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Oct 21, 2025 6:49 AM
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@Leon888 I saw you reply before you changed it. It doesn't prove your point, it just means you have double standards. You let demon slayer pass but solo leveling is mid. You're not consistent in your logic, your just cherry picking an anime you didn't like that you would've rather seen the animation in the animes you watched.

It doesn't matter at the end of the day you don't get to decide how animation studios choose what manga series their going to work on. Sounding very entitled.

But hey if you would like it, you can open up your own studio. Get the licenses and creators of series to work with you to focus on animes that you like. Other than waste time yapping about what you think deserves this or that. Cloverwork did good work on what they worked. End of story, move on. You are in the right to criticize bad work done by studios. But you don't get to to decide what get's worked on.
@Liental I still have to figure out what Solo Leveling has to do with this when I haven't even mentioned it in this entire thread... and I've never changed replies, what comments are you reading? Demon Slayer and Solo Leveling are both half-baked productions, but Demon Slayer has a better anime than Solo Leveling, that's all.
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@dazedcowcow62 Kudos to you for proving me right, since your only point is accusing me of being a decoy because you can't deny that Wind Breaker is mid as Solo leveling, lmao...

This. and you changed from your recent reply to me from "it proves my point" towards "it proves that they are in the right" in the reply to me. Also for cherry picking I meant Wind breaker if that wasn't clear enough.
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@CheliosX What story? This anime has no story, it's just retarded kids fighting with each other... if that's the good part, then any fanfiction written by a child is good.
Also, what kind of character writing? They're all extremely flat characters, which are good because, yes, there's no psychological depth, no real growth, and no moral conflict. The only thing they have is the fact that in the end, the good guys either defeat the bad guys or become friends, Fairy Tail-style...
Are we really praising a product like this?

you watched s1 and s2 and came to this conclusion? the guys from Gravel and Shishitoren? there's no need to have this conversation then.
you're free to believe what you want to believe.
like I said before, the story centers around Sakura's growth and coming from a manga reader, everything you said really holds no ground
"Wind Breaker has flat characters", lmao. it's fine to hate or not like it, gng. you say "retarded kids fighting each other" but it's fine to say you don't like or understand the story instead of using your hate to equate it to being mid.
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@amentet If the writing is terrible, can you blame us? I'd write you a story like that, and you'd still think it was good because anyone could write it, even a 10-year-old... Do you really want to see a show where the characters try to improve and heal from their traumas? Check out Vinland Saga.

The writing is great and the trauma is realistic to everyday life. The story is about traumas you can find anywhere, not huge dramatized events.

Shishitoren arc was about the emptiness of depression and being too scared of losing what you have to stand up for what's right. KEEL arc was about not trying to solve all your problems yourself and letting the people you care about help when they try to. Tsubaki's intro is about unapologetically being yourself and doing what makes you happy. Gravel arc takes the KEEL arc a step further and is about asking for help instead of giving up on yourself (morally or physically).

The traumas of WB characters are small and light compared to most series. It's okay to not be interested in a series focused on more grounded and common issues, but that doesn't make the writing poor.
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Leon888 said:
@MusashiKarlsefni It's the studio's fault for wasting time with a product like this, but they instead scuttled The Promised Neverland for who knows why...

The Promised Neverland situation is inexplicable tbh. But I feel you. I would prefer they focus on continuing the Shadows House adaptation (it’s possible they do when the manga ends I guess) over this, but I’m sure this is more lucrative for them. Especially considering it’s fujoshi bait
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Leon888 said:
@MusashiKarlsefni It's the studio's fault for wasting time with a product like this, but they instead scuttled The Promised Neverland for who knows why...

