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DeadIJuicyPriest said:  Hahahahahahahaha, holy fucking shit... this is the most hilarious thing in the whole episode, I freaking died. Fucking lol.. Anyways, the rushing is well done overall, I'm hearing Yumiko and Sachi will get only 1 episode each and Makina will get some but the focus will be on Amane's route, which is the cake of this adaptation. I'm enjoying this a lot, gives me brief emotions from the VN etc, what I await anyways is Meikyuu and Rakuen, which will obviously won't be rushed due to the fact that they're short VNs unlike the colossal length of Kajitsu. Not bad anyways, I really expect Amane's route to be less rushed, I'm enjoying everything they throw at me despite in being only a skeleton of Kajitsu like everyone says, and this is by no means a shit anime, just a summary adaptation of Kajitsu which is also okay considering it's only 13 episodes. Bring on the next routes! Dont be that sure. Amane route is still unconfirmed(could be 2-4 episodes) and who knows if Meikyuu & Rakuen will even get 13 more episodes. They would obviously work in such an adaption and provide probably a good adaption. Still not makin' up for this Kajitsu summary though. It would make sense, but Kajitsu in 2 cour also made sense a long time ago ;) nice screen though, lol. |
sanleiNov 3, 2014 1:29 AM
| So much teenage angst. the dialogues are still cringeworthy. what puny problems these people have. 2deep4me... |
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| Good episode overall, panty shots can be a little bit distracting at times, but hey as long as it doesnt force the plot to detract, i can let it slide. Michiru's characterization was done pretty well too, even though it is kinda obvious that the VN does flesh things out better. Still, the anime does a decent effort at adapting the source material. |
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| i watch this without any knowledge about the VN, so far is enjoyable is this adapt the source well? |
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| Really good episode. Michiru's past was sad |
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comochi said: i watch this without any knowledge about the VN, so far is enjoyable is this adapt the source well? Yes. The actual select few scenes it adapts from the Visual Novel, that is. |
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| "Some etizolam won't kill her." Yeah, right, right....whatever, screw my Pharmacology lesson. Also, Yuuji is totally crazy for buried Michiru for real O__o did it happen on VN too? And then she came out alive with no problem....yeah, right, right....screw logic. |
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| This was a great episode imo. The truth behind MIchuru and each of their backstories revealed. I guess.. this is just the first arc that finished eh? The tsundere route is now finished >.< Oh man Michiru can be so cute (its just the tsundere getting to me). Can't wait to see whos going to be in the next arc. 5/5. |
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| The voice acting was absolutely amazing, and the making fun of the standard tsundere line after riding into the sunset together was brilliant, kudos. Sometimes I wonder why some harem visual novels have much better scenes than fake shit like Kimi no Shigatsu ha uso, who tries so hard to be deep. |
DeadIJuicyPriest said: comochi said: i watch this without any knowledge about the VN, so far is enjoyable is this adapt the source well? Yes. The actual select few scenes it adapts from the Visual Novel, that is. glad to hear that i don't need play the vn then |
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comochi said: DeadIJuicyPriest said: Yes. The actual select few scenes it adapts from the Visual Novel, that is. glad to hear that i don't need play the vn then Does this adapt the source material well? No, definitely not. I would highly recommend reading it if you are interested. Though you can continue to watch the anime if you don't like visual novels too much. |
comochi said: Thats why you should be careful in threads DearJuicyPriest...Ofc this anime is not bad and its a good watch...But this is not no Kajitsu,you should read VN for the full experience....DeadIJuicyPriest said: Yes. The actual select few scenes it adapts from the Visual Novel, that is. glad to hear that i don't need play the vn then DeadIJuicyPriest said: |
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| This anime does a great job showing only the important shit from the novel. Doesnt make it bad. If you want to read the same jokes over and over for 60 hours (and of course see the excellent romance) read the novel. If not you are fine with the anime. Dont let the raging neckbeards turn you off. |
