| I think it's doing okay. It has a sufficiently large amount of total users and scores to not even consider it obscure by any means (at least within MAL) and I see it as a favorite plenty of times. I remember watching it not too over a month after creating my account, so it was definitely something easy to find. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: I have clearly responded to other's thoughts and opinions with my own as i have seen fit. Considering that this is your 3rd comment on this thread having to do nothing with the topic, creating zero discussion yourself, and seeming to care so much about what i am not saying, i am starting to question your sanityIf you really care about this discussion then prove it and reflect upon what the other primates say on this topic. And let them know it, so there is just some sort of dialogue that might move the mindset just somewhere. |
TheKawaiiToon said: i would absolutely love to expose more people to these shows yes, and i completely understand that they are not for everyone First Ping Pong now this? All I can say is watch whatever you like. As for my opinion on this. I have none, since I haven't seen it and neither I will plan to do so. Mainly since cyberpunk isn't my cup of tea. |
Unowen said: i personally do not feel that it's popularity on mal reflect the amount of value that it holds as an artistic piece whatsoever, but that is obviously a personal dilemma and there are plenty of other shows which share the same fate I think it's doing okay. It has a sufficiently large amount of total users and scores to not even consider it obscure by any means (at least within MAL) and I see it as a favorite plenty of times. I remember watching it not too over a month after creating my account, so it was definitely something easy to find. |
| @N1eR That was a really entertaining post. You do not like Vagabond, okay, and Shinji too, no offense taken. I hate fanservice by the way (especially sexual fanservice) and yes I love Action but I also can appreciate some dramatic elements. I never tried to be objective it's all just my preferences. If you want to see me as a stupid person with shit-taste well you're allowed to do so. |
MySweetLuciferJan 23, 2020 12:31 PM
Shutos said: Well you're the one making the correlation in the first place by introducing the idea of whether it deserves to have more attention or not. Which is the same of being more popular, so using MAL as a reference is perfectly fine since it's the most sizable sample we have at hand, and I think Texhnolyze is a fairly popular show that gets recommended quite often to any person looking for a more sober and gritty series. Unowen said: i personally do not feel that its popularity on mal reflect the amount of value that it holds as an artistic piece whatsoever, but that is obviously a personal dilemma I think it's doing okay. It has a sufficiently large amount of total users and scores to not even consider it obscure by any means (at least within MAL) and I see it as a favorite plenty of times. I remember watching it not too over a month after creating my account, so it was definitely something easy to find. |
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Unowen said: yes as the best platform for me to discuss and do that is on mal, but i am not strictly binding my opinions to this website. and cool, i do Not feel that its status or numbers on mal accurately reflect the artistic value i believe the show holds, which is not the point of this post, but the point you keep bringing up, nor do i feel i ever hear this show get talked about outside of malShutos said: Well you're the one making the correlation in the first place by introducing the idea of whether it deserves to have more attention or not. Which is the same of being more popular, so using MAL as a reference is perfectly fine since it's the most sizable sample we have at hand, and I think Texhnolyze is a fairly popular show that gets recommended quite often to any person looking for a more sober and gritty series. i personally do not feel that its popularity on mal reflect the amount of value that it holds as an artistic piece whatsoever, but that is obviously a personal dilemma |
rexisdeadJan 23, 2020 12:39 PM
Konakana said: in certain circles yeah definitely, and i understand it is niche but the whole point of this post, for me anyways, is to potentially expose people to those kinds of things that they wouldn't attempt to explore themselves, while having some interesting discussion on the topic for anyone to agree or disagree withYou can go ahead and push for it if you really like, but Texhnolyze is far from obscure and by now has quite a dedicated following that has grown over the years even despite its niche appeal. |
| I couldn't stand the show.... soooo boring. So i wouldnt recommend anyone see it unless they normally like boring shows. |
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ComboSmooth said: it is a very slow paced show that punishes you if you are not expecting that, i would say try approaching the show again with a different mindset sometime, as it is very entertaining and fulfilling in its entirety I couldn't stand the show.... soooo boring. So i wouldnt recommend anyone see it unless they normally like boring shows. |
