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Jul 23, 2008 7:21 PM
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Want something on the list for either anime or manga? Let me know here and we can think about putting it on there.

If there is ever anything on the list that you don't feel belongs there bring it up here and, again, we'll talk about it being on it.
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Jul 23, 2008 9:45 PM
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Got quite a few unknown titles I've read in my day. Here are the better ones (some others are just unpopular because they suck):

All Manga:

STONe: Rough art style, plotline about pirates in a post-apocalypse, actually rather similar to Skies of Arcadia.

Iron Wok Jan: Story of a 16-year-old Chinese Cuisene chef, Jan Akiyama, who is both a genius and a total jerk. Like, a jackass. Very refreshing twist on cooking manga dynamics.

Dead End: The protagonist, Shiro, meets a girl named Lucy after she falls from the sky and changes his life. The resulting events lead Shiro to a quest of self-identity that ultimately ends in failure. One of my top ten manga, easy.

War Front Spike Hills: A teen pickpocket gets caught up in a classmate's scheme to cheat on a university entrance exam, interesting characters. Never got scanlated past chapter 3.
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Woot. We have manga on the list now. I'll have to read some of those. The one about pirates sounds fund.

I didn't add Iron Wok Jan because it isn't in the manga database and I'm not up to adding it right now. >.<
Jul 25, 2008 9:47 PM
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IWJ's database entry is right here: http://myanimelist.net/manga.php?id=1773
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Jul 25, 2008 10:14 PM
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How strange. When I tried to add it and when I looked for it didn't come up. Maybe I was typing the title wrong. >.<
Aug 7, 2008 5:19 PM
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I think that Bavel No Hon, 1001 Nights are pretty unknown!
Aug 8, 2008 9:12 AM
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Both of them have been added. I'll have to watch those myself, especially 1001 Nights. I'm quite fond of Yoshitaka Amano's art.
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Other animes that are pretty unknown:

-Ginga no Uo URSA minor BLUE (creator of Glassy Ocean)
-A Piece Of Phantasmagoria (creator of Glassy Ocean, it isn't sold with English subtitles and there is no subs on the internet... I watched the raw video and I found it awesome even if I didn't understand what they said XP It isn't even on myanimelist... How can we add animes?)
-Mezame no Hakobune (from Mamoru Oshii)
-The Old Crocodile (from Koji Yamamura (Atama Yama and Bavel No Hon))
-Inaka Isha (still Koji Yamamura)
-Twilight Q (old experimental compilation of two shorts)
-Robot Carnival (same but 7 shorts there)
-Neo Tokyo (3 shorts)

Many shows from studio 4C are pretty unknown I think:
-Tobira O Akete (1995)
-Digital Juice
-Amazing Nuts!

They are the ones I can think of for now... Decide either one you want to include :P
Dec 19, 2008 9:42 PM
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Perhaps Shinkai Makoto's She and her Cat would go well here
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Everything has been added up to this point.
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I'll think about that. While compared to other series, there aren't that many people who have seen it there is still a good number of people who have.
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well, it has almost the same amount of Tenshi no Tamago (Angel's Egg), less than Cat Soup and ~half the same as kigeki, so i tought the serie would enter in the list :D even if its licensed out of the japan i think

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That's true. I suppose it could be added to the list, and if anyone has objections they can bring it up in the thread.
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Gosenzosama Banbanzai! is a very strange(in a good way) and definitely obscure.
I hope it will get subbed till the end though.
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o0kamichan0o suggested She and Her Cat by Makoto Shinkai, but I see it hasn't been added. There is also Tooi Sekai by the same author.
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Suggestion denied. She and Her Cat was once on the relations list, but it was later taken down after a suggestion by a club member due to both Shinkai's and the short's prominence in and out of MAL.

I'm taking Tooi Sekai under consideration, however.
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I think that Tamala 2010 - a punk cat in space is obscure enough to be added here.
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^ Added.
Aug 21, 2009 7:09 PM
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One that should be definitely put up there is:


http://myanimelist.net/anime/4095/The_Restaurant_of_Many_Orders
Aug 21, 2009 8:56 PM

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Added.

I'll definitely have to find that and watch it.
Aug 22, 2009 11:12 AM

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I'm new around, so I'll throw in my 10 cents. Both Mononoke and Shigurui belongs here in terms of style and plot logic.
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Aug 22, 2009 1:36 PM
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The club description said:
This club is for the discussion of those series you don't ever hear about. The series you have to go digging for.


