Why do people like this?

May 21, 2021 10:42 AM

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I spoiled myself a bit to verify my suspicions, and here's what I got (no major spoilers):

i dont know where tf did you got that spoiler but lack of context here seem that you wont change your mind in what so ever so bye bye.

May 21, 2021 10:53 AM

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I love it because the characters are funny the story is good and fun to watch and it’s just very casual nothing to hard to understand.

May 21, 2021 10:59 AM

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@Emily71

Eris is great - She knows exactly what Rudy's like and beats him to a pulp when he steps out of line, She knows what she wants to do and doesn't give a shit what other people think of her so long as she achieves her goals - without giving too much away she breaks Rudy, goes off to do her own thing and reappears as an absolute monster later.

I'll agree he never stops being a pervert and that will always be an issue to some people, but he becomes loyal and protective to the point of repeatedly putting his life on the line to protect the weak and the ones he loves.

regardless -its loads better than watching yet another bland isekai or power fantasy harem show. Highschool DXD, Wise mans grandchild or Tusugimomo (which is really questionable loli-bait).

May 21, 2021 11:06 AM

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Ok just stop the asking for now, for what i seen this is getting no where this just you asking the people what they like and you don't. So why don't you just wait and watch the second cour and see if you still don't like it then that okay not every one can like every thing this anime is just not for you.

May 21, 2021 12:34 PM

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I actually really liked Jobless Reincarnation (yes I like dub, fight me). I was reluctant to watch this anime at first, but after the first 3 episodes I was hooked. I can write paragraphs upon paragraphs of why I think this anime is amazing, but I'll try to keep it concise. Also, spoilers ahead.

World-building.The world of Jobless Reincarnation is full of life, and it sticks to it's rules. In this series an individual is power with a set amount of mana that they cannot exceed. This mana determines how much power a person can potentially tap into. I really like how Redeus isn't born with overpowered abilities and has to learn how the magic of the world works. Sure he's born with an ability to invoke magic without incantations, but this ability isn't special to him. As we see in episode 3, he teaches Sylphiette this same ability.

Characters. I'm assuming that you don't like Redeus because he's a pervert, but his character is more than just a 34 y/o man hitting on girls. Yeah putting it like this does sound creepy, but Rudeus cares alot about his friends and the ones he holds dear. In episode 4, he saved both Paul and the maid from being thrown out the house. In episode 11, when Redeus' plan caused a member of another party to die, he felt guilty and whish he could've done something to save that person. Later that episode, he was about to destroy a whole city just to save Eris. Rudeus isn't the only one with great character development. Paul, Eris, Roxy, Ruijerd and many others all have character developments that make them great.

Anyway Imma stop at world building and characters. Again, I can write so much more reason why I love this show, but I think I wrote way more than I should've.

May 21, 2021 1:08 PM

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LustKamisama said:
MT is what isekai is suppose to be. Its like the most generic isekai you can find but it’s able to pilot it so well. It doesn’t need any gimmick (aka smartphone, moms, revenge drama) it’s literally about starting a new life in an isekai and you are there to watch the full ride. Immersion is off the charts as the production value it great, music OST as well.
Rudy is the most controversial part simply because he’s a POS of what he did. But i was able to sit through Araragi from nisemonogatari so I can just stomach it.

Rudeus is a very well written character. Just because you don’t like the character, doesn’t mean it’s bad. The manga actually popularized a lot of the tropes in isekai, so it’s actually pretty original

May 21, 2021 1:35 PM

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Matt_The_Weeb06 said:

LustKamisama said:
MT is what isekai is suppose to be. Its like the most generic isekai you can find but it’s able to pilot it so well. It doesn’t need any gimmick (aka smartphone, moms, revenge drama) it’s literally about starting a new life in an isekai and you are there to watch the full ride. Immersion is off the charts as the production value it great, music OST as well.
Rudy is the most controversial part simply because he’s a POS of what he did. But i was able to sit through Araragi from nisemonogatari so I can just stomach it.

Rudeus is a very well written character. Just because you don’t like the character, doesn’t mean it’s bad. The manga actually popularized a lot of the tropes in isekai, so it’s actually pretty original

Lol no, he can be a POS, scum even while being a well written character. I can like the show without liking him, although hard for some to do understandably.

