SOEMasterAgent said: I heard that the show comes off as a bit too confusing for some If I remember correctly it isn't that confusing overall, just towards the end, but it doesn't really matter, because it isn't really supposed to be understood, but it's supposed to be experienced, and it's pretty good at creating a bleak & moody atmosphere (except for an odd outlier episode) |
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SOEMasterAgent said:
I heard that the show comes off as a bit too confusing for some
I heard that the show comes off as a bit too confusing for some
If I remember correctly it isn't that confusing overall, just towards the end, but it doesn't really matter, because it isn't really supposed to be understood, but it's supposed to be experienced, and it's pretty good at creating a bleak & moody atmosphere (except for an odd outlier episode)
| @Zarutaku It is really not hard to understand if you pay attention actually, this is not Lain so " it isn't really supposed to be understood," does bnot apply in this case. |
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id say no. the first 3 episodes set up a really cool premiae but I really hated pretty much anything after that. for me it dropped from a 8 to like a 4. they kinda do nothing for 2/3 of the season, then it wastes a few episodes on a dream. then the ending it kinda just introduces new stuff out of no where and resolves everything in like five minutes. very much did not enjoy. if you want dark sci fi go for something like Psychopass, that still gets talked about today for how good it is and is in my personal top 5
| @SeanSmith44 I can see why you have Demon Slayer in your favorites. This anime is not meant for zoomers who love action oriented edgy stuff like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and don't want to think a lot about the story, so you are really not the target audience. |
| I enjoyed it though it did feel hard to follow sometimes. |
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@Zarutaku
It is really not hard to understand if you pay attention actually, this is not Lain so " it isn't really supposed to be understood," does bnot apply in this case.
It is really not hard to understand if you pay attention actually, this is not Lain so " it isn't really supposed to be understood," does bnot apply in this case.
| @JoeChip I meant the show seemingly prioritizes to create a mysterious flair than to avoid confusion with exposition dumps. |
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JoeChip said:
@SeanSmith44
I can see why you have Demon Slayer in your favorites. This anime is not meant for zoomers who love action oriented edgy stuff like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and don't want to think a lot about the story, so you are really not the target audience.
@SeanSmith44
I can see why you have Demon Slayer in your favorites. This anime is not meant for zoomers who love action oriented edgy stuff like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and don't want to think a lot about the story, so you are really not the target audience.
No need to be so pretentious about this lol It definitely can be difficult to follow for some. I loved it and definitely recommend it but it’s not for everyone.
| @0Hunter0 It was never meant to be for everyone, as I already said, and there is nothing pretentious about my post. "lol" |
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JoeChip said:
@0Hunter0
It was never meant to be for everyone, as I already said, and there is nothing pretentious about my post. "lol"
@0Hunter0
It was never meant to be for everyone, as I already said, and there is nothing pretentious about my post. "lol"
“zoomers” lol Whatever you say
| @0Hunter0 Yep, saying the truth is definitely pretentious. |
| You're both wrong. Both Ergo Proxy and Cyberpunk Edgerunners are top 10% anime. Now go find a room. On-topic: great anime, great mood, some interecting characters and themes. If you enjoy sci-fi that has some substance, if you loved PkD's Do Adroids Dream, or if you just want to chill with some good music and cool character designs, go for it. It's only 24 eps long or something anyway. It does get pretty weird at times. There's that one surreal episode that comes out of nowhere and is the biggest infodump ever, for example... P.S. : mandatory Lain meme |
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beatmymachine said: why are you asking us? it’d clearly upto you, ofcourse us fans would say yes Cause everybody today is so influenced out of their minds that they actually start talking and behaving like a Youtube Star. It's like we're his audience, right now, and he's asking "Chat" what he should do next 😂😅 |
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| it's not really confusing if you're focused on watching it. if you just like skimming through shit, then yeah you'll probably be confused. it's a slow paced psychological show. it's up to you. I enjoyed it despite their being a couple of weird episodes |
 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘦 𝘮𝘺 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴, 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘯’𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦. |
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| Only one way to find out. I watched it back when it was new and it was kinda alright. A bit forgettable, but not bad. This is also pretty much everything I remember about Ergo Proxy. That, and that I never want to see it ever again because the ending was awful. Though, I don't even remember what the ending was anymore. I remember that I watched a fairly similar bleak looking anime back then that I liked even less called Witch Hunter Robin (2002). So if you end up watching and liking Ergo Proxy you can give that one a try, too. Or, you could rewatch Serial Experiments Lain. That's also always an option. |
| While it has bad pacing and isn't that great overall at the end, it had some good and memorable scenes making it worth seeing. Good music and character designs. |
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| Totally. It's very avant-garde and narratively unconventional, but not to an extent that'd be alienating to most viewers. It's got an immersive setting, well-rounded characters and an extremely appealing aesthetic identity. |
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Totally. It's very avant-garde and narratively unconventional, but not to an extent that'd be alienating to most viewers. It's got an immersive setting, well-rounded characters and an extremely appealing aesthetic identity.
| @LoveLikeBlood Ergo Proxy is not avant-garde at all, you should learn the meaning of the word before using it, it does not mean confusing unlike what you think. This is like saying The Matrix is avant-garde, which is not either. |
| Yeah, why not? I watched it out of curiosity last year and it's certainly not afraid to experiment in some episodes. While it could be a bit hit-or-miss, on the whole, I liked it. |
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@SeanSmith44
I can see why you have Demon Slayer in your favorites. This anime is not meant for zoomers who love action oriented edgy stuff like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and don't want to think a lot about the story, so you are really not the target audience.
