LanMisa said: Tainted said: I would hardclaim scum as a joke but I might get lynched Did you try softing scum instead? **Vote:LanMisa** |
I think you might not be familiar with the term gaslighting in it's full extent. Anyways, it's quite bad vocabulary for a game of mafia that should be about having fun. |
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LanMisa said: I think you might not be familiar with the term gaslighting in it's full extent. Anyways, it's quite bad vocabulary for a game of mafia that should be about having fun. hard disagree on not using the correct terminology where it's applicable it's a game about manipulation gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning what they believe there's not really a more apt terminology |
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Marluxion said: LanMisa said: I think you might not be familiar with the term gaslighting in it's full extent. Anyways, it's quite bad vocabulary for a game of mafia that should be about having fun. hard disagree on not using the correct terminology where it's applicable it's a game about manipulation gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning what they believe there's not really a more apt terminology God, I did not remember you being this.... inflexible, to not use a different term, when I played with you in one of my earlier MU games. It should be obvious from context that I don't try to manipulate her mind in any kind of way but that I rather question this being a serious read and a serious vote on me. Also, to get a reaction out of her if she really meant it serious after all. If you really claim that me doubting her vote on me as serious is similar to... actual gaslighting, like it happens in toxic relationships a lot all over the world and that leads to REAL tragedies, then... this is going to be a rather unfun game for both of us. |
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LanMisa said: Marluxion said: hard disagree on not using the correct terminology where it's applicable it's a game about manipulation gaslighting is manipulating someone into questioning what they believe there's not really a more apt terminology God, I did not remember you being this.... inflexible, to not use a different term, when I played with you in one of my earlier MU games. It should be obvious from context that I don't try to manipulate her mind in any kind of way but that I rather question this being a serious read and a serious vote on me. Also, to get a reaction out of her if she really meant it serious after all. If you really claim that me doubting her vote on me as serious is similar to... actual gaslighting, like it happens in toxic relationships a lot all over the world and that leads to REAL tragedies, then... this is going to be a rather unfun game for both of us. Why would i stop using correct terminology just because the word can have a more harsh meaning elsewhere? Just because it happens in toxic relationships doesn't mean that's the only correct usage of the word https://i.imgur.com/hdpdRLq.png You going to ask me to stop calling them night "Kills" too? because killing people is way worse than gas lighting them also yes i'm accusing you of being mafia that is correct |
| I think he's going for a spam approach as scum. Low percent certainty though. I had quoted one of Tainted's posts as town, saw something of his a little later that made me think otherwise, but I still got ~town vibes (as unreliable as they may be this early on) from the others who posted, or they were not very scummy/nothing said felt terribly AI given meta. Leading me to jump on someone else (if those who've posted so far felt like not-scum, then chances are someone I'm voting will be.) And I'm aware Geyde had posted, but "heck" is worse than anything else said so far. I honestly hardly recall why I labeled those players as town, but maybe because their humor felt slightly townie (there CAN be a difference between scum and town humor, from what I've seen.) |
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| 1 scum in LanMisa and Marluxion is my guess so far. I think Marl is grasping at straws currently. But I'm also going to observe LanMisa, since a game with them recently ended where they were obvious town but I was blind to it due to different playstyle. |
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RE said: 1 scum in LanMisa and Marluxion is my guess so far. I think Marl is grasping at straws currently. But I'm also going to observe LanMisa, since a game with them recently ended where they were obvious town but I was blind to it due to different playstyle. aaaand you've already missed you got the lanmisa part right tho |
RE said: 1 scum in LanMisa and Marluxion is my guess so far. I think Marl is grasping at straws currently. But I'm also going to observe LanMisa, since a game with them recently ended where they were obvious town but I was blind to it due to different playstyle. Works for me. vote: Marluxion |
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Marluxion said: If you are town, then I would have missed from the moment I voted, no?RE said: 1 scum in LanMisa and Marluxion is my guess so far. I think Marl is grasping at straws currently. But I'm also going to observe LanMisa, since a game with them recently ended where they were obvious town but I was blind to it due to different playstyle. aaaand you've already missed you got the lanmisa part right tho What changed? |