Generic doesn’t mean copying or originality lol, when you think of a isekai story MT is what you expect it to be. No gimmicks, no abnormalities, no specialties which is fine as it’s able to pilot it pretty well.

May 21, 2021 1:41 PM

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Great world building, especially compared to other isekai or most fantasy anime recently with only a couple exceptions, who don't put remotely enough effort compared to this series. Other than that, an exciting adventure with good plot progression, good characters (even Rudeus for me counts there although he's not my favorite from the series), excellent production and a great adaptation of the material for the most part, great music, and great pacing without convoluting itself too much or stagnating itself so badly that it gets really boring like Re:Zero for me.

May 21, 2021 1:42 PM

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High production value with a super solid set up for future seasons. Even with the controversial elements, It's impossible to deny how well studio bind did and and for that, I gave it a 7. If the quality stays the same for future seasons, I can easily see my love for the series as well as myself giving higher and higher scores as it progresses.

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May 21, 2021 3:03 PM

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rudy is a genuinely good character, he has flaws like anyone else, but tries to be better, i agree that the red haired character is annoying, but i like all the rest

and i love the fact that there are no villians or fights going on, just us and rudy learning about this world and trying to be a better person, do better with this second chance hes been given, such a refreshing thing to see

if you don't like it thats fine, you don't have to like it just because many others do

May 21, 2021 3:09 PM

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I hate rudeus, I hate eris, I also hate fanservice and those nasty jokes.
but I stayed for the world that I present and its great animation, they are great, the world of MT reminds me of one of my favorite final fantasy games (FFTA) for civilized species and laws and how the world works in general.

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Just to clarify, adaptations should absolutely stand on their own

May 21, 2021 3:11 PM

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When you look beyond the whole apeshit with pedophilia and heavy handed depiction of sexuality and medieval moral standards (depicted strikingly more realistically than most other fantasy anime), it sports some of the best world building and character development without needing particular novelties or gimmicks. It also keeps getting more interesting without ever stagnating in quality. The movie-like aesthetic quality also helps, too.

May 21, 2021 9:59 PM

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I don't know really. It's one of the most repulsive modern shows I've ever tried.

May 21, 2021 10:06 PM

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I will decide whether I will continue Muskoku Tensei or not during the second cour of it

May 22, 2021 3:59 AM

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Emily71 said:
I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

I despise Rudeus, he is a terrible character. But a bad mc can, in most cases, be compensated by good characters or a good story but all the other characters except three from which one is a side character we'll never see again are trash as well. And the story is just boring but fine, I guess. The only really good aspect is the art but that is not enough to make a show good if the rest is lacking.
But if you have reasons to like this show, I'd be more than glad to listen.

If this goes against the discusion rules, then I'm sorry. I did read them to make sure I can post this but I could have misunderstood something.

After reading this and other things you've said I'm wondering if you despise Rudy for his moral decisions? Correct me if I'm wrong.
When you said he is a terrible character and bad MC are you referring to his morality? I personally think Rudeus is a well written character because he's so flawed. There's so much room for growth but as we see Rudy isn't perfect he messes up and that's what makes him appealing, at least to me. Its realistic because humans falter all the time and so does Rudeus, this compounds on his character since we know he was an otaku in his past life, he doesn't really know human kindness from his past life either. All he knows is how to be a trash character (morally). Its his own desire vs Being a moral person. And when you smarter and stronger than most people the consequences seem minuscule, yet we still se him regret decisions he's made.

I understand your point with the side characters as well. I watched konosuba with the most useless characters and clichèd personalities who couldn't think for themselves. If that wasn't a comedic plot device I really wouldn't be able to stomach it.

I say, try to sympathise with the characters, but if the show puts you off to the point that you don't enjoy it then it's probably best you drop it. But give it a chance please.

May 22, 2021 8:19 AM

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Thw first Episodes were fking good in my opinion, but at the time Rudeus goes to this Red Hair Tsundere i was so bored and nothing special happend up to the last episode :(... So i actually dont like it that much

May 22, 2021 9:26 AM

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Because the worldbuilding, characters, character development and plot are one of the best in isekai. Imo this is the best isekai ever made. (talking about the ln)(10/10 rating). And the fact that a entire Studio has been created to adapt this ln, says enough about the future of this show.

