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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- So according to Norman's info, the Evil Blood Maiden can survive and perserve without eating humans. Very special. Tbh, I kinda agree with Norman's side to this. Even if they're somehow able to get Musica's blood to demons, it doesn't mean they'll just stop eating humans. Some will have their hunger and desire to continue. It just means they don't have to. Also, the Royal Family monopolizing power doesn't surprise me. Emma needs to look at the bigger picture here. |
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| blood maiden is key, and the promise and the thing who can't be named that grant emma his fragment will be the gate. idealist vs realist. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| Norman is absolutely right. Emma needs to get a reality check. I do feel bad for Musica tho. |
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| Messiah´s blood vs. Big pharma |
MichaelJacksonMar 15, 2019 5:41 AM
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| I understand both what Emma and Norman are saying but Emma is being a bit naive. I do wonder what ray thinks. I have a feeling he won’t support either side. |
| Emma, you need to snap out of it. Escaping againsts the demons and bringing all the humans??? that's a very naive thinking. this is a dumb thing to say but why do i feel like musica has a human blood flowing within her? what if she's a half; that might explain how everyone who drinks her blood turns into a demon who won't eat humans cause they have a human blood flowing within them;;; humans don't eat their own kind (except cannibals) |
| Emma is fucking moron and never really fond of her stupidty lately. I agree with Norman this is the only way to go about it. |
| I can see Emma's hopeful outcome as a possibility, but... Norman's plan is just much more through and with higher possibility of working than some wishful thinking as if every single human would suddenly go vegan because some rebellious bacon told them to stop eating them, whether they would finally be cured of a situation such as absolute dependency of meat to survive or whatnot. But at the same time, I can't help but see some other figures in this picture (maybe it's just me thinking about social problems involving politics that would definitely make me side with Emma in the matter of "these two populations have unacceptable policies in the eyes of one another, therefore they should get rid to extinction of the other population since you can never be so sure even a baby wouldn't turn out bad and seek for the opposite sides' blood", especially if considering that both races have high intelligence because of either being humans themselves or monsters who ate human meat and acquired their attributes (therefore being technically humans vs humans). It's similar to Goblin Slayer's decision to exterminate all of the goblins since their only means for reproduction and survival are female humans (thus only bringing tragedy to any human population they come across), except these monsters can develop a whole society and have the same emotions as if they were just like us instead of being naturally vile creatures (Goblins in there only have egoism, perversion, survival instinct, hate and desire for revenge if things don't go their way, not even emotionally caring about their own kind in the slightest). Of course there will be those who think themselves as being at the top of the food chain and kill humans even without needing to any longer, but much like many humans can make choices to respect a fellow intelligent life form and emotionally relating themselves to them -for example, our pets, and in that situation they are faaaaar less intelligent, just saying- so to not hunt them down just because they are capable of eating them (or doing or not so out of necessity in many circumstances or restrictively for cultural and religious reasons), the monsters outside the royalty gameboard controlling everything are not at all to be represented by their corporative elitist monopoly of their world's population survival as a whole, as demonstrated by this chapter. In short, the only thing we saw thus far from the monster population outside the royalty domain were people just like you and me that probably are just doing it to maintain their intelligent forms not to be doomed by that world's nature clauses and become a wild beast. And adding to that, if anything, the royal families probably killed all of the cured monster because their savior likely told them it was now unnecessary to continue feeding of human flesh, and therefore their monopoly and power system got some punches after that fact. That would mean that the population outside the royal bastards is likely to cooperate by a large margin (it will never be everyone, there's no utopic solution to anything in reality, much like in our own) with Emma and the Maiden alike if the cure were to be a possibility for them to look forward to. I guess I'll just wait and see what Ray is going to say in the next chapter before going any further on that. This manga is yet again going full steam ahead in terms of subtle philosophical debate, and I love it. 5/5 |