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RE said: I think he's going for a spam approach as scum. Low percent certainty though. I had quoted one of Tainted's posts as town, saw something of his a little later that made me think otherwise, but I still got ~town vibes (as unreliable as they may be this early on) from the others who posted, or they were not very scummy/nothing said felt terribly AI given meta. Leading me to jump on someone else (if those who've posted so far felt like not-scum, then chances are someone I'm voting will be.) And I'm aware Geyde had posted, but "heck" is worse than anything else said so far. I honestly hardly recall why I labeled those players as town, but maybe because their humor felt slightly townie (there CAN be a difference between scum and town humor, from what I've seen.) How is 'Heck' worse than anything posted so far? are we reading the same thread? |
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LanMisa said: RE said: 1 scum in LanMisa and Marluxion is my guess so far. I think Marl is grasping at straws currently. But I'm also going to observe LanMisa, since a game with them recently ended where they were obvious town but I was blind to it due to different playstyle. Works for me. vote: Marluxion ah my refusal to adhere to your overly sensitive vocabulary regulations is an indication of my alignment now? also if you weren't trying to manipulate tainted into removing their vote what was the purpose of your post earlier? |
| yurkin and Karote voting each other and not doing much else is NAI, they do this almost every game. "Heck" is worse than what's been posted so far because they didn't bother to stick around to say more. Could easily still be town based on what they may have to say later, but it is categorically worse than what I saw in the thread.Are you suggesting there'd be adequate reasoning to scumreading you, even if you are town? I'm not following. |
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Marluxion said: LanMisa said: God, I did not remember you being this.... inflexible, to not use a different term, when I played with you in one of my earlier MU games. It should be obvious from context that I don't try to manipulate her mind in any kind of way but that I rather question this being a serious read and a serious vote on me. Also, to get a reaction out of her if she really meant it serious after all. If you really claim that me doubting her vote on me as serious is similar to... actual gaslighting, like it happens in toxic relationships a lot all over the world and that leads to REAL tragedies, then... this is going to be a rather unfun game for both of us. Why would i stop using correct terminology just because the word can have a more harsh meaning elsewhere? Just because it happens in toxic relationships doesn't mean that's the only correct usage of the word https://i.imgur.com/hdpdRLq.png You going to ask me to stop calling them night "Kills" too? because killing people is way worse than gas lighting them also yes i'm accusing you of being mafia that is correct If you REALLY think that going around calling people Gaslighters is okay, then I have a word for you. Gaslighting is a term used for people maliciously fucking with other people's mind, contorting their memories, making them question their own sanity. It's basically mind control. All I did was claim that something Shattiel did was not serious, but a joke. I CLAIMED it. I didn't try to MANIPULATE THEM into believing what they did was something else. This is NO MINDCONTROL. This is playing Mafia. |
RE said: yurkin and Karote voting each other and not doing much else is NAI, they do this almost every game. "Heck" is worse than what's been posted so far because they didn't bother to stick around to say more. Could easily still be town based on what they may have to say later, but it is categorically worse than what I saw in the thread.Are you suggesting there'd be adequate reasoning to scumreading you, even if you are town? I'm not following. Are you suggesting town can't be scumread? In what perfect universe are you living in where your reads are always correct? also i wasn't referring to the random voting stage nonsense happening want to see my spicy take on the worst post in the thread so far |
LanMisa said: Marluxion said: Why would i stop using correct terminology just because the word can have a more harsh meaning elsewhere? Just because it happens in toxic relationships doesn't mean that's the only correct usage of the word https://i.imgur.com/hdpdRLq.png You going to ask me to stop calling them night "Kills" too? because killing people is way worse than gas lighting them also yes i'm accusing you of being mafia that is correct If you REALLY think that going around calling people Gaslighters is okay, then I have a word for you. Gaslighting is a term used for people maliciously fucking with other people's mind, contorting their memories, making them question their own sanity. It's basically mind control. All I did was claim that something Shattiel did was not serious, but a joke. I CLAIMED it. I didn't try to MANIPULATE THEM into believing what they did was something else. This is NO MINDCONTROL. This is playing Mafia. And Kill is a term used for maliciously taking another person's life which is objectively worse and yet we use it in a game context all the time |
Marluxion said: ah my refusal to adhere to your overly sensitive vocabulary regulations is an indication of my alignment now? also if you weren't trying to manipulate tainted into removing their vote what was the purpose of your post earlier? Calling me a gasligher is an attack on my whole person, my values and everything that I stand for. I will not tolerate such behaviour. You are overstepping several boundaries here. As I stated before I wanted to gauge Shattiel's reaction to my claim. I have a meta read on them that I wanted to test out. All things that you could have asked me about before insulting me. |