The Promised Neverland situation is inexplicable tbh. But I feel you. I would prefer they focus on continuing the Shadows House adaptation (it’s possible they do when the manga ends I guess) over this, but I’m sure this is more lucrative for them. Especially considering it’s fujoshi bait
@MusashiKarlsefni Honestly, who's following this? I remember there was a bit of talk about it in season 1, but this season 2, no one was talking about it.
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Leon888 said:
@CheliosX What story? This anime has no story, it's just retarded kids fighting with each other... if that's the good part, then any fanfiction written by a child is good.
Also, what kind of character writing? They're all extremely flat characters, which are good because, yes, there's no psychological depth, no real growth, and no moral conflict. The only thing they have is the fact that in the end, the good guys either defeat the bad guys or become friends, Fairy Tail-style...
Are we really praising a product like this?

you watched s1 and s2 and came to this conclusion? the guys from Gravel and Shishitoren? there's no need to have this conversation then.
you're free to believe what you want to believe.
like I said before, the story centers around Sakura's growth and coming from a manga reader, everything you said really holds no ground
"Wind Breaker has flat characters", lmao. it's fine to hate or not like it, gng. you say "retarded kids fighting each other" but it's fine to say you don't like or understand the story instead of using your hate to equate it to being mid.
@CheliosX Do these really seem like well-crafted characters to you? Then any anime will have well-crafted characters for you, lmao
Oct 26, 2025 1:15 PM
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Leon888 said:
@amentet If the writing is terrible, can you blame us? I'd write you a story like that, and you'd still think it was good because anyone could write it, even a 10-year-old... Do you really want to see a show where the characters try to improve and heal from their traumas? Check out Vinland Saga.

The writing is great and the trauma is realistic to everyday life. The story is about traumas you can find anywhere, not huge dramatized events.

Shishitoren arc was about the emptiness of depression and being too scared of losing what you have to stand up for what's right. KEEL arc was about not trying to solve all your problems yourself and letting the people you care about help when they try to. Tsubaki's intro is about unapologetically being yourself and doing what makes you happy. Gravel arc takes the KEEL arc a step further and is about asking for help instead of giving up on yourself (morally or physically).

The traumas of WB characters are small and light compared to most series. It's okay to not be interested in a series focused on more grounded and common issues, but that doesn't make the writing poor.
@amentet You can literally find these concepts in a thousand other souls made ten thousand times better, just as you can say that everything is beautiful as long as you try to find and enhance whatever aspect you find pleasing...
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Leon888 said:
@CheliosX Do these really seem like well-crafted characters to you? Then any anime will have well-crafted characters for you, lmao

you've watched s1 and s2? do those boys look like one dimensional characters? they have goals, growth arcs, distance personalities, and emotional stakes. Sakura, Hajime, Togame, Tsubakino etc sure, the story has its flaws, but saying it has no well written characters is...idk, not true. if you're being subjective, it's fine. I didn't say they're "exceptionally" well written, no. they're well written is what I said.
and your deduction about me calling any character well written; if it's bait, nice try. if you meant it, you couldn't be any more wrong. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ
anyways, you can believe what you wanna believe or not like WB at all.
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Leon888 said:
@amentet If the writing is terrible, can you blame us? I'd write you a story like that, and you'd still think it was good because anyone could write it, even a 10-year-old... Do you really want to see a show where the characters try to improve and heal from their traumas? Check out Vinland Saga.

The writing is great and the trauma is realistic to everyday life. The story is about traumas you can find anywhere, not huge dramatized events.

Shishitoren arc was about the emptiness of depression and being too scared of losing what you have to stand up for what's right. KEEL arc was about not trying to solve all your problems yourself and letting the people you care about help when they try to. Tsubaki's intro is about unapologetically being yourself and doing what makes you happy. Gravel arc takes the KEEL arc a step further and is about asking for help instead of giving up on yourself (morally or physically).