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| i hope Emma dies really really in a bad way |
| I'm going to have to side with Norman for the most part on this one. It's kind of like how humans don't need to eat cows and pigs, but they like beef and pork so they eat them anyway. I don't think the demons will change their eating habits. I don't want Musica to die though. I like Emma, but it's hard to side with her when she gets all hysterical like in this chapter. I know this is important to her, but screaming usually isn't a good idea for convincing someone to agree with you. |
| the tension is always there goddamnit.. i want to read on and ON AND ON Norman is totally right, cant wait to see the next chapter now.. |
| Emma pisses me the fuck off. She is such a child and needs to grow up man. She's making me hate this. She'll cause one of them to die because of her stupid attitude. |
| What's with a simple approach on Emma's point of view. Imagine if superior race of aliens visits earth and they're SICKENED with us breeding and killing millions of animals in farms. If aliens have someone like Norman, they'll exterminate humans and leave only herbivores alone. If aliens have someone like Emma, they'll ask us to be vegans, or just LEAVE us be, minding their own business. Genocide right now is the simplest, easiest solution. It's indeed sickening how people here rather go with easiest solutions, which are the bloodiest. Try imagining yourselves in the enemies shoes too, sometimes. |
Stark700 said: THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- So according to Norman's info, the Evil Blood Maiden can survive and perserve without eating humans. Very special. Tbh, I kinda agree with Norman's side to this. Even if they're somehow able to get Musica's blood to demons, it doesn't mean they'll just stop eating humans. Some will have their hunger and desire to continue. It just means they don't have to. Also, the Royal Family monopolizing power doesn't surprise me. Emma needs to look at the bigger picture here. You're right, I really think is the only way but it just doesn't feel good... maybe it's because I want to Emma to be right, she always find the way to do the best,still there is the new promised. |
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| Technically Its kill or be kill either Humans get exterminate or Demons. I side with Humans In this case as Most of Demons are evil and those who kill for mere pleasure and habit deserve to be kill. As what Norman say is mostly correct and nothing what he is say is wrong and he is being realistic. If Emma think coexist between Humans and Demons is gonna happen He needs reality check. Do you think Demons would stop eating humans just because they are others means to survive? Do you think all Demons would share same ideal of surviving without killing some demons yes but not all demons would do that? Naivety will be death those who lives in Hell of a world. This series is hell of a world. I wonder what Ray would side with?If anyone have realistic way for coexistent between demon and Human I am open for it and I gladly agree with it. Emma naivety and being too nice will lead them all to foolish death. I hope Ray have plan that could either lead them all to safety or coexist between Demons and Humans In Realistic manner unlike Emma foolish plan I bet there will be different opinions eventually Those who want All Demon exterminate group and Those who want Demon and Human coxist if possible group. |
DemonDarknightMar 19, 2019 6:26 PM
| Emma is being a bit naive but I can see her point. Sadly, it doesn't look like there is another choice, unless they think of a plan where Musika ends up being the Queen of demons and manages to bring order to the other demons. That seems the most suitable way for me. On a side there is a genocide, and in the other there is a neverland. I agree with some users here, I'd like to see Ray's PoV on this. Dajoeman said: Emma pisses me the fuck off. She is such a child and needs to grow up man. She's making me hate this. She'll cause one of them to die because of her stupid attitude. Yeah sure, because going straight to kill all the demons surely won't kill the kids... |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Sorry but I'm siding with Emma on this one. Genocide is never excusable and, knowing of the properties of Musica's blood, a plan that does not involve killing every single demon IS possible. |
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raynaninja said: About eating meat, I think the moment human ancestors started leaving out of the forests and hunting animals on the ground was one of the factors we humans evolved differently from other apes.I'm going to have to side with Norman for the most part on this one. It's kind of like how humans don't need to eat cows and pigs, but they like beef and pork so they eat them anyway. I don't think the demons will change their eating habits. I don't want Musica to die though. I like Emma, but it's hard to side with her when she gets all hysterical like in this chapter. I know this is important to her, but screaming usually isn't a good idea for convincing someone to agree with you. |