May 23, 2021 12:08 AM

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I don't really have any complex reasons for my liking. It's just that I like isekais and this is pretty good compared to the rest.

May 23, 2021 12:44 AM

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Well, I feel like the main issue about this is Rudeus moral issues being intolerable. Isn't it supposed to be the story of how an ugly bastard that got treated like a trash (partially his fault) become a better person in his 2nd life but actually got reincarnated just to become a pedophile.

May 23, 2021 1:29 PM

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Some people are capable of ignoring Rudeus acts because they would act the same or they share his views on how woman should be treated.

May 23, 2021 1:32 PM

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Gween_Gween said:
Some people are capable of ignoring Rudeus acts because they would act the same or they share his views on how woman should be treated.

Ofc,
If I were in his place I would behave the same too.
cause that place is fiction lmao

May 23, 2021 2:16 PM

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If I was in Rudy's position - I'd have followed Roxy to hell and back - at least she's the same age as Rudy is (she's in her late 30's when they first meet - her tribe don't start aging until they get to 100 and can live a lot longer than that).

But the story direction means he has to meet other people who will influence and change how Rudy acts and thinks and in MT people will be introduced hang around for a bit maybe not appearing to be significant, disappear and will reappear later - all the way to the end of Volume 24.

MT's world is probably like a medieval world would be morally - lots of sex, lots of possessing women for inter-family power struggles. The fact they only celebrate birthdays at 5, 10 & 15 would indicate a high mortality rate, and being classed as an adult at 15 is older than a lot of European cultures would have considered as an adult back in the dark-ages. History is full of child princesses and arranged marriages.

The adaptation looks and sounds good, they haven't butchered the source material to the point it doesn't make sense (PTN2, ToG) so provided they don't rush adapting the remaining 21 volumes there's a ton of world building, character building, pervyness & redemption to come.

May 23, 2021 4:54 PM

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I think most people who like this can agree on one thing: Rudeus has a shitty personality. To me, he is scum, but I quite enjoy this piece. This guy does not excuse his behavior and openly describes himself as a worthless bum. And yet, despite being scum, he still tries to be better when given a second chance. I feel like we usually expect for the MC to change into a better person as soon as they get a second chance, but we tend to forget that change takes a lot of time. It takes time and effort to change your personality, but I applaud him for correcting himself when he really messes up. He's a pervert, he's selfish, but then again, that just makes him a regular human being. I enjoy seeing this shitty guy change slightly whenever he begins to interact with different people, and the female characters have different personalities which we see develop and grow along with Rudy. Of course, his growth is better seen later on, but his main personality remains the same, just like any human. At least for me,that's the main reason I like this anime, as it's nice to see a more human MC.

May 23, 2021 6:40 PM

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ah shit here we go again.

Rudeius isn't "Badly written."
just because his morals don't conjoin with yours.

Lights a well written character the dudes a homicidal manic and i hate his guts, but i don't think hes poorly written.

I don't see how having gray zone moral code makes for bad writing or even being a moral.

the show doesn't actually justify any of his actions and with what has happened and whats to come it's defiantly not a wish fulfillment series given how much more he will lose before the end.

Rudaius isn't my favorite character, but i don't think the series is bad for not making me think hes "the best." if anything the entire shows about showing people for what they are flawed.
Eris isn't perfect shes temperamental and violent this doesn't overtly change just the direction she turns it towards. however you can still see them as a person.
this series isn't about heros vs villians.
this isn't a show about the ideal human.
this is a show that shows a flawed character living in a dangerous fantasy world.

Gween_Gween said:
Some people are capable of ignoring Rudeus acts because they would act the same or they share his views on how woman should be treated.

so anyone who watches Tokyo ghouls want's to eat humans?

and anyone who watches death note wants to murder thousands of people?

because that's what you are saying.

GrimAtramentMay 23, 2021 6:46 PM

"among monsters and humans, there are only two types.
Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice
“Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume
“Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus

May 24, 2021 1:23 AM

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Most things were already said, but I want to give my two cents before this thread gets closed.

