Roseydewbs68 said: In my opinion the bad person here is actually marina’s father cuz if it wasn’t for him going out with shizuka’s mother marina’s mom would still be sane and maybe shizuka’s mom wouldn’t be so busy all the time and would have time for shizuka but just my opinion on it PastleStarbun121 said: Honestly, this whole thing would have never happen had Marina’s dad never cheated with Shizuka’s mom, like when you think of it, Shizuka’s parent’s divorce is not her nor their fault, stuff like that just happens when there’s a falling out, it’s no one fault and sometimes out of one control, however it is in one control if they cheat on someone else while married and with a child mind you, because of this Marina’s mom became broken and lashes out on her daughter for her husband’s betrayal and because he is cheating on her with the mother Shizuka, Marina took out her pain by bullying Shizuka as a way of revenge of sort. Marina and her mom have done horrible things (The mother abusing Marina verbally, emotionally, and physical and Marina bullying Shizuka where she even plotted the removal of her dog Chappy) this really all started when Marina’s dad cheated with Shizuka’s mom and eventually left them for her while he still had them Ok, given that i'm starting to hear this more and more, i'm just gonna say it What is with people placing sole blame on Marina's dad? He may be inconsiderate AF and an idiot, but regardless of that, his wife is a grown-ass adult, his stupid-ass behaviour is his responsibility, but her raction to it is NOT And the notion that "had he not cheated on her Marina's mom would still be sane" is ridiculous, because if her reaction to her husband being a massive dick is to abuse her daughter physically and mentally, had he not cheated on her some other reason would've eventually popped up bringing to the exact same results, because someone who is capable of abusing a child was never sane in the first place ^^ SoumyaUkil73 said: Marina's dad is easily the biggest piece of shit in this show. Everyone is fucked up in one way or other, but no one tops him in terms of shittiness |
DigiCatJul 31, 2:08 PM
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| Boiling down a story like this to "who's the villain" is a villanous act |
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| Pretty good conclusion. Marina is slightly more in the wrong but doesn't change much adding what Shizuka also manipulates Azuma & kills Takopi in her timeline. |
| Marina's dad is easily the biggest piece of shit in this show. Everyone is fucked up in one way or other, but no one tops him in terms of shittiness. |
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| I have to agree with the "Society" answer. With all those plot twists about who is bad it happened so far, I think it's safe to say even the adults would have a reason as to why they're like that. In the end society is fucked beyond repairing in this cicle of abuse and injustice. Hence why in my head the end could genuinely be: "The Last Happy Gadget - Nuclear Bomb" |
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Roseydewbs68 said:
In my opinion the bad person here is actually marina’s father cuz if it wasn’t for him going out with shizuka’s mother marina’s mom would still be sane and maybe shizuka’s mom wouldn’t be so busy all the time and would have time for shizuka but just my opinion on it
In my opinion the bad person here is actually marina’s father cuz if it wasn’t for him going out with shizuka’s mother marina’s mom would still be sane and maybe shizuka’s mom wouldn’t be so busy all the time and would have time for shizuka but just my opinion on it
PastleStarbun121 said:
Honestly, this whole thing would have never happen had Marina’s dad never cheated with Shizuka’s mom, like when you think of it, Shizuka’s parent’s divorce is not her nor their fault, stuff like that just happens when there’s a falling out, it’s no one fault and sometimes out of one control, however it is in one control if they cheat on someone else while married and with a child mind you, because of this Marina’s mom became broken and lashes out on her daughter for her husband’s betrayal and because he is cheating on her with the mother Shizuka, Marina took out her pain by bullying Shizuka as a way of revenge of sort. Marina and her mom have done horrible things (The mother abusing Marina verbally, emotionally, and physical and Marina bullying Shizuka where she even plotted the removal of her dog Chappy) this really all started when Marina’s dad cheated with Shizuka’s mom and eventually left them for her while he still had them
Honestly, this whole thing would have never happen had Marina’s dad never cheated with Shizuka’s mom, like when you think of it, Shizuka’s parent’s divorce is not her nor their fault, stuff like that just happens when there’s a falling out, it’s no one fault and sometimes out of one control, however it is in one control if they cheat on someone else while married and with a child mind you, because of this Marina’s mom became broken and lashes out on her daughter for her husband’s betrayal and because he is cheating on her with the mother Shizuka, Marina took out her pain by bullying Shizuka as a way of revenge of sort. Marina and her mom have done horrible things (The mother abusing Marina verbally, emotionally, and physical and Marina bullying Shizuka where she even plotted the removal of her dog Chappy) this really all started when Marina’s dad cheated with Shizuka’s mom and eventually left them for her while he still had them
Ok, given that i'm starting to hear this more and more, i'm just gonna say it
What is with people placing sole blame on Marina's dad?