SolvitePriest said: When you start raging in Grisaia threads after Amane route's adaptation i will have few words with you...until then,i will act like i didnt hear you implying VN is not better than this :SThis anime does a great job showing only the important shit from the novel. Doesnt make it bad. If you want to read the same jokes over and over for 60 hours (and of course see the excellent romance) read the novel. If not you are fine with the anime. Dont let the raging neckbeards turn you off. |
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| Nah I wouldn't even say its a good show at all. Check Steins Gate, it abridges the hell out of the visual novel and even goes so far as to make certain heroines (ruka and faris) only 1 episode. However its a superb anime because its directed far better and chooses to change things in a smart way and even if it might leave out things, it never comes acrossed as rushed really. Grisaia is poorly directed, poorly paced and has jarring tone shifts and scene transitions. It's just a bland show in general if you ask me. |
LonelyWizard said: SolvitePriest said: When you start raging in Grisaia threads after Amane route's adaptation i will have few words with you...until then,i will act like i didnt hear you implying VN is not better than this :SThis anime does a great job showing only the important shit from the novel. Doesnt make it bad. If you want to read the same jokes over and over for 60 hours (and of course see the excellent romance) read the novel. If not you are fine with the anime. Dont let the raging neckbeards turn you off. the VN is a lot better than this but: This anime is fine. VN wannabee hipsters just trying to seem too cool for it. Same shit different series. |
hyperknees91 said: Nah I wouldn't even say its a good show at all. Check Steins Gate, it abridges the hell out of the visual novel and even goes so far as to make certain heroines (ruka and faris) only 1 episode. However its a superb anime because its directed far better and chooses to change things in a smart way and even if it might leave out things, it never comes acrossed as rushed really. Grisaia is poorly directed, poorly paced and has jarring tone shifts and scene transitions. It's just a bland show in general if you ask me. Yup, the amateur storyboarding, episode direction and overall direction in the anime is protruding quite strongly, but I can see how average Joe would get fooled by the production values apart from those quite frankly kindergarten level screw-ups in this anime. No transitions, inconsistent voice acting direction, (hell, it sounds like Yuuji's and Michiru's voice actors completely gave up on it now) re-use of locales and backgrounds in scenes that really are supposed to be taking place elsewhere, etc. And of course, for the director and writers to reach consensus on doing 5 routes in 13 episodes they all had to be stoned, or flat out hare-brained to begin with. While this route dropped a lot of things, dropping the mock funeral should have been enough to drop the entire route. It's 98% of Michiru's motivation in the box. This is not an adaptation of Grisaia no Kajitsu (the masterpiece) - this is a prologue to Meikyuu and Rakuen (the otaku wish fulfillment garbage) |
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Red_Tuesday said: hyperknees91 said: Nah I wouldn't even say its a good show at all. Check Steins Gate, it abridges the hell out of the visual novel and even goes so far as to make certain heroines (ruka and faris) only 1 episode. However its a superb anime because its directed far better and chooses to change things in a smart way and even if it might leave out things, it never comes acrossed as rushed really. Grisaia is poorly directed, poorly paced and has jarring tone shifts and scene transitions. It's just a bland show in general if you ask me. Yup, the amateur storyboarding, episode direction and overall direction in the anime is protruding quite strongly, but I can see how average Joe would get fooled by the production values apart from those quite frankly kindergarten level screw-ups in this anime. No transitions, inconsistent voice acting direction, (hell, it sounds like Yuuji's and Michiru's voice actors completely gave up on it now) re-use of locales and backgrounds in scenes that really are supposed to be taking place elsewhere, etc. And of course, for the director and writers to reach consensus on doing 5 routes in 13 episodes they all had to be stoned, or flat out hare-brained to begin with. While this route dropped a lot of things, dropping the mock funeral should have been enough to drop the entire route. It's 98% of Michiru's motivation in the box. This is not an adaptation of Grisaia no Kajitsu (the masterpiece) - this is a prologue to Meikyuu and Rakuen (the otaku wish fulfillment garbage) the director and writes dont decide on the number of episodes. how many times do you need to be told how it works before you stop crying? Also i agree, the mock funeral gave us the yumiko outburst which was when i really started to like her character. |
