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Dec 21, 2024 8:09 PM
#151
Reply to Masshiroi
JackOfDeath said:
I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime?
I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime?
I understand you completely, I finished it only with sheer willpower because it was, according to me, really awful.
| @Masshiroi really awful indeed. I rated it a 2 cause of the Opening song and the last like 5 minutes of the show. Other then that it's just garbage |
Dec 21, 2024 8:09 PM
#152
Reply to necomancer_ilst
Honestly? I don't like it either. I think it's overhyped and pretentious. But you're taking way too much of your time to bash something you don't like and discredit anyone who has a different opinion.
Get something better to do, touch some grass.
Get something better to do, touch some grass.
| @code_NKMNCR how about I touch you instead |
Dec 21, 2024 8:10 PM
#153
| @Karkov05 never even heard of that |
Dec 21, 2024 8:12 PM
#154
Reply to Recynon
@Rishon007
The guy asked for an explanation of why people like this show. You then sarcastically strawmanned him as simply complaining that people liked this show. He asked for an explanation and you gave a cursory overview of its themes but didn't elaborate then shifted the burden of proof on him. And in this last reply you didn't elaborate much more either, falling back on the claim that SEL simply tackles these themes but not naming any specific plot points that do so. You are the one making baseless surface level observations if that is all you can say about a show that supposedly talks about what is happening right now. Supposedly you thought and came up with your own interpretation because unlike him you don't have a tik tok brain. So tell me, what EXACTLY is SEL saying about the internet and technology? What did SEL predict?
And if you say the generic thing of, now people are addicted to their screens more than ever, 1) SEL doesn't show the process of how Lain gets addicted to the internet; she simply claims that her friends on the internet are much better than the real world but we don't see the formation of those relationships. 2)SEL basically treats technology as magic where reality and the internet merge because Chiaki Konaka says so via some schumann resonance plot device. We don't know where Lain's multiple personalities come from; yes, people show a different persona online than in real life, but Lain's personas appear to be preexisting. SEL may get it generally and figuratively right that people are much more immersed in the internet now, but it almost completely misses the mark in terms of HOW and WHY that happens by treating technology and the internet as some sort of supernatural phenomenon. I think rather than SEL being some incredible predictor of the future, Chiaki Konaka is some deranged conspiracy theorist whose irrational wholesale fear of the internet just happened to have some partial truth to it.
The guy asked for an explanation of why people like this show. You then sarcastically strawmanned him as simply complaining that people liked this show. He asked for an explanation and you gave a cursory overview of its themes but didn't elaborate then shifted the burden of proof on him. And in this last reply you didn't elaborate much more either, falling back on the claim that SEL simply tackles these themes but not naming any specific plot points that do so. You are the one making baseless surface level observations if that is all you can say about a show that supposedly talks about what is happening right now. Supposedly you thought and came up with your own interpretation because unlike him you don't have a tik tok brain. So tell me, what EXACTLY is SEL saying about the internet and technology? What did SEL predict?
And if you say the generic thing of, now people are addicted to their screens more than ever, 1) SEL doesn't show the process of how Lain gets addicted to the internet; she simply claims that her friends on the internet are much better than the real world but we don't see the formation of those relationships. 2)SEL basically treats technology as magic where reality and the internet merge because Chiaki Konaka says so via some schumann resonance plot device. We don't know where Lain's multiple personalities come from; yes, people show a different persona online than in real life, but Lain's personas appear to be preexisting. SEL may get it generally and figuratively right that people are much more immersed in the internet now, but it almost completely misses the mark in terms of HOW and WHY that happens by treating technology and the internet as some sort of supernatural phenomenon. I think rather than SEL being some incredible predictor of the future, Chiaki Konaka is some deranged conspiracy theorist whose irrational wholesale fear of the internet just happened to have some partial truth to it.
