| I'm 6 episodes into this, and I can't stop thinking how dumb it is for a series like this to not have gore. like there are heads getting chopped off, bodies getting torn to pieces, and all you see are blobs of red at the place that has been cut and a lot of blood. just why? it makes everyone just seem like balloons of color, is the manga like this too? the show is already very violent, I genuinely don't understand why they would avoid gore. and I know it's not a shounen thing cause chainsaw man had plenty of gore. both these are even by the same studio, so what the hell. example:  look at the arm, the monster feels empty. like it's just filled with pink juice and nothing else inside. just compare the hands to this, and you'll see exactly what I mean, cause it this one, it actually feels like the hand has been shopped off:  |
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| It's pretty gory for a Shonen. Problem wasn't not enough or less graphic violence. It's pretty action packed and violent as it is... |
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| Doubt more gore would have changed anything to be honest. Not like it was heavily censored |
Merve2Love said: It's pretty gory for a Shonen. Problem wasn't not enough or less graphic violence. It's pretty action packed and violent as it is... the problem isn't that it's not violent enough. the problem is that considering how violent it is, it's weird how much it's holding back. it's like if they covered nipples in interspecies reviewers, it just doesn't make any sense. if you have a series that is meant to be ultra violent with limbs getting chopped off every episode, why would you hold back on showing actual gore? |
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| If you think this is some sort of censorship, then you are wrong. Blood becoming red petals seems to be symbolism because there is a lot of references to flowers and stuff, which would make sense, so I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. Also, it's not like Jigokuraku did it first, because ma girl Rita does that as well when she swings her scythe. I guess it's something about beauty and perfection, which would kinda fit what Tosen think they are. |
PiromyslJul 1, 2023 4:15 PM
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APolygons2 said: Merve2Love said: It's pretty gory for a Shonen. Problem wasn't not enough or less graphic violence. It's pretty action packed and violent as it is... the problem isn't that it's not violent enough. the problem is that considering how violent it is, it's weird how much it's holding back. it's like if they covered nipples in interspecies reviewers, it just doesn't make any sense. if you have a series that is meant to be ultra violent with limbs getting chopped off every episode, why would you hold back on showing actual gore? ...How is it holding back?.... It showing chopped off arms and exploding heads IS gore xD Escspecially for a Shonen. It's not like these Show's doesn't exist. There is the "Gore" Genre. But this show is a Shonen, which is broadcast on daytime Tv, literally meant to be consumed by Teens....so yeah....it's not holding back. It's just not what you think it is. |
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Cestlavie_ said: trust me when I say, gore makes violence in shows like this a lot more satisfying. Doubt more gore would have changed anything to be honest. Not like it was heavily censored when I look at the violence in stuff like castlevania, or chainsaw man, it feels a LOT more gritty, impactful, and serious. |
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Piromysl said: I didn't say it was. I have not read the manga.If you think this is some sort of censorship, then you are wrong. Blood becoming red petals seems to be sembolic because there is a lot of references to flowers and stuff, which would make sense, so I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. Also, it's not like Jigokuraku did it first, because ma girl Rita does that as well when she swings her scythe. I guess it's something about beauty abs perfection, which would kinda fit what Tosen think they are. I'm just saying it would be BETTER if they didn't hold back on gore. the original source having or not having it is a non-factor. |
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Merve2Love said: ..How is it holding back?.... It showing chopped off arms and exploding heads IS gore xD Escspecially for a Shonen. It's not like these Show's doesn't exist. There is the "Gore" Genre. But this show is a Shonen, which is broadcast in daytime Tv....so yeah....it's not holding back. It's just not what you think it is. you don't understand. I think it's holding back BECAUSE there are limbs and heads getting chopped off. when someone gets torn in half, the only thing present is not blood. so when you only show blood, and the place that has been cut is actually just a blob of red, it feels almost cartoonish. |
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APolygons2 said: That doesn't make any sense, Im sorry^^ Merve2Love said: ..How is it holding back?.... It showing chopped off arms and exploding heads IS gore xD Escspecially for a Shonen. It's not like these Show's doesn't exist. There is the "Gore" Genre. But this show is a Shonen, which is broadcast in daytime Tv....so yeah....it's not holding back. It's just not what you think it is. you don't understand. I think it's holding back BECAUSE there are limbs and heads getting chopped off. when someone gets torn in half, the only thing present is not blood. so when you only show blood, and the place that has been cut is actually just a blob of red, it feels almost cartoonish. As I explained: It's a Shonen. There won't be any brains splattering or organs flying around....and it makes sense. It's not the Genre for that. Also I think it's pretty truthful to it's source material (Although you miss the nipples, I know, I know). That makes your argument kinda weird to be honest.... |