Shutos said: I don't think there's a relation between popularity and quality or artistic value. I never talked about the artistic value of the show in my 2 comments, I was specifically referring to what you said in your original post about its popularity and the question of whether Should more people watch Texhnolyze?. If you don't care about its popularity on MAL or elsewhere then why even creating this thread. Unowen said: yes as the best platform for me to discuss and do that is on mal, but i am not strictly binding my opinions to this website. and cool, i do Not feel that its status or numbers on mal accurately reflect the artistic value i believe the show holds, which is not the point of this post, but the point you keep bringing up, nor do i feel i ever hear this show get talked about outside of malWell you're the one making the correlation in the first place by introducing the idea of whether it deserves to have more attention or not. Which is the same of being more popular, so using MAL as a reference is perfectly fine since it's the most sizable sample we have at hand, and I think Texhnolyze is a fairly popular show that gets recommended quite often to any person looking for a more sober and gritty series. |
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Unowen said: i am describing the relation of the shows numbers on mal to its artistic quality in a hyperbolic way. and i care about potentially exposing more people to this show regardless of place or platform. this conversation is pointless in regards to the thread though, and you have not once provided any kind of actual discussion regarding my post, your only comments have been about how its popularity on mal is decent and mentioning once how people recommend it to people looking for something somber and gritty. neither of these statements begin to describe how much more exposed i wish texhnolyze was among a wider span of anime fans, which you are free to agree or disagree with, but you have done neither, other than, once again, pointing out its numbers on mal are''okay"Shutos said: I don't think there's a relation between popularity and quality or artistic value. I never talked about the artistic value of the show in my 2 comments, I was specifically referring to what you said in your original post about its popularity and the question of whether Should more people watch Texhnolyze?. If you don't care about its popularity on MAL or elsewhere then why even creating this thread. yes as the best platform for me to discuss and do that is on mal, but i am not strictly binding my opinions to this website. and cool, i do Not feel that its status or numbers on mal accurately reflect the artistic value i believe the show holds, which is not the point of this post, but the point you keep bringing up, nor do i feel i ever hear this show get talked about outside of mal |
rexisdeadJan 23, 2020 1:46 PM
Shutos said: Perfect, so my point remains. You asked about our opinion on whether we agree on caring about potentially exposing more people to this show and I think it's doing fine. If you ask for others' opinions to simply discredit them and not even bother with a proper reply then don't create a thread in a forum. This looks to me more like an attempt of a blog post where only your specific vision can be shared, it's silly.and i care about potentially exposing more people to this show regardless of place or platform. can we please end this pointless conversation Also work a bit on reading comprehension, if you can't make sense out of a short conversation like this I don't think you should be worrying about Texhnolyze... |
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Unowen said: Shutos said: Perfect, so my point remains. You asked about our opinion on whether we agree on caring about potentially exposing more people to this show and I think it's doing fine. If you ask for others' opinions to simply discredit them and not even bother with a proper reply then don't create a thread in a forum. This looks to me more like an attempt of a blog post where only your specific vision can be shared, it's silly.and i care about potentially exposing more people to this show regardless of place or platform. can we please end this pointless conversation Also work a bit on reading comprehension, if you can't make sense of a short conversation like this I don't think you should be worrying about Texhnolyze... Unowen said: i think youre the one who needs to work on understanding how to have a discussion in an anime thread. i asked "should more people watch texhnolyze" your ambiguous response of "its doing okay" does nothing to provide discussion, or any meaningful thought to the thread, nor are you even beginning to attempt to engage in a half decent conversation about the show, its qualities, or going into detail about the thread in general. so you know you're right, it was my fault for expecting half decent conversation out of someone who isn't able to partake in a 2 sided discussion, as i have had with multiple others in this thread. rather, when i did respond to your ambiguity, you decided to point out minute details in my post, that are not relevant to enjoyable entertaining discussion. Shutos said: Perfect, so my point remains. You asked about our opinion on whether we agree on caring about potentially exposing more people to this show and I think it's doing fine. If you ask for others' opinions to simply discredit them and not even bother with a proper reply then don't create a thread in a forum. This looks to me more like an attempt of a blog post where only your specific vision can be shared, it's silly.and i care about potentially exposing more people to this show regardless of place or platform. can we please end this pointless conversation Also work a bit on reading comprehension, if you can't make sense of a short conversation like this I don't think you should be worrying about Texhnolyze... edit- honestly after re-reading all of our comments, i believe we are just on two separate pages regarding how we feel about this discussion, and i feel you misunderstand my purpose of this thread, and i wasnt interested in what you were saying because it conflicted with what i was actually wanting to talk about. all i care about is discussing what about the show makes someone passionate enough to advocate for or against it, i dont care about its actual popularity or numbers, and didnt mean to imply so, i just want to talk about details of the show that make people enjoy or dislike it and potentially expose people to those things |
