A Certain Magical Index (light novel)
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Aug 26, 2022 4:55 PM
#1
| So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. |
Aug 26, 2022 5:17 PM
#2
Saku_k said: So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. I’m no Toaru expert but: 1. Kuroko’s teleportation is actually just moving objects through 11 dimensions, which accelerators vector shield can stop. (Most likely) 2. Shokuhou’s mind control works through waves which are blocked by accelerator vector shield too. 3. Misaka could deprive him of oxygen which would kill him however since he controls vectors he could just rearrange the ozone back into oxygen (technically), and if that doesn’t work he could just fly away some where else and Misaka cannot turn the whole atmosphere into ozone. We can put the esper power scale from 1 to 1000, 1 little to no power at all, 1000 being the peak of strength (0 being no power). Mugino would be 700, Misaka would be 800 and Kakine would be 1000 reasonably the strongest. Accelerator on the other hand would be 5000. He is essentially an anomaly as to what is possible. Not the best analogy but it works. Edit: And yes changing vectors means literally anything as long as his brain can handle the calculations which later on is not even bound by that. |
Aug 26, 2022 5:28 PM
#3
| Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. |
Aug 26, 2022 5:39 PM
#4
Saku_k said: So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. When a teleprter uses their ability on something in the verse its still considered a vector so it wouldn't do anything to him. Now for misaki her power works but affecting bio electricity in the brain so thats another blank on trying to get him. This is also why misaka doesn't get affected by her mind control. And the oxygen take could work if the esper does it flawlessly The only reason accelerator lost in the sisters arc cuz he no hand to hand fighting experience or whatever and he was super arrogant also plot armor for touma xD oh and changing vectors really does mean you can do almost anything |
SawsyMikeyAug 26, 2022 5:50 PM
Aug 26, 2022 5:43 PM
#5
Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol |
Aug 26, 2022 5:53 PM
#6
SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? |
Aug 26, 2022 5:58 PM
#7
Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene |
Aug 26, 2022 6:07 PM
#8
SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene I understand that he can change vectors of things, like, if he was poisoned and he knew he was poisoned, and the poison was slow acting enough, he could change the vector of the poison to send it out of his body. I also understand that he is able to deflect attacks automatically basically by reacting to incoming vectors. I'll also accept the teleportation argument, because the objects are just moving through a different dimension and thus still have vectors. But the ability to detect and filter poison in your drink in the first place sounds like a power unrelated to vectors, and I thought espers only had 1 power. Also unrelated, how does he let himself get his ass kicked by Kihara? I understand Kihara is using some dumb trick (which I really don't think should be humanly possible) to land punches on Accelerator, but couldn't Accelerator just use ranged attacks? |
Aug 26, 2022 6:15 PM
#9
Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene I understand that he can change vectors of things, like, if he was poisoned and he knew he was poisoned, and the poison was slow acting enough, he could change the vector of the poison to send it out of his body. I also understand that he is able to deflect attacks automatically basically by reacting to incoming vectors. I'll also accept the teleportation argument, because the objects are just moving through a different dimension and thus still have vectors. But the ability to detect and filter poison in your drink in the first place sounds like a power unrelated to vectors, and I thought espers only had 1 power. Also unrelated, how does he let himself get his ass kicked by Kihara? I understand Kihara is using some dumb trick (which I really don't think should be humanly possible) to land punches on Accelerator, but couldn't Accelerator just use ranged attacks? eh it just how it is really since it's fiction but I'm sure he would be able to know. And yes espers only have 1 power just different applications since vector manipulation can pretty much do almost anything And kihara beating him up. ima try to explain how I can xD throw punch shield ready to deflect pull back fist just before coming into contact shield down throw punch smooth hit He just does this super fast |
Aug 26, 2022 6:31 PM
#10
SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene I understand that he can change vectors of things, like, if he was poisoned and he knew he was poisoned, and the poison was slow acting enough, he could change the vector of the poison to send it out of his body. I also understand that he is able to deflect attacks automatically basically by reacting to incoming vectors. I'll also accept the teleportation argument, because the objects are just moving through a different dimension and thus still have vectors. But the ability to detect and filter poison in your drink in the first place sounds like a power unrelated to vectors, and I thought espers only had 1 power. Also unrelated, how does he let himself get his ass kicked by Kihara? I understand Kihara is using some dumb trick (which I really don't think should be humanly possible) to land punches on Accelerator, but couldn't Accelerator just use ranged attacks? eh it just how it is really since it's fiction but I'm sure he would be able to know. And yes espers only have 1 power just different applications since vector manipulation can pretty much do almost anything And kihara beating him up. ima try to explain how I can xD throw punch shield ready to deflect pull back fist just before coming into contact shield down throw punch smooth hit He just does this super fast It just seems like some of Accelerator's powers are inconsistent, like they don't really have anything to do with vectors. Well I know how Kihara does it, I just don't really believe a human could possibly move their fists fast enough for that to work lol |