| ... I am speechless. I wish this had 26 episodes really bad now. How awesome would it have been to have this route for like 4-5 episodes. I wanted more details on the graveyard scene cuz damn I didn't expect 3 days! That part needed at least a good 12 mins to make it more concrete. Still, this show is doing a lovely job at making the fans try out the novel at least. I loved this episode and Michiru <3 |
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TragicRomance said: ... I am speechless. I wish this had 26 episodes really bad now. How awesome would it have been to have this route for like 4-5 episodes. I wanted more details on the graveyard scene cuz damn I didn't expect 3 days! That part needed at least a good 12 mins to make it more concrete. Still, this show is doing a lovely job at making the fans try out the novel at least. I loved this episode and Michiru <3 they showed her entire flashback, minus the fact that her tutor beat the shit out of her, and not just slapped her on the wrist. Also they didnt explain what happened to her friend, but it would have been pretty grimdark if they did. Overall id say it was a pretty good adaptation if you arent a crybaby. |
SolvitePriest said: 1-They did the flashback almost perfect(Way above my expectations)TragicRomance said: ... I am speechless. I wish this had 26 episodes really bad now. How awesome would it have been to have this route for like 4-5 episodes. I wanted more details on the graveyard scene cuz damn I didn't expect 3 days! That part needed at least a good 12 mins to make it more concrete. Still, this show is doing a lovely job at making the fans try out the novel at least. I loved this episode and Michiru <3 they showed her entire flashback, minus the fact that her tutor beat the shit out of her, and not just slapped her on the wrist. Also they didnt explain what happened to her friend, but it would have been pretty grimdark if they did. Overall id say it was a pretty good adaptation if you arent a crybaby. 2-The problem s not the flashbacks,its the lack of screen time to feel stuff and understand why da fuck Yuuji spend 3 days of his life waiting that suicidal girl after putting her in a coffin 3-Dont call people crybaby,its bad for health |
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SolvitePriest said: the director and writes dont decide on the number of episodes. No, but they decide what to cover in those episodes. And if the licensing company demanded of 8bit that they do everything in 13 episodes, they should have told them to get bent and said no thank you to the job. No adaptation > shit adaptation There are no excuses. |
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Red_Tuesday said: Average adaptation>No adaptation > shit adaptation |
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Red_Tuesday said: SolvitePriest said: the director and writes dont decide on the number of episodes. No, but they decide what to cover in those episodes. And if the licensing company demanded of 8bit that they do everything in 13 episodes, they should have told them to get bent and said no thank you to the job. No adaptation > shit adaptation There are no excuses. You are over reacting heavily. Not to mention, you have absolutely no idea how making anime works, you arent a voice actor, and youve never drawn a storyboard. You should refrain from saying things are elementary level when you lack the talent or experience to spot potential flaws. I dont say this as an insult, as you are my favorite grisaia subforum poster, but I just hate to see you say things such as that. |
SolvitePriest said: TragicRomance said: ... I am speechless. I wish this had 26 episodes really bad now. How awesome would it have been to have this route for like 4-5 episodes. I wanted more details on the graveyard scene cuz damn I didn't expect 3 days! That part needed at least a good 12 mins to make it more concrete. Still, this show is doing a lovely job at making the fans try out the novel at least. I loved this episode and Michiru <3 they showed her entire flashback, minus the fact that her tutor beat the shit out of her, and not just slapped her on the wrist. Also they didnt explain what happened to her friend, but it would have been pretty grimdark if they did. Overall id say it was a pretty good adaptation if you arent a crybaby. Well, I said it all as an anime-only viewer. I just read the basic summary of Michiru route a