| @Recynon first person backing me this hard and I respect it. Thanks for bodying this guy😭🙏 |
Dec 21, 2024 8:14 PM
#155
Reply to Sleesh
The zoomer brain can’t fathom
| @Sleesh aw yes it's my brain that's the problem? Or maybe it's just a terrible anime that people can only give "abstract" reasons why it's good? Nostalgia and the need to feel unique is a powerful thing. |
Dec 21, 2024 10:02 PM
#156
| I can get not liking Lain, the show isn't for everyone but why hating on people who like it and claiming they lie about why they feel? Personally I love lain because it's a beautiful story about a lonely and isolated girl and the tragedy of her alienation , her friendship with Arisu and her father being the highlight, showing the dissonance between her want for love and her difficulty being with people and her complicated relationship with a family who mostly (except for her mom maybe) loves her but can't understand her, even if they aren't her real family It's just a beautiful tragedy of a girl who feels she has no place in the world while also having some interesting food for thought about our connection to technology which is also worked on by a writer of my favourite digimon season so the writing style feels familiar and one I really love I get that it isn't for everyone, very similarly to Rei from evangelion, some love the character and some don't understand her at all, it says nothing about intelligence, only the ability to relate or empathise with this kind of character and people in general like reserved characters less for some reason |
Dec 21, 2024 11:40 PM
#157
| does op know about opinions? |
Dec 22, 2024 1:16 AM
#158
JackOfDeath said: @cursed_viper I understand the entire plot and knew exactly where it was going. The plot wasn't confusing it was just bad. All the characters were boring soulless and useless with zero substance to them, lain as well is a boring and uninteresting mc, we know basically nothing before the wired except she was anxious and an introvert. The world was boring and had no build up, every episode just skipped ahead to see Lain go deeper and deeper into madness making it to where you didn't feel a connection to it since it was so rushed. Not to mention the entire premise was bad. If the only thing people can say about an anime to make it sound good is "the atmosphere" "the vibe" "the uniqueness" and etc, it's obvious not good. You are obviously just trying to say you like it to seem like you "understood" The bigger picture when in the end the bigger picture is just how lazy, boring and empty the world, characters and plot is. (Name 1 anime besides platinum end where the entire world and every character dies. Oh wait you can't, it's a 10 from boldness alone) other than lain rest of the characters were boaring and soulless I agree with that, but they were not that much important for the story to begin with (except few) so I didn't really cared But lain was very intresting character, I don't know what are you yapping about. Her character growth throughout the series was phenomenal. And why didn't we no nothing about her before the whole wired thing? that's because she didn't existed before that, she was created in wired. If you actually watched the show with your brain open you may have seen that But I don't expect someone who can give Tokyo ghoul √A 10/10 to watch shows with their brain open With all that said, you actually make a very good argument about why should someone give platinum end 10/10 yes I also should score it 10 because of the fact that everyone is killed in this show as a result the pointless universe of platinum end dosnt exist any more I still don't understand how can the writer of death note can write this nonsense the kid said if he became god he would just kill himself, but the other idiots still made him God and what did he do when he became god? oh that's right he killed himself if you find that intresting and not lain's character then your iq is just lower than your dick size at the end I just want to say, the whole argument about why you don't find serial experiments lain intresting and everyone else does can be answered in one sentence everyone has different taste in anime yours just happened to be an exceptionally bad one |
Dec 22, 2024 2:21 AM
#159
| Maybe it's just you picked the wrong shows what are the genre you like in content |
Dec 22, 2024 2:22 AM
#160
Reply to Rishon007
oh no! people like something I don't, how dare they!
| @Rishon007 lol good one this guy just doesn't make sense |
Dec 22, 2024 2:35 AM
#161
| Lain is full of bright ideas and not just shady vibes. One of my favourite is the problem of being connected with or without peripherals to the net and to eachother. This problem still stands, these days implants are under development and who wouldn’t play with the idea of using this tech to more and more. There was a good series on netflix which adapted Huxley’s Brave New World where they had some sort of a smart contact lens for their eyes, there is this high budget fancy scene which shows a close up on how the lens are being applied to the eye so its tiny cables are actually penetrating the eye to reach the nerves, and voilà from there they stay connected. I liked the interpretation of SeL on this, even with the scetchy animation which I personally found even more fulfilling. This is just one example and I’m happy to share a lot more. I don’t think there are only abstract reasons why to like this show but its always hard to convert impressions to words its a difficult job with any anime since the feelings are in deed abstract we can’t just pass our joy of something to someone else, or at least not on a forum, maybe in the future on the wired lol. But thats why I asked the good ol’ GPT4 I think the answer is interesting: “Serial Experiments Lain is a show that invites viewers to relate to it through its themes of identity, connection, and the blurred line between reality and the digital world. It doesn’t just hand you answers—it asks you to explore questions like: • Who am I in a world where online and offline lives blend together? • How much of “me” is shaped by my connections to others and to technology? • Where do the boundaries of reality end and the digital self begin? It mirrors real-life struggles with social isolation, the need for belonging, and our growing dependence on tech to connect. Lain herself is a blank slate in many ways, making it easier for viewers to project their own experiences and questions onto her journey. The show’s cryptic storytelling pulls you into its world, encouraging you to interpret its meaning through your own lens. It’s less about understanding Lain and more about reflecting on how you relate to the wired world it portrays.” So there might be a good reason why some people find it substanceless or soulless, I guess it was meant to be that way as an experimental media format, even the game was planned like this. However I think anime overall is an underground “genre” compared to for example holywood, lain is like the underground of the underground and by that I’m talking about very exact financial/technical problems and not abstract art or existentialism and philospophy. Negative criticism over the visuals and animation about an alter 90’ anime is just a cheap point which I will never go into. ![]() |
Dec 22, 2024 3:07 AM
#162
| i just love freaky and weird stuff. Jokes aside, i understand that lain deffo isnt for everyone and in many aspects is probably pretty overhyped. For me personally Lain is exactly what i like in anime, just hits the spot; The show raises deep questions about who we are, what’s real, and how the internet affects our sense of self. I known it for its surreal storytelling and eerie atmosphere, blending cyberpunk and existential themes in a way that’s both unsettling and thought-provoking and literally beautiful. Fight me on this but ill stay a simp for Yoshitoshi ABe foreverrr -3- |
Dec 22, 2024 3:18 AM
#163
Reply to tsukor
Lain is full of bright ideas and not just shady vibes.