Aug 26, 2022 6:34 PM
#11
Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene I understand that he can change vectors of things, like, if he was poisoned and he knew he was poisoned, and the poison was slow acting enough, he could change the vector of the poison to send it out of his body. I also understand that he is able to deflect attacks automatically basically by reacting to incoming vectors. I'll also accept the teleportation argument, because the objects are just moving through a different dimension and thus still have vectors. But the ability to detect and filter poison in your drink in the first place sounds like a power unrelated to vectors, and I thought espers only had 1 power. Also unrelated, how does he let himself get his ass kicked by Kihara? I understand Kihara is using some dumb trick (which I really don't think should be humanly possible) to land punches on Accelerator, but couldn't Accelerator just use ranged attacks? eh it just how it is really since it's fiction but I'm sure he would be able to know. And yes espers only have 1 power just different applications since vector manipulation can pretty much do almost anything And kihara beating him up. ima try to explain how I can xD throw punch shield ready to deflect pull back fist just before coming into contact shield down throw punch smooth hit He just does this super fast It just seems like some of Accelerator's powers are inconsistent, like they don't really have anything to do with vectors. Well I know how Kihara does it, I just don't really believe a human could possibly move their fists fast enough for that to work lol yh thats what am saying but thats what kamachi wrote so thats how it is ig |
Aug 26, 2022 6:37 PM
#12
| As far as I'm aware it all depends on if Accelerator is aware it exists and the fundemental basics on how it works then no matter what it can't hurt him. His vector shield is a subconscious thing. It filters out everything he would consider dangerous and automatically deflects away from him. For example if he automatically deflects everything, then technically he wouldn't be standing on this earth as he would be deflecting gravity itself. He'd be tossed in the darkness of the universe with nothing to anchor him. But because he is aware of the concept of gravity, its something that's already in his subconscious (I mean its such a basic concept) he's able to remain anchored to this earth. Its the same as oxygen, he obviously needs oxygen to breathe so thats something he automatically doesn't deflect. Now with your question regarding teleporters or other esper abilities, as others have already said even that would be useless. Cos he already is aware of teleportation, he more than likely already knows how their ability is calculated. So such an attack would automatically be deflected. Accelerator is highly intelligent, I mean he needs to be. His ability would be useless if he didn't have knowledge of so many different elements of the universe that carries vectors. Without that knowledge and a quick calculation ability to counter such elements in a battlefield environment, as you said he would be dead. This is why Accelerator isn't as strong or even as effective against Magicians, especially Magic Gods. The Magic System works within rules outside of his field of knowledge, so he wouldn't have any idea on how to truly deflect or counter their attacks. |
Aug 26, 2022 10:43 PM
#14
| while not, physically, his insane processing/computational prowess is what enables him to use his vector ability to its highest level. we can safely say that he’s the most powerful character on the science side of the toaru verse. |
Aug 27, 2022 12:27 AM
#15
Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene I understand that he can change vectors of things, like, if he was poisoned and he knew he was poisoned, and the poison was slow acting enough, he could change the vector of the poison to send it out of his body. I also understand that he is able to deflect attacks automatically basically by reacting to incoming vectors. I'll also accept the teleportation argument, because the objects are just moving through a different dimension and thus still have vectors. But the ability to detect and filter poison in your drink in the first place sounds like a power unrelated to vectors, and I thought espers only had 1 power. Also unrelated, how does he let himself get his ass kicked by Kihara? I understand Kihara is using some dumb trick (which I really don't think should be humanly possible) to land punches on Accelerator, but couldn't Accelerator just use ranged attacks? eh it just how it is really since it's fiction but I'm sure he would be able to know. And yes espers only have 1 power just different applications since vector manipulation can pretty much do almost anything