The traumas of WB characters are small and light compared to most series. It's okay to not be interested in a series focused on more grounded and common issues, but that doesn't make the writing poor.

oh my goodness, thank you. this guy gets it. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿพ
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Leon888 said:
@CheliosX Do these really seem like well-crafted characters to you? Then any anime will have well-crafted characters for you, lmao

you've watched s1 and s2? do those boys look like one dimensional characters? they have goals, growth arcs, distance personalities, and emotional stakes. Sakura, Hajime, Togame, Tsubakino etc sure, the story has its flaws, but saying it has no well written characters is...idk, not true. if you're being subjective, it's fine. I didn't say they're "exceptionally" well written, no. they're well written is what I said.
and your deduction about me calling any character well written; if it's bait, nice try. if you meant it, you couldn't be any more wrong. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿพ
anyways, you can believe what you wanna believe or not like WB at all.
@CheliosX Exactly, they are all bot characters who do things only for the convenience of the plot or the strength of friendship, none of them are real well-written characters... if you are satisfied with this then I recommend Tokyo Revengers is the perfect anime for you
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@CheliosX Exactly, they are all bot characters who do things only for the convenience of the plot or the strength of friendship, none of them are real well-written characters... if you are satisfied with this then I recommend Tokyo Revengers is the perfect anime for you

I can't say you didn't understand the characters or the story since this is your own POV so i won't argue this anymore.
you're free to believe what you want to believe, to each their own in the end. I've seen and read Tokyo Revengers btw so don't bother, thanks.
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CheliosX said:
amentet said:

The writing is great and the trauma is realistic to everyday life. The story is about traumas you can find anywhere, not huge dramatized events.

Shishitoren arc was about the emptiness of depression and being too scared of losing what you have to stand up for what's right. KEEL arc was about not trying to solve all your problems yourself and letting the people you care about help when they try to. Tsubaki's intro is about unapologetically being yourself and doing what makes you happy. Gravel arc takes the KEEL arc a step further and is about asking for help instead of giving up on yourself (morally or physically).

The traumas of WB characters are small and light compared to most series. It's okay to not be interested in a series focused on more grounded and common issues, but that doesn't make the writing poor.

oh my goodness, thank you. this guy gets it. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿพ

Honestly it's a little ridiculous people spend so much time looking for things to complain about. As much as I love this genre combo, unfortunately we get people like this when slice of life/drama is paired with action shounen. There are plenty of pure action shounen that don't try to break the mold into other genres, I don't see the need to go out of their way to complain about a series they can just.. not watch in lieu of others that more fit their taste.
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CheliosX said:

oh my goodness, thank you. this guy gets it. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿพ

Honestly it's a little ridiculous people spend so much time looking for things to complain about. As much as I love this genre combo, unfortunately we get people like this when slice of life/drama is paired with action shounen. There are plenty of pure action shounen that don't try to break the mold into other genres, I don't see the need to go out of their way to complain about a series they can just.. not watch in lieu of others that more fit their taste.

man, you said it all. thank you. you actually know ball. the moment battle shลnen gets paired with slice of life or the likes, most people reach the conclusion of it not having good story or characters, like dude. ๐Ÿ˜ฎ‍๐Ÿ’จ
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CheliosX said:
amentet said:

The writing is great and the trauma is realistic to everyday life. The story is about traumas you can find anywhere, not huge dramatized events.

Shishitoren arc was about the emptiness of depression and being too scared of losing what you have to stand up for what's right. KEEL arc was about not trying to solve all your problems yourself and letting the people you care about help when they try to. Tsubaki's intro is about unapologetically being yourself and doing what makes you happy. Gravel arc takes the KEEL arc a step further and is about asking for help instead of giving up on yourself (morally or physically).

