Caligula Episode 3 Discussion

Sliusarek said:
What a waste of an episode. The first two were just awesome and had me excited, this one - terrible.

I mean, they literally wasted 25 minutes of screen time. The main character spent all his time thinking and accepting this world and the Sunflower spent all her day on that weird tea-party. It would have been okay to slow down the pace if they tried to show off some characters! Within 25 minutes I've learned the following: the girl that looks like the main villain but isn't her, is just an old man who writes about ramen, the Sunflower hates fat people, the photo-taking girl likes... taking photos and was stupid enough to not notice the monsters. Oh, and the main character (who is supposed to be smart and thoughtful) took his sweet time figuring out that he needs others' help when he realized that the world is not normal an episode ago. He should have accepted it already!

I understand that they wanted to send a message about fat people, but it was done very poorly and in a bigoted way. The mother who was not eating enough was not shown as a bad example, while all the obese girls were. Having slightly more weight is as okay as not having any. It's wrong to be ultra-skinny and ultra-obese - yes, but let's not throw chubby people into the fire just because some others decide it's okay to stuff in all the food and forget about self-control. I know a lot of chubby people and they honestly look better than some not-chubby ones. More-so, they self-control themselves better than the "normal" people.
I also know one chubby male who now has more weight simply because looking skinny made him look terrible due to the way his body is built and due to his facial features, he just didn't look right without that weight.

The Sunflower's outburst with "I hate fat people" was not criticized in any way. Why? Why is it that ultra-skinny people who don't eat enough never get criticized? Why do we never criticize this modelling culture where girls that wear dresses on podiums look sick? Honestly, I've expected a better judgment from a Persona 2 writer...

To summarize, the episode's message is wrong and hateful. Having not enough weight and being obese is wrong, yes, but being slightly chubby and being skinny is good. It all depends on each person.

Going back to the actual episode, all the food stuffing and the tea-party was just too much. It could have been 5-8 minutes of the episode but not freaking 25! The episode was boring, empty and filthy. We literally have not moved with the story, so I'm just hoping they wasted this episode to show more in the next one.

P.S. To clear off all the suspicion, this comment is written by a skinny male who appreciates both skinny and chubby males / females. I know that whenever someone tries to say anything about weight, people toss it off as "well, he's just a fatso!".

Sliusarek said:

First of all, I am not "dude". Second of all, be more respectful to other people. I shall not accept your "da fuqs".

I'll close my eyes on your disrespect for once (just this once) and will respond.

I know not who is Naruko. The anime does a terrible job of making me remember the names. Googling it, she appears to be the photo-taking girl. You really want to tell me that she accepted the tea-party as something normal? There is very little info on how this world works and throwing in something like this is not acceptable.

To know the character of Mifue? What is that I know about her after this episode? I don't even remember her name! There is almost no info on her, except that she has a sick mother (shown not in this episode) and that she is a fat-hating person. That is it.
SweetP. Yeah, she's a deep character, haha. Probably, some of the laziest villains I've seen.

What? Where did she properly explain it? I've seen nothing but food stuffing in this episode.

"In the game". Friend, I don't give a damn about what happened in the game. The anime exists in its own universe. You know she has this problem because you've played the game. I didn't. You'd not know it if you just saw the anime. Thus, the anime does a terrible job of explaining these things.

As of me making up the fat message, you are wrong. Perhaps, it is different for someone who knows the source material, but you have to understand that this is the impression this episode left on me and most likely other people.
There is almost no info on how the universe of this anime works, but we can spend a whole episode on a tea-party. Brilliant.

Don't expect me to respond to your messages. You need to be respectful to others to expect people to treat you better than a typical Internet-worm.

Sliusarek said:

First of all, I am not "dude". Second of all, be more respectful to other people. I shall not accept your "da fuqs".

I'll close my eyes on your disrespect for once (just this once) and will respond.

I know not who is Naruko. The anime does a terrible job of making me remember the names. Googling it, she appears to be the photo-taking girl. You really want to tell me that she accepted the tea-party as something normal? There is very little info on how this world works and throwing in something like this is not acceptable.

To know the character of Mifue? What is that I know about her after this episode? I don't even remember her name! There is almost no info on her, except that she has a sick mother (shown not in this episode) and that she is a fat-hating person. That is it.
SweetP. Yeah, she's a deep character, haha. Probably, some of the laziest villains I've seen.

What? Where did she properly explain it? I've seen nothing but food stuffing in this episode.

"In the game". Friend, I don't give a damn about what happened in the game. The anime exists in its own universe. You know she has this problem because you've played the game. I didn't. You'd not know it if you just saw the anime. Thus, the anime does a terrible job of explaining these things.