Marluxion said: Not at all. However, I voted you. It should have been obvious that my vote was not an RVS, as I had already voted twice before landing on you. Therefore, there was a reason to my vote based on what you had posted. In response to my vote, you wavered on whether it was a hit or miss. In response to my reasoning, you called it a miss.Are you suggesting town can't be scumread? In what perfect universe are you living in where your reads are always correct? also i wasn't referring to the random voting stage nonsense happening want to see my spicy take on the worst post in the thread so far So again. What changed? Why is my reasoning a "miss," if it's not because in this hypothetical, you are town? |
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| also just because it can mean one thing doesn't mean it has to always mean it in that context it's just another term for manipulating someone into believing something they do not also the gaslighting post wasn't even the reason i voted you initially |
RE said: Marluxion said: Not at all. However, I voted you. It should have been obvious that my vote was not an RVS, as I had already voted twice before landing on you. Therefore, there was a reason to my vote based on what you had posted. In response to my vote, you wavered on whether it was a hit or miss. In response to my reasoning, you called it a miss.Are you suggesting town can't be scumread? In what perfect universe are you living in where your reads are always correct? also i wasn't referring to the random voting stage nonsense happening want to see my spicy take on the worst post in the thread so far So again. What changed? Why is my reasoning a "miss," if it's not because in this hypothetical, you are town? because if i called that a miss i wouldn't get to use my lame one liner first also rvs usually lasts the entirety of d1 where i come from it doesn't end after the first two votes or whatever |
Votecount 1.1 01001001 00100111 01101101 00100000 01100001 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101101 01110000 01110101 01110100 01100101 01110010 00101110 LanMisa (2) - Tainted, Marluxion Marluxion (2) - RE, LanMisa Karote (1) - yurkin Kiana_Kaslana (1) - Kit Tainted (1) - Kiana_Kaslana Wary_Wolf (1) - LucianRoy yurkin (1) - Karote Not voting: DenjaX, Dude_Mike, ForgotToFlush, Geyde, Kiiruma, Phraze, Wary_Wolf If 11 or more players message saying they want majority during the day in addition to plurality at end of day, I'll add it in. Deadline is still 4 AM EST on Thursday, April 4th, with a 0-12 hour Twilight phase. Keep it civil. Try to be understanding. People are from different communities, terms have different weight be it more or less than what one might expect. @DenjaX @Dude_Mike @ForgotToFlush @Geyde @Karote @Kiana_Kaslana @Kiiruma @Kit @LanMisa @LucianRoy @Marluxion @Phraze @RE @Tainted @yurkin |
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Marluxion said: It's used in numerous other contexts.And Kill is a term used for maliciously taking another person's life which is objectively worse and yet we use it in a game context all the time A second meaning to it, copy&pasted, is: "put an end to or cause the failure or defeat of (something)." Cannot be compared to gaslighting, which has one meaning. |
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RE said: Marluxion said: It's used in numerous other contexts.And Kill is a term used for maliciously taking another person's life which is objectively worse and yet we use it in a game context all the time A second meaning to it, copy&pasted, is: "put an end to or cause the failure or defeat of (something)." Cannot be compared to gaslighting, which has one meaning. It has one meaning but can be used in multiple contexts including a game related context especially a game based around social deduction and manipulation |
Marluxion said: Well, I've seen you play on MU before, where RVS certainly does not last the entirety of day 1.because if i called that a miss i wouldn't get to use my lame one liner first also rvs usually lasts the entirety of d1 where i come from it doesn't end after the first two votes or whatever Your own vote doesn't appear to be RVS. Though I think this convo has been exhausted of any game-specific topics? Shall wait to see what others have to say. |
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RE said: Marluxion said: Well, I've seen you play on MU before, where RVS certainly does not last the entirety of day 1.because if i called that a miss i wouldn't get to use my lame one liner first also rvs usually lasts the entirety of d1 where i come from it doesn't end after the first two votes or whatever Your own vote doesn't appear to be RVS. Though I think this convo has been exhausted of any game-specific topics? Shall wait to see what others have to say. Wait you've seen me play on MU? Who are you on MU out of curiosity? or just seen that i've played on the site in general? and yes my vote isn't rvs, LanMisa is mafia i was just making a point that you can't assume rvs has ended after only two votes |