And kihara beating him up. ima try to explain how I can xD throw punch shield ready to deflect pull back fist just before coming into contact shield down throw punch smooth hit He just does this super fast It just seems like some of Accelerator's powers are inconsistent, like they don't really have anything to do with vectors. Well I know how Kihara does it, I just don't really believe a human could possibly move their fists fast enough for that to work lol Brace yourself a sleep deprived idiot is going to attempt this question. So the idea is to teleport poison into his canned drink right? Wouldn’t he notice the weight difference? Even if it’s odorless and tasteless your still adding something which would change the weight. To a normal person it wouldn’t be noticeable but to someone like accelerator who needs to calculate every aspect of his ability down to the most minute detail he’d (probably) notice the difference. |
Aug 27, 2022 5:36 AM
#16
Saku_k said: So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. he's ability isn't changing vectors go rewatch index s3 to learn how he defeats teleporters and go learn how his ability works he is that strong |
Aug 27, 2022 5:43 AM
#17
Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: SawsyMikey said: Saku_k said: Thanks for the reply. I still think Kuroko, or a higher level teleporter would have an easier time defeating him though. Being able to teleport yourself and other things should make it easy to avoid Accelerator's attacks. It should also be easy to assassinate him or something right? For example, teleporting some flavourless, odourless poison into one of his cans of coffee or something. his power automatically filters anything harmful to him so poisoning him is another miss. Accelerator is super smart so there's very few way to get to him lol If his power is just to change vectors, why would his body automatically be able to discern whether something is poison or not before it enters? His subconscious brain automatically determines what's good and whats bad so that means his power is always on. Let's say an esper teleports lethal amounts of cyanide into his drink without him knowing it wouldn't do anything cuz it would filter out imagine an air conditioner filter. it only allowing certain stuff to pass through like air or water but stuff like dust and other junk can't go through. Thats also why he was able to help that pregnant lady in that one scene I understand that he can change vectors of things, like, if he was poisoned and he knew he was poisoned, and the poison was slow acting enough, he could change the vector of the poison to send it out of his body. I also understand that he is able to deflect attacks automatically basically by reacting to incoming vectors. I'll also accept the teleportation argument, because the objects are just moving through a different dimension and thus still have vectors. But the ability to detect and filter poison in your drink in the first place sounds like a power unrelated to vectors, and I thought espers only had 1 power. Also unrelated, how does he let himself get his ass kicked by Kihara? I understand Kihara is using some dumb trick (which I really don't think should be humanly possible) to land punches on Accelerator, but couldn't Accelerator just use ranged attacks? eh it just how it is really since it's fiction but I'm sure he would be able to know. And yes espers only have 1 power just different applications since vector manipulation can pretty much do almost anything And kihara beating him up. ima try to explain how I can xD throw punch shield ready to deflect pull back fist just before coming into contact shield down throw punch smooth hit He just does this super fast It just seems like some of Accelerator's powers are inconsistent, like they don't really have anything to do with vectors. Well I know how Kihara does it, I just don't really believe a human could possibly move their fists fast enough for that to work lol he isn't moving it fast enough he worked and developed accelerators powers so he can tell when to stop and his the first to ever try that against accelerators shield so accelerator was dumbfounded |
Aug 27, 2022 5:46 AM
#18
filimaua13 said: As far as I'm aware it all depends on if Accelerator is aware it exists and the fundemental basics on how it works then no matter what it can't hurt him. His vector shield is a subconscious thing. It filters out everything he would consider dangerous and automatically deflects away from him. For example if he automatically deflects everything, then technically he wouldn't be standing on this earth as he would be deflecting gravity itself. He'd be tossed in the darkness of the universe with nothing to anchor him. But because he is aware of the concept of gravity, its something that's already in his subconscious (I mean its such a basic concept) he's able to remain anchored to this earth. Its the same as oxygen, he obviously needs oxygen to breathe so thats something he automatically doesn't deflect. Now with your question regarding teleporters or other esper abilities, as others have already said even that would be useless. Cos he already is aware of teleportation, he more than likely already knows how their ability is calculated. So such an attack would automatically be deflected. Accelerator is highly intelligent, I mean he needs to be. His ability would be useless if he didn't have knowledge of so many different elements of the universe that carries vectors. Without that knowledge and a quick calculation ability to counter such elements in a battlefield environment, as you said he would be dead. This is why Accelerator isn't as strong or even as effective against Magicians, especially Magic Gods. The Magic System works within rules outside of his field of knowledge, so he wouldn't have any idea on how to truly deflect or counter their attacks. that's was before platinum wings accelerator came into play |