I just realized that all of my favorite characters, beside being stunningly beautiful, also happen to be exceptionally skilled murder machines. \('-')/ I'm level  on mal-badges. View my badges. |
| y'all hating Emma just do not understand her character. From the very start, she's always like that. I remember When Norman and Emma for the first time discovered the existence of the demon, she did not care about her safety but her family while Norman was the opposite. Is it wrong for wanting both demon and human coexist? happy together? No. But that does not mean it is possible tho. Emma is a dreamer, like to do the impossible. Who knows what will she do next. Whatever happens, the answer lies in the "seven walls". Musica is the key, I would like to know her story. making the demons clash to each other that does not mean all the cattle-human are safe. When war happens all sides will have victims, that's 100% fact. |
| 4th times getting signature banned wtf |
| Young Norman pushed himself to live up to Emma's ideals but "adult" Norman is much more practical and tells it like it is to Emma's face. Very interesting backstory this issue but I find it funny that Emma still has to be taught that most people act in self interest. Considering how Emma reached a slightly more reasonable solution with the escape, it'll be interesting to see how this gets resolved. Surprised at all the Emma hate because she's been like this from the beginning. She's a shonen protag through and through. Personally I think we don't know enough about Musica's clan. A single drop of blood that can solve all your problems. Seems too convenient if you ask me. |
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| Ah the good old battle between logic and emotions. Emma means well but you can definitely tell she's still a kid sometimes. She wants everyone to get their happily ever after but she's quite naïve to genuinely believe that to be a realistic possibility under the circumstances |
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| To be perfectly frank, I think both Emma and Norman’s ideas are incredibly flawed. I see a lot of people ragging on Emma’s ideals, but let’s just take Norman’s into consideration for a second here. His proposal is to create a demonic civil war, but his plan is to create an alliance with a group that had fallen from grace...yet, here’s the problem I see with that strategy...wouldn’t Norman need the forces from a group far larger than the Giran clan to pull off a successful overthrow of the demon’s government? There’s also something else nagging at me. What is so special about Musica’s blood and the blood of the five houses that demons would be able to maintain their humanoid forms? Norman theorized that demons must eat humans to maintain their human form and intelligence, but what makes these groups of demons so special that they don’t need to eat humans to maintain their form? Norman didn’t really have an answer for that...or rather, I think he knows the answer and he’s not telling Emma and Ray because they would persuade him to change his mind on his methods. At the same time, I think Emma is being absurdly unrealistic with her proposal. As Norman and Ray mentioned, just because they give demons Musica’s blood doesn’t mean they won’t crave human meat and considering the demons being physically more dominant than humans, they are still going to sit at the top of the food chain and hunt humans. I understand Emma is a pacifist and wants to find a non-violent solution to this problem, but at the same time, her proposals aren’t going to solve the bigger problems. |
| I think these two words perfectly encapsulate my feelings of the previous three chapters: fuck Emma. |
| I feel like there's more to the history of demons than we know right now- beyond what Musica is and how she has such special blood. That's why Norman's plan and Emma's naive ideas both feel a bit strange to me. I've had such a strange feeling basically since Norman was confirmed to be alive, like something isn't quite right about the whole situation. I hope Ray can shed some light on my feelings, he already did a good job of convincing Emma to talk to Norman and he didn't even say what he was thinking then so maybe soon he will. I think something in Norman changed and it might not be for the worse or better but he needs to take a step back *and* Emma needs to take a step back and really think about what's happening. |
