The Implications of a "Magic Nullifying Crystal"

ktg said:

Lol, you really can't read. xDDD

Let's say there's 10 meters between Frieren and Stark while Stark is holding THAT crystal with 3 meters radius. Frieren at her position gives a rock HUGE momentum with magic and then immediately stops using magic on the rock, so that rock is flying towards Stark
From our POV, there are 2 important factors here: the rock and its momentum. The rock is not magic, so even if it enters that 3 radius range, it wouls still exist. While it was created with magic, the rock's momentum is not magic, therefore even after it enters the crystal's radius, it would still have the same momentum.
So, the conclusion is that the rock would still exist and still fly towards Stark, therefore it would hit him. Because everything that was magic-y, happened to the rock before it entered the crystal's radius.


No, it wouldn't really. A warrior is dangerous in close range. Therefore it does not really help the warrior to be faster or have better chances to close the range between them. A mage would try to keep their distance either way.


No, I pretty clearly stated that mages outside of the radius cast spells on REAL objects, giving them attributes that are not magic based - e.g. speed -, so it could enter that radius and successfully attack the person who holds the crystal.

Not a hard concept, maybe after 4 comments where I keep repeating the same sentences, you might understand it.

ktg said:
Because you can't really use it as a weapon. If you simply make a barrier of physical substance - e.g. earth wall - it won't cancel anything and you would be able to block the attack.
Also if it's really rare, then shooting it isn't worth it because you could lose it.
And lastly based on what Frieren said usually it's pretty small and it has a small range. Like it doesn't matter if you throw at them when it cannot cover the mage's whole body. Like yes, you cancel the magic of his left hand while he keeps attacking with his right one.

So based on what we know and how magic works, it's not that useful.

Sigmar-Unberogen said:
In combat YES! In defense, you CAN'T know! Show not showing those other kings/lords owning stones doesn't mean they don't own them. It's not like we saw them getting attacked by demons in the castle/towns. Though yes, neither can I prove that they do keep stones for defense. We just haven't seen an example of either. They may be using them for specific small rooms, who knows?

Even if they end up getting killed by a magic user anyways? Sure, if you have plenty of money to throw around, why not? But then for the 1000s time, you need to remember that you can't change shape of stones with tools and magic. You have to get ones that are small enough to carry.

Good luck with that against the likes of Aura who's surrounded by 1000s of soldiers. I understand your point, but as I've said many times, it's simply not practical to use stones in combat, especially against tough opponents who CAN run away. Considering they're rare and expensive, it's just something only a few people would use. I believe people would simply invest money in something else.

Yes, but you can do that without paying millions of dollars for a 1-3 meter radius nullification stone. It can still work, sure, but I don't see how it's worth it. I mean, if we were to make simulation fights of let's say Eisen (with a 3meter radius stone) vs Aura (without scales). How many battles out of 100 do you think Eisen would win? I'd say like 1 out of 100. It just wouldn't make a significant difference unless you vastly underestimate Aura just because Frieren easily killed her due to trickery with mana.

Zinave said:

nah, I disagree. What if Stark were to use it or any other warrior? It could be severely op for an assassin, too. They would just have to put it on their weapon, or keep it on person.

similiar to how we fit stones onto rings in our lives. (Yes I know we can't cut them) but that's irrelevant to my point either way

Viz108 said:

The football sized stone Frieren has in the episode has a range of only 3 meters - and a stone that large is described as incredibly rare. A ring sized stone would have a minuscule range, and I imagine trying to close that kind of distance with an experienced mage would practically be a death wish.

Danpmss said:
There are so many things I want to talk about in this topic that I cannot, because they are all related to the latest arc in the manga lol

But in short, since a lot of people are missing out on the nuances within their dynamics as a group:

1- Fern is extremely worried of being vulnerable without her magic, and she could care less about money, especially when she travels around with Frieren without much her entire life. Thus, her immediate reaction to a stone that will cancel their powers is to throw it away and be very far from it. In this very first episode she is utterly terrified of not being able to sense hers or any magic flow, they would never be able to travel with that stone when Fern has such an aversion to it. There's also the fact that with that in mind, one can bet she wouldn't like not being able to walk closer to Stark out of survival needs just to get money out of those risks (without any guarantee it would even work out with just Stark).

