Alice to Zouroku Episode 12 Discussion

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Oct 26, 2017 11:27 PM

#101

grandy_UiD

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I absolutely loved this. Sana was so awesome!

Oct 29, 2017 11:07 AM

#102

Pyon2WarpKun

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Thank god the action part of the series was over quickly. Now got to see the good vibes and let the children enjoy their life. But when Sanae's her VA it reminds me of Yoshinoya's VA T-T. Good show, hands down, I love it [period]

Nov 13, 2017 8:48 AM

#103

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There is a lot of potential for the story to expand if it wasn't compressed into a 12 episode anime. If it were a 24 episode anime, we would've understood the in-depth story of the other characters. 6/10

Dec 12, 2017 4:21 PM

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Started out as this interesting sci fi slice of life show but got boring as it went along. It became a rip off of a Japanese version of Alice in wonderland, in other words it became a children's show in the end. I didn't get its message and also what about the boy with the silver hair from the beginning. The research facility was shut down quickly and the wonderland was stopped from expanding by a scolding from gramps!!, ayaya what a shit anime.

The relationship between Zoroku and Sana was not touching and bonding because of the bad plot surrounding it. As I am writing this I see giving it a 5 was too generous so I will give it a 4/10 because it failed the most important factor, enjoyment.

Who ever wrote this and directed it was smoking manure.

lihle808Dec 12, 2017 4:27 PM

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Mar 7, 2018 2:31 AM

#105

matias067

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Watched from [GJM] subs and finally finished it!
looks like everything went so well and the intense factor went away.
is that grown-up Sana on the end!?!?
5/5.
8/10.

matias067Mar 7, 2018 3:15 AM

Oct 16, 2018 8:56 AM

#106

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Can't believe how underrated this anime is... The plot, visuals and music (basically everything) are so on point.

"Please stop talking about math when I'm eating."

Jan 31, 2019 9:05 AM

#107

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https://lifekino.club/alice-to-zouroku-season-2.html

Season 2 coming this summer 2019

Mar 24, 2019 6:05 PM

#108

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AfonsoJL76 said:
https://lifekino.club/alice-to-zouroku-season-2.html

Season 2 coming this summer 2019

That is soo fake bro.
Dont see the anime entry here on MAL, no official announcement, fake as fuck!

Feb 19, 2020 12:05 PM

#109

nidoqueen106

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That was really good but this anime neeeeeds a 2nd season maybe even a 3rd
9/10 for me

Apr 1, 2021 11:40 AM

#110

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Ok finale.

Overall, a good first half and not so good second half. Somehow the plot became too messy and uninteresting.

R.I.P Zouroku. That ending scene was touching.

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Jul 24, 2021 7:36 AM

#111

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It was a good and short anime
I wish the anime was longer.
But i cannot say anything bad abaut it 9/10
Because they don't explain why the wondrland exists.

Jan 22, 2022 7:27 AM

#112

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Well, that was overall a interesting anime. Though animation was not very good. But still storywise a look of thing about it is very unique and mysterious. A worthwhile take on magic girl anime, though i felt it was a bit slow

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May 20, 2022 9:41 PM

#113

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It was an okay show, I think there were moments that felt too dragged imo and SOL at times were pretty boring. 5/10

Dec 21, 2023 11:02 PM

#114

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Zouroku died, as expected.

I can't live knowing this.

May 16, 2025 2:37 AM

#115

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this was adorable and sweet with some serious stuff mixed in.
i feel like it was a bit messy in a way but i enjoyed myself through the whole thing.

i wish we could see more of her current life as this seemed like her telling her story and at one point herself in the story met her future self.
or at least i think that was her. the end was a bit weird with her as the narrator calling her as the kid "alice" and all but that could have just been a metaphor with the wonderland

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Aug 24, 2025 7:29 PM

#116

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Absolutely amazing show. All of the girls are adorable, and I just wanted to hug Sana until she pops. It's a shame she had to cut off the twintails.

The biggest problem with the show is its length. It really needs at least another cour to properly flesh out transition between arcs. Without adequate time, it just switches over which often leaves the plot feeling disjointed. I very much liked each incarnation, so it didn't bother me much. But I can easily see how others would be quite frustrated. It's most apparent in the original arc, where the research facility just suddenly disbands and stops chasing her. It makes sense that they would stop though. They had no intention of actually harming Sana, they just believed that the Dreams of Alice were too dangerous to live in regular society. And the Hand Girl they enlisted was more interested in forcing Sana to bring her dead husband back to life than actually following the deal. All of the characters needed much more screentime, especially Zouroku and Sanae.

All of the Dreams' powers relate to traumas they faced, and can be thought of as granted wishes. Ichijou wanted to be a hero cop like her favorite magical girl anime protagonist, the twins wanted to bind and shoot their violent father, Hand Girl longed for her husband's loving embrace, and Hatori wanted people to do what she told them. I imagine the white-haired Shota probably wanted to escape into his artwork.

Sana is your classic homunculus character learning about the world. In a sense she is both Alice and the Wonderland in 'Through the Looking Glass.' She is the girl lost in wondrous dreams and the dreams themselves. Like modern AI generative models have trouble understanding the world, she takes in information, generates assumptions, and doesn't actually understand how everything fits together. A child with limitless power but no love.

Enter Zouroku: an old-school man experienced with giving troubled girls (like Sanae) the stern but compassionate fatherly guidance they need. He's an old man and limited by his age in doing some of the grander gestures we'd like to see, but his straightforward and earnest manner always tugs at the heartstrings. He doesn't just give in to Sana's tears when she's wrong, so she can grow up to be a strong and capable girl. Their relationship is quite touching to see, and I wanted so much more of it, especially in the final episodes.

Later on Sana always complains about being frazzled. This is because she's experiencing ambivalent, conflicting emotions. She's used to feeling one way about things and can't comprehend this confusion as she develops a richer understanding of her own heart. She identifies with Hatori so strongly that their powers cancel each other out. She can't understand why she feels a range of compassionate and sorrowful emotions for the girl who (in her mind) nearly killed her surrogate father. The more this conflict comes to the fore the worse these feelings clash, until Wonderland tries to assimilate more and more of the real world in an attempt to understand it. But it can't. And so disconnected from her heart, the wishes born from her dreams no longer give Sana power, even as those dreams protect and guide her and her companions (with the exception of Ichijou who falls endlessly for some reason, probably only really to let Sanae and her grandfather be alone in the story). Fittingly, Zouroku's stern words
convince Wonderland (and by extension Sana) to accept that there are things she simply cannot understand (at least not yet). That she might actually have to wait until she's older and wiser.

10/10 in my book. I wanted more at every turn. I went through an entire range of emotions watching this. If only there were 3 seasons.

P.S.
During the kidnapping with the Hand Girl, I literally said, "Old Man Powers, Activate!"

DarkdaxterAug 24, 2025 7:32 PM

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