I just like Rudeus. Watching him in his second try at life, while doing stupid shit is just to funny. I like the humor of the series.

After watching the series, I read the novel and I laughed, I cried, I facepalmed, I was disgusted and I just couldn't stop reading.

Rudeus is scum, his moral compass is 180° turned around, but in the end the people who met him, are better off then before meeting him. I mean who get's hurt by his perverted antics? People talking about him like he is some unredeemable psychopatch, but he just wants to life a normal life like most people, surrounded by friends and family; people who like him.

And one last thing: No woman or children got hurt in the production of the series (except for some viewers)

May 28, 2021 8:08 PM

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In my opinion, the characters are great, they are really well written and they reflect how people are not perfect, they have regrets and most importantly genuine feelings. I agree that rudeus is not a good person but he tries his best to improve. The fact that he, nor any character ( for example Paul ) is not perfect, makes me love this show

May 28, 2021 8:25 PM

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Emily71 said:
I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

Why do people like making discussions like this?
Just to stir up drama?
I sincerely doubt you mean any of this. Seems like more of an opening, blanket statement to cover yourself from being "flamed" for being judgemental of people who might have differing opinions from you.

My taste is trash. So is yours.

May 29, 2021 4:09 AM

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It's boring af with cringe main character. And plot is not special, animation is okay. 4/10

Jun 3, 2021 3:15 PM

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Something I would like to point out that people don't seem to bring up in the debate about Rudy's character and interpret that the show glorifies him:

Rudy is complete scum character, definitely. But, I would say that it's not that the show glorifies it, its simply the fact that the show is narrated from his perspective, which is key.

There are other scum characters like his father Paul, and some responses and reviews I've seen also home in on how his horrible behavior is made to seem like it's fine and he's good or cool. I would say that is also because this is all from Rudy's perspective (which he is currently the worst scum). He says that he respects his father because he is strong, and hints that the respect also comes from what he has done with women, but this is also from Rudy's current perspective. Paul is also scum, and the early impressions and interactions he has foreshadow some later things in the story with his father. At that point I would say that Rudy has grown a bit and the perspective starts to come differently...

Also it's a long story and Rudy's growth is very gradual. He is not going to suddenly change in one episode. I haven't read the LN, just the manga, so I can't sell the whole thing.

I definitely like it and it really hit me as special, like "this is what the full isekai package should be" when I first started reading. That said, it still at the least gets the 'ecchi' tag and has unsavory story elements so I'm not out to recommend it to random folks who don't already watch anime. Just like I wouldn't be talking to my neighbor over my fence and say "Hey you should read this Japanese comic called Berserk, its a masterpiece so you and everyone else will love it."

Jun 3, 2021 5:22 PM

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Mushoku Tensei easily became one of my favorite anime of all time and i'll explain why and why I think Rudeus is a good character but before I do that I want to say I don't support any of his actions as a character what so ever.

Mushoku Tensei has quickly become my biggest obsession in terms of an anime. It's very good at bringing the feeling of a true fantasy world to life whether that's through it's art, it's music, the characters, or through small quality of life things like the different languages he acquires (and actually uses in the show) or just even more simple and obvious, magic. They portray magic in a way that's better than most fantasy/isekai worlds and I find that really endearing. I'm also a huge fan of watching characters grow up and become older over time, it's always been one of my favorite things in shows like Naruto or Twin Star Exorcists. Not to mention, Rudeus is not an OP MC from the start. Rudeus becomes stronger because he started magic at a young age and used his knowledge to grasp magic faster than most. Rudeus is still a talentless character and that's why he completely struggles with sword training. Rudeus may be the easily most dislikable character from the very start and he seems irredeemable at some points, but this attitude quickly changes over time when he starts to value other characters. The more he got attached to Eris the more he backes off when put in his place and treats her more respectfully, especially in the later half of the show when Eris, also, starts to treat Rudeus with more kindness because of his change in attitude during their dire situation. He's a character with a lot of flaws, but in his former life he was never able to build true connections or realize the value of life because of the way he was ostracized and bullied. Once Rudeus experiences life as he never got to and creates more relationships and further sees the struggle that life can hold and the values of life he becomes way more respectable and redeemable. He's a child in the show but also a child in mind as well. He only sees things through his eyes and follows his selfish desires because that's all he had after the position he put himself in his previous life. There's a lot more to understand and grasp about this show then simply (this) character is bad or (this) character is good. The author knew what he was doing and that's why also made Rudeus's father possibly one of the scummiest characters of all time because he also holds as an example of what not to do. I could go into a lot further detail on why I like this show and why I crave more and most of those reasons are because the fantasy world is so unique and pulls you in plus I find following the life span of a character fascinating, but I mostly wanted to speak on why Rudeus is well written and why I think people are too quick to judge bad behavior. I will gladly elaborate or give reasons on why I enjoy anything else in this show so please let me know if you'd like to hear more.

