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| Confusing ending. Basically they could've skipped 23 episodes, or even 24 episodes and show us Albert overhearing strangers talk about Earth moving, thus inspiring him to think about the subject and write entire fiction about who sent the letter? This would've been better IMO if Rafal wasn't re-introduced in the story to intentually f things up. This could've been a much simple story dedicated to people whose achivements and names got lost in history due to unfortunate turn of events. Letter would be so much more special since the sacrifices of REAL characters wasn't pointless even though the book was lost and viewers assumed all was lost as well. Dunno. Good show but somewhat disappointed. |
| That was honestly a fantastic conclusion. I also love the Copernicus name drop. |
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| I also thought the priest was the other inquisitor (friend of the guy that let Jolenta escape) - but I did not bother trying to check for same/simlar voice or faces (looking in the previous episodes). I wonder if the "one has to offer" talking (coin to obtain bread and the question about the truth) is stuff the author of the manga invented or if this also was related to some real life existing stuff some historical person saind. 8/10. Solid 8. Would have been better to be more in depth on certain arcs - so I can't score higher. But well-made ... I did not believe with such short arcs it would be that entertaining. The two longer arcs obviously were the best - and I liked the bishop at the end in his older version. |
Qkydzaa said: I have no idea if the author intentionally made Draka insufferable, if they did - good job. Wait, what was your problem with Draka? That she was a touch arrogant or you perceived her as a bit of a thug or something? |
| Dry, awkward, preachy, needlessly gimmicky ending? Maybe... But it was also incredibly beautiful, thought-provoking, bold, inspiring and ultimately moving. It's too early to judge, but this might be an all-timer for me. Definitely deserves a spot in anime-of-the-decade conversations. |
| And so it's over....I'm glad that I took a break after episode 6, because of that I got to binge watch this anime in 2 days without having a week in between of waiting. Absolutely stellar anime. However I was not really a fan of the last 2 episodes with it's premise of a "what if" world. I mean I don't hate it per say, but it comes out of left field and is a bit jarring I would have preferred a ending where they fast forward far into the future where a young scholar learns about the history of the stars and planets and the people that discovered the foundations of it. All of the big names would be mentioned, and perhaps the person thinks about something along the lines of : All of these big names were so vital into knowing about the cosmos. However, while I find it inspiring, I somehow feel a sense of...how do I put it....loneliness?...that perhaps just like how it is with the universe. despite the amount of "know" that we understand, there's a a overwhelmingly amount of "not known" we are not privy to. Are these 15 or so names truly the culmination all of those years? Surely not....they say history is written by the victors, and to everything else is buried to time. Perhaps it's the same concept here? That all of those that came before and even after have succumbed to the ravages of time and cruel fate. ......no....its not perhaps, it's a certainty, but it's a certainty that can not be ascertained to that of history.....If that's the case then I must say to you all: Your contributions rather it be small, moderate, or huge, have lead humanity to where they are now. Your intrigue, your curiosity, and your knowledge has shaped humanity for the better. Your overcame struggles, you overcame walls, and your paths were surely filled with blood and tears. I do not know your faces, I do not know your names, and I certainty don't know what exactly you did to let those that did prevail in history to achieve greatness for others to witness. However....despite all of what I do not know, what I do know is that, your the reason why I'm looking at this clear night sky right now....and to that I must say: thank you.... and maybe have like spirits ( not real, but just showcasing imagery symbolism ) of all of our main characters being by the scholar and gazing at the night sky with him. Maybe my ending is lame too, I mean I just came up with it as I was typing lol, but it follows the core theme of passing on the torch to the future generations that this anime Cleary showcased. I'm sure there's a way better way of having an alternative ending than what I just imagined, but I just wanted to throw it out there *shrug* My stance with the last 2 episodes is a bit more on the "eh" side, and I believe Draka could have been done a lot better, I still believe this was an absolute journey of an anime, with such profound meaning. a 9/10 for me. Great fucking anime |
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| Eh... after 23 fantastic episodes, this ending felt little out of place. And also after the entire journey and painful deaths of many characters, it would be great if we seen the conclusion of knowledge properly reaching Copernicus rather than getting those time-skip messages at the end. Just one more episode instead of that and the ending would've been great as well. Like so instead of 10, I will settle for nine. |
| Eh... after 23 fantastic episodes, this ending felt little out of place. And also after the entire journey and painful deaths of many characters, it would be great if we seen the conclusion of knowledge properly reaching Copernicus rather than getting those time-skip messages at the end. Just one more episode instead of that and the ending would've been great as well. Like so instead of 10, I will settle for nine. |
| It was a good watch. 7/10 |
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| I very much like the messages in this series since they gave many different views so you can come to your own but it does feel not well thought out jumping from a story that didnt happen or happened in an alternate world to a historical figure and just loosely tying it together through a letter in a nonsensical way. Are we supposed to think this bird flew through dimensions? Where is the meaning of there being different worlds when the other one had a history not entirely unlike ours? It's not like one world is religion rule and ours science rule. It just feels like ending on such a low note when everything else has been very well written id say. It just feels so disjointed these last few eps from everything prior. |
