Hiroto Nagata isn't making top tier animation its just unberable to watch or read, i literally felt like i would have a better experience without subtitles because of how rushed and poorly developed this was, and to make it worse, it was poor development on one of the most generic early introductions and character personalities i've seen since i bothered watching a ultra generic 10000 level op isekai work

Any1 that knows the original, does it get better after all of this? I really like the character designs and the fights (even if they're a bit generic) but i just can't stand everyone talking and acting like a cartoon network licensed anime as if they're 5 year olds in the body of super models

I’ve heard that everything after episode 3 will be anime original but I’m not sure if it’s true, honestly you are SOOOOO much better off watching the original even if the first 3 volumes of the original look bad. This anime butchers the show

Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

They definitely did not do a better job handling the characters. Characters like jaune are extremely lame in volume 1-3 and they kinda made him not so lame in the anime but they stripped team RWBY of any charm or personality from the show and they are what made volumes 1 and 2 watchable. It just feels lifeless. The big grimm bird fight in volume 1 is way cooler and more fun to watch and packed with personality than anything the anime has ever did so far. It also replaces vital character moments for people like jaune by replacing their arcs with a new grimm that gives them nightmares or something and this new random character only in the anime comes in to solve their problems for them in an instant. It’s so lame. Half of the characters in the anime barely exist and it’s such a mess.

Ah yes, let's put expectations of high octane fights from a medium that uses 3D animation and compare it to a medium that is primarily 2D animation and expect the same or similar personality with frame by frame works. I literally die inside every time I see people voice that issue. It may not have been as stylized as what was in the original show but it was pretty satisfactory given the assets they used here. And yes, please tell me how the lame ass Jaune gets bullied arc was such a major point of character development that was such a major factor in Team JNPR's storytelling. I mean the fact that people literally thought this was going to be a verbatim adaptation of what RT did is just funny. My only complaint was that they didn't give more time to Sun Wukong and Penny. But other than that, bringing it in and focusing on Team RWBY and Team JNPR? That's what should be done. Focus on a control group of characters first before introducing a mess of new people.

What does RWBY do? Constantly introduce new characters and do nothing with them besides make them look cool and forget they exist once they served their purpose. Then again, that's all RWBY has done over the past few years...that and drag out the Salem conflict which if the writers were smart, they would have waited on introducing Salem until everyone least expected it.

There was never an argument about the animation. This is SHAFT, arguably the best anime studio ever, and the animation is AT MOST alright and its going against a show made in fucking Miku Miku Dance. RWBY animation and how it looked at all in volume 1 was fucking appalling that show looked like complete shit but it didnt matter because the grimm bird fight had funny but awesome character interactions and teamwork and music. The animation does not matter. The anime only kept one of those three. It kept the teamwork and it still wasnt as cool as volume 1. Yeah they used the same powers together like in volume 1 but oh my god it is so lackluster compared to the original. The interactions in the anime feel hollow. The music in the anime is marvel movie bullshit, the original RWBYs music is kickass. There’s like 4 things that happen in that fight in the original that make me laugh, and I haven’t grinned a single time at the anime. Where is ANYTHING that the original RWBY had?? Why haven’t I smiled a single time at the anime but the original made me laugh so many times in its worst volumes? And yeah jaunes arc was lame, so replacing it with something even lamer makes it even worse. They should not have introduced this random lame ass lazy character.

Jul 19, 2022 9:05 AM

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Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

Potato_Awards said:
Every time Hiroto Nagata isn't making top tier animation its just unberable to watch or read, i literally felt like i would have a better experience without subtitles because of how rushed and poorly developed this was, and to make it worse, it was poor development on one of the most generic early introductions and character personalities i've seen since i bothered watching a ultra generic 10000 level op isekai work

Any1 that knows the original, does it get better after all of this? I really like the character designs and the fights (even if they're a bit generic) but i just can't stand everyone talking and acting like a cartoon network licensed anime as if they're 5 year olds in the body of super models