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Merve2Love said: chainsaw man is a shounen, and that didn't have this problem at all.APolygons2 said: That doesn't make any sense, Im sorry^^ you don't understand. I think it's holding back BECAUSE there are limbs and heads getting chopped off. when someone gets torn in half, the only thing present is not blood. so when you only show blood, and the place that has been cut is actually just a blob of red, it feels almost cartoonish. As I explained: It's a Shonen. There won't be any brains splattering or organs flying around....and it makes sense. It's not the Genre for that. Also I think it's pretty truthful to it's source material (Although you miss the nipples, I know, I know). That makes your argument kinda weird to be honest.... look at the bats arm. there is actually meat there. it actually looks like his arm has been cut off. now compare it to this: the monster just feels like a balloon filled with color. and everything is like that. |
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APolygons2 said: Merve2Love said: chainsaw man is a shounen, and that didn't have this problem at all.That doesn't make any sense, Im sorry^^ As I explained: It's a Shonen. There won't be any brains splattering or organs flying around....and it makes sense. It's not the Genre for that. Also I think it's pretty truthful to it's source material (Although you miss the nipples, I know, I know). That makes your argument kinda weird to be honest.... look at the bats arm. there is actually meat there. it actually looks like his arm has been cut off. now compare it to this: the monster just feels like a balloon filled with color. and everything is like that. Yeah. Chainsaman is pretty special for the Genre. True. The difference in these two pictures is just production value, my dude^^ It's not purposely less realistic or held back xD |
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APolygons2 said: Piromysl said: I didn't say it was. I have not read the manga.If you think this is some sort of censorship, then you are wrong. Blood becoming red petals seems to be sembolic because there is a lot of references to flowers and stuff, which would make sense, so I'm pretty sure it's deliberate. Also, it's not like Jigokuraku did it first, because ma girl Rita does that as well when she swings her scythe. I guess it's something about beauty abs perfection, which would kinda fit what Tosen think they are. I'm just saying it would be BETTER if they didn't hold back on gore. the original source having or not having it is a non-factor. As I said, it's symbolic. This show is not a mindless gorefest like some slasher movie from 80s and it's violent content's purpose is not to just shock the audience. It would defeat the entire premise. It intertwines ugly with beautiful, violent with serene and even as title suggest, hell with heaven. I don't feel like to explain it much further, but this show has this whole "yin yang" theme, which basically means there is no good without evil or darkness without light and everything needs to be balanced. That's it. You bring up Chainsaw Man as an example, but it is just one far side of the spectrum and that doesn't hold back from being a mindless gorefest at times, which is perfectly conveyed by protagonist's power and him being a simpleton. In Jigokuraku things are much more nuanced. |
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Piromysl said: hmmmm... if it's there for themes, then I guess that's fair.APolygons2 said: I didn't say it was. I have not read the manga. I'm just saying it would be BETTER if they didn't hold back on gore. the original source having or not having it is a non-factor. As I said, it's symbolic. This show is not a mindless gorefest like some slasher movie from 80s and it's violent content's purpose is not to just shock the audience. It would defeat the entire premise. It intertwines ugly with beautiful, violent with serene and even as title suggest, hell with heaven. I don't feel like to explain it much further, but this show has this whole "yin yang" theme, which basically means there is no good without evil or darkness without light and everything needs to be balanced. That's it. I'll have to see if you're right as the story goes. it's a very cheap way of doing something like that.... but again, it's fair enough if that's actually the case. |
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| I honestly think the level of gore is fine, I don't need detailed stumps when someone's arm is cut off. I get some people enjoy gore but I think it's a balance too little you get complaints, too much and plenty will be turned off the show and it's rating could change. I think images like your example didn't bother me cause it's a weird religious themed plant monster, it could be filled with confetti and it wouldn't make me think twice. Not to say your criticism isn't valid, some extra detail like the chainsaw man scene you compare it to would look fine too. |
Merve2Love said: APolygons2 said: the problem isn't that it's not violent enough. the problem is that considering how violent it is, it's weird how much it's holding back. it's like if they covered nipples in interspecies reviewers, it just doesn't make any sense. if you have a series that is meant to be ultra violent with limbs getting chopped off every episode, why would you hold back on showing actual gore? ...How is it holding back?.... It showing chopped off arms and exploding heads IS gore xD Escspecially for a Shonen. It's not like these Show's doesn't exist. There is the "Gore" Genre. But this show is a Shonen, which is broadcast on daytime Tv, literally meant to be consumed by Teens....so yeah....it's not holding back. It's just not what you think it is. Chainsaw Man, OP's example, is also a Shonen. This show is also a gore according to MAL tags, Shonen is a demography so they can go together. Also "which is broadcast on daytime Tv" is an obvious lie unless you think 11:00 PM is "daytime" for some reason. |