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DoctorWasabi said: Maybe my ending is lame too, I mean I just came up with it as I was typing lol, but it follows the core theme of passing on the torch to the future generations that this anime Cleary showcased. I'm sure there's a way better way of having an alternative ending than what I just imagined, but I just wanted to throw it out there *shrug* It's always difficult to end a series or any form of story, especially because every single person watching (or reading) along the way has their own personal experience, interpretation, and way of relating to what they're taking in, and consciously or not gradually starts to accumulate certain hopes or expectations of the way they want the story to end and resolve, even if not articulated out loud or even fully formed in their own minds. So I don't know if there is any perfect ending, just as there may not be any perfect show. I know for a fact there isn't an ending which will satisfy everyone, but I don't know if there's a theoretical perfect ending. Even in series I'm very satisfied with the ending of and never thought of anything specific which definitively must be changed about them, in series that themselves overall I consider near to perfection, I still occasionally wonder "Could A, B, C - Z minor thing have been done differently to make it better?" And then once you start thinking like that you can revise it ad infinitum. The actual author only gets one shot once it's finalized (unless they release some future addendum retconning what they previously did, which are always controversial and never fully acknowledged or accepted by their whole audience). What I know is that in a series like this which for the vast majority of its episodes and runtime was played straight as a historical drama similar to something like, say, Vinland Saga, with no fourth wall-breaking meta imagery or substituting literal narrative for metaphorical storytelling, I would have preferred a more grounded and straightforward ending rather than them getting cheeky. And I ultimately ended up giving the series a 7/10, but prior to that I was seriously considering an 8/10 (and it wasn't even my favorite series from last season or in my personal Top 10 series of last year, but I enjoyed it, would like to see more historical series in in a similar vein, and the higher rating would be in deference to and recognition of its undeniable qualities). And while that rating may still seem on the low side to you who has given it a 9/10 or compared to the 9/10s and 10/10s of others, mind you, for context, I've only rated like three other series as high as an 8/10 out of 160 seen from the past five years +. What I also know, just from reading through it once, is that I would have preferred your ending to what they went with. |
WatchTillTandavaApr 3, 1:27 PM
| @WatchTillTandava oh I definitely understand that expectations and what people ultimately want at the end can varry. Reality is, the literal definition of masterpiece is not a reality in any sense. Perception is not a fixed variable. You put 100 people in a room, 100 of them will have different viewpoints about aspects about a medium, and how they deem is as "perfect" or "not perfect" I think the concept of perfection is very attractive to us, even to people that understand that its futile in a practical sense ( including me, and perhaps you as well ). It's that ever wonder of what ifs, and positive daydreaming of what could be that is so attractive to us. Everybody wants something that can transcend their past circumstances with media. If the pursuit of perfection was not followed, then there's a good chance that creativity, novelty, and drive for not only creators but also consumers, would be down at the abyss. Just like how the pinnacle 10/10 is varied, the other numbers on the scale are also special in their own way. So you rating orb a 7 despite my 9 isn't gonna surprise me. As for my ratings when it comes to 10's it's a matter of weighting the pros and cons on a simultaneously objective and subjective spectrum. I've given ten 10's after almost completing 1,050 anime. Out of those ten pieces, 6 are uniquely separated series. So just like you, I don't give the score out freely. I can look at every single 10 I have right now, and I can withouut a doubt tell you, none of them have reached what is the literal definition of masterpiece. However, what I deemed as good in those piece overwhelmingly makes whats bad about them rather trivial and nitpicking. As for Orb, like you said, the anime was clearly going for something, a historical drama, ( a stellar one at that ) and the sudden whiplash of an actual "what if" situation just came across as just jarring to me. It wasn't bad per say, as I can understand after thinking about it, that it does in its own way tie the whole experience together with its concept of unsung heroes. Even if it did have my ending or another "simple" ending, I still wouldn't rate this a 10 in my books, as I have personal gripes about how Schmitt and Draka were handled. Both of them have immensely interesting dialogue, foundations, and goals, but just the way both of them went out, and how their story came to a close, had me urked. However like you said, in a different light, people can see both of their demises as something that is relatable to that of the nature of the world, with that, not everybody is gonna have their grand closure. Orb is a special anime, and the various components of what makes a good anime across most people is met. While the pursuit of perfection is a noteworthy topic to take into consideration, it is apparent that this ending of this anime is clearly divisive, and is not the say of the few, but is of the many. I don't think I'm arrogant to say that if it had the ending you and I imagined it to be, it would be an even higher MAL score. I know MAL scores goes hand in hand with everything that I just preached, but it's still a good reference to look upon to draw inferences from. I don't think they are completely pointless like a lot of people think they are. Since at some point there is a clearly defined threshold of where some subjectivity and some objectivity meet parallel with one another |
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| yahh this is one of the greatest things i've ever watched. |
| 🌈 i just want gintama back |
| Really disappointed by the ending. Rafal is revived again. In the end they failed to move the Earth and just give text about Copernicus lol |
| Overall was quite a fun ride. But Rafal's appearance at the last episode is a bit confusing for me :| |
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| Kinda disappointing end ngl upto 23 episode 9/10, rest 8/10 |
Reply to FigardMB1
I literally don't understand why this MASTERPIECE is so underrated. It speaks a lot about human nature, the desire to seek the truth, the beauty of the world, God, philosophy and how much are some people willing to sacrifice just for the truth, the strongest out of all things. I think it also has a universal character, it will always be applicable to us, humans, and our deep desires and thought. It's so well written and the characters are doing a lot of action not through action itself, but through thinking, analyzing and talking. Absolutely spectacular show! Atleast to me, I guess many people disagree.