I’ve heard that everything after episode 3 will be anime original but I’m not sure if it’s true, honestly you are SOOOOO much better off watching the original even if the first 3 volumes of the original look bad. This anime butchers the show

Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

They definitely did not do a better job handling the characters. Characters like jaune are extremely lame in volume 1-3 and they kinda made him not so lame in the anime but they stripped team RWBY of any charm or personality from the show and they are what made volumes 1 and 2 watchable. It just feels lifeless. The big grimm bird fight in volume 1 is way cooler and more fun to watch and packed with personality than anything the anime has ever did so far. It also replaces vital character moments for people like jaune by replacing their arcs with a new grimm that gives them nightmares or something and this new random character only in the anime comes in to solve their problems for them in an instant. It’s so lame. Half of the characters in the anime barely exist and it’s such a mess.

Ah yes, let's put expectations of high octane fights from a medium that uses 3D animation and compare it to a medium that is primarily 2D animation and expect the same or similar personality with frame by frame works. I literally die inside every time I see people voice that issue. It may not have been as stylized as what was in the original show but it was pretty satisfactory given the assets they used here. And yes, please tell me how the lame ass Jaune gets bullied arc was such a major point of character development that was such a major factor in Team JNPR's storytelling. I mean the fact that people literally thought this was going to be a verbatim adaptation of what RT did is just funny. My only complaint was that they didn't give more time to Sun Wukong and Penny. But other than that, bringing it in and focusing on Team RWBY and Team JNPR? That's what should be done. Focus on a control group of characters first before introducing a mess of new people.

What does RWBY do? Constantly introduce new characters and do nothing with them besides make them look cool and forget they exist once they served their purpose. Then again, that's all RWBY has done over the past few years...that and drag out the Salem conflict which if the writers were smart, they would have waited on introducing Salem until everyone least expected it.

There was never an argument about the animation. This is SHAFT, arguably the best anime studio ever, and the animation is AT MOST alright and its going against a show made in fucking Miku Miku Dance. RWBY animation and how it looked at all in volume 1 was fucking appalling that show looked like complete shit but it didnt matter because the grimm bird fight had funny but awesome character interactions and teamwork and music. The animation does not matter. The anime only kept one of those three. It kept the teamwork and it still wasnt as cool as volume 1. Yeah they used the same powers together like in volume 1 but oh my god it is so lackluster compared to the original. The interactions in the anime feel hollow. The music in the anime is marvel movie bullshit, the original RWBYs music is kickass. There’s like 4 things that happen in that fight in the original that make me laugh, and I haven’t grinned a single time at the anime. Where is ANYTHING that the original RWBY had?? Why haven’t I smiled a single time at the anime but the original made me laugh so many times in its worst volumes? And yeah jaunes arc was lame, so replacing it with something even lamer makes it even worse. They should not have introduced this random lame ass lazy character.

Because Gen Urobuchi. The moment that named dropped in the credits, you should have known what you were going to get yourself into. Like... I'm sorry man but when that man is involved on the project, fun and games are gone.

Don't believe the hype.

Jul 19, 2022 9:09 AM

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DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

Potato_Awards said:
Every time Hiroto Nagata isn't making top tier animation its just unberable to watch or read, i literally felt like i would have a better experience without subtitles because of how rushed and poorly developed this was, and to make it worse, it was poor development on one of the most generic early introductions and character personalities i've seen since i bothered watching a ultra generic 10000 level op isekai work

Any1 that knows the original, does it get better after all of this? I really like the character designs and the fights (even if they're a bit generic) but i just can't stand everyone talking and acting like a cartoon network licensed anime as if they're 5 year olds in the body of super models

I’ve heard that everything after episode 3 will be anime original but I’m not sure if it’s true, honestly you are SOOOOO much better off watching the original even if the first 3 volumes of the original look bad. This anime butchers the show

Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

They definitely did not do a better job handling the characters. Characters like jaune are extremely lame in volume 1-3 and they kinda made him not so lame in the anime but they stripped team RWBY of any charm or personality from the show and they are what made volumes 1 and 2 watchable. It just feels lifeless. The big grimm bird fight in volume 1 is way cooler and more fun to watch and packed with personality than anything the anime has ever did so far. It also replaces vital character moments for people like jaune by replacing their arcs with a new grimm that gives them nightmares or something and this new random character only in the anime comes in to solve their problems for them in an instant. It’s so lame. Half of the characters in the anime barely exist and it’s such a mess.