ibm30rpg said: You guys seem to be forgetting that a major reason the group was able to make it this far with such a big family is because of Emma's compassion and naivette for the lives around her. Remember that Ray and Norman were hesitant about bringing everyone 6 and older from the farm, but in the end, they were able to work it out. Sometimes it doesn't just come down to logic but also simple perspective on how your actions are affecting the world. It is very possible that there are demons like Musica, let alone children that you have seen in previous chapters. Sure, Emma's way of thinking may be naive, but be aware that if Norman follows through with the extermination, that is basically genocide right there, which in my opinion, doesn't make the rebellion any better than the demons. At that point, it's a major blow to character attachment. You do have a point. But trying for Demon and Humans too coexist is too hard and not possible. Demons won t turn tail and change their habits and way of life just because someone find a way for Demons to survive without killing? Its either Humans extermination On Demons race entirely or Humans try to save as many Good demons if possible(If they willing to listen and no longer kill humans) and kill all Demons who still kill for pleasure and habits means bad demons. No matter how you look at it only this two option exist for humanity survival. I hope option 2 can happen but If all options are lost then Humans should just eradicate Demons entirely. Technically If all options are lost Its kill or be kill. |
DemonDarknightMar 19, 2019 6:38 PM
| Emma should just go back and feed herself to demons if she doesn't want to wage a war against demons and to destroy them. Its like a food chain bruh. Even after all they went through, losing so many comrades she still thinks about not killing demons? Not hating her but from a practical point of view which Norman has its very true that they can't co exist even with the help od Musica's blood. But can't blame every shounen main character ought to be like that *believe it* |
   I want you to be happy. I want you to laugh a lot. I don’t know what exactly I’ll be able to do for you, but I’ll always be by your side. |
| Juicy infos and I'm honestly quite intrigued by the development. I can feel Emma and Norman is probably also not fond of the idea, but they gotta do what they gotta do. I still think Emma will convince them to go for an alternative route. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
JoestarSupremacy said: Why y'all hating on Emma for being too pure leave my babygirl alone èé finally some post i can agree with |
| Emma's killing off the demons anyway if she escapes with all the humans. Heh. Norman won't listen to that escape to the human world idea. And to entertain Emma's idea he's all insistent they could use Musica's blood like a vaccine? Maybe the Lambda kids' plan to kill all demons would make more sense to Emma if they told her they had seen lots of kids killed in that lab. This is certainly suspenseful. |
| In the very first arc, Ray wanted to escape only with Emma and Norman. But Emma wanted to save all, so Norman helped her. Now the tables have turned. Norman wants only the humans to live. But Emma wants to save all. And now it's Ray's turn to help Emma. okwhynot said: JoestarSupremacy said: Why y'all hating on Emma for being too pure leave my babygirl alone èé finally some post i can agree with Yeah, avoiding genocide when you have another solution isn't so bad. |
euls said: Due to Musica they wouldn't need to eat humans to maintain their intelligence but they might still eat humans for the sake of itEmma, you need to snap out of it. Escaping againsts the demons and bringing all the humans??? that's a very naive thinking. this is a dumb thing to say but why do i feel like musica has a human blood flowing within her? what if she's a half; that might explain how everyone who drinks her blood turns into a demon who won't eat humans cause they have a human blood flowing within them;;; humans don't eat their own kind (except cannibals) |
| Humans only live for a hundred years, it is as unreal as a dream that ends in an instant. What is the point of a person living in this world? No more than just being on a journey, and witnessing interesting things. Although I do not want to die, I do not fear death. I am already on my right path, I have no regrets even if I die. — Fang Yuan (Reverend Insanity) |
| Musica's blood might as well become the savior of the commoner demons and the solution Emma's been looking for all this time but her reckless strategy might result in some bloodshed because of a lot of outside factors like demons who'll refuse to believe that they won't degenerate anymore and those who still want to taste the feeling even without the necessity of eating humans anymore. As much as I support it, it's a really risky venture and Norman showing the reality of the situation hurt me as much as it did her. |
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Sigmar-Unberogen said: What's with a simple approach on Emma's point of view. Imagine if superior race of aliens visits earth and they're SICKENED with us breeding and killing millions of animals in farms. If aliens have someone like Norman, they'll exterminate humans and leave only herbivores alone. If aliens have someone like Emma, they'll ask us to be vegans, or just LEAVE us be, minding their own business. Genocide right now is the simplest, easiest solution. It's indeed sickening how people here rather go with easiest solutions, which are the bloodiest. Try imagining yourselves in the enemies shoes too, sometimes. Your analogy doesn't make any sense ngl Emma is being so stupid right now, she should just accept reality and get out of her fairytale-ish way of thinking. |
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