One of my favourite is the problem of being connected with or without peripherals to the net and to eachother. This problem still stands, these days implants are under development and who wouldn’t play with the idea of using this tech to more and more. There was a good series on netflix which adapted Huxley’s Brave New World where they had some sort of a smart contact lens for their eyes, there is this high budget fancy scene which shows a close up on how the lens are being applied to the eye so its tiny cables are actually penetrating the eye to reach the nerves, and voilà from there they stay connected. I liked the interpretation of SeL on this, even with the scetchy animation which I personally found even more fulfilling. This is just one example and I’m happy to share a lot more. I don’t think there are only abstract reasons why to like this show but its always hard to convert impressions to words its a difficult job with any anime since the feelings are in deed abstract we can’t just pass our joy of something to someone else, or at least not on a forum, maybe in the future on the wired lol.
But thats why I asked the good ol’ GPT4
I think the answer is interesting:
“Serial Experiments Lain is a show that invites viewers to relate to it through its themes of identity, connection, and the blurred line between reality and the digital world. It doesn’t just hand you answers—it asks you to explore questions like:
• Who am I in a world where online and offline lives blend together?
• How much of “me” is shaped by my connections to others and to technology?
• Where do the boundaries of reality end and the digital self begin?
It mirrors real-life struggles with social isolation, the need for belonging, and our growing dependence on tech to connect. Lain herself is a blank slate in many ways, making it easier for viewers to project their own experiences and questions onto her journey. The show’s cryptic storytelling pulls you into its world, encouraging you to interpret its meaning through your own lens.
It’s less about understanding Lain and more about reflecting on how you relate to the wired world it portrays.”
So there might be a good reason why some people find it substanceless or soulless, I guess it was meant to be that way as an experimental media format, even the game was planned like this.
However I think anime overall is an underground “genre” compared to for example holywood, lain is like the underground of the underground and by that I’m talking about very exact financial/technical problems and not abstract art or existentialism and philospophy.
Negative criticism over the visuals and animation about an alter 90’ anime is just a cheap point which I will never go into.

One of my favourite is the problem of being connected with or without peripherals to the net and to eachother. This problem still stands, these days implants are under development and who wouldn’t play with the idea of using this tech to more and more. There was a good series on netflix which adapted Huxley’s Brave New World where they had some sort of a smart contact lens for their eyes, there is this high budget fancy scene which shows a close up on how the lens are being applied to the eye so its tiny cables are actually penetrating the eye to reach the nerves, and voilà from there they stay connected. I liked the interpretation of SeL on this, even with the scetchy animation which I personally found even more fulfilling. This is just one example and I’m happy to share a lot more. I don’t think there are only abstract reasons why to like this show but its always hard to convert impressions to words its a difficult job with any anime since the feelings are in deed abstract we can’t just pass our joy of something to someone else, or at least not on a forum, maybe in the future on the wired lol.
But thats why I asked the good ol’ GPT4
I think the answer is interesting:
“Serial Experiments Lain is a show that invites viewers to relate to it through its themes of identity, connection, and the blurred line between reality and the digital world. It doesn’t just hand you answers—it asks you to explore questions like:
• Who am I in a world where online and offline lives blend together?
• How much of “me” is shaped by my connections to others and to technology?
• Where do the boundaries of reality end and the digital self begin?
It mirrors real-life struggles with social isolation, the need for belonging, and our growing dependence on tech to connect. Lain herself is a blank slate in many ways, making it easier for viewers to project their own experiences and questions onto her journey. The show’s cryptic storytelling pulls you into its world, encouraging you to interpret its meaning through your own lens.
It’s less about understanding Lain and more about reflecting on how you relate to the wired world it portrays.”
So there might be a good reason why some people find it substanceless or soulless, I guess it was meant to be that way as an experimental media format, even the game was planned like this.
However I think anime overall is an underground “genre” compared to for example holywood, lain is like the underground of the underground and by that I’m talking about very exact financial/technical problems and not abstract art or existentialism and philospophy.
Negative criticism over the visuals and animation about an alter 90’ anime is just a cheap point which I will never go into.

| @tsukor well written mister man |
Dec 22, 2024 4:05 AM
#164
| You have shows like Real Drive and Ghost in the Shell SAC that have ACTUAL SUBSTANCE by putting thought into their scifi concepts and explaining them clearly as opposed to being confusing in order to be thought provoking. I doubt any of you have actually learned anything from pondering the thought provoking questions of Lain. |
Dec 22, 2024 4:46 AM
#165
Reply to JackCompletes
@cursed_viper I understand the entire plot and knew exactly where it was going. The plot wasn't confusing it was just bad. All the characters were boring soulless and useless with zero substance to them, lain as well is a boring and uninteresting mc, we know basically nothing before the wired except she was anxious and an introvert. The world was boring and had no build up, every episode just skipped ahead to see Lain go deeper and deeper into madness making it to where you didn't feel a connection to it since it was so rushed. Not to mention the entire premise was bad. If the only thing people can say about an anime to make it sound good is "the atmosphere" "the vibe" "the uniqueness" and etc, it's obvious not good. You are obviously just trying to say you like it to seem like you "understood" The bigger picture when in the end the bigger picture is just how lazy, boring and empty the world, characters and plot is. (Name 1 anime besides platinum end where the entire world and every character dies. Oh wait you can't, it's a 10 from boldness alone)
JackOfDeath said: Name 1 anime besides platinum end where the entire world and every character dies. Oh wait you can't, it's a 10 from boldness alone Space runaway Ideon Zeta gundam came pretty close Technically evangelion I'm pretty sure devilman |
Dec 22, 2024 7:38 AM
#166
JackOfDeath said: @ricejelly and you should try to watch good anime instead of saying this is your favorite cause "I'm so Lain" I’m just a stranger on the internet, man. I’m not going to dedicate a lot of time here. But I really do think you should look into why it bothers you so much that people like different cartoons than you. Or, if this IS just a cry for attention, why you feel like picking petty fights with a bunch of people you’ll never see is the best way to get it. I have no reason to be invested in your well being, but you do. |
ricejellyDec 22, 2024 6:17 PM
Did you hear me? I said I'm gonna do my best!! ☆ |
Dec 22, 2024 8:58 AM
#167
| You people are actually bothering to argue with a baiting edgy troll... |
Dec 22, 2024 10:58 AM
#168
you know you have said the most smartest thing in this whole post |
Dec 22, 2024 12:24 PM
#169
Reply to Guilmon1
I can get not liking Lain, the show isn't for everyone but why hating on people who like it and claiming they lie about why they feel?