He may be inconsiderate AF and an idiot, but regardless of that, his wife is a grown-ass adult, his stupid-ass behaviour is his responsibility, but her raction to it is NOT
And the notion that "had he not cheated on her Marina's mom would still be sane" is ridiculous, because if her reaction to her husband being a massive dick is to abuse her daughter physically and mentally, had he not cheated on her some other reason would've eventually popped up bringing to the exact same results, because someone who is capable of abusing a child was never sane in the first place
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SoumyaUkil73 said:
Marina's dad is easily the biggest piece of shit in this show. Everyone is fucked up in one way or other, but no one tops him in terms of shittiness
Marina's dad is easily the biggest piece of shit in this show. Everyone is fucked up in one way or other, but no one tops him in terms of shittiness
| @DigiCat The problem here isn't that he "just cheated", it's that he's also involved in domestic violence on top of that. And saying "it's my money, I'll do what I want" to your wife justifying his indulgence in debauchery is ultimate asshole behaviour, as is reducing the work of a homemaker to "doesn't make any money". He snapped at her for buying a decorative piece for curtains and threw away the food she prepared, yet has the audacity to question why she didn't come to HIS mom's birthday. The thing is I know a few people like this irl, so this hit way harder than it should have. And yes, I stand by my original take, Marina's father is THE dipshit in this show. Ofcourse her mother was in the wrong too, taking all that out on her child, but that's just realistic behaviour you know, when you're subjective to repeated torture from your spouse, it's not unheard of to lose your sanity, happens a lot irl. This show is a lot more grounded to reality than most others in portrayal of toxic relationship. Would you rather have preferred an Ymir Fritz situation where she cared for the king's children unconditionally and was firmly devoted to the king even after centuries, despite him being a straight up asshole to her in his lifetime? |
SoumyaUkil73Jul 31, 10:04 PM
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| Why do people insist that there HAS to be a villain in every anime? This one has no villains. It has terrible people, mostly parents, and some kids who are already starting to become terrible at young age due to the influence. I'm starting to think people who insist on picking sides have really poor understanding of different types of stores. |
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@DigiCat The problem here isn't that he "just cheated", it's that he's also involved in domestic violence on top of that. And saying "it's my money, I'll do what I want" to your wife justifying his indulgence in debauchery is ultimate asshole behaviour, as is reducing the work of a homemaker to "doesn't make any money". He snapped at her for buying a decorative piece for curtains and threw away the food she prepared, yet has the audacity to question why she didn't come to HIS mom's birthday. The thing is I know a few people like this irl, so this hit way harder than it should have. And yes, I stand by my original take, Marina's father is THE dipshit in this show.
Ofcourse her mother was in the wrong too, taking all that out on her child, but that's just realistic behaviour you know, when you're subjective to repeated torture from your spouse, it's not unheard of to lose your sanity, happens a lot irl. This show is a lot more grounded to reality than most others in portrayal of toxic relationship. Would you rather have preferred an Ymir Fritz situation where she cared for the king's children unconditionally and was firmly devoted to the king even after centuries, despite him being a straight up asshole to her in his lifetime?
Ofcourse her mother was in the wrong too, taking all that out on her child, but that's just realistic behaviour you know, when you're subjective to repeated torture from your spouse, it's not unheard of to lose your sanity, happens a lot irl. This show is a lot more grounded to reality than most others in portrayal of toxic relationship. Would you rather have preferred an Ymir Fritz situation where she cared for the king's children unconditionally and was firmly devoted to the king even after centuries, despite him being a straight up asshole to her in his lifetime?