2- Frieren would never force them to carry it in their travels for the life of her. She more than anyone knows just how risky it is and also could care far less for money that is any more than the bare minimum (more so than Fern herself), and this is something of a plot point later in this season, too. Frieren may trust Stark to have her back and is not prideful not to run away from danger, but she is by far the strongest person in their group in terms of capabilities. They only didn't get seriously hurt in their fall because they could keep a tad bit of floating momentum and had Stark act as a cushion (then again, it was clearly made with lighthearted comedy in mind, despite being very to-the-point with good old Murphy's Law).

3- Stark would likely argue against carrying around the stone if he had any saying on it (as part of his little character arc in the two chapters adapted, as he doesn't feel comfortable enough to double down on the decision, much less to argue against them, so he does not) not that he ever shown interest in making a lot of money either, the three of them do not care much for making bank, despite their troubles with travel expenses here and there. Even because they all follow Himmel's "school of thought", so they never leave without helping people requesting for help, even when the compensation is very little (it's usually already something that can keep them traveling), and this was a big thing in season 1 that continues to be a thing even very late in the manga. Even more so when Fern opens up to him about her phobia of not being able to rely on magic to protect herself or those around her, he would never take extra risks with their lives just to be rich, he already has trouble taking care of his own with his fearful nature heh

4- Back to topic 2, imagine if Stark wasn't there to break their fall, in a worse sudden occasion other than landslides trapping them inside a cave (which are a very common thing even IRL, especially out in the wild). This was one subtle way to exemplify everything else that could go even worse in a split second during their travels. We are not even talking about ambushes, which DO happen to travelers all the time in Frieren. Were to be a skilled demon assassin using magic from afar to kill them, they would also be able to sense the stone's effects much like Frieren did (reason why she started searching for it), and very likely take advantages of 3m radius blindspots that stone may provide around Stark. If they take down Stark first and get the stone, they are all as good as dead, since demons can easily kill them physically other than just magically. We already saw demon ambushes in Season 1, and they don't really stop there. Demonic pride in Frieren only goes to battles that challenge their honor in some way, ambushers kill without thinking much about it).

5- Even if we were to ignore EVERY SINGLE ONE of the previous topics and they were to travel with that crystal somewhere, Frieren lived for hundreds of years, and it is very unlikely, from her own explanation about the stones in the episode, that most people in the present day would know their value and immediately give them money for it in some next big town they would stop by. And even if they did, they would have no way to work with it, as the damn stones are basically Magic-Null adamantium.

6- Especially in a modern society that is well-established to have flourished in its use of magic by an entire population, why would any of them want to be put at a disadvantage in said world just to be able to cause anyone around 3 meters of their stone to lose their magic? Yeah, you guessed right, the only ones that would truly have an interest in it would be people that would take advantage of it for potential evil means. And would be someone that has the money to buy a mansion to buy it in the first place (or a dumb grimoire in Frieren's case). Given Frieren's previous stories up to this point, it's rather obvious she would think twice (and probably did in the spot) not to ever let it fall in such hands, so the stone really is not worth the risk regardless of its potential selling value over the course of few possible places (out of several) they may go to as they approach the most dangerous territories of all in the North, where Demons reigned), and this is another thing that will become EVEN MORE RELEVANT later in the manga.

TL;DR, leaving the stone there and never looking back is one of the smarter decisions they have made so far (and Frieren does know very well why, as the story already shown).

And I'm not even entering into spoilers with the later arcs in the manga, which only hammers down this argument much, MUCH further.

acefain said:
you're forgetting that we've been told that demons hyperfocus on one type of magic. The executioner with magic thread, the other with blood based magic Aura with puppet magic.

acefain said:
Additionally, Frieren said it cancels magic in it's radius, so unless you're manipulating a physical medium like "toss boulder" you can't snipe through the crystal radius.

acefain said:
I personally would expect small crystals to show up in places like high ranking knights shields as a countermeasure for mages, but with how rare they are at and decent size that would be about the extent I would think to ever see them used.