Personally I love lain because it's a beautiful story about a lonely and isolated girl and the tragedy of her alienation , her friendship with Arisu and her father being the highlight, showing the dissonance between her want for love and her difficulty being with people and her complicated relationship with a family who mostly (except for her mom maybe) loves her but can't understand her, even if they aren't her real family
It's just a beautiful tragedy of a girl who feels she has no place in the world while also having some interesting food for thought about our connection to technology which is also worked on by a writer of my favourite digimon season so the writing style feels familiar and one I really love
I get that it isn't for everyone, very similarly to Rei from evangelion, some love the character and some don't understand her at all, it says nothing about intelligence, only the ability to relate or empathise with this kind of character and people in general like reserved characters less for some reason
Personally I love lain because it's a beautiful story about a lonely and isolated girl and the tragedy of her alienation , her friendship with Arisu and her father being the highlight, showing the dissonance between her want for love and her difficulty being with people and her complicated relationship with a family who mostly (except for her mom maybe) loves her but can't understand her, even if they aren't her real family
It's just a beautiful tragedy of a girl who feels she has no place in the world while also having some interesting food for thought about our connection to technology which is also worked on by a writer of my favourite digimon season so the writing style feels familiar and one I really love
I get that it isn't for everyone, very similarly to Rei from evangelion, some love the character and some don't understand her at all, it says nothing about intelligence, only the ability to relate or empathise with this kind of character and people in general like reserved characters less for some reason
| @Guilmon1 The mother you see in the show I think hates her role as a mother or the repetition in her life. She only is interested in being a lover. If you go through the game in images you see a different person shown as her mother this one loves her but she also is like her dad in some ways where she doesnt fully get through to Lain. Lain instead mostly is shown talking to a psychotherapist. |
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Dec 22, 2024 12:27 PM
#170
Reply to traed
@Guilmon1
The mother you see in the show I think hates her role as a mother or the repetition in her life. She only is interested in being a lover. If you go through the game in images you see a different person shown as her mother this one loves her but she also is like her dad in some ways where she doesnt fully get through to Lain. Lain instead mostly is shown talking to a psychotherapist.
The mother you see in the show I think hates her role as a mother or the repetition in her life. She only is interested in being a lover. If you go through the game in images you see a different person shown as her mother this one loves her but she also is like her dad in some ways where she doesnt fully get through to Lain. Lain instead mostly is shown talking to a psychotherapist.
| @traed didn't play the game yet and the mother is one of the least developed characters in the anime so never felt about it, sounds interesting |
Dec 22, 2024 12:43 PM
#171
Reply to Guilmon1
@traed didn't play the game yet and the mother is one of the least developed characters in the anime so never felt about it, sounds interesting
| @Guilmon1 It's really just shown in the odd way she acts I get that impression. The game is very different from the anime but dealing with same themes. I have reason to think they are connected rather than just alternate timelines but this isnt explicitly stated. The game is like a non linear visual novel except it is images, audio files, journal entries, and short animated segments telling a story |
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Dec 22, 2024 3:50 PM
#172
| You didn't like? Good for you! We were dying to hear your opinion. |
Dec 22, 2024 5:46 PM
#173
| I loved the visuals and overall aesthetic of the show. Plot didn't hit home completely, but i felt it was decent enough. There is an argument to be made for it being slightly overrated tho. P.S. Insane opening. |
Dec 23, 2024 7:02 AM
#174
| I completely agree. It’s super boring and confusing. Could have been condensed into a 90 minute movie and would have been better. If you watch it back for a second time, everything makes sense, but it’s so boring no one wants to sit through that again |
Dec 23, 2024 8:26 AM
#175
Reply to IAmVento
I completely agree. It’s super boring and confusing. Could have been condensed into a 90 minute movie and would have been better. If you watch it back for a second time, everything makes sense, but it’s so boring no one wants to sit through that again
| @IAmVento Okay, you are so cool and right for saying all that and obviously your opinion is the objective fact and it can't be reasonably argued against in any kind of logical way. Btw, I would advice you not even trying to watch Texhnolyze and you might want to remove Boogiepop from your PTW. |
Dec 23, 2024 8:40 AM
#176
Reply to traed
@Guilmon1
It's really just shown in the odd way she acts I get that impression. The game is very different from the anime but dealing with same themes. I have reason to think they are connected rather than just alternate timelines but this isnt explicitly stated. The game is like a non linear visual novel except it is images, audio files, journal entries, and short animated segments telling a story