SoumyaUkil73 said: The problem here isn't that he "just cheated", it's that he's also involved in domestic violence on top of that. And saying "it's my money, I'll do what I want" to your wife justifying his indulgence in debauchery is ultimate asshole behaviour, as is reducing the work of a homemaker to "doesn't make any money". He snapped at her for buying a decorative piece for curtains and threw away the food she prepared, yet has the audacity to question why she didn't come to HIS mom's birthday. The thing is I know a few people like this irl, so this hit way harder than it should have. And yes, I stand by my original take, Marina's father is THE dipshit in this show I don't think you understand the notion that being in an abusive situation doesn't give you the excuse to abuse others Marina's dad has no excuse for his behaviour, though i'd like to clarify as far as what the anime shows he never beat his wife, quite an important detail you'll see why later You mention how he justifies his shitty behaviour, diminishes his wife's hard work, snaps at her for buying home decor, throws away the food she makes, yet he has the audacity to question why she didn't come to his mom's birthday Well i can say the exact same thing about Marina's mom, who dumps all her misery onto her daughter, who torments her daughter psychologically, who beats her daughter, let that sink in, beats her daughter, yet she has the audacity to tell her husband he should be ashamed for "beating" (accidently hitting her with the curtain decor) their daughter, she has the audacity to accuse him of what she has been doing herself for i'm assuming ever since their marriege broke down... oh and firendly reminder, the daughter is 9 I fully agree Marina's dad is a piece of shit, but his shitty behaviour in no way is an excuse for her mom's even shittier behaviour, and i also speak from a place of it hits way harder than it should have, i grew up with a mom like Marina's, and i know she got the same treatment from her mom, who in turn got the same treatment from her grandma, i also know that is no excuse for how they treated their own children SoumyaUkil73 said: Ofcourse her mother was in the wrong too, taking all that out on her child, but that's just realistic behaviour you know, when you're subjective to repeated torture from your spouse, it's not unheard of to lose your sanity, happens a lot irl. This show is a lot more grounded to reality than most others in portrayal of toxic relationship. Would you rather have preferred an Ymir Fritz situation where she cared for the king's children unconditionally and was firmly devoted to the king even after centuries, despite him being a straight up asshole to her in his lifetime? Realistic? Very much so. Justifiable? Absolutely not |
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| I think everyone bascially is just a victim of the circumstances to some degree. Neither Shizukas nor Marinas parents started out as bad parents from what we know, but their relationships fell apart for reasons we don't really learn and they couldn't handle it and that in turn also damaged their children quite severly. Maybe if Shizukas father still had contact with her it would have helped, but maybe his new partner didn't want it and so he made the choice not to see her again. Which is terrible, but he probably didn't want another relationship to fail, so he made the choice he felt was right. Maybe, it's just a guess. Also the dog he left behind probably was meant as a gesture to make up for his permanent disappearence somewhat, I doubt he envisioned it being at east the indirect reason for his daughters suicide years down the line. Same with Marinas father, surely he didn't want to fall in love with Shizukas mother (or at least start some sort of relationship with her), but it happened and Marinas mother apparently can't process it. It can happen. Shizukas mother probably also does what she thinks she has to do to make a living for herself and her daughter and if Marinas father is willing to give her money, she is taking it and accepts the cirumstances and maybe even the damage the contact with Marinas father does to his family. If she knows, which I think she must to at least some degree. I doubt she does her job because she enjoys leading people on, but at this point she is probably stuck with it or at least she feels like she is. Azumas mother I find more difficult to judge, because I don't quite get why she is so harsh to him, when his brother for all we know is still on track to take over the clinic and it doesn't really matter that much if he can keep up with him, especially considering that at the end of the day he still does very well academically, just no as well as his brother who seems to be literally perfect in school. I wonder what happened with the father, I don't think he is ever mentioned, so maybe he is dead or at least also absent and that has something to do wih it, but I still don't really see why it makes her bascially hate Azuma. The children mainly seem to lack any sort of moral compass, which is understandable, since they don't really have their parents as guiding figures in their lives and the teachers at school seem to be apathetic to the situation as well, considering the state of Shizukas desk and the fact that nothing seems to be done about it. They don't even seem to be willing to get her a new desk in order to cover it up at least, they just don't seem to care. Azuma at least has his brother, who seems to be the only somewhat normal person in this story, so if he comes out of this at least somewhat unscathed that's probably why. |
