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What did you think of this episode?
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4Liked it!
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3It was OK
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1Hated it
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Oct 19, 2013 9:06 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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This movie was alright, I suppose. I haven't seen any Pokemon movies since years ago. Seeing Mewtwo mega evolve so many times was cool but not nearly enough story in this movie.
Oct 21, 2013 9:40 PM
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Damn Mewtwo's voice sucks :/ It's way to feminine whenever it spoke before it was Masculine, it sounds how I would picture Mew's voice >.>

I wonder why Pidgeot wasn't flying with Mewtwo it had every other generation of flying pokemon :(

Sabeleye :D

Mewtwo's flashbacks are so nostalgic.

Genesect knows blazekick?

Mewtwo is using telepathy so its technically not wasting its breath :p

Sabeleye ftw! :D

A good ending and that end song was awesome. Overall this was a decent Pokemon movie, I watched the dub btw.
Oct 22, 2013 1:04 AM
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The movie was ok I guess? It's mostly about the clashing and fighting~

Still, Sableye best char so far in the movie(Reminds me of Stitch) =w=
Oct 22, 2013 7:39 PM
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Why does the English movie seen so different from the trailer? :/
Oct 23, 2013 7:16 PM
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dont like how they changed mewtwo
Oct 25, 2013 6:03 PM
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Seriously? It's like the first Pokemon never happened!
"Maybe we'll meet again"
YOU'VE ALREADY MET! There's only one Mewtwo, so it has to be the same one from the original movie. UGH.

Of course then you have the awesome Sabeleye. Sabeleye and the friendly Genesect made the movie bareable for me.

I was sad that the Scraggy from the last movie (Kyurem & the Swords of Justice) wasn't there because he was what made me enjoy the last movie, but Sabeleye kinda made up for it.
Oct 27, 2013 3:21 AM
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This movie was terribly moderate. It had a promising start with those telepathic conversation between Genesect and Mewtwo and the flashback scenes.

But that's about it, when it got to the main plot, it was downhill from there.

Team Rocket purpose was further removed into some unnecessary cameo.

I expected to see more Charizard but guess not, Mewtwo was a nice welcome back but I find it odd, how this Mewtwo fits in the PokeMovie verse.

Is this another Mewtwo(I thought there was only one) or are they rebooting the whole Mewtwo origin for the sake of promotion for X and Y.

Sableye gave me that Stitch vibe with it's voice and made it fun to watch.

I watched the English Dub and hoped maybe the American Voice for it might be still same but I guess not, felt that Mewtwo should have the Red Genesect's voice or it's original voice which made it sound cooler.

Overall, fairly average,too average in fact. 5/10
Oct 28, 2013 10:45 AM
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dreadknightnero said:
This movie was terribly moderate. It had a promising start with those telepathic conversation between Genesect and Mewtwo and the flashback scenes.

But that's about it, when it got to the main plot, it was downhill from there.

Team Rocket purpose was further removed into some unnecessary cameo.

I expected to see more Charizard but guess not, Mewtwo was a nice welcome back but I find it odd, how this Mewtwo fits in the PokeMovie verse.

Is this another Mewtwo(I thought there was only one) or are they rebooting the whole Mewtwo origin for the sake of promotion for X and Y.

Sableye gave me that Stitch vibe with it's voice and made it fun to watch.

I watched the English Dub and hoped maybe the American Voice for it might be still same but I guess not, felt that Mewtwo should have the Red Genesect's voice or it's original voice which made it sound cooler.

Overall, fairly average,too average in fact. 5/10


couldn't agree more...

This movie destroyed one my childhood memories... so sad :(
Nov 11, 2013 9:50 PM
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I think the biggest problem I had with this film, and there were many, was not the fact that Mewtwo had a lady's voice, or that it revealed its mega form at the beginning of the film, that it nor the Genesect had appropriate backstory, that Eric was a character left on the backburner, that Mewtwo hates people, yet defends them during the city fight. No. It was none of those at all. It was...

The city.