So, no.
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Insania said:
The club description said:
This club is for the discussion of those series you don't ever hear about. The series you have to go digging for.


So, no.


Ah sorry, forgot about that.

But what's the basis for it? I haven't heard both until last week I went digging for them. Here's a quick statistics :

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Mononoke 3387
Shigurui 2563

and from the present list
Cat Soup 3197
Kigeki 5316
Pale Cocoon 4156

So shorts get special treatment because they are harder to come by?
SpunkieAug 22, 2009 2:34 PM
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There was a little discussion earlier on what is the basis for this club. Of course, there is no right or wrong answer. That's the whole point about literary analysis; it's a gray area.

I even posted a brief statement about that a while ago.

(For your convenience.)
I said:
This was something I took into consideration as well. Obscurity would be measured if any of these works were to be properly identified as "anime." None of these works do not fit within the typical conventions neither are they commercial products such as those of Masaaki Yuasa. These are purely the works of animators. All art is meant to be bought and sold, but these are works that were made from pure talent with much thought and insight.


Second, statistics are never accurate in the measurement of what is meant to be obscure. What you presented is based on the number of users on this little corner of the Internet. MAL =/= everyone. There is no real meaning behind them. Mononoke and Shigurui, despite having used experimental techniques in both visuals and storytelling, were first and foremost commercial products. I think Mononoke is a visual masterpiece, but I'd be hard pressed to identify that as obscure.

As SyneNomine said, there is no clear definition for "obscure" as this club is a collection of Japanese animation far outside the typical conventions of anime. Feel free to engage in discourse, but do not use statistics as a criteria for what is obscure. This isn't a social science club.
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Insania said:
There was a little discussion earlier on what is the basis for this club. Of course, there is no right or wrong answer. That's the whole point about literary analysis; it's a gray area.

I even posted a brief statement about that a while ago.

(For your convenience.)
I said:
This was something I took into consideration as well. Obscurity would be measured if any of these works were to be properly identified as "anime." None of these works do not fit within the typical conventions neither are they commercial products such as those of Masaaki Yuasa. These are purely the works of animators. All art is meant to be bought and sold, but these are works that were made from pure talent with much thought and insight.


Second, statistics are never accurate in the measurement of what is meant to be obscure. What you presented is based on the number of users on this little corner of the Internet. MAL =/= everyone. There is no real meaning behind them. Mononoke and Shigurui, despite having used experimental techniques in both visuals and storytelling, were first and foremost commercial products. I think Mononoke is a visual masterpiece, but I'd be hard pressed to identify that as obscure.

As SyneNomine said, there is no clear definition for "obscure" as this club is a collection of Japanese animation far outside the typical conventions of anime. Feel free to engage in discourse, but do not use statistics as a criteria for what is obscure. This isn't a computer engineering or research club.


I'm new to this, so bear with me. I'm not trying to push anything in, just wanted to present some options I liked hoping that they may get watched by a few extra people doing so.

I didn't use statistics to present a basis for what's obscure. It's purely my own belief that Mon. and Shi. can be considered obscure. They are not completely out of the realm of anime, still they twist the usuals of the medium to hardly recognizable.

But I get what you are looking for, Atama Yama and Yamamura's other work are good examples. I'll post if I come across something in the same vein.
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Spunkie said:
I'm new to this, so bear with me. I'm not trying to push anything in, just wanted to present some options I liked hoping that they may get watched by a few extra people doing so.

I understand that, but your post came across as that (and this is also speaking from past experience in this site -- where almost everybody places too much emphasis on numbers). Perhaps if you've given a brief explanation, I wouldn't have minded it. As a result, I responded in kind. If my post came across as hostile to you, I apologize.

I didn't use statistics to present a basis for what's obscure. It's purely my own belief that Mon. and Shi. can be considered obscure. They are not completely out of the realm of anime, still they twist the usuals of the medium to hardly recognizable.

Okay. Fair enough.

But hey, don't be afraid to bring these things up in the future. All of us are willing to discuss about the merits of what you believe to be obscure (such as Mon. and Shi.) or anything else related. Make a thread... drop a line on the comment box, anything. We'll listen.
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Fair amount of skepticism comes with talking on internet. I've done administrative duties on different communities, so I symphatize with that. I would have properly introduced myself in the first place. English is not my mother's tongue, I have to tackle to make a point. Besides experience tells me best intellectual discourse starts a bit rough, I'm not offended ;).

I'm a physics graduate, so my unconscious mind looks for numbers, similarities and what not to draw from, it's almost criminal but unavoidable. Obscurely speaking obscure is too obscure to unobscurate.