Merve2Love said: APolygons2 said: chainsaw man is a shounen, and that didn't have this problem at all. look at the bats arm. there is actually meat there. it actually looks like his arm has been cut off. now compare it to this: the monster just feels like a balloon filled with color. and everything is like that. Yeah. Chainsaman is pretty special for the Genre. True. The difference in these two pictures is just production value, my dude^^ It's not purposely less realistic or held back xD Chainsaw Man pretty much isn't special for the genre, not even close. |
Ionliosite2 said: Merve2Love said: Yeah. Chainsaman is pretty special for the Genre. True. The difference in these two pictures is just production value, my dude^^ It's not purposely less realistic or held back xD Chainsaw Man pretty much isn't special for the genre, not even close. In terms of budget, animation quaility and violence?^^ Yes, it is. But I get you're not really arguing any point here...you're just a bit douchy for some reason xD Peace^^ |
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Merve2Love said: (Although you miss the nipples, I know, I know) Honestly, If they were going to censor the nipples anyway, I would have rather them just cover up the entire breast, I can't stand bare breasts without nipples, they look so awful to me. If you're going to have nudity, go all the way, or don't do it at all, imo. Either show the nipple, or have some part of their clothes miraculously stay intact to keep the whole thing covered (they do it all the time with the lower half, lol) Either option is preferable to me, then this weird smooth lump of flesh. |
| It would have been so much better with some damn NIPPLES, fucking weird ass blank tits. |
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Leon888 said: you're right, those godly immortal people don't have this problem. since their insides are tree looking, they did not shy away from showing it.try to see the whole season first, in part 2 there are much more gory scenes |
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Gen2K_ said: I don't think that's the case, I have seen shows with far smaller budgets not do this.You're complaining about the wrong thing. It has gore, the animation quality is just lower than Chainsaw Man or even Jujutsu Kaisen. What you want is better detailed gore but that's not gonna happen since HP seems to be less priority than other Mappa projects. the budget seems to be around the same as vinland saga season 2, and that didn't have this problem.... in theory. they actually censored a lot of the violence so idk how graphic it is for sure until the blue rays come out, but still. hell's paradise has really solid visuals. and they were more than willing to show the insides when the god people came into the story. since their insides are tree and plant looking and all. if it was a budgeting issue, it wouldn't NOT be the case for the only entity that doesn't have normal human insides. it's clearly the case because they didn't want it to THAT violent. which to me is just weird since in every area other than gore, the show is all the way in on being extremely violent. so it just feels off that they shied away in this one aspect. |
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LostSpectre said: It would have been so much better with some damn NIPPLES, fucking weird ass blank tits. Jackson1333 said: Merve2Love said: (Although you miss the nipples, I know, I know) Honestly, If they were going to censor the nipples anyway, I would have rather them just cover up the entire breast, I can't stand bare breasts without nipples, they look so awful to me. If you're going to have nudity, go all the way, or don't do it at all, imo. Either show the nipple, or have some part of their clothes miraculously stay intact to keep the whole thing covered (they do it all the time with the lower half, lol) Either option is preferable to me, then this weird smooth lump of flesh. I just assumed it was meant to be like that since they aren't actually human lol |
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APolygons2 said: I just glanced at the manga, and there's plenty of nudity, unsurprisingly. LostSpectre said: It would have been so much better with some damn NIPPLES, fucking weird ass blank tits. Jackson1333 said: Honestly, If they were going to censor the nipples anyway, I would have rather them just cover up the entire breast, I can't stand bare breasts without nipples, they look so awful to me. If you're going to have nudity, go all the way, or don't do it at all, imo. Either show the nipple, or have some part of their clothes miraculously stay intact to keep the whole thing covered (they do it all the time with the lower half, lol) Either option is preferable to me, then this weird smooth lump of flesh. I just assumed it was meant to be like that since they aren't actually human lol |
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LostSpectre said: I just glanced at the manga, and there's plenty of nudity, unsurprisingly. Gotta keep the horny teens interested, that's the real reason behind this cheap trend. |
| There's enough gore for me, I wouldn't even call the examples in the opening post censorship. |
| I agree violence and profanity go hand in hand with action. And the action shows suffer when there's a lack of blood, broken bones et cetera. |
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