It's really just shown in the odd way she acts I get that impression. The game is very different from the anime but dealing with same themes. I have reason to think they are connected rather than just alternate timelines but this isnt explicitly stated. The game is like a non linear visual novel except it is images, audio files, journal entries, and short animated segments telling a story
| @traed The one shot manga is also a part of the game as it was packed with the game in Japan and corresponds to the missing file of the game. There is actually a short part of ther game where you do some puzzle solving which is pretty much the only interactive part. Her Story is a similar game to Lain if you know about it . |
Dec 23, 2024 12:41 PM
#177
| @JoeChip Yeah I went through the online remake a few years ago when it was just the files you click through before they had a full interface. As for the whole thing spoiler required for a speculation. The game was released before the show BTW Some people think the game is an alternate timeline but I really think it takes place in the same world despite Lain killing herself. Lain in game starts off as a 12 year old and lives to 14. Either the TV anime Lain came to be after the game Lain or they both existed at the same time. The dad at one point disappears in the game's story if I recall right it wasnt known what happened to him. That is when Lain builds the robot torso out of loneliness and need to be held and touched and was some subtle sexual implications but i dont think she was literally into her dad that way it's likely more a reference to the electra complex and symbolic of all her physical needs not met by the Wired if anything. There is two possibilities. One is the dad was killed in an accident or committed suicide which is only slightly supported in the show near the end of the TV show where he sort of appears as if he is communicating to Lain through the Wired directly. But more likely I think he was living a double life with two families and at some point abandoned Lain and her mother. Due to the mother in the game looking like Lain perhaps she is her real biological mother indicating that Lain is was born from her. The TV lain possibly materialized. This makes the abandonment even more fucked up because it possibly means he sees the TV Lain as better due to her better ability to connect to the Wired. It's basically implied TV Lain is the only one with someone to ground her enough to not completely leave the physical world entirely having Alice as a friend. |
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Dec 24, 2024 7:32 AM
#178
JackOfDeath said: I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime? Yeah i never understood the hype dispite liking philosophical and dark animes. It was an absolute snooze fest for me but the intro made it worth while. Different folks different strokes ig |
Dec 24, 2024 7:46 AM
#179
SCAREDgorilla said: JackOfDeath said: @SCAREDgorilla honestly never even heard of that but after seeing "3rd grader" in the description I don't think I wanna either I have more peak recommendations if you want. Here’s another: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4714/ Thats an insane title 😭😭😭 |
Dec 24, 2024 7:50 AM
#180
Darzy_Mal said: @JackOfDeath I am not good at explaining things that I like but I hope u will take your time to read it. it talks about social issues that are still relevant today than it ever was in 1998. I am not making this up and this is fact whether you like it or not. idk your points about it being uninteresting. Lain is one of the most unique piece of media I have ever seen. Its incredile atmosphere, vague symbolism, surreal visuals and thought-provoking story add to the interestingness of the series. You probably don't like it because it is slow and dry to watch, but that was a part of the creator's intention. By making it slow, again, adds to the overall atmosphere and strangness of the series. Lain is a series that some ppl can relate to. Lain herself is a character who is introvert, socially-awkward but when she is on the WIRED (internet), she is confident and aggressively outspoken. Its idea is that we adapt different personality when we are on the internet. Sounds familar? that is the type of stuff that ppl do nowadays, our identity on internet and ours irl are different. So that's why ppl like becuz it is deep and ahead of its time. Lain is not for everyone including you i guess but the fact that you dislike it doesn't mean it a bad show. You should give yourself more credit. This is the best explanation on this whole discussion and it gave le a better pov. Im gonna rewatch it to see if i get a better experience. Thanks |
Dec 24, 2024 2:00 PM
#181
| It's one of the best for me it's slow but it's immersive |
Dec 25, 2024 6:32 AM
#182
| the anime was actually kinda good but the ugly ahh art style coupled with the bad animation just distracted me all the time |
Dec 25, 2024 7:15 AM
#183
Reply to Young_Genna
SCAREDgorilla said:
I have more peak recommendations if you want.
Here’s another: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4714/
JackOfDeath said:
@SCAREDgorilla honestly never even heard of that but after seeing "3rd grader" in the description I don't think I wanna either
@SCAREDgorilla honestly never even heard of that but after seeing "3rd grader" in the description I don't think I wanna either
I have more peak recommendations if you want.