rexisdeadJan 23, 2020 2:47 PM
| I don't think so, it's a weird show for people with specific taste. |
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RealMTL said: yeah i definitely don't think that everyone would benefit from watching itI don't think so, it's a weird show for people with specific taste. |
BabyBitchRat said: i understand, mind if i ask what cyberpunk/psych thriller shows you're a fan of?I tried to watch it once because I like cyberpunk and psychological thrillers, but it was just too much for me. It triggered some really nasty intrusive thoughts. |
| short answer, yes. Though, I wouldn't recommend it for people who just want to turn their brain off or watch fast-paced shounens. I think it's an amazing series, but it's slow paced and thought provoking. It can also get quite depressing ;u;. Some people can't handle that. I also think it's something for a more experienced viewer(of anime or edgy stuff) |
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juiccbox said: honestly, it can definitely be confusing, but if you pay attention and know what youre getting into im sure you'll be fine, personally for me after a re watch is when i truly 100% understood everything that i missed the first time I’ve considered watching it actually, and this thread is givin me a good insight to it. Is it like serial experiments Lain where it’s just completely confusing at first or is it just slow? I’d definitely be in for the ride of whatever this show has to offer though, once I finish off some priority anime right now |
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| Texhnolyze was an experience to say the least. Should more people give it a try ? Yes! But the show is still very obscure and many people will just end up dropping it. Its definitely not for everyone . |
| Doc is best character. Ichise is second best. Yoshii is creepy. Toyama did gay sex with Ichise and spoke while beheaded just watched it by the third time earlier this month so this thread revived me even though i barely watch anime anymore texh holds a perfectly fine spot here on MAL. I'm pretty sure everyone that spends time enough lurking around the forums or random profiles recognizes it as that very underground cult show and it's practically mandatory for some type of users. Outside MAL i've never even heard anyone talking about it, and i'm not really sure about the impossibility of gaining more popularity since Lain is pretty huge and they're like cousins. But then again Texhnoylze is twice as long and slower and really it's quite hard to recommend it when Konaka himself does a very good job of scaring any casual viewing... on purpose. What with all the exaggeration and weird for the sake of weird fans of these shows can be kinda obnoxious too when praising it. so nihilistic. so deep. and so on so on @MySweetLucifer Lain and GiTS are soo vastly different than Texhnolyze tho, especially GiTS @N1eR Shinji is a very sweet boy. NGE TV series' ending is indeed a happy one, congratulations y'know? EoE put a melancholic twist on it but all the sequence before the very final scene (real world + shinji's mom + kaworu and rei) spells hope for a harsh world. But i'm not trashing a fellow Utena fan (and boy do i love this show) @petran79 there's a 7GB (or so) torrent on Nyaa and that's probably the best version you can get @juiccbox it's made to be very unfriendly at first, especially the first episode. it tones down afterwards but from time to time there'll be something bizarre going on (just like Lain) because Chiaki Konaka gets off to being weird |
llorandoJan 23, 2020 9:21 PM
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| More and more what I'm finding, considering there are so many anime series out there including very novel, creative, and niche stories you would have never dreamed of before, a lot of these series serve as a jumping off point, and to get more out of them, you have to have the active knowledge and/or interest in the concepts and themes they explore, or have life experiences colored by them or something related. Not that this is an absolute rule and there aren't exceptions, but it certainly helps. It helps if someone has a steady working knowledge of and interest in the philosophy around consciousness and transhumanism and is a cyberpunk enthusiast if they're going to be someone that really loves Ghost in the Shell, for instance. I believe you can take this and apply it to every anime, with the criteria becoming more and more exclusionary the more detailed, obscure, idiosyncratic, and niche the anime and the topics it incorporates is. Whether that be Sci-Fi or Historical or even certain romance series. Some people will see an unparalleled marvel and work of art not matched across thousands of entries in any medium. Others will find it boring for slow pacing, too loaded with exposition, confusing, or what's rapidly become among my least favorite words in modern review terminology: Pretentious. I have a list of strong feelings about two series it's often compared to or recommended alongside, and those are Lain and Ergo Proxy, both of which are in my top ten. For some reason that's difficult to place however, I've put off Texhnolyze for a while and harbor a suspicion it might not hold as much appeal to me. That is because of everything I've read/heard about the style in terms of lack of dialogue and the more abstract way the story is told. Lain is also extremely slow (I think in a good way; I love slow when it has actual purpose and builds toward something remarkable - if I feel I'm going to be interested in what it's addressing, then my attention span is infinite and even obsessive), sparse in dialogue especially in the first few episodes, and rather abstract or avant-garde for either the time or even now in its narrative style and imagery, but at nearly double the length and with more of a mixed legacy in terms of Texhnolyze's ending and how fulfilling it was, I've hesitated thinking it will be a very immersive unique world-type show which demands a lot of mental focus yet won't have adequate resolution. |