Marluxion said: The extent of manipulation in mafia does not qualify as gaslighting.RE said: It's used in numerous other contexts. A second meaning to it, copy&pasted, is: "put an end to or cause the failure or defeat of (something)." Cannot be compared to gaslighting, which has one meaning. It has one meaning but can be used in multiple contexts including a game related context especially a game based around social deduction and manipulation I've seen the term thrown around a lot in mafia. Best thing to do, now that someone has already expressed discomfort in it being used, is to stop using it and back off. If your case is truly solid, you'd not need to use the term to back it up. |
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Marluxion said: also just because it can mean one thing doesn't mean it has to always mean it in that context it's just another term for manipulating someone into believing something they do not also the gaslighting post wasn't even the reason i voted you initially I don't care why you vote me. I care what you call me. |
Marluxion said: Last year, Greek Mythology mafia. LanMisa and I were in that game as mafia, you were town.RE said: Well, I've seen you play on MU before, where RVS certainly does not last the entirety of day 1. Your own vote doesn't appear to be RVS. Though I think this convo has been exhausted of any game-specific topics? Shall wait to see what others have to say. Wait you've seen me play on MU? Who are you on MU out of curiosity? or just seen that i've played on the site in general? and yes my vote isn't rvs, LanMisa is mafia i was just making a point that you can't assume rvs has ended after only two votes I am RE1031 there. |
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RE said: Marluxion said: The extent of manipulation in mafia does not qualify as gaslighting.It has one meaning but can be used in multiple contexts including a game related context especially a game based around social deduction and manipulation I've seen the term thrown around a lot in mafia. Best thing to do, now that someone has already expressed discomfort in it being used, is to stop using it and back off. If your case is truly solid, you'd not need to use the term to back it up. wow some actually good logic and a fair point i'll take your advice albeit i was planning to push it a little farther to see if i could get a good reaction out of LM you can be a townread for now |
RE said: Marluxion said: Last year, Greek Mythology mafia. LanMisa and I were in that game as mafia, you were town.Wait you've seen me play on MU? Who are you on MU out of curiosity? or just seen that i've played on the site in general? and yes my vote isn't rvs, LanMisa is mafia i was just making a point that you can't assume rvs has ended after only two votes I am RE1031 there. oh god i have absolutely no memory of this game |
Marluxion said: RE said: Well, I've seen you play on MU before, where RVS certainly does not last the entirety of day 1. Your own vote doesn't appear to be RVS. Though I think this convo has been exhausted of any game-specific topics? Shall wait to see what others have to say. Wait you've seen me play on MU? Who are you on MU out of curiosity? or just seen that i've played on the site in general? and yes my vote isn't rvs, LanMisa is mafia i was just making a point that you can't assume rvs has ended after only two votes Blood of Bahamut. If that wasn't the case I'd outright call you a Prada alt right here, right now. |
Marluxion said: I have weird memory when it comes to mafia :pRE said: Last year, Greek Mythology mafia. LanMisa and I were in that game as mafia, you were town. I am RE1031 there. oh god i have absolutely no memory of this game |
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RE said: I have weird memory when it comes to mafia :p did i die early or something i usually remember all the games i play in unless i die super early |
Marluxion said: Vote: Marluxion RE said: I think he's going for a spam approach as scum. Low percent certainty though. I had quoted one of Tainted's posts as town, saw something of his a little later that made me think otherwise, but I still got ~town vibes (as unreliable as they may be this early on) from the others who posted, or they were not very scummy/nothing said felt terribly AI given meta. Leading me to jump on someone else (if those who've posted so far felt like not-scum, then chances are someone I'm voting will be.) And I'm aware Geyde had posted, but "heck" is worse than anything else said so far. I honestly hardly recall why I labeled those players as town, but maybe because their humor felt slightly townie (there CAN be a difference between scum and town humor, from what I've seen.) How is 'Heck' worse than anything posted so far? are we reading the same thread? |
| I have rarely ever felt so tilted in a mafia game that fast before. RE is town. Moving on to others. |
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Marluxion said: Story time!RE said: I have weird memory when it comes to mafia :p did i die early or something i usually remember all the games i play in unless i die super early It was my first game as mafia on MU. A splendid thing, because it means no one knows your wolf meta. Day 1, our buddy Batman is about to be lynched for going for the TWTBAW route. Shit happens, Amadeus gets lynched, and he actually leaves a n0 check on me. That's how good we were doing. Day 2, not terrible, the lynch is sealed due to a gambit gone wrong. But as it turns out, LanMisa got checked by the cop. Day 3, this is where we fucked up. Night 2, really. Night 2, we roleblock the gunslinger who was going to give one of our buddies, Four, a gun. Night 2, we kill YOU, when you would have been the target for a shot by the IC, who was given a gun Night 1. I'll stop there. That's where you die. Shot by the IC with a gun and by mafia thinking you were the vig. |
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