The traumas of WB characters are small and light compared to most series. It's okay to not be interested in a series focused on more grounded and common issues, but that doesn't make the writing poor.

oh my goodness, thank you. this guy gets it. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿพ

Honestly it's a little ridiculous people spend so much time looking for things to complain about. As much as I love this genre combo, unfortunately we get people like this when slice of life/drama is paired with action shounen. There are plenty of pure action shounen that don't try to break the mold into other genres, I don't see the need to go out of their way to complain about a series they can just.. not watch in lieu of others that more fit their taste.
@amentet If the series sucks, why would it be bad to reiterate it? Do you want shonen that break the mold? Read HxH then, that's a properly made product, not Mid Breaker.
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@amentet If the series sucks, why would it be bad to reiterate it? Do you want shonen that break the mold? Read HxH then, that's a properly made product, not Mid Breaker.

I've been watching anime for 20 years. I've seen all of the big name shounen (I haven't recorded them here since I've mostly been recording what I've watched since creating this account). This series does a great job of being emotionally mature, and I'm all for a series that shows it's okay for guys to have modern-day emotions and traumas, too. Other shounen have huge dramatic life events - this one is just real things that can happen to real people, with a little bit of action mixed in. I like this series because it breaks the shounen action mold of everything being a life-threatening near-apocalyptic event. Although, it does become more like a shounen sport series rather than shounen action because of it (which I don't mind, I like those, too).
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@amentet If the series sucks, why would it be bad to reiterate it? Do you want shonen that break the mold? Read HxH then, that's a properly made product, not Mid Breaker.

I've been watching anime for 20 years. I've seen all of the big name shounen (I haven't recorded them here since I've mostly been recording what I've watched since creating this account). This series does a great job of being emotionally mature, and I'm all for a series that shows it's okay for guys to have modern-day emotions and traumas, too. Other shounen have huge dramatic life events - this one is just real things that can happen to real people, with a little bit of action mixed in. I like this series because it breaks the shounen action mold of everything being a life-threatening near-apocalyptic event. Although, it does become more like a shounen sport series rather than shounen action because of it (which I don't mind, I like those, too).
@amentet The series is so real that adults, police, parents, teachers, etc. have completely disappeared, but gang wars between kids are apparently everyday things, which adds to the realism of the series... like the fact that kids have to take care of protecting a neighborhood/city, or the fact that in one school everyone is super do-gooder, while in another everyone is mentally ill... you've confirmed to me that watching anime for 20 years means nothing if the level is this ๐Ÿ˜‚
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Leon888 said:
@amentet The series is so real that adults, police, parents, teachers, etc. have completely disappeared, but gang wars between kids are apparently everyday things, which adds to the realism of the series... like the fact that kids have to take care of protecting a neighborhood/city, or the fact that in one school everyone is super do-gooder, while in another everyone is mentally ill... you've confirmed to me that watching anime for 20 years means nothing if the level is this ๐Ÿ˜‚

You know, reading comprehension not being your forte really isn't surprising after this thread. It's very obvious I'm talking about the emotional aspect of the series and each character's respective traumas as being realistic to everyday life.
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Yep, it’s just you. People didn’t forget about Windbreaker during S2. I’ll even say S2 surpassed S1
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Leon888 said:
@amentet The series is so real that adults, police, parents, teachers, etc. have completely disappeared, but gang wars between kids are apparently everyday things, which adds to the realism of the series... like the fact that kids have to take care of protecting a neighborhood/city, or the fact that in one school everyone is super do-gooder, while in another everyone is mentally ill... you've confirmed to me that watching anime for 20 years means nothing if the level is this ๐Ÿ˜‚

You know, reading comprehension not being your forte really isn't surprising after this thread. It's very obvious I'm talking about the emotional aspect of the series and each character's respective traumas as being realistic to everyday life.
@amentet But hahahahahahahaha you're basically admitting that this show sucks narratively, lmao. The characters are too emotional, look at them fighting each other all the time while making friends with the bullies they beat up ๐Ÿคฃ
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Yep, it’s just you. People didn’t forget about Windbreaker during S2. I’ll even say S2 surpassed S1
@Ugly11 Yet it is talked about more in my post than in the whole community, lol
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@amentet But hahahahahahahaha you're basically admitting that this show sucks narratively, lmao. The characters are too emotional, look at them fighting each other all the time while making friends with the bullies they beat up ๐Ÿคฃ

Not in the slightest? I was addressing a specific aspect of the show that I like. You went "What about this completely unrelated thing? Gotcha!" So it was explained to you what the specific thing that was being talked about was, because you seemed to need some handholding there.