Now dont get me wrong, I think the pokemon universe, and movies have some of the greatest animated cities I have ever seen. Places like the Venetian City from Pokemon Heroes, or the Spanish city from Rise of Darkrai really made me feel like I was there, and a part of the action. Painstakingly animated frames really brought both lively and desolate parts of the cities to life. Now I know that each and every city created is based upon a real life location, but why, TPCi, why New York??? Referred to as just "the city" in the movie, it served no purpose besides tall buildings and Central Park. Whereas the catacombs and other parts were central in many scenes in Pokemon Heroes, the forest played an integral part in Pokemon 4Ever, and Larousse City in Destiny Deoxys showcased the technology, "the city" was used only for a short battle between Mewtwo and the lead Genesect, and "central park", the location for Pokemon Hills was an enclosed location for most of the film. They never really showcased what made this city unlike all the rest. In an interview, one of the lead writers/animators said they chose New York as inspiration because it was to showcase technology or advancement as related to the ancientness of the genesect something like that. What they failed to take into account, however was the fact that UNOVA ALREADY HAS A NEW YORK CITY< ITS CALLED CASTELIA CITY!!!!! recreating New York City completely defeats the already active purpose of even creating Castelia in the first place. Pure oversight in the final movie of a generation better left forgotten.
Dec 2, 2013 1:50 AM
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Fairly average, not one of the better movies. I agree that Mewtwo should have had a male voice. It's sad the original English voice actor died. Even so they could find someone like him. It was also annoying that MewTwo didn't remember Ash, but Pokemon as always had inconsistencies so I am not that upset.
Dec 7, 2013 3:07 PM

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Thought it lacked content most of the time. Was sometimes entertaining but really uneventful. Most of the time, it was the Genesects group acting hostile against Ash and Co.

All I got out of this movie was:
- We are friends forever
- Our home is here
- Not all humans hate pokemon

I have to admit, the main Genesect was so adorable and made me tear up twice. So, this movie wasn't completely crap.
Jan 10, 2014 2:44 AM

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Damn, they reset the relationship between Mewtwo and Satoshi... What the hell with that ?

This was so freakin' Bad oO.
Jan 10, 2014 2:48 AM

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The movie is bad. I don't like it. It is getting uglier and uglier but I have no idea why I keep on watching Pokemon films.

Was that another mewtwo? He seems not to remember Ash. I also hate the feminine voice. My image of Mewtwo is tough cool guy type and suddenly shattered due to the VA.
Feb 11, 2014 12:33 PM
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I liked that Mewtwo have returned to protagonism in a film.
Apr 6, 2014 9:39 PM

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Probably the worst Pokemon film yet, I always like them purely for nostalgia sake, but this was awful.

Mewtwo is a different Mewtwo then the first film, for those who don't know. They had a special showing that this Mewtwo was created through someone else, not Team Rocket.
Apr 13, 2014 8:41 PM

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Noone saw that this pokemon is one of the few films, with the first one, to talk about serious shit ?

I mean, look at the genesects.
the genesects are the "strangers", and they are different from the "others".
this film turns around the racism theme, with genesect that only wants to find a place to live, and other pokémons that want to chase out these intruders, with ash who try to stop that.
as the story progress, we can see that the genesects are like the other pokémons, they are just different in appearance.
If you look the film from this point of view, and not the point of view "olol mewtwo is different, so the film is bad", it's actually a really good film.

but yeah, this mewtwo is disappoiting and was one of the failed character in this movie.

sableye and team rocket are useless on this film.
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Dec 16, 2014 1:00 PM

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I liked the story of the Genesects.

I didn't like how Mewtwo no longer new Ash and that and was voiced by a woman. And as some people say a different one, wut? why? I thought there was only one badass Mewtwo.

It had a nice message about friendship that I liked though.
Aug 15, 2015 2:41 PM

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Eeeh..... I won't bother rating this.
Dec 5, 2015 1:53 PM

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Uh... that was indeed another Mewtwo.. kinda disappointing, since I thought it would be the good old Mewtwo from the first movie.

The movie was ok... really, nothing really special.
That Feraligator was a good character, tho
Sep 3, 2016 10:37 AM

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Definitely not Pokémon's finest theatrical outing, that's for sure.
May 28, 2020 1:38 PM

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giving this Mewtwo that voice is indeed a choice...

only thing i do like that this area was 98% NYC with that upsized Central Park and they kinda pull a Dragonball Battle of Gods lol

also i never watched Black & White but, where was Scraggy??

very weak movie next to Pokemon Ranger one
Feb 19, 2021 5:49 PM

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Wow. This one is BAD. I thought it couldn't get any worse from the DP movies, but this is hands down the Worst Pokemon movie. There's no way it can get any worse. I know I have ~3 more movies in this timeline, but I'm 99% sure they'll be better than this hot garbage.

This is basically BW's version of movie 1 except everything is worse.