WatchTillTandavaJan 23, 2020 11:42 PM
| I've been saying that i want to watch this for a year now... I guess the time has come ^-^ |
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| weird how popular this topic is, lmao. i would say watch it...but the average anime watcher isn't going to like it, and that's reflected in the rating of the show. most people are going to be turned off by the first episode. i'd say only watch texhnolyze AFTER you've watched (and finished) at least 3 of the following:
if you didn't enjoy any of the 4 you watched, i wouldn't bother watching texhnolyze, it's one of the hardest anime i've ever watched, but it's very worth it. i watched it over a decade ago when i was first getting into anime, after watching a couple of sci-fi anime and psychological anime (notably akira and lain). i thought i would put my big boy pants on and watch this so called mindfuck show that is more mindfuck than lain. i was not prepared. i've since rewatched it several times and it went over much better, mostly because i wasn't an an anime greenie anymore and i was older. this show has the greatest anime soundtrack of all time IMO. also don't watch the dub, it butchers the script. lastly, |
loghneckbeardJan 24, 2020 1:51 AM
infinite_xzz said: Texhnolyze was an experience to say the least. Should more people give it a try ? Yes! But the show is still very obscure and many people will just end up dropping it. Its definitely not for everyone . I'd say that this show is definitely not for anyone. This was made to be the less entertaining anime ever created and it worked. I felt the show was constantly trying to punish me for existing. Definitely not a pleasing experience, yet I genuinely enjoyed it as an art form. But yeah... people putting this show in their favourite really make me rise an eyebrow. What are they thinking? |
Hrybami said: i would say the only way for me to explain it, is that one, i do not find it boring, especially on my second watch, i was completely engrossed the entire time and i truly love how the world and story are built. but it comes down to how i relate to the characters. Ichise and Eriko are two of my most beloved characters of all time, and to put it in more personal terms, watching texhnolyze, and relating to the characters, gives me a very human experience, i feel that i relate closely to their struggle of trying to live and be human in a world where that is vastly fleeting. thats basically just a personal answer as to why its one of my favorite anime of all time.infinite_xzz said: Texhnolyze was an experience to say the least. Should more people give it a try ? Yes! But the show is still very obscure and many people will just end up dropping it. Its definitely not for everyone . I'd say that this show is definitely not for anyone. This was made to be the less entertaining anime ever created and it worked. I felt the show was constantly trying to punish me for existing. Definitely not a pleasing experience, yet I genuinely enjoyed it as an art form. But yeah... people putting this show in their favourite really make me rise an eyebrow. What are they thinking? |
Diyeeshe said: i really do not know where all of the eva comparisons are coming from either, ive responded to some for the sake of conversationI watched 3 episodes and it was too boring and I'm not really into depressing shows anyways. I have no clue why everyone is comparing Eva to Texhnolyze, Eva was much more fun to watch. |
Tyestor said: i have no idea why it is either lol and your spoiler makes me happy weird how popular this topic is, lmao. i would say watch it...but the average anime watcher isn't going to like it, and that's reflected in the rating of the show. most people are going to be turned off by the first episode. i'd say only watch texhnolyze AFTER you've watched (and finished) at least 3 of the following:
if you didn't enjoy any of the 4 you watched, i wouldn't bother watching texhnolyze, it's one of the hardest anime i've ever watched, but it's very worth it. i watched it over a decade ago when i was first getting into anime, after watching a couple of sci-fi anime and psychological anime (notably akira and lain). i thought i would put my big boy pants on and watch this so called mindfuck show that is more mindfuck than lain. i was not prepared. i've since rewatched it several times and it went over much better, mostly because i wasn't an an anime greenie anymore and i was older. this show has the greatest anime soundtrack of all time IMO. also don't watch the dub, it butchers the script. lastly, |