Aug 27, 2022 9:34 AM
#19
| damn, this is a really interesting post. I think teleporters in the toaru universe work using the 11th dimension which, if something is travelling through said dimension, would make it a vector that accelerator should be able to manipulate. kirihara was able to copy abilities or reflect them at least(been a long time since i watched this) but if he's throwing back the same vectors as accelerator or opposite vectors(cause they're going in the other direction and possibly with greater magnitude) then it makes sense that accelerator wasn't able to block then completely as he is only able to manipulate vectors he completely understands and also, physically speaking, he has to provide a greater counter force to whatever is coming his way else his own attack will get cancelled out. accelerator gets 'stronger' when he understands the concept/attack used on him as he is able to control those vectors but if its something he's not seen before, like kakine's dark matter when they first fought in index 3, then he will be susceptible to those attacks. but once he learns the scientific principles behind the attack, then he's pretty much invulnerable to them. |
Aug 28, 2022 12:19 AM
#20
Saku_k said: So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. in the light novel teleportation is explained with vectors but from an anime only lense it would work. I don't know how to use spoiler tags but there is one character who could use teleportation to defeat him. with the explanation from new testament 11 this characters fist would basically automatically be in the right place to do the kihara counter. |
Aug 28, 2022 7:34 AM
#21
Bluagrana33 said: Saku_k said: So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. he's ability isn't changing vectors go rewatch index s3 to learn how he defeats teleporters and go learn how his ability works he is that strong Accelerator says himself though that his ability is to change vectors. I understand he gets stronger later on and can do more things, but at the time of the Sisters arc he isn't quite there yet. But I guess you are just not supposed to think about it too much, the series seems to add new crazier stuff as it goes on anyway. |
Aug 28, 2022 7:40 AM
#22
Saku_k said: Bluagrana33 said: Saku_k said: So I was watching Index for the 10th time, and after watching the Sisters arc, I was wondering. Is it really that hard to defeat Accelerator? They make it out like he is basically invincible and can do anything, but he is only really strong against direct attacks towards him. For example, couldn't a teleporter defeat him? If Kuroko were to teleport something inside him, shouldn't that kill him? He can change vectors, sure, but he wouldn't be able to do that until it's already been teleported in him. I imagine he should also be susceptible to things like Shokuhou's mind control, right? Then there are indirect forms of attacks like Misaka Imouto's attempt to rob him of the oxygen around him. She is only a level 3, so surely a Level 5 like Misaka could do a better job here right? Don't get me wrong, I know he is strong, and gets stronger later, but I feel like his strength is a bit overexaggerated. Changing vectors shouldn't mean you can do literally anything. he's ability isn't changing vectors go rewatch index s3 to learn how he defeats teleporters and go learn how his ability works he is that strong Accelerator says himself though that his ability is to change vectors. I understand he gets stronger later on and can do more things, but at the time of the Sisters arc he isn't quite there yet. But I guess you are just not supposed to think about it too much, the series seems to add new crazier stuff as it goes on anyway. It is changing vectors but like you should know how many applications it has so I just wanted to point that out. I feel you don't know how his ability works in detail , just check it out. He's ability doesn't bullshit and if you watched index and railgun you should know he was last at his strongest before the power boost at the sisters arc |
Aug 28, 2022 5:16 PM
#23
| The answer is yes. |
Aug 30, 2022 5:06 PM
#24
| (Firstly, 10 times! A friend indeed) I agree that Accelerator is not invincible. In fact, I think the whole point of the 20k battles is to show Accelerator what his weaknesses are by means of Rivalry between him and the Sisters. I'm going by vague memories here but I believe it's stated in Railgun that Accelerator would have trouble fighting the Sisters near the end of the experiment, by which I mean they could kill him by utilizing what they've learned about him. The Sisters would target his weaknesses and Accelerator would have to respond, and thus learn, which would then lead to a real invincibility and his designation as a level 6. |
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Aug 30, 2022 5:25 PM
#25
| Well Kihara Amata proved that you you can beat up Accelerator by just pulling your punches at the right moment...and it's not like he's a level 5 Esper or something. He's literally just some dude with no special abilities so...yeh |
-insert NGE meme here- |
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