| It simply has low budget animations but the story is certainly good or greater depending on your preferences. Yes, it's like that of a classic anime back then and I am quite fond of it. |
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
| The most common complain is below average arystyle. |
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| This is just an indication of an early score tally based on the margins that the anime going to gain a large score when the episodes is set and done; the final probable score is yet to be determined. |
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Otaku-Max said: The score is 6-7 which means Good. I think it's pretty perfectly rated, some people don't watch/like anime which belongs to non mainstream. Some people rate this low for the animation only they watch one or two episodes and then drop it and score low 🙃 I like this very much so I'll continue watching and complete it 😁 Watching 1-3 episodes (about 30 to 90 minutes) of a 12 episode (about a 6 hour series) is obviously not even close to being enough to judge or rate any anime. Those people should not be allowed to rate the anime on MAL, because it is a distorted rating and unfair to the creators that worked on the anime projects. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
kutchero said: I found this hidden gem anime but it seems like people doesn't appreciate this anime i was wondering what's with the low score?? is it because of the animation?? i wonder what other peoples opinion on this anime this anime is great its like the anime from the 90s classic style and not isekai related There is nothing wrong with this anime. The sound, music, character design, foreground / background art, animation, these are all good. The main plot, background story, dialogue, character interactions, and story arches have been good. Sadly, people don’t have the patience or intelligence to appreciate good anime like this. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
astralkill00 said: It simply has low budget animations but the story is certainly good or greater depending on your preferences. Yes, it's like that of a classic anime back then and I am quite fond of it. You think “low budget animation”? I grew up in the 80s & 90s, this looks really good compared to what used to be produced. What in the world do you consider “High Budget Animation”? |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ilusatus said: 1 more episode, but i think this is 6 at best. And im pretty sure thats just my bias cause i really like the concept and Ange's VA. Im not gonna mad people give it 5/10, thats still make sense to me. Why do you consider this 5-6? Honest question, just curious seeing the comments. Honest opinion, I think this is a 8 at least. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ejleon said: astralkill00 said: It simply has low budget animations but the story is certainly good or greater depending on your preferences. Yes, it's like that of a classic anime back then and I am quite fond of it. You think “low budget animation”? I grew up in the 80s & 90s, this looks really good compared to what used to be produced. What in the world do you consider “High Budget Animation”? Hmm, that's a broad one. I think, for this discussion, a high-budget-anime one would be able to animate every bit of scenes, whether it's minor or not really necessary to the overall story or plot. That's just my take on it. Whether you agree or disagree... 😖😖😖 |
ASinfulPersonageDec 15, 2023 9:01 AM
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
Reply to ASinfulPersonage
ejleon said:
You think “low budget animation”?
I grew up in the 80s & 90s, this looks really good compared to what used to be produced.
What in the world do you consider “High Budget Animation”?
astralkill00 said:
It simply has low budget animations but the story is certainly good or greater depending on your preferences.
Yes, it's like that of a classic anime back then and I am quite fond of it.
It simply has low budget animations but the story is certainly good or greater depending on your preferences.
Yes, it's like that of a classic anime back then and I am quite fond of it.
You think “low budget animation”?
I grew up in the 80s & 90s, this looks really good compared to what used to be produced.
What in the world do you consider “High Budget Animation”?
Hmm, that's a broad one.
I think, for this discussion, a high-budget-anime one would be able to animate every bit of scenes, whether it's minor or not really necessary to the overall story or plot.
That's just my take on it. Whether you agree or disagree... 😖😖😖
| @astralkill00 I apologize if my comment came off as rude/sarcastic, I was just really surprised at people complaining about the art / animation. Thank you for explaining, but I was asking if you could name an example of an anime for me to understand what you mean by High Budget Animation. I think the creators chose a certain artistic style for the anime, and it’s consistent throughout, so it doesn’t look bad. I saw the second season of mushoku tensei, there were scenes where the foreground and background (people included) were literally still, while just the character(s) moved. This show has not been like that and all the background / foreground art and animation have been fluid and smooth. The graphic effects are done well enough to match the art style. I really don’t understand what is bad about it? |
ejleonDec 15, 2023 2:00 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Reply to ilusatus
ejleon said:
Why do you consider this 5-6?
Honest question, just curious seeing the comments.
Honest opinion, I think this is a 8 at least.
ilusatus said:
1 more episode, but i think this is 6 at best.
And im pretty sure thats just my bias cause i really like the concept and Ange's VA.
Im not gonna mad people give it 5/10, thats still make sense to me.
1 more episode, but i think this is 6 at best.
And im pretty sure thats just my bias cause i really like the concept and Ange's VA.
Im not gonna mad people give it 5/10, thats still make sense to me.
Why do you consider this 5-6?
Honest question, just curious seeing the comments.
Honest opinion, I think this is a 8 at least.
At least for me :
1) Fighting scenes are awful.
2) Almost all side characters too cliche, no depth.