while ago on GNK wiki and yup... that's it (apart from what I read here) The coffin scene could still be extended. I heard that in the VN, she was barely breathing while the anime completely disregards that. That part needed some serious work. So what if it is grimdark? They did show Amane masturbating and some of Yuuji's monologues considering that. Showing plot-related stuff would have only made this better, but yeah I get what are you trying to say. No use repeating the same thing every week (about how we want a perfect adaptation) And I am not crying, I am just stating my opinion. It just makes me sad that the actual potential isn't reaching through to everyone. This could easily be 8.5+ if they were dedicated enough, but yeah money is more important for them. |
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SolvitePriest said: You should refrain from saying things are elementary level when you lack the talent or experience to spot potential flaws.. You are awfully assumptive, and not to mention, wrong. There are very few TV, video game, film or press jobs I have not gained insight on through various jobs as a writer. I have been part of two quite large national TV series in my country, for example. I'm not saying there aren't going to be differences between how things are done in the far east compared to Scandinavia, (especially in licensing and legal matters) but the lack of artistic integrity is transparent as cling film on ice. All I'm saying is; you are free to like the anime, just don't try to excuse 8-bit for making the choices they made. Hell, I'm going to continue watching it, but I'm not trying to hide or excuse the fact that it truly is, from a professional standpoint, rushed beyond what can be called acceptable in any artistic or academic sense. |
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TragicRomance said: SolvitePriest said: they showed her entire flashback, minus the fact that her tutor beat the shit out of her, and not just slapped her on the wrist. Also they didnt explain what happened to her friend, but it would have been pretty grimdark if they did. Overall id say it was a pretty good adaptation if you arent a crybaby. Well, I said it all as an anime-only viewer. I just read the basic summary of Michiru route a while ago on GNK wiki and yup... that's it (apart from what I read here) The coffin scene could still be extended. I heard that in the VN, she was barely breathing while the anime completely disregards that. That part needed some serious work. So what if it is grimdark? They did show Amane masturbating and some of Yuuji's monologues considering that. Showing plot-related stuff would have only made this better, but yeah I get what are you trying to say. No use repeating the same thing every week (about how we want a perfect adaptation) And I am not crying, I am just stating my opinion. It just makes me sad that the actual potential isn't reaching through to everyone. This could easily be 8.5+ if they were dedicated enough, but yeah money is more important for them. It's already an 8.0 to me, at least according to mal logic. It will jump up to 8 when sachi/amane routs air. Contrary to popular belief simply adding episodes to shit doesnt make it better. |
LonelyWizard said: Red_Tuesday said: Average adaptation>No adaptation > shit adaptation The original Kanon adaption is what I would consider average. Robotic Notes is what I would consider average. Grisaia is just crap, much like tsukihime and umineko were. |
hyperknees91 said: LonelyWizard said: The original Kanon adaption is what I would consider average. Robotic Notes is what I would consider average. Grisaia is just crap, much like tsukihime and umineko were. lmfao. |
SolvitePriest said: Also they didnt explain what happened to her friend, but it would have been pretty grimdark if they did. Its not like its teh first suicide in a anime ever. They could easily softed her reason and rewrite her introduction/first worthless suicide attempt. Its just attention seekin' crap they included, just because teh vn did it, for a good reason. But yeah at least someone can write now, that they included teh most of her flashback in a few seconds without actually rewritin' it. Like every drama in 5 seconds video do thatin teh same quality. hyperknees91 said: The original Kanon adaption is what I would consider average. Robotic Notes is what I would consider average. Grisaia is just crap, much like tsukihime and umineko were. Agreed. I had my hopes, but lost it completely when tehy made fun of suicide with this stupid one scene. Thank ya not for teh dog and pencil 8bit <3 Only thing im lookin' forward now is Amane route, if it really has 4 episodes(still doubtin' dat and its kinda worthless without teh endin') and teh obligatory beach episode. |