I can see why you have Demon Slayer in your favorites. This anime is not meant for zoomers who love action oriented edgy stuff like Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and don't want to think a lot about the story, so you are really not the target audience.
| @JoeChip nah, he's correct, it starts out interesting bulding suspense and atmosphere but it doesn't really take it anywhere and also actively harms itself with a couple horrid filler episodes which ruin the flow for no reason. |
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@LoveLikeBlood
Ergo Proxy is not avant-garde at all, you should learn the meaning of the word before using it, it does not mean confusing unlike what you think. This is like saying The Matrix is avant-garde, which is not either.
Ergo Proxy is not avant-garde at all, you should learn the meaning of the word before using it, it does not mean confusing unlike what you think. This is like saying The Matrix is avant-garde, which is not either.
| @JoeChip avant-garde /ˌavɒ̃ˈɡɑːd/ noun new and experimental ideas and methods in art, music, or literature. I'd say the word sums up Ergo Proxy's approach pretty well. And even if you disagree, there's really no need to be condescending. |
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| 10 eps in and it's interesting so far. Way, way better than Psycho-Pass which did absolutely nothing to develop the story, setting or characters in the first 12 eps. But apparently it devolves into nonsense ramblings later on so we'll have to see how it plays out |
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@JoeChip nah, he's correct, it starts out interesting bulding suspense and atmosphere but it doesn't really take it anywhere and also actively harms itself with a couple horrid filler episodes which ruin the flow for no reason.
| @Roevhaal Ergo Proxy does not have any filler episodes but whatever you say. I don't like the Disney episode either for the record but it's still not a filler. |
riqmoran said: Maybe he meant the Gameshow episode was filler. It's not. But it is an absolutely terrible way to deliver important information to the audience. It's a somewhat unconventional way to have such a large exposition dump in such a direct, flashy, and aggressive manner, especially at a seemingly random point a little past midway through the story, rather than even at the beginning or end. But the fact that it was unexpected for the audience and the characters didn't even attempt to acknowledge or discuss much of it or determine its relevance to them fit the dreamlike nature of large parts of the series. Many episodes, once they start their extended road trip journey, blindside the main characters to an equal degree with unexpected scenarios sprung on them - the bookstore and its owner, Smile Land theme park dome, the abandoned grocery store episode, the body and perspective switching loss of the self one, the drifting in nothingness Slice of Life one, etc. Usually it's not just for being absurd for absurdity's sake or shock value but to further explore what's plaguing the characters and their internal state/mindsets - characterization, basically. Or for the overarching themes of the show. The game show episode was the same thing except for worldbuilding and narrative/plot what those other more experimental or tonally jarring episodes were for themes and characterization. It also always struck me as the writer of the series saying "The lore of how the world came to be the way that it is and its plot relevance isn't what's actually important, even if some think it should be delivered in a more methodical organic way piecemeal. The situation and state of the world is messed up and here's how the characters are dealing with it and how that plays into the themes. Because what really matters in this series are the characters and the themes, not following a traditional linear story and plot structure." Hence they wanted to get all (or most) of the expository dialogue out of the way in one shot. Maybe they would have also chosen differently if the series was intended and approved to be much longer. As it stands I don't mind the game show episode in and of itself and can't be the only one who holds that position, but I also really appreciate its existence on top of that if it means it existing saved 10 other existing episodes being repurposed to be devoted to showing what it condensed to telling into one. |
WatchTillTandavaMay 9, 8:16 PM
| Looks like everyone knew what I meant either way. You had jarring tonal shifts with exposition dumps in a series that stagnated after like 5 episodes. |
| Summary of the thread: "Ergo Proxy is bad because it doesn't present itself like 99.99% anime do1!1! Being bold and original should be forbidden1!1!" Not liking Ergo Proxy is ok, but claiming it has "filler episodes" or "bad pacing" or does things in "the easiest, laziest" way because of the game show or disney episodes is crazy lmao. If it was easy and lazy, surely there'd be more than one show out of thousands doing it this way. I don't like all of those episodes, but I would NEVER trade them for generic anime episode #34126... Ergo Proxy ep 16 is peak anime. It's not "filler", you people just need to stop being so overfixated on plot-driven writing. Some of the most insipid, unimaginative, garbage stories out there are plot-driven. |
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