3) Both design and colour scheme just bland; clothes, environment, magic, demons, etc.
4) Sound effect, BGM, OST, all not compelling.
| @ilusatus Thanks for sharing, but I realize I don’t see things the same way as you. 1. The fight scenes for this anime serve to carry the plot, since the anime is not focusing on action, it concentrates more on the story. Also, it not trying to be a fight intense anime like “Eminence in Shadow”, so it doesn’t need a lot of animation for the fight scenes to serve their purpose. 2. I have watch my fair share of anime, the side characters are not much different than most anime side characters, meaning side characters are usually cliche. Can you name an anime where this is not the case? 3. This anime does have a certain art style, with not a lot of depth and kind of flat, but it’s consistent enough throughout the anime, so it could just be an artistic choice. I understand not everyone will like this choice, but is not bothered me. 4. Sound effects and Background music sound fine and intro / outro songs are not bad. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ejleon said: Those people should not be allowed to rate the anime on MAL, because it is a distorted rating and unfair to the creators that worked on the anime projects. The ratings of the peoples who did not watched atleast 1/4 of the series once it's finished are all discarded in the calculation. I disagree with the "unfair to the creators..." part tho. If they fail to draw-in fans right from the beginning , it's on them... |
 "Genius lives only one story above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
Alexioos95 said: ejleon said: Those people should not be allowed to rate the anime on MAL, because it is a distorted rating and unfair to the creators that worked on the anime projects. The ratings of the peoples who did not watched atleast 1/4 of the series once it's finished are all discarded in the calculation. I disagree with the "unfair to the creators..." part tho. If they fail to draw-in fans right from the beginning , it's on them... You mean MAL does not count ratings unless watching all 12 or 24 episodes, but how do you know that? Also, I did not mean, one can’t state that the anime didn’t draw them in within 3 episodes, that’s not an issue. I was stating that thinking that watching 1-3 episodes is enough to accurately rate the entire anime of 12 - 24 episodes is illogical. Creators use all the episodes to tell a story, seeing what would be the beginning of the story and believing you know the rest of the story is illogical. This is what multiple people have said when I talked to them about it. That they thought 3 episodes was enough to know how the rest of the anime would be. I have liked the beginning of an anime and then hated how it ended up. I have not liked the the beginning of an anime and then loved how it ended up. That’s why it’s unfair, you can’t judge whether the entire anime is really good or not based on 3 episodes. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ejleon said: You mean MAL does not count ratings unless watching all 12 or 24 episodes, but how do you know that? https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime It's 1/5 of the total count. (I thought it was 1/4 , my bad.) So for a 12 Episodes series , the minimum for the score to count is 3 Episodes (and 6 for a 24 one). ejleon said: I was stating that thinking that watching 1-3 episodes is enough to accurately rate the entire anime of 12 - 24 episodes is illogical. You don't need to accurately judge the entirety of the story tho. You can judge only the premise of the story , what the Author tries to tell , and how he does so. If someone doesn't like/isn't interested in what the Author has shown at the beginning , why should he continue... ? ejleon said: Creators use all the episodes to tell a story, seeing what would be the beginning of the story and believing you know the rest of the story is illogical. It may seem illogical , but when you sense the Author's intentions from the very beginning , it is not difficult to correctly "guess" the direction of the scenario , especially when you have watched/read a lot of "similar" works. Sometimes , this guess will be more or less wrong , and it can be a huge surprise for the watchers/readers. It's exactly because of that that shows like Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica or Shingeki no Kyojin became popular , or that Usagi Drop is hated. But how many such cases can you find... ? Probably not a lot. By the way , you are talking from the standpoint of Animes , but you are forgetting that most of them are merely adaptations. With how the industry of Mangas works , the Authors could gets their story axed any day. That's why most of them makes their themes explicitely visible right from the very beginning. There is also a few cases where what they wanted to do doesn't please the readers , so they suddenly completely changes their intentions. (Bleach & Yuu☆Yuu☆Hakusho , for example.) ejleon said: That they thought 3 episodes was enough to know how the rest of the anime would be. I have liked the beginning of an anime and then hated how it ended up. I have not liked the the beginning of an anime and then loved how it ended up. Sure , but someone that rate everything early (like me) , can simply change his score as he watch more , no ? I personally loves to see the evolution of how much i like/dislike the series through my score fluctuating (but in more than 95% of the time , my initial ratings are the exact same as the final ones...). We can also talk about people who simply drop the story after a few episodes , but that ties back to what i said under the second quote. |
"Genius lives only one story above madness." – Arthur Schopenhauer. "Stupidity is a talent for misconception." – Edgar Allan Poe. "I'm tired... and hungry." – Alexioos95. |
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ejleon said:
You mean MAL does not count ratings unless watching all 12 or 24 episodes, but how do you know that?