Shutos said: Hrybami said: i would say the only way for me to explain it, is that one, i do not find it boring, especially on my second watch, i was completely engrossed the entire time and i truly love how the world and story are built. but it comes down to how i relate to the characters. Ichise and Eriko are two of my most beloved characters of all time, and to put it in more personal terms, watching texhnolyze, and relating to the characters, gives me a very human experience, i feel that i relate closely to their struggle of trying to live and be human in a world where that is vastly fleeting. thats basically just a personal answer as to why its one of my favorite anime of all time.I'd say that this show is definitely not for anyone. This was made to be the less entertaining anime ever created and it worked. I felt the show was constantly trying to punish me for existing. Definitely not a pleasing experience, yet I genuinely enjoyed it as an art form. But yeah... people putting this show in their favourite really make me rise an eyebrow. What are they thinking? Yes I understand that you don't find it boring, the show definitely has enough substance to look at something into it. But I'm asking how is it entertaining to anyone? For me the reason you gave me are not enough to suck out entertainment out of this show. This show is oppressing, there's nothing fun about it. |
Hrybami said: hmm we probably just measure our enjoyment and entertainment out of a show in completely different ways, which is totally fine and expected out of different anime fansShutos said: i would say the only way for me to explain it, is that one, i do not find it boring, especially on my second watch, i was completely engrossed the entire time and i truly love how the world and story are built. but it comes down to how i relate to the characters. Ichise and Eriko are two of my most beloved characters of all time, and to put it in more personal terms, watching texhnolyze, and relating to the characters, gives me a very human experience, i feel that i relate closely to their struggle of trying to live and be human in a world where that is vastly fleeting. thats basically just a personal answer as to why its one of my favorite anime of all time. Yes I understand that you don't find it boring, the show definitely has enough substance to look at something into it. But I'm asking how is it entertaining to anyone? For me the reason you gave me are not enough to suck out entertainment out of this show. This show is oppressing, there's nothing fun about it. |
Shutos said: Hrybami said: hmm we probably just measure our enjoyment and entertainment out of a show in completely different ways, which is totally fine and expected out of different anime fansYes I understand that you don't find it boring, the show definitely has enough substance to look at something into it. But I'm asking how is it entertaining to anyone? For me the reason you gave me are not enough to suck out entertainment out of this show. This show is oppressing, there's nothing fun about it. I guess you're right. I might not understand how can someone find Texhnolyze fun, yet I'm sure a lot of people don't know how I can find CGDCT fun. Thank you for your input. |
Hrybami said: yeah of course thank you for your discussion Shutos said: hmm we probably just measure our enjoyment and entertainment out of a show in completely different ways, which is totally fine and expected out of different anime fans I guess you're right. I might not understand how can someone find Texhnolyze fun, yet I'm sure a lot of people don't know how I can find CGDCT fun. Thank you for your input. |
MiaYumeko said: awesome! hope you'll find something meaningful in it that you enjoy. do come back and let me know though!I've been saying that i want to watch this for a year now... I guess the time has come ^-^ |
N1eR said: Hrybami said: Yes I understand that you don't find it boring, the show definitely has enough substance to look at something into it. But I'm asking how is it entertaining to anyone? For me the reason you gave me are not enough to suck out entertainment out of this show. This show is oppressing, there's nothing fun about it. Nothing wrong with being oppressive. Why would it be fun, when humanity is on a verge of extinction? Well, some characters do crack jokes there. I'm not saying that this show and its world should be funny in any way. The word fun is referring to the word enjoyment which refer to the word pleasure. That's the point you want to get at when you decide to watch something. If you can't take pleasure of a show then it's inherently not fun to watch. |
N1eR said: Hrybami said: I'm not saying that this show and its world should be funny in any way. The word fun is referring to the word enjoyment which refer to the word pleasure. That's the point you want to get at when you decide to watch something. If you can't take pleasure of a show then it's inherently not fun to watch. but your sentences just come as "it is not appealing to masses with superfluous stuff, so its not fun", that's what I responded to. And well, Texhnolyze is a rather chill experience, with close to zero asshole characters and protagonists and antagonists both are trying to do something good for their beloved ones. Show also ends with better "hopeful" ending than, let's say already mentioned Evangelion, because it shows hope in a bleak world, instead of nonsense and ends on that note. While Eva ends with Shinji strangling Asuka. Texhnolyze also has perhaps the best thematic exploration regarding the meaninglessness and it is actually thought-provoking. How else would you make it more enjoyable? It would be enjoyable if it had some drama, some tension, some interesting dialogue, something to look forward to... Because the only somewhat enjoyable episode come after 18 episodes of the least enjoyable episode I've seen. Again, I like the show for what it is, but it's definitely not something I enjoyed watching. But in the end, we all have different definition of enjoyment so I'd not be surprised if you genuinely enjoyed watching a guy crawling for 20 minutes. |
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