sanleiNov 3, 2014 10:11 AM
| I REALLY wanted to see the scene that was supposed to be before the coffin at that cliff. Where Yumiko breaks out of character and goes all NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and shit get animated, oh well. I'll take what i can get. Even though i was a little sad about it not showing everything, aka skipping the romance and the 2 week dating thing, all the important parts were there. so not bad, somewhat content. |
tomislol said: since they showed all the bonding and stuff between girls at the episode 2 one would expect to see that scene right?Seems like they think adding 3 more panty scenes and Michiru getting intimate with shit is more important tho...I REALLY wanted to see the scene that was supposed to be before the coffin at that cliff. Where Yumiko breaks out of character and goes all NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and shit get animated, oh well. I'll take what i can get. |
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LonelyWizard said: tomislol said: since they showed all the bonding and stuff between girls at the episode 2 one would expect to see that scene right?Seems like they think adding 3 more panty scenes and Michiru getting intimate with shit is more important tho...I REALLY wanted to see the scene that was supposed to be before the coffin at that cliff. Where Yumiko breaks out of character and goes all NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO and shit get animated, oh well. I'll take what i can get. Y would tehy show such a thing? Its obviously moar important to show drama they cant provide <3 Edit: Welp, dat was too much hatin' sry. I still liked teh sachi comedy though ;) |
sanleiNov 3, 2014 10:33 AM
sanlei said: i thought you were just using "teh" instead of "the",seems like you swap places of all the "e"s with "h"s...I learnt a new thing today... :ILonelyWizard said: since they showed all the bonding and stuff between girls at the episode 2 one would expect to see that scene right?Seems like they think adding 3 more panty scenes and Michiru getting intimate with shit is more important tho... Y would tehy show such a thing? Its obviously moar important to show drama they cant provide <3 |
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MagicFlier said: [/spoiler][spoiler]she was in love with an old man , he used her , their friends fucked and take nude pics of her. , then released it on her school. their classmates bullied her and in the end she gets pregnant . the man didnt take responsabilities and that makes kill herself What the hell? I admit, suicide would be tempting after something like this... |
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LonelyWizard said: i thought you were just using "teh" instead of "the",seems like you swap places of all the "e"s with "h"s...I learnt a new thing today... :I You were right though.^^ I just couldnt keep my worthless drama hatin' mode under control anymoar. I wont do dat again. Promise. I will. Its just sad, that 8bit is ratin' teh drama higher than teh comedy, which they easily could provide instead of this drama butcherin'. |
sanleiNov 3, 2014 10:53 AM
| I haven't even finished watching this episode - I'm 13 minutes in -, but saying I'm baffled is an understatement. Thoughts: (1) The execution was pretty weak. (2) Their constant need to go out of their way to show panties even in the most awkward situations is deplorable. That's almost as bad as calling the audience moronic at this point in my opinion. It's like a belief that the show would suck withoutl this excessive amount of fan service. (3) They really butchered Michiru's route. Everything was rushed. They skipped the funeral scene entirely, which was one of the best moments. The way her friendship with her friend is portrayed was very shallow. You don't even get to know what caused her friend to commit suicide - even though she clearly gives it up at first - in the end. (4) Due to poor foreshadowing and not enough knowledge of Michiru's background, her suicide attempt and decision to hide behind her other personality altogether come out of nowhere. It's hard to feel sympathetic towards her when there's so little character development. |
FlameseeK said: Just 13 minutes in?Wait until you see the last 2 panty shots(In the coffin and ED,those were hilarious in many ways)(2) Their constant need to go out of their way to show panties even in the most awkward situations is deplorable. That's almost as bad as calling the audience moronic at this point in my opinion. It's like a belief that the show would suck withoutl this excessive amount of fan service. |