Some of us enjoy shows that don't waste our time on things that are irrelevant to the plot. Windbreaker's plot is how a traumatized kid's peers help him grow. (Emphasis on "peers" here. Fellow students. Not school. Not teachers. Not parents.) Teachers exist but we don't see them because we don't need to. Classes happen like normal, but we don't see that because it isn't needed for the plot. Cops exist, but we don't see them because *this narrative doesn't need them.*

In the manga, we do meet more parents and adults that are actually relevant to the plot, we just haven't totally gotten there yet. We've already seen one so far, the old man widower. He was important because he was the one who inspired Tsubaki, who is a peer and therefore important to the plot.

It helps a lot with media literacy when we learn to pay attention to things beyond the surface. Oh no, no cops shown? No teachers shown? How will you ever cope with the series not taking unnecessary pit stops and wasting our time with unnecessary world building? (Since I think this might not be understood here, emphasizing "unnecessary" here. There are plenty of times where world building is needed. Windbreaker has world building, the scope of that world is just smaller, the exact size needed for the plot to continue without getting side tracked.)
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@amentet But hahahahahahahaha you're basically admitting that this show sucks narratively, lmao. The characters are too emotional, look at them fighting each other all the time while making friends with the bullies they beat up ๐Ÿคฃ

Not in the slightest? I was addressing a specific aspect of the show that I like. You went "What about this completely unrelated thing? Gotcha!" So it was explained to you what the specific thing that was being talked about was, because you seemed to need some handholding there.

Some of us enjoy shows that don't waste our time on things that are irrelevant to the plot. Windbreaker's plot is how a traumatized kid's peers help him grow. (Emphasis on "peers" here. Fellow students. Not school. Not teachers. Not parents.) Teachers exist but we don't see them because we don't need to. Classes happen like normal, but we don't see that because it isn't needed for the plot. Cops exist, but we don't see them because *this narrative doesn't need them.*

In the manga, we do meet more parents and adults that are actually relevant to the plot, we just haven't totally gotten there yet. We've already seen one so far, the old man widower. He was important because he was the one who inspired Tsubaki, who is a peer and therefore important to the plot.

It helps a lot with media literacy when we learn to pay attention to things beyond the surface. Oh no, no cops shown? No teachers shown? How will you ever cope with the series not taking unnecessary pit stops and wasting our time with unnecessary world building? (Since I think this might not be understood here, emphasizing "unnecessary" here. There are plenty of times where world building is needed. Windbreaker has world building, the scope of that world is just smaller, the exact size needed for the plot to continue without getting side tracked.)
@amentet Well, I see you're having a hard time grasping that saying the world of Windbreaker is limited to the peer group is one thing; believing this to be an absolute strength is another.
If the author has to cut out the entire adult world (police, school, family) to ensure the plot moves forward "without unnecessary pauses," that's not a sign of efficient writing, but of fragile writing. It means the narrative isn't capable of handling the complications that reality imposes, like the legal or academic consequences of fighting in the street, lmao.
I'm surprised I have to argue that absence isn't coherent, it's laziness to avoid having to write how those characters would relate to normal social norms.
But if we follow your logic, then why do you say that the only adult who appears, "the old widower," was important and we only saw him because he inspired Tsubaki?
Let me get this straight: if a random adult can appear, inspire someone, and be considered essential to the plot, then the rule of excluding adults is nothing more than convenience, broken when it suits the plot, hahaha.
Why is that adult acceptable to the narrative, while the protagonists' parents (who would have a huge impact on their emotional growth) or the police officers (who would have an impact on their lifestyle) are unnecessary?
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