Jun 3, 2021 8:31 PM

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Zerenity said:
He's a character with a lot of flaws, but in his former life he was never able to build true connections or realize the value of life because of the way he was ostracized and bullied. Once Rudeus experiences life as he never got to and creates more relationships and further sees the struggle that life can hold and the values of life he becomes way more respectable and redeemable. He's a child in the show but also a child in mind as well. He only sees things through his eyes and follows his selfish desires because that's all he had after the position he put himself in his previous life. There's a lot more to understand and grasp about this show then simply (this) character is bad or (this) character is good.

I agree with this, and it kind of makes me think of his reincarnation as a pure opportunity for reform or redemption (not that the author is obligated to make Rudy succeed in this completely during the story). If you were to consider him as a criminal, then in his past life he would likely not have much chance for reform or change since his life would spiral further downward until he ended up in jail or dead.

His reincarnation itself is a sort of fantasy conduit that allows him to grow instead. He gets away with a lot of bad actions because he is a 'child' in body so those around him excuse it, where he could not have made and realized such stupid mistakes if he were still a grown man.

This is assuming the viewer believes in reform of a person I suppose. I wonder if the general reactions would be different if instead of starting out a pedo he was a murderer or something in his past life, since pure violence is not quite as offensive in society. But then I suppose the story would be different if he was caught killing small animals or something as a child as opposed to stealing underwear.

Jun 3, 2021 10:29 PM

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Zarathustra77 said:

Zerenity said:
He's a character with a lot of flaws, but in his former life he was never able to build true connections or realize the value of life because of the way he was ostracized and bullied. Once Rudeus experiences life as he never got to and creates more relationships and further sees the struggle that life can hold and the values of life he becomes way more respectable and redeemable. He's a child in the show but also a child in mind as well. He only sees things through his eyes and follows his selfish desires because that's all he had after the position he put himself in his previous life. There's a lot more to understand and grasp about this show then simply (this) character is bad or (this) character is good.

I agree with this, and it kind of makes me think of his reincarnation as a pure opportunity for reform or redemption (not that the author is obligated to make Rudy succeed in this completely during the story). If you were to consider him as a criminal, then in his past life he would likely not have much chance for reform or change since his life would spiral further downward until he ended up in jail or dead.

His reincarnation itself is a sort of fantasy conduit that allows him to grow instead. He gets away with a lot of bad actions because he is a 'child' in body so those around him excuse it, where he could not have made and realized such stupid mistakes if he were still a grown man.

This is assuming the viewer believes in reform of a person I suppose. I wonder if the general reactions would be different if instead of starting out a pedo he was a murderer or something in his past life, since pure violence is not quite as offensive in society. But then I suppose the story would be different if he was caught killing small animals or something as a child as opposed to stealing underwear.

This is a very good follow up take. You're absolutely right about it being in the eye of the beholder and that's why most people are quick to judge or shun his actions and even though they'd be right in doing so and it's understandable, there's also realizing that, like you said, if he weren't to get away with such actions or even commit a different taboo/sin it would lead for a different narrative. No matter which path he ended up in in his previous life I still see this as, to quote you, a pure opportunity for reform or redemption.

I definitely think the general reaction to the show would've been different overall if his past was of a different origin, but I think the author chose the "pervert" route because of the overall outlook of hikikomori's. They're most likely similarly seen in a bad light as portrayed by Rudeus past life, but I personally think the route they chose for his character makes for the best redemption. He'll learn the things he refused to learn in his past life through hardship and understand the value of relationships and respect.