You mean MAL does not count ratings unless watching all 12 or 24 episodes, but how do you know that?
https://myanimelist.net/info.php?go=topanime
It's 1/5 of the total count. (I thought it was 1/4 , my bad.) So for a 12 Episodes series , the minimum for the score to count is 3 Episodes (and 6 for a 24 one).
ejleon said:
I was stating that thinking that watching 1-3 episodes is enough to accurately rate the entire anime of 12 - 24 episodes is illogical.
I was stating that thinking that watching 1-3 episodes is enough to accurately rate the entire anime of 12 - 24 episodes is illogical.
You don't need to accurately judge the entirety of the story tho.
You can judge only the premise of the story , what the Author tries to tell , and how he does so.
If someone doesn't like/isn't interested in what the Author has shown at the beginning , why should he continue... ?
ejleon said:
Creators use all the episodes to tell a story, seeing what would be the beginning of the story and believing you know the rest of the story is illogical.
Creators use all the episodes to tell a story, seeing what would be the beginning of the story and believing you know the rest of the story is illogical.
It may seem illogical , but when you sense the Author's intentions from the very beginning , it is not difficult to correctly "guess" the direction of the scenario , especially when you have watched/read a lot of "similar" works.
Sometimes , this guess will be more or less wrong , and it can be a huge surprise for the watchers/readers. It's exactly because of that that shows like Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica or Shingeki no Kyojin became popular , or that Usagi Drop is hated. But how many such cases can you find... ? Probably not a lot.
By the way , you are talking from the standpoint of Animes , but you are forgetting that most of them are merely adaptations.
With how the industry of Mangas works , the Authors could gets their story axed any day. That's why most of them makes their themes explicitely visible right from the very beginning. There is also a few cases where what they wanted to do doesn't please the readers , so they suddenly completely changes their intentions. (Bleach & Yuu☆Yuu☆Hakusho , for example.)
ejleon said:
That they thought 3 episodes was enough to know how the rest of the anime would be.
I have liked the beginning of an anime and then hated how it ended up.
I have not liked the the beginning of an anime and then loved how it ended up.
That they thought 3 episodes was enough to know how the rest of the anime would be.
I have liked the beginning of an anime and then hated how it ended up.
I have not liked the the beginning of an anime and then loved how it ended up.
Sure , but someone that rate everything early (like me) , can simply change his score as he watch more , no ?
I personally loves to see the evolution of how much i like/dislike the series through my score fluctuating (but in more than 95% of the time , my initial ratings are the exact same as the final ones...).
We can also talk about people who simply drop the story after a few episodes , but that ties back to what i said under the second quote.
| @Alexioos95 Thanks for explaining the MAL rating system. I understand now that it is this catering to people that messes up the rating of anime. We are not seeing an accurate judgment of anime. To claim that you can tell what is going to happen later simply because you have read other stories is not only illogical, but it is also arrogant. That very attitude is unfair, you are not allowing the writers to present their own story because you are judging them too early based on a surface level bias. It’s this way of thinking that rates good anime low and bad anime high. I have not seen Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica, Usagi Drop, Bleach, Yuu☆Yuu☆Hakusho, so I won’t speak on them. However, I did see Shingeki no Kyojin, and this was one of the worst anime series I have seen, because I was drawn with the beginning episodes/seasons, but later on I was completely disappointed by what was revealed in the main story, it was the most ridiculous plot I have watched so far in an anime. The entire anime was completely ruined. Here is what should happen, people should only be allowed to rate an anime if they completed all 12 or 24 episodes, not before or less, anything else is unfair to the writers and anime creators. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ejleon said: To claim that you can tell what is going to happen later simply because you have read other stories is not only illogical, but it is also arrogant. Maybe , and yet it's more often accurate than not (especially with series using extremely generic tropes/cliches for their premises. If you know one , you know them all). ejleon said: It’s this way of thinking that rates good anime low and bad anime high. The ratings always were more a popularity contest than anything else. You seems to try to search a meaning in the ratings , when there is in reality none. ejleon said: However, I did see Shingeki no Kyojin, and this was one of the worst anime series I have seen, because I was drawn with the beginning episodes/seasons, but later on I was completely disappointed by what was revealed in the main story, it was the most ridiculous plot I have watched so far in an anime. The entire anime was completely ruined. The diverses shifts in Shingeki no Kyojin retro-actively changes the perception the reader had of the story prior to it. Even if people doesn't likes the shifts themselves , just their existence is commendable. There is only very few works who has such thing , which is why Shingeki no Kyojin is a masterpiece of story-telling (well , aside of the final shift of Eren , which is very weird and contradict everything prior). ejleon said: Here is what should happen, people should only be allowed to rate an anime if they completed all 12 or 24 episodes, not before or less And how would you do for longer series... ? Edit : And i kinda forgot to mention it , but you know that 99% of Animes aren't the entire story either , right ? That's something MAL will never change , anyway. ejleon said: anything else is unfair to the writers and anime creators. You know they don't care one bit about a pseudo-rating of their works (especially a foreigner one) , right ? What matters is the popularity (and income) of it. |
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