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LonelyWizard said: FlameseeK said: Just 13 minutes in?Wait until you see the last 2 panty shots(In the coffin and ED,those were hilarious in many ways)(2) Their constant need to go out of their way to show panties even in the most awkward situations is deplorable. That's almost as bad as calling the audience moronic at this point in my opinion. It's like a belief that the show would suck withoutl this excessive amount of fan service. I'd already seen the coffin one. That was way overkill. I don't care about nudity when it's portrayed in a natural and mature way, but what they're doing in Grisaia is for the most part the exact opposite of that. The only scene involving panties/nudity I've liked so far was Amane in Yuuji's bedroom, and that's because that scene isn't really fan service - it was part of the novel and portrays Amane's sexuality and personality really well. But even then, they censored it... meh. In other words, when it's a scene that looks natural and it really counts (not to mention how much more appealing it is)... they just blow it. lol |
hyperknees91 said: And they have AMANE,her whole existence itself is the biggest fanservice and they still try so hard to add idiotic panty shots right in the middle of a very serious scene....I do question why..why do japanese animators do this with the fanservice. I mean do they really think otaku's will never watch it otherwise? I mean if your going to put fanservice in at least put it in the appropriate places. |
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LonelyWizard said: FlameseeK said: Just 13 minutes in?Wait until you see the last 2 panty shots(In the coffin and ED,those were hilarious in many ways)(2) Their constant need to go out of their way to show panties even in the most awkward situations is deplorable. That's almost as bad as calling the audience moronic at this point in my opinion. It's like a belief that the show would suck withoutl this excessive amount of fan service. They obvioulsy hate comedy in this adaption, but they still dont bother to mix weird comedy/ecchi stuff in between dead serious stuff. I wouldnt really care for that, if teh drama wasnt as bad as it is, but it makes teh whole situation even worse. Its like teasin' me that it would have been a good comedy/ecchi adaption of teh common route every damn time while butcherin' teh great drama of teh vn. |
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LonelyWizard said: hyperknees91 said: And they have AMANE,her whole existence itself is the biggest fanservice and they still try so hard to add idiotic panty shots right in the middle of a very serious scene....I do question why..why do japanese animators do this with the fanservice. I mean do they really think otaku's will never watch it otherwise? I mean if your going to put fanservice in at least put it in the appropriate places. I wouldn't compare Amane's sexuality to fan service. It's one thing when the character does certain things on purpose. Amane is a pervert, so the things she does are believable for someone like her. It's an inherent aspect of her character. The show itself isn't a character though, so adjusting the "camera angle" to show more things than normal is entirely different. I personally love pervert female characters, but I don't care for most fan service scenes - or dislike them depending on how bad or weird they are. I've just watched this episode's ED and I gotta agree... that final panty shot was so weird, I think these guys need an anatomy lesson that explains our brains aren't located in our lower halves.... lol EDIT: I think what you're trying to say may not necessarily conflict with my opinion... it's mostly likely just wording contrast. |
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FlameseeK said: I mean they can always add some more naughty Amane scenes or Sacchi/Makina's sexual jokes to grab viewer's attention(Isnt it the whole point of "Fanservice") instead of forced,overused panty shots...EDIT: I think what you're trying to say may not necessarily conflict with my opinion... it's mostly likely just wording contrast. sanlei said: I kinda agree with you...Trying to show all Ecchi/Dram/Comedy/Pscyhological stuff in 13 episodes is suicidal...They should have chose ne standpoint and decide to do a serious show or a ecchi/comedy...(Doing both is ofc better like they do with Fate but its wont work in 13 episodes)They obvioulsy hate comedy in this adaption, but they still dont bother to mix weird comedy/ecchi stuff in between dead serious stuff. I wouldnt really care for that, if teh drama wasnt as bad as it is, but it makes teh whole situation even worse. Its like teasin' me that it would have been a good comedy/ecchi adaption of teh common route every damn time while butcherin' teh great drama of teh vn. |
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