| I see what you're getting at; I've been really curious about the thing with The Abyss and the 2000 Year cycle, which seems to be the true 'plot'. All the Skeletons, Birthday sicknesses, Bondrewd's experiments were building towards this event that occurs every 2000 years, and we're on the precipice. I feel like this season, aside from establishing important plot points like the white whistle's abilities, took what one might call a thematic detour. There are two themes at the core of this season. 'Home' and 'Value'. And they are pretty intwined. We get to look at adventure and exploration from an entirely different angle. We know Riko has been exploring the Abyss knowing full well she's past the point of return. Her adventure is supposed to symbolise the growth of a child into an adult, something irreversible and ever changing. One thing S1 didn't get into was 'stability'. Riko is always on the move, not caring about a place to call home because exploring the Abyss was her calling. But there are also people who desperately look for the place they can call home. They might be adventurers like her with nothing to lose. That's the Ganja Corps. Vagabonds trying to find their home in the so-called 'Golden City' and ultimately finding it in the darkest place possible was quite poetic. Seeing the show address this concept of 'home' was amazing. The concept of 'Value' is quite simple at the first glance. But it was subjective to every character, and I felt that was handled really well. For instance, Belaf's value was his journey. His memories. All the emotions he felt while he adventured, be it happiness or pain. He even describes passing on his memories to Nanachi as giving them his 'value'. For Gaburoon, it was the time spent with Faputa. Something he also treasured more than anything else. Faputa herself struggles to pinpoint her value because she's defined by her mother's wishes, with nothing to treasure. And by the end, she's looking forward to defining the word on her own. Also, I really liked how symbolic the Opening and Ending were, especially with their lyrics. While the Ending's lyrics can be attributed to various pairings in the show, like Faputa and Reg, Nanachi and Mitty, it was ultimately about Vueko and Irumyuui. The closing line 'Atatakai, kono yami no naka de' (TL: Warmth, in this darkness) is spoken several times in the show by Vueko when she describes Irumyuui. Another line in the Opening, 'Kate ni surunda, rakka no kakera' (TL: I'll use them as provisions, all these fallen petals) directly references Wazukyan using Irumyuui's children as food. I digressed, but I really loved this season. I see your point about the overall progression of the story, but I really love thematic storytelling. Couldn't help myself. |
| Second half of this season just serve as fillers to stretch the story as much as the author can, the same can be said to those new unimportant characters like Faputa, Vueko, Belaf and other villagers. Too bad, really~ |
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Fuma_Buna said: certifiedbinger said: I see what you're getting at; I've been really curious about the thing with The Abyss and the 2000 Year cycle, which seems to be the true 'plot'. All the Skeletons, Birthday sicknesses, Bondrewd's experiments were building towards this event that occurs every 2000 years, and we're on the precipice. I feel like this season, aside from establishing important plot points like the white whistle's abilities, took what one might call a thematic detour. There are two themes at the core of this season. 'Home' and 'Value'. And they are pretty intwined. We get to look at adventure and exploration from an entirely different angle. We know Riko has been exploring the Abyss knowing full well she's past the point of return. Her adventure is supposed to symbolise the growth of a child into an adult, something irreversible and ever changing. One thing S1 didn't get into was 'stability'. Riko is always on the move, not caring about a place to call home because exploring the Abyss was her calling. But there are also people who desperately look for the place they can call home. They might be adventurers like her with nothing to lose. That's the Ganja Corps. Vagabonds trying to find their home in the so-called 'Golden City' and ultimately finding it in the darkest place possible was quite poetic. Seeing the show address this concept of 'home' was amazing. The concept of 'Value' is quite simple at the first glance. But it was subjective to every character, and I felt that was handled really well. For instance, Belaf's value was his journey. His memories. All the emotions he felt while he adventured, be it happiness or pain. He even describes passing on his memories to Nanachi as giving them his 'value'. For Gaburoon, it was the time spent with Faputa. Something he also treasured more than anything else. Faputa herself struggles to pinpoint her value because she's defined by her mother's wishes, with nothing to treasure. And by the end, she's looking forward to defining the word on her own. Also, I really liked how symbolic the Opening and Ending were, especially with their lyrics. While the Ending's lyrics can be attributed to various pairings in the show, like Faputa and Reg, Nanachi and Mitty, it was ultimately about Vueko and Irumyuui. The closing line 'Atatakai, kono yami no naka de' (TL: Warmth, in this darkness) is spoken several times in the show by Vueko when she describes Irumyuui. Another line in the Opening, 'Kate ni surunda, rakka no kakera' (TL: I'll use them as provisions, all these fallen petals) directly