I noticed I only watched %25 of what's on the club list, so I'll slow down and take my time gulping them. Now I'm confident this is a carefully chosen list. Enough with off-topic already.

SpunkieAug 23, 2009 12:33 AM
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Understood. ;)
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Human Zoo
http://myanimelist.net/anime/6953/Human_Zoo
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Jumping
http://myanimelist.net/anime/2211/Jumping

I know Tezuka is pretty popular, he's the inventor of the thing for god's sake :). This is one of his experimentals.
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I know Tezuka is pretty popular, he's the inventor of the thing for god's sake :).

Some of our relations have stuff from fairly well-known figures in anime. There isn't anything wrong with your suggestion.

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Another Tezuka anime that should be added is Pictures at an Exhibition. Probably my favourite of his experimental work I have seen so far.
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What's your take on 4C shorts anthologies like "amazing nuts" or "genius party"? I think that's a good&interesting material for the club.
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Ya know, having gone through the relations of the club I can agree with most of them [some I'm wavering on], but I'm not sure about them. I really have no justification for feeling they shouldn't be in the relations either.


I'll go ahead and add them, they do fit, my brain is just not cooperative sometimes.
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Don't mean to play train robber here, Edgey. This is relevant to your point about the relations. I just watched the first two episodes of Gosenzosama Banbanzai. Despite some fairly clever touches such as the theater-inspired touches. It's still fairly conventional in its storytelling and is really a product of the 80's OAV boom than as an obscure work.
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Since I haven't watched it, if you feel it doesn't fit in with the rest of the series listed we can remove it. Perhaps we should try having some sort of review thread to discuss certain series and whether they really do qualify... though that could just be done in this thread I suppose.
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Genius Party has a sequel "G.P. Beyond"l(there's a link on G.P. page).

Insania said:
Don't mean to play train robber here, Edgey. This is relevant to your point about the relations. I just watched the first two episodes of Gosenzosama Banbanzai. Despite some fairly clever touches such as the theater-inspired touches. It's still fairly conventional in its storytelling and is really a product of the 80's OAV boom than as an obscure work.
Well, the same could be said about "Angel's Egg" or "Twilight Q". They are all quite mainstream works if you compare them to "Winter Days" or GAnime series.
I personally think they should be included cause they represent some kind of artistic aproach in "typical anime" so to say.
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Add Kizu. It's a decent short story that is only read by around 700 members.
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I'll admit I'm not 100% clear on the adding methodology - which is probably the proper order of things when dealing with unusual things, but Hundred Stories/100 Stories seems kind of out of place on the list. From what I can tell the art is pretty mediocre and a fair number of people have seen it.

Perhaps this is beside the point since the club is slightly dead, but I have a possible suggestion. I didn't enjoy this anime particularly but I think Eternal Family might me worth adding.
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Sorry for the long delay. Real life issues and a semi-hiatus from online communities keep me from ominously watching over this club.

Despite's Studio 4C's/Koji Morimoto's notoriety, I think Eternal family might have a spot for this club.

As for Hundred Stories, duly noted.
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Sorry for the late reply, I've really been slacking off in my position as an admin.
As to your suggestions I would consider all of them well-known classics in the anime sphere so while they are excellent I'm afraid they wouldn't fit into the club relations.
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Two come to mind:

Cinderella Boy, by Monkey Punch
http://myanimelist.net/anime/301/Cinderella_Boy

And TO-Y:
http://myanimelist.net/anime/2103/TO-Y

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Hello to the community! I'm new here.
I'm looking for surreal-psychedelic manga.I'd prefer that these 2 elements are combined both in plot and in the art style.(something like Kami no Kodomo- a.k.a God's Child or Journey to the End of the World - a.k.a Kono Sekai no Owari e no Tabi).
If any of you guys have any recommendations to make I'd be grateful.
Thanks in advance!
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LongLivePF said:
Hello to the community! I'm new here.
I'm looking for surreal-psychedelic manga.I'd prefer that these 2 elements are combined both in plot and in the art style.(something like Kami no Kodomo- a.k.a God's Child or Journey to the End of the World - a.k.a Kono Sekai no Owari e no Tabi).
If any of you guys have any recommendations to make I'd be grateful.
Thanks in advance!


Hey I was here to recommand it too =)
This club needs to add all works by Kyoudai Nishioka
Otherwise, I don't know if it can help you but I think Clover and Plastic Girl could be interested for you...
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