As of me making up the fat message, you are wrong. Perhaps, it is different for someone who knows the source material, but you have to understand that this is the impression this episode left on me and most likely other people.
There is almost no info on how the universe of this anime works, but we can spend a whole episode on a tea-party. Brilliant.

Don't expect me to respond to your messages. You need to be respectful to others to expect people to treat you better than a typical Internet-worm.

Sliusarek said:

A character having a distaste for fat people is "I don't like fat people". A character promoting bigoted views on others is this - https://youtu.be/5_VNI2ENlQM?t=14m26s
Or, perhaps, you feel similar to the character's "point of view"? :)

I think, there is no need to say anything else. Your reaction speaks for itself.

Sliusarek said:

Uhm, are you serious or just pretending? "Dislike" and "I HATE YOU FAT PEOPLE. AAAAHHH" are quite different, that they are. If you can't see that - I guess, you just don't want to.

You seem to be quite interested not in this anime's quality of story-telling, but in me "being offended'. I literally have no idea why it is so important for you to see me offended. I have a tremendous day today and my mood is the best it has been during this week. I am experiencing a lot of fun watching some other anime and cooking lunch while chatting with my friends. This episode left me disgusted for a moment. I shared my thoughts and left it all there. The End.

To focus so much on me being potentially hurt, you must have some "sheltered life" and "lack of spine" yourself. A bad anime is a bad anime, nothing more. I'd debate about the "fictional character", but that would take too much of my time...

I have explained my disgust towards this week's episode but you clearly seem to be interested not in discussing the good and bad of this anime. Your interest is in finding people that are hurt and offended. Well, you got the wrong one this time, so look someplace else, I guess.

Ah, my perception of others doesn't serve me right. How can I take a person seriously if he / she allows themselves to assume that one's life is sheltered because of one comment. Perhaps, you truly are no different from the mentioned character. Or, at least, what is known about her as of now.

Must I tell you that I won't follow-up this baseless "discussion"?

Theblade12 said:
...How are you people not realizing that Sliusarek is a troll? They just don't sound authentic at all. It's as if they're playing a character.

Sliusarek said:

Uhm, are you serious or just pretending? "Dislike" and "I HATE YOU FAT PEOPLE. AAAAHHH" are quite different, that they are. If you can't see that - I guess, you just don't want to.

You seem to be quite interested not in this anime's quality of story-telling, but in me "being offended'. I literally have no idea why it is so important for you to see me offended. I have a tremendous day today and my mood is the best it has been during this week. I am experiencing a lot of fun watching some other anime and cooking lunch while chatting with my friends. This episode left me disgusted for a moment. I shared my thoughts and left it all there. The End.

To focus so much on me being potentially hurt, you must have some "sheltered life" and "lack of spine" yourself. A bad anime is a bad anime, nothing more. I'd debate about the "fictional character", but that would take too much of my time...

I have explained my disgust towards this week's episode but you clearly seem to be interested not in discussing the good and bad of this anime. Your interest is in finding people that are hurt and offended. Well, you got the wrong one this time, so look someplace else, I guess.

Ah, my perception of others doesn't serve me right. How can I take a person seriously if he / she allows themselves to assume that one's life is sheltered because of one comment. Perhaps, you truly are no different from the mentioned character. Or, at least, what is known about her as of now.

Must I tell you that I won't follow-up this baseless "discussion"?

marzus said:
One big question showed up in my mind: How is possible that Naruko knew SweetP was an old gross man?

Tarotist said:


Well for one, Naruko seems to be a gossip monger who knows just about all the latest gossip on the internet given how much she uses her phone. Also, it might be a bit of a blur, but do you remember that ramen shop that Ritsu and his friends visited in episode 1?

SparkleDuck said:

I've actually known quite a few real people like this, not even joking. But, I'll applaud them if they are trolling.

marzus said:

Yeah, I get it, but still... does the fact that Naruko knew who SweetP was/is in the real world mean that all of them were "transfered" into Mobius just recently? Because, if the Mobius is something they've been living for a longer time ( or the whole life ) then it doesn't make sense for Naruko and anybody else to know /anything/ about the real world.

Sliusarek said:


You seem to be quite interested not in this anime's quality of story-telling, but in me "being offended'. I literally have no idea why it is so important for you to see me offended. I have a tremendous day today and my mood is the best it has been during this week. I am experiencing a lot of fun watching some other anime and cooking lunch while chatting with my friends. This episode left me disgusted for a moment. I shared my thoughts and left it all there. The End.