Here’s another: https://myanimelist.net/anime/4714/
Thats an insane title 😭😭😭
| @Young_Genna well at least it's a honest one with a title like that nobody can't complain that they don't know what they get into. |
Dec 25, 2024 5:31 PM
#184
| People like this anime because it's not intended to entertain but make you think about philosophical questions. I treat this anime more like a video essay packaged with a story, so if you don't like reading essays about philosophy, then this anime's probably not for you - but there are some people who like reading essays about philosophy, hence why people like it. |
Dec 27, 2024 1:01 AM
#185
| it's a type of anime that needs the viewer attention to solve its abstract philosophy and themes and making sense of what is going on, kinda like a murder mystery novel. If you just want it to explain everything and don't even bother trying to crack the plot yourself then ofc all of those visuals are meaningless to you. |
Dec 27, 2024 4:39 AM
#186
Reply to Young_Genna
Darzy_Mal said:
@JackOfDeath I am not good at explaining things that I like but I hope u will take your time to read it.
it talks about social issues that are still relevant today than it ever was in 1998. I am not making this up and this is fact whether you like it or not.
idk your points about it being uninteresting. Lain is one of the most unique piece of media I have ever seen. Its incredile atmosphere, vague symbolism, surreal visuals and thought-provoking story add to the interestingness of the series. You probably don't like it because it is slow and dry to watch, but that was a part of the creator's intention. By making it slow, again, adds to the overall atmosphere and strangness of the series.
Lain is a series that some ppl can relate to. Lain herself is a character who is introvert, socially-awkward but when she is on the WIRED (internet), she is confident and aggressively outspoken. Its idea is that we adapt different personality when we are on the internet. Sounds familar? that is the type of stuff that ppl do nowadays, our identity on internet and ours irl are different. So that's why ppl like becuz it is deep and ahead of its time.
Lain is not for everyone including you i guess but the fact that you dislike it doesn't mean it a bad show.
@JackOfDeath I am not good at explaining things that I like but I hope u will take your time to read it.
it talks about social issues that are still relevant today than it ever was in 1998. I am not making this up and this is fact whether you like it or not.
idk your points about it being uninteresting. Lain is one of the most unique piece of media I have ever seen. Its incredile atmosphere, vague symbolism, surreal visuals and thought-provoking story add to the interestingness of the series. You probably don't like it because it is slow and dry to watch, but that was a part of the creator's intention. By making it slow, again, adds to the overall atmosphere and strangness of the series.
Lain is a series that some ppl can relate to. Lain herself is a character who is introvert, socially-awkward but when she is on the WIRED (internet), she is confident and aggressively outspoken. Its idea is that we adapt different personality when we are on the internet. Sounds familar? that is the type of stuff that ppl do nowadays, our identity on internet and ours irl are different. So that's why ppl like becuz it is deep and ahead of its time.
Lain is not for everyone including you i guess but the fact that you dislike it doesn't mean it a bad show.
You should give yourself more credit. This is the best explanation on this whole discussion and it gave le a better pov. Im gonna rewatch it to see if i get a better experience. Thanks
| @Young_Genna No problem bro! |
Dec 27, 2024 7:43 AM
#187
| Watching this over such a long period of time doesn’t help as you have to pay attention to a lot of the visuals and connect dots here and there |
Dec 27, 2024 11:12 AM
#188
| I don't know but I love it, it like a safe place to me |
Dec 27, 2024 11:33 AM
#189
JackOfDeath said: I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime? you just don't understand it's point |
Dec 30, 2024 5:06 PM
#190
JackOfDeath said: I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime? Lain is a masterpiece for many reasons. Technically, after Evangelion was maybe the first (or at least one of the first) to create a fragmentated structure, united to surreal, unpredicrable imaginery, live-action animation that are still very unique and courageous things nowadays. Lain conveys many philosophical, scientific arguments that were united in that same story for a reason. Lain talks about internet as a period where many secular efforts are bringed to an result: internet, that starts an era where reality and fiction are confused, personalities shifted and so on, even with some critiques to America that the creators confirmed in an interview. This great idea is crossed with a more personal experience: the life of a proto-nerd: the protagonist and the aesthetic, the sense of slow suspension reflects her worldview, and she is observed in her multiple personalities and desires. She is a simple character but archetypal and profound, as a greek deity in the myths, you know, they don't have so much nuances, but still they are very memorable in how that few traits are chosen. Lain represents very well the alienation and isolation we live even now and their connection with external, existential themes (reality/fiction), problems to find a cohesive identity, united with relational themes (hedonism, psychological blocks). The lo-fi aesthetic and animation also reflect this dissociation and are very innovative, because we see it now in recent subcultures like liminal spaces or vaporwave. Triangle Staff had a very little budget and they were capable to justify thematically lo-fi aspects and transforming them in virtues. You should see Lain as a painting mixed to an essay, where repetition serves to set many moods. Hypnosis, dissociation, depression, also astonishment for casual visual and sonic choices, you should primarily immerge in the series, not try to figure out a plot or direct empathic identification. But even these purposes in an anime are very unique and are a content themselves. |
Dec 31, 2024 8:48 AM
#191
Reply to TheDreamWeaver99
JackOfDeath said:
I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime?
I Started This Anime About a Year Ago And JUST Finished It. It Was Slow, Boring and overall Uninteresting. So why is it so highly rated? Why are people so obsessed with it? Can someone explain how this is actually a good anime?
Lain is a masterpiece for many reasons.
Technically, after Evangelion was maybe the first (or at least one of the first) to create a fragmentated structure, united to surreal, unpredicrable imaginery, live-action animation that are still very unique and courageous things nowadays.
Lain conveys many philosophical, scientific arguments that were united in that same story for a reason. Lain talks about internet as a period where many secular efforts are bringed to an result: internet, that starts an era where reality and fiction are confused, personalities shifted and so on, even with some critiques to America that the creators confirmed in an interview.