references Wazukyan using Irumyuui's children as food. I digressed, but I really loved this season. I see your point about the overall progression of the story, but I really love thematic storytelling. Couldn't help myself. This explanation really helped understand the plot of the second season more. Thank you! I do have some questions about certain points of the season maybe you could clear up. My confusing points: When Reg helps Faputa gain entrance to the village doesn't he know he's basically forsaking the villagers to a terrible fate? Did i understand this right, Faputa came to take her vengence on the villiagers for what they did to irumyuui so she penetrated the village, and the village tried to defend it's self. I missed something where the village accepts its fate and decides to be absorbed by Faputa. Did they telepathically empathize with Irumyuui's past and offer their bodies? I need to go back and re-watch lol. I saw a post earlier that said this village was a purely hedonistic society hence the explanation of their trading system. I guess that might also explain the behaviors of some of the villagers. Could you explain the meaning of that ally scene with those monsters to be anything but super cringe. I don't think Riko learned any life lesson there, and she'd probably fall prey to that situation again. I recall watching Reg struggle with the decision to blow open Ibulu, and I'm pretty sure he knew Faputa would come in. He felt conflicted with his memories returning and his promise to help Faputa fulfill her calling. He was naive enough to believe she would be willing to reason, but as we saw, she wasn't. In Faputa's words, Reg is kind, but foolish. The villagers were aware of Irumyuui's fate, and if they weren't, Faputa's glorious monologue and declaration put her point across. They fed off her mother and it was time to pay. In the end, I felt that they were people who valued that village, their 'home', more than anything else. I think it was a mix of guilt and attachment to the village that made them sacrifice themselves. They wanted Faputa to stop the destruction, and eating them would give her the 'value' she needed. Judging by that symbol in Faputa's eye after she transformed into her new form, she's a living relic. Possibly because of the three cradles. I believe that's the source of her value acquiring powers. I didn't think much of the market scene from a thematic point of view at least, but it functioned pretty well as an introduction to the village's system of value. It's pretty obvious that the author likes to throw in some weird scenes occasionally, but I feel that the actual world is pretty weird as it is. It's quintessential Made in Abyss; can't help you there. |
certifiedbingerOct 2, 2022 11:24 AM
11qwertza said: Rinrinka said: Second half of this season just serve as fillers to stretch the story as much as the author can, the same can be said to those new unimportant characters like Faputa, Vueko, Belaf and other villagers. Too bad, really~ How is Faputa an unimportant character, she literally joins the group at the end of the season What she has done was only screaming, speaking gibberish and say sosu, also she didn't say she will join after Reg offered her to come with them. GalacticSamurai said: Rinrinka said: Bruhh i think you are more confuse regarding this arc than the person who asked for answers,and genius if this arc look like filler to you,then what the whole hxh 1st arc is to you? TROLLER OR BRAINDEAD?Second half of this season just serve as fillers to stretch the story as much as the author can, the same can be said to those new unimportant characters like Faputa, Vueko, Belaf and other villagers. Too bad, really~ HxH 1st arc? That was worldbuilding and actual story, unlike this second half of this season's MiA which looks like I'm watching Naruto fillers. Also no need to get so worked up over a cartoon filler dude :) |
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MunchingJester said: Glad to see some people understand where I am coming from. I also agree with others saying that there are some important pieces of this arc to the overall plot. I honestly think this arc was probably best suited to a 2 hour movie like the dawn of the deep soul arc was. It felt like things dragged on a bit too much in places this season whereas a movie adaptation could have streamlined everything to make more sense and feel more intense/higher stakes. Still can't wait to see what comes next in the story though! Feel very much like you do about having this is a movie. For me the being on the road part and worldbuilding is my favorite bit of this amazing story. Really looking forward to what's coming next too. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
MunchingJester said: Glad to see some people understand where I am coming from. I also agree with others saying that there are some important pieces of this arc to the overall plot. I honestly think this arc was probably best suited to a 2 hour movie like the dawn of the deep soul arc was. It felt like things dragged on a bit too much in places this season whereas a movie adaptation could have streamlined everything to make more sense and feel more intense/higher stakes. Still can't wait to see what comes next in the story though! Yeah agreed here. I felt like this season was too dragged and long and didn't deliver as much as the first half, besides a few key plot points (e.g. Reg's backstory being fleshed out). It could've been better as a movie. |
nyxxaxaDec 10, 2022 8:17 AM
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