Ah yes, let's put expectations of high octane fights from a medium that uses 3D animation and compare it to a medium that is primarily 2D animation and expect the same or similar personality with frame by frame works. I literally die inside every time I see people voice that issue. It may not have been as stylized as what was in the original show but it was pretty satisfactory given the assets they used here. And yes, please tell me how the lame ass Jaune gets bullied arc was such a major point of character development that was such a major factor in Team JNPR's storytelling. I mean the fact that people literally thought this was going to be a verbatim adaptation of what RT did is just funny. My only complaint was that they didn't give more time to Sun Wukong and Penny. But other than that, bringing it in and focusing on Team RWBY and Team JNPR? That's what should be done. Focus on a control group of characters first before introducing a mess of new people.

What does RWBY do? Constantly introduce new characters and do nothing with them besides make them look cool and forget they exist once they served their purpose. Then again, that's all RWBY has done over the past few years...that and drag out the Salem conflict which if the writers were smart, they would have waited on introducing Salem until everyone least expected it.

There was never an argument about the animation. This is SHAFT, arguably the best anime studio ever, and the animation is AT MOST alright and its going against a show made in fucking Miku Miku Dance. RWBY animation and how it looked at all in volume 1 was fucking appalling that show looked like complete shit but it didnt matter because the grimm bird fight had funny but awesome character interactions and teamwork and music. The animation does not matter. The anime only kept one of those three. It kept the teamwork and it still wasnt as cool as volume 1. Yeah they used the same powers together like in volume 1 but oh my god it is so lackluster compared to the original. The interactions in the anime feel hollow. The music in the anime is marvel movie bullshit, the original RWBYs music is kickass. There’s like 4 things that happen in that fight in the original that make me laugh, and I haven’t grinned a single time at the anime. Where is ANYTHING that the original RWBY had?? Why haven’t I smiled a single time at the anime but the original made me laugh so many times in its worst volumes? And yeah jaunes arc was lame, so replacing it with something even lamer makes it even worse. They should not have introduced this random lame ass lazy character.

Because Gen Urobuchi. The moment that named dropped in the credits, you should have known what you were going to get yourself into. Like... I'm sorry man but when that man is involved on the project, fun and games are gone.

I should look up what other stuff he’s been involved with. Sorry if I was too aggressive. I was so excited for the anime adaption because I love RWBY but I’m just so disappointed with how everything was handled in there. I disagree with things u say about the original but to each their own. If there’s new episodes for the anime I’ll still watch it but not with high hopes anymore

Jul 19, 2022 9:15 AM

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Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

DedPanda said:

Alibaba2 said:

Potato_Awards said:
Every time Hiroto Nagata isn't making top tier animation its just unberable to watch or read, i literally felt like i would have a better experience without subtitles because of how rushed and poorly developed this was, and to make it worse, it was poor development on one of the most generic early introductions and character personalities i've seen since i bothered watching a ultra generic 10000 level op isekai work

Any1 that knows the original, does it get better after all of this? I really like the character designs and the fights (even if they're a bit generic) but i just can't stand everyone talking and acting like a cartoon network licensed anime as if they're 5 year olds in the body of super models

I’ve heard that everything after episode 3 will be anime original but I’m not sure if it’s true, honestly you are SOOOOO much better off watching the original even if the first 3 volumes of the original look bad. This anime butchers the show

Pretty sure RWBY butchers itself after Volume 3

RWBY actually gets better after volume 3 and i have no idea why you think it doesn’t. That’s ridiculous