This great idea is crossed with a more personal experience: the life of a proto-nerd: the protagonist and the aesthetic, the sense of slow suspension reflects her worldview, and she is observed in her multiple personalities and desires. She is a simple character but archetypal and profound, as a greek deity in the myths, you know, they don't have so much nuances, but still they are very memorable in how that few traits are chosen. Lain represents very well the alienation and isolation we live even now and their connection with external, existential themes (reality/fiction), problems to find a cohesive identity, united with relational themes (hedonism, psychological blocks).
The lo-fi aesthetic and animation also reflect this dissociation and are very innovative, because we see it now in recent subcultures like liminal spaces or vaporwave. Triangle Staff had a very little budget and they were capable to justify thematically lo-fi aspects and transforming them in virtues.
You should see Lain as a painting mixed to an essay, where repetition serves to set many moods. Hypnosis, dissociation, depression, also astonishment for casual visual and sonic choices, you should primarily immerge in the series, not try to figure out a plot or direct empathic identification. But even these purposes in an anime are very unique and are a content themselves.
| @TheDreamWeaver99 In short, Lain is not a mystery to solve but a reality to experience. It's a multimedia project btw, hence the game. |
Jan 3, 10:18 AM
#193
| Its the way they made the story. its True that it is rushed and has a lot of unwanted screen times ,but they just show us the society. what did you see anyway ? a view of normal buildings ? they represent the 90s era, I was interested when. I found out that we are seeing the anime from the perspective of a software and not a real human , Although the last few episodes didnt make much sense. must rewatch It Also I like the idea of Using some natural resonance to connect every human being without the need of a computer by directly sending the message to the brain via the shumann resonance or something ,I really dont remember the exact name. Here The software is the God ,since it can control the internet, It really is nice to see intersing concepts in Anime . Its in one way similar to The Matrix. We are living inside a simulation ,but here the its the reverse. We are living in reality controlled by the internet. were the clear line between imaginary and reality breaks as lain is the connection between internet ( The simulation) and reality |
Jan 4, 9:23 AM
#195
Reply to Gost_Rider
Its the way they made the story. its True that it is rushed and has a lot of unwanted screen times ,but they just show us the society. what did you see anyway ? a view of normal buildings ? they represent the 90s era, I was interested when. I found out that we are seeing the anime from the perspective of a software and not a real
human , Although the last few episodes didnt make much sense. must rewatch It Also I like the idea of Using some natural resonance to
connect every human being without the need of a computer by directly sending the message to the brain via the shumann resonance or something ,I really dont remember the exact name. Here The software is the God ,since it can control the internet, It really is nice to see intersing concepts in Anime .
Its in one way similar to The Matrix. We are living inside a simulation ,but here the its the reverse. We are living in reality controlled by the internet. were the clear line between imaginary and reality breaks as lain is the connection between internet ( The simulation) and reality
human , Although the last few episodes didnt make much sense. must rewatch It Also I like the idea of Using some natural resonance to
connect every human being without the need of a computer by directly sending the message to the brain via the shumann resonance or something ,I really dont remember the exact name. Here The software is the God ,since it can control the internet, It really is nice to see intersing concepts in Anime .
Its in one way similar to The Matrix. We are living inside a simulation ,but here the its the reverse. We are living in reality controlled by the internet. were the clear line between imaginary and reality breaks as lain is the connection between internet ( The simulation) and reality
| @Gost_Rider If you think it is rushed then you didn't get it. |
Jan 7, 8:49 PM
#196
| I'm gonna say it's got nothing to do with the show. I think it has to do with the fact that it took you an entire year to watch 13 episodes. |
Jan 7, 9:12 PM
#197
| if we're being honest right now. The majority of the fans you see on other platforms like TikTok haven't seen the anime. |
Jan 18, 7:49 PM
#198
| The atmosphere of it all, aesthetics, music and loneliness that lain goes through (the emotional core of it) |
Jan 23, 9:22 AM
#199
| Dashing off some thoughts before bedtime, because SEL got me curious enough to wonder what other people thought of it, and I came here and saw this. (Many thanks to those who have posted your own rich interpretations and analyses! I enjoyed reading them.) I think like many people have pointed out, SEL's strengths and weakness is that it's so open to interpretation. For myself who grew up through the 80s and 90s, and being a lover of the "unserious" sci-fi of Asimov and Arthur C Clarke and Frank Herbert, William Gibson, and nowadays Liu Cixin maybe, it tackles some big sci-fi concepts, like... The brain is a network of neurons. The communications networks humans create also have a similar structure. William Gibson imagined (and Ghost in the Shell echoed) that a spontaneous consciousness might emerge from such networks. In fact Arthur C Clarke had a tiny short story long ago about this - Dial F For Frankenstein - predicated on just old school analog networks. Asimov wrote about the Gaea concept in his Foundation series (not his original idea - was it Lovelock's? but I was only exposed to it through Asimov and the ancient game Sim Earth). SEL carries on in this tradition (but is a lot more cryptic! argh). To me, Lain represents a being emerging from such a neural network, in this case the Wired. There are strong suggestions she was "created", though, rather than some spontaneous or emergent feature of networks (c.f. the aliens, the scientists involved with them, their "disciples", the lab monitoring Lain, her surrogate "family"). Another