Movie 1 is canon. Period. The special with Mewtwo seems to be canon too. Either way, this movie can't be canon and outright tried to overwrite established facts just to give Mega Mewtwo a handjob. Why? Why couldn't it BE the actual Mewtwo with his male voice? WHY couldn't Satoshi have any sort of knowledge of past movies if you're gonna bring back a character there can only exist one of, with established backstory in practically every media?

What fool thought this was a good idea? What fool said okay and greenlit it?

The only thing I liked was the rando Eevee's voice; never heard a male one before and it sounded cute. Yamirami was good too until it got screwed over in the beginning, lol.

Beyond that, everything sucked. And everything sucked because none of the decisions felt natural. It requires every single character to not have brain cells rubbing together to make complex thought. What idiot goes "lets put plasma machine guns on top of these revived pokemon so they can kill us easier"? Holy frick.
Dec 18, 2021 10:02 PM

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When genesect was making the beehive nest , i was thinking like a theory that Burge the Gym leader used/remodels his Gym with the Beehive nest that Genesect made. (BlackWhite2)
Dec 18, 2021 10:34 PM

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I liked the story of the Genesects.

I didn't like how Mewtwo no longer new Ash and that and was voiced by a woman. And as some people say a different one, wut? why? I thought there was only one badass Mewtwo.

It had a nice message about friendship that I liked though.


There's multiple mewtwo since it's artificial.
Ash knew mewtwo but mewtwo did not. And it sounded female.

Spoiler (male mewtwo makes a comeback in the future and knows ash in Journeys )

since mewtwo is artificial it can be mass produced. But i think mewtwo killed the lab guys when it broke out. The broken glasses on the floor was probably a reference to them being dead. Also it probably takes years to make a mewtwo so (probably can't be made in 1 day)

[ Movie Pikachu Detective another mass produced Mewtwo , i count that as a cannon to being replicated ]

The bluprints are probably archived somewhere who knows. BUT this is a totally different mewtwo that can Mega Evolve without stone. IDK how , maybe they implemented a mega stone inside the bodym
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Uh... that was indeed another Mewtwo.. kinda disappointing, since I thought it would be the good old Mewtwo from the first movie.

That Feraligator was a good character, tho


Pokemon Journeys =] Return of OG mewtwo

and Sableye was another good character.
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defo not a fan of the new mewtwo voice, but that aside the movie was just okay. Not one of their best outings.
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Show Rate Meter Guide  - (5 Great _ 4 Good _ 3 Fine _ 2 Not Good _ 1 Bad).(dismal are sometimes needed)
[Story] - 3  
[Art/Animation] - 4
[Sound/Music] - 3
[M-Character] - 3
[S-Character] - 2.5
[Enjoyment] - 2.5 
[Overall] - 3
Well I have to say now all Gen 5 movies suck. This is my seconded time watching this film the first time was in DUB and I fell asleep partly throughout the seconded time was in SUB and it a bit better. Genesect story was fine and seeing Mewtwo again was ok... it feel like this is a another Mewtwo. The animation a lot better then the last film, seeing the pokemon live peaceful lives in the middle of a big city was nice to see. Mostly the city they put in effort this time around the city did not look lifeless. Ash was fine in this film but Iris and Dent did nothing at all just like the last two films. Nurse Joy and Eric the care taker are the only side characters just like the last film hardly adding anyone else to help make the film more lively it a big city show it off. team rocket did nothing why even try having them in a another film at all. I felt bored at times trying to much it, the downhill quality of the Pokémon movie continues.        
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I actually didn't think this movie was THAT bad.
I'd rather see it as a standalone movie than compare it to the first movie and Mewtwo's story. (This is apparently another Mewtwo anyway)

Animation and art looked great and the Genesect story was interesting enough.
This movie wasn't anything special but not bad either, just good enough.

7/10

I get why people dislike it as much though, especially when comparing the two movies.
Maybe I also put my expectations way too low looking at the score and just coming from Movie 15 which for me was the worst Pokemon movie.
Aug 12, 2024 10:34 PM

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While it only happened twice I really like the gag with the Chansey.
Nov 10, 2024 4:14 PM
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This movie is very oddly philosophical with the creation and genetic engineering of long dead Pokémon.

I do think this is easily the best Pokémon movie, but I think the change of voice actor for Mewtwo is... different but not bad. I like it over all!
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weak film!!!
Well, Genesect a fossil pokémon and wake up in a strange world!!!
Caos but thanks to the kids and Mewtwo they had a great final!!!
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