| I think the series is rather overrated. The series is like the portrayal within it. For most, it's irrelevant and boring, but for a few, it's special. I had to struggle through it for ages to finish, but in the end, I can't say it's a particularly interesting series. It just doesn't captivate me at all, which is why it took me ages to finish it. |
| I assume, most of you guys extremely eager to impressed by anything that you watch or read because in your personal life you don’t consume anything particularly profound. I see many people, this is the anime of the year or one of the best anime of all time, and it’s absolutely laughable. It is one of the best philosophical anime series for (since we don’t have many of them), but it has a subpar writing and very low production quality coupled with poorly designed plot structure (even though it had a great idea of dividing the story to different characters from separate generations). In the end, this is a good anime with well-thought philosophical themes and was certainly unique in its subject matter. The execution was unfortunately not very good and the final twist or alternative reflection of reality was badly handled. Badeni and Oczy’s story and their character development were the brightest point of the series and the end of their arc marked the peak of the show. Finally, in my opinion, Chi is a very good anime that deserves 8/10. Not everything needs to be <Peak - Mid - Trash> as you nerds think. |
FigardMB1 said: it will always be applicable to us, humans, and our deep desires and thought. Speak for yourself. I'm species non-conforming and identify as a marbled newt. |
| It's still a bit of a mystery how these two timelines are linked since the elements we saw previously have an impact in this world (like Draka's letter) but at the same time we're confronted with Rafal even though he died decades ago... anyway I really how the duality of both sides is presented especially to make us realize that no matter the quest for truth it doesn't change what Rafal could/had done for this matter compared to Nowak that was presented as the villain against them because nowadays we know that they were right but at that time no one was truly sure and Rafal proved he killed to reach that just like Nowak did as well since he was persuaded that he was right... I think it makes sense that despite all of these efforts it's Albert who managed to influence someone else (real Copernicus) to prove the theory to be real even though we saw so many characters sacrificing their lives to prove it by publishing this book and despite that goal being accomplished they all went forgotten compared to Albert and his student Copernicus, just like it was previously said in the story... this is also why this ending proved how well written as an antagonist Nowak was for the characters in our side, who knows if the same story will be told in the future for ideas we're currently fighting against thinking it's impossible... Overall that was one of the most interesting anime we've got recently for its story and philosophical aspect that mixes fiction and real life events especially for a subject that is really approached in anime (astronomy) in the 14/15th centuries. |
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| I've been in a really, really low mood recently and I also haven't been watching anime for months.. two weeks ago I saw 5-10 seconds of gigguk's video about this anime and immediatly stopped, closed it and then opened MAL and put it in my plan to watch. Yesterday i decided to binge it. My thoughts after completing Orb is that this is the type of anime that doesn't bore me to death like most do nowadays, it made me think and sparked my curiosity, just like what happened to the characters + it also helps that i'm into stargaizing and love history. At some time after ep 3 i started drawing during the op & ed because i liked the songs and didn't want to skip, after a few episodes i finished(not really) what i thought encapsulated the entire anime to me without needing to explain much I still don't quite undertand what was Rafal's deal in the last episodes, but it staying unexplained makes me think the author wants us to use our imagination to arrive to our own answers and i feel that fits well with the story. |
ayumiisApr 17, 11:56 AM
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| So let me get this straight, Rafal somehow escaped his own execution, grew up, started a new life, then mercilessly killed a guy and vanished without a trace again? ???????? Apart from this one inconsistency, the ending itself was truly tear-jerking, especially when it showed all previous "torch bearers". |
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So let me get this straight, Rafal somehow escaped his own execution, grew up, started a new life, then mercilessly killed a guy and vanished without a trace again?
????????
Apart from this one inconsistency, the ending itself was truly tear-jerking, especially when it showed all previous "torch bearers".
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Apart from this one inconsistency, the ending itself was truly tear-jerking, especially when it showed all previous "torch bearers".
MiamoreCash said: You should check out this forum to understand the ending. https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2206328So let me get this straight, Rafal somehow escaped his own execution, grew up, started a new life, then mercilessly killed a guy and vanished without a trace again? |
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