Because RWBY consistently develops plot points that are laughable and incoherent at best. The characters are consistently thrown all over the place and it keeps setting itself up for something big that winds up being pushed off, forgotten, or changed for no apparent reason. It is a huge pile of wasted potential that gets progressively worse with each volume. Look at Adam and the White Fang, what could have been a literal set up that explored the moral corruption of the Schnee Family and the Schnee Dust Corporation got completely swept under the rug for what? And that's just one thing. Let's not also forget that RWBY has an issue of bringing in characters that have little to no importance to the story or are only relevant for a few scenes or a plot point before being cast off to the side and never to be seen again. It's just funny that people are bashing this version of it when in reality, it's already doing a better job of handling the characters and the world itself than the original project.

They definitely did not do a better job handling the characters. Characters like jaune are extremely lame in volume 1-3 and they kinda made him not so lame in the anime but they stripped team RWBY of any charm or personality from the show and they are what made volumes 1 and 2 watchable. It just feels lifeless. The big grimm bird fight in volume 1 is way cooler and more fun to watch and packed with personality than anything the anime has ever did so far. It also replaces vital character moments for people like jaune by replacing their arcs with a new grimm that gives them nightmares or something and this new random character only in the anime comes in to solve their problems for them in an instant. It’s so lame. Half of the characters in the anime barely exist and it’s such a mess.

Ah yes, let's put expectations of high octane fights from a medium that uses 3D animation and compare it to a medium that is primarily 2D animation and expect the same or similar personality with frame by frame works. I literally die inside every time I see people voice that issue. It may not have been as stylized as what was in the original show but it was pretty satisfactory given the assets they used here. And yes, please tell me how the lame ass Jaune gets bullied arc was such a major point of character development that was such a major factor in Team JNPR's storytelling. I mean the fact that people literally thought this was going to be a verbatim adaptation of what RT did is just funny. My only complaint was that they didn't give more time to Sun Wukong and Penny. But other than that, bringing it in and focusing on Team RWBY and Team JNPR? That's what should be done. Focus on a control group of characters first before introducing a mess of new people.

What does RWBY do? Constantly introduce new characters and do nothing with them besides make them look cool and forget they exist once they served their purpose. Then again, that's all RWBY has done over the past few years...that and drag out the Salem conflict which if the writers were smart, they would have waited on introducing Salem until everyone least expected it.

There was never an argument about the animation. This is SHAFT, arguably the best anime studio ever, and the animation is AT MOST alright and its going against a show made in fucking Miku Miku Dance. RWBY animation and how it looked at all in volume 1 was fucking appalling that show looked like complete shit but it didnt matter because the grimm bird fight had funny but awesome character interactions and teamwork and music. The animation does not matter. The anime only kept one of those three. It kept the teamwork and it still wasnt as cool as volume 1. Yeah they used the same powers together like in volume 1 but oh my god it is so lackluster compared to the original. The interactions in the anime feel hollow. The music in the anime is marvel movie bullshit, the original RWBYs music is kickass. There’s like 4 things that happen in that fight in the original that make me laugh, and I haven’t grinned a single time at the anime. Where is ANYTHING that the original RWBY had?? Why haven’t I smiled a single time at the anime but the original made me laugh so many times in its worst volumes? And yeah jaunes arc was lame, so replacing it with something even lamer makes it even worse. They should not have introduced this random lame ass lazy character.

Because Gen Urobuchi. The moment that named dropped in the credits, you should have known what you were going to get yourself into. Like... I'm sorry man but when that man is involved on the project, fun and games are gone.

I should look up what other stuff he’s been involved with. Sorry if I was too aggressive. I was so excited for the anime adaption because I love RWBY but I’m just so disappointed with how everything was handled in there. I disagree with things u say about the original but to each their own. If there’s new episodes for the anime I’ll still watch it but not with high hopes anymore

It's okay. Everyone has their opinions. Whether or not we agree, we are expressing them. That's the point of discussion forums. Just think of it as another take on a series you know. It may not be the version you enjoy but it's there to consume.

Don't believe the hype.

Jul 19, 2022 9:19 AM

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