big concept (not strictly sci-fi) is the nature of god and reality. SEL seems to offer the notion that reality is bigger than how we perceive it. If there were a god, how would it relate to us? Would god(s) perceive time in a linear way? If gods are omnipresent in time, how would we portray it? What's shown on screen is just a slice of the totality of Lain (the one in "reality", with the experimental family - we're never shown the story from the perspective of the other Lain who resides in the Wired). Lain might also just be an aspect of god (echoes of the trinity, father, son and holy spirit? Just who exactly is Lain's father? He seemed to play a role nurturing and setting up Lain for what happens, and seems to be aware of the grander design of things). If Lain stands in for Jesus, is she the human aspect of the omniscient omnipotent godhood? In the end, she sacrifices her existence to redeem humanity, right? SEL makes us wonder if we are just tiny beings ignorant of our true circumstances in a vast and mysterious universe. I loved the art style and sound track. It's full of "negative space". The constant humming seems to reflect Lain's mental state. She's not fully aware of what she is, like a newborn baby perhaps. The world is indecipherable to her. Information overload. The visuals are similarly, in some unique 'reverse noir" style, full of contrast, strong shadow and light, and the light often has an "overexposed" quality (in camera terms). Like computer screens, or numinous things - gods, halos, etc - they glow. Echoes again of the network-spawned infant Lain, eyes flooded by too much visual data? Other than the hum, and quiet, the music sometimes breaks into tribal percussion instruments, but only faintly - not quite sure what it means. And towards the end there is a long unbroken raw improvised solo guitar - chaotic and reflective of Lain's mental turmoil as she figures things out? The sparseness of elements (dialogue, soundtrack, visuals) makes the bits that do appear deliberate and significant: nothing is random. (The danger, though, is that we end up mining too deeply for meaning, above and beyond what the creators intended and imagined, perhaps.) I couldn't binge this series. It's not a cliffhanger, I need to find out what happens next, kind of show. It's unsettling and disturbing, and I felt the need to take a break often. There was too much to digest at each sitting. Intense stuff. I don't think I can say I enjoyed watching it as much as other series, but I really enjoyed thinking about it afterwards. I hope my perspective helps to shed a little more light on why so many people enjoyed SEL. Cheers and have a good evening ^_^ |
Jan 30, 6:28 PM
#200
Reply to cursed_viper
JackOfDeath said:
@cursed_viper I understand the entire plot and knew exactly where it was going. The plot wasn't confusing it was just bad. All the characters were boring soulless and useless with zero substance to them, lain as well is a boring and uninteresting mc, we know basically nothing before the wired except she was anxious and an introvert. The world was boring and had no build up, every episode just skipped ahead to see Lain go deeper and deeper into madness making it to where you didn't feel a connection to it since it was so rushed. Not to mention the entire premise was bad. If the only thing people can say about an anime to make it sound good is "the atmosphere" "the vibe" "the uniqueness" and etc, it's obvious not good. You are obviously just trying to say you like it to seem like you "understood" The bigger picture when in the end the bigger picture is just how lazy, boring and empty the world, characters and plot is. (Name 1 anime besides platinum end where the entire world and every character dies. Oh wait you can't, it's a 10 from boldness alone)
@cursed_viper I understand the entire plot and knew exactly where it was going. The plot wasn't confusing it was just bad. All the characters were boring soulless and useless with zero substance to them, lain as well is a boring and uninteresting mc, we know basically nothing before the wired except she was anxious and an introvert. The world was boring and had no build up, every episode just skipped ahead to see Lain go deeper and deeper into madness making it to where you didn't feel a connection to it since it was so rushed. Not to mention the entire premise was bad. If the only thing people can say about an anime to make it sound good is "the atmosphere" "the vibe" "the uniqueness" and etc, it's obvious not good. You are obviously just trying to say you like it to seem like you "understood" The bigger picture when in the end the bigger picture is just how lazy, boring and empty the world, characters and plot is. (Name 1 anime besides platinum end where the entire world and every character dies. Oh wait you can't, it's a 10 from boldness alone)
other than lain rest of the characters were boaring and soulless I agree with that, but they were not that much important for the story to begin with (except few) so I didn't really cared
But lain was very intresting character, I don't know what are you yapping about. Her character growth throughout the series was phenomenal.
And why didn't we no nothing about her before the whole wired thing?
that's because she didn't existed before that, she was created in wired. If you actually watched the show with your brain open you may have seen that
But I don't expect someone who can give Tokyo ghoul √A 10/10 to watch shows with their brain open
With all that said, you actually make a very good argument about why should someone give platinum end 10/10
yes I also should score it 10 because of the fact that everyone is killed in this show
as a result the pointless universe of platinum end dosnt exist any more
I still don't understand how can the writer of death note can write this nonsense
the kid said if he became god he would just kill himself, but the other idiots still made him God and what did he do when he became god?
oh that's right he killed himself
if you find that intresting and not lain's character then your iq is just lower than your dick size
at the end I just want to say, the whole argument about why you don't find serial experiments lain intresting and everyone else does can be answered in one sentence
everyone has different taste in anime
yours just happened to be an exceptionally bad one
| @cursed_viper garbage take😂 |
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