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SoumyaUkil73 said:
The problem here isn't that he "just cheated", it's that he's also involved in domestic violence on top of that. And saying "it's my money, I'll do what I want" to your wife justifying his indulgence in debauchery is ultimate asshole behaviour, as is reducing the work of a homemaker to "doesn't make any money". He snapped at her for buying a decorative piece for curtains and threw away the food she prepared, yet has the audacity to question why she didn't come to HIS mom's birthday. The thing is I know a few people like this irl, so this hit way harder than it should have. And yes, I stand by my original take, Marina's father is THE dipshit in this show
The problem here isn't that he "just cheated", it's that he's also involved in domestic violence on top of that. And saying "it's my money, I'll do what I want" to your wife justifying his indulgence in debauchery is ultimate asshole behaviour, as is reducing the work of a homemaker to "doesn't make any money". He snapped at her for buying a decorative piece for curtains and threw away the food she prepared, yet has the audacity to question why she didn't come to HIS mom's birthday. The thing is I know a few people like this irl, so this hit way harder than it should have. And yes, I stand by my original take, Marina's father is THE dipshit in this show
I don't think you understand the notion that being in an abusive situation doesn't give you the excuse to abuse others
Marina's dad has no excuse for his behaviour, though i'd like to clarify as far as what the anime shows he never beat his wife, quite an important detail you'll see why later
You mention how he justifies his shitty behaviour, diminishes his wife's hard work, snaps at her for buying home decor, throws away the food she makes, yet he has the audacity to question why she didn't come to his mom's birthday
Well i can say the exact same thing about Marina's mom, who dumps all her misery onto her daughter, who torments her daughter psychologically, who beats her daughter, let that sink in, beats her daughter, yet she has the audacity to tell her husband he should be ashamed for "beating" (accidently hitting her with the curtain decor) their daughter, she has the audacity to accuse him of what she has been doing herself for i'm assuming ever since their marriege broke down... oh and firendly reminder, the daughter is 9
I fully agree Marina's dad is a piece of shit, but his shitty behaviour in no way is an excuse for her mom's even shittier behaviour, and i also speak from a place of it hits way harder than it should have, i grew up with a mom like Marina's, and i know she got the same treatment from her mom, who in turn got the same treatment from her grandma, i also know that is no excuse for how they treated their own children
SoumyaUkil73 said:
Ofcourse her mother was in the wrong too, taking all that out on her child, but that's just realistic behaviour you know, when you're subjective to repeated torture from your spouse, it's not unheard of to lose your sanity, happens a lot irl. This show is a lot more grounded to reality than most others in portrayal of toxic relationship. Would you rather have preferred an Ymir Fritz situation where she cared for the king's children unconditionally and was firmly devoted to the king even after centuries, despite him being a straight up asshole to her in his lifetime?
Ofcourse her mother was in the wrong too, taking all that out on her child, but that's just realistic behaviour you know, when you're subjective to repeated torture from your spouse, it's not unheard of to lose your sanity, happens a lot irl. This show is a lot more grounded to reality than most others in portrayal of toxic relationship. Would you rather have preferred an Ymir Fritz situation where she cared for the king's children unconditionally and was firmly devoted to the king even after centuries, despite him being a straight up asshole to her in his lifetime?
Realistic? Very much so. Justifiable? Absolutely not
| @DigiCat Yes, I see what you mean. I'm not justifying her mom's behaviour at all, just that her dad is the cause of it all, no matter how we look at it. Everything has a beginning afterall. I agree her mom is also absolutely terrible. |
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