Jun 13, 2021 12:45 PM

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TreeSapp said:

Emily71 said:
I don't want to flame anyone for liking Mushoku Tensei and I don't want to be flamed for not liking Mushoku Tensei, I just want people telling me what they like about this, so that maybe I can understand people who like this.

Why do people like making discussions like this?
Just to stir up drama?
I sincerely doubt you mean any of this. Seems like more of an opening, blanket statement to cover yourself from being "flamed" for being judgemental of people who might have differing opinions from you.

I know this is kinda late but I was really tired of this thread, so I ignored it for a while.

Anyways, you might not believe me but I wholeheartedly just wanted to hear people's opinions. I really felt like Mushoku Tensei was an anime which I could start to like if given a reason and I actually do look forward to the next cour and coming seasons because of some responses. I don't judge anyone for having a different opinion, I'm rather glad for you being able to enjoy something I didn't enjoy. I'm sorry if this came off as toxic but that really wasn't my intention.
It's fine if you don't believe me, I understand, there are lots of people just wanting to judge people for things they like but I do want to say that I'm not such a person, if you believe me or not.

Jun 14, 2021 10:59 PM

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- Interesting characters
- Impressive worldbuilding
- Compelling plot and story
- Great animation and visuals
- Great soundtracks, opening and ending
- Everything is executed properly

What else do you need in order to enjoy a show?

Jun 15, 2021 12:30 AM

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Because it’s fleshed out, and hating the MC isn’t really a good reason since he had was dealt a bad hand in his previous life and is trying to become a better person but obviously we all have faults that stay with us so it’s not just he was a scumbag and now he’s an Angel, he still portrays parts of his past life which makes it more interesting. I feel since you’re hung up on hating him you’ll never really enjoy it. The show is good as it shows people aren’t perfect and the majority of the characters have faults like in the real world so it’s more interesting to me at least.

Jun 15, 2021 4:28 PM

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i love this anime.. because theres to many haters of it..

and because rudeus wants to correct all the mistakes that he did in his previous life..

Jun 16, 2021 5:01 AM

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The anime is great because the MC is more human than most MCs in anime. He's not your Pure hearted sinless protag. He's a human who failed at life. And he is given a second shot, and even though given that second shot he doesn't just come right out and has an epiphany and instantly changes. Because what he was was all he was. This entire season, hell the entire series is a redemption arc. You can see him slowly change through the season as it continued, but still. Yes, rudeus is unlikable. But that is specifically what makes this anime good and the character believable. He's a piece of crap now, but he isn't as the series progresses. You aren't supposed to like Rudeus right now. That was the whole point.

Jun 16, 2021 7:54 AM

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Emily71 said:

TreeSapp said:

Why do people like making discussions like this?
Just to stir up drama?
I sincerely doubt you mean any of this. Seems like more of an opening, blanket statement to cover yourself from being "flamed" for being judgemental of people who might have differing opinions from you.

I know this is kinda late but I was really tired of this thread, so I ignored it for a while.

Anyways, you might not believe me but I wholeheartedly just wanted to hear people's opinions. I really felt like Mushoku Tensei was an anime which I could start to like if given a reason and I actually do look forward to the next cour and coming seasons because of some responses. I don't judge anyone for having a different opinion, I'm rather glad for you being able to enjoy something I didn't enjoy. I'm sorry if this came off as toxic but that really wasn't my intention.
It's fine if you don't believe me, I understand, there are lots of people just wanting to judge people for things they like but I do want to say that I'm not such a person, if you believe me or not.

I don't blame you for ignoring this thread lol, people make too many assumptions

Some things can only be achieved through animation.

Jun 16, 2021 8:27 AM

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As I am sure many people have probably said, Rudeus is a bad person, not a bad character. In fact, I like his character for being different from the norm as a protagonist.

As for why I like this show, it's just because I found it entertaining and enjoyable.

Jun 16, 2021 4:23 PM

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PiyushSan said:
- Interesting characters
- Impressive worldbuilding
- Compelling plot and story
- Great animation and visuals
- Great soundtracks, opening and ending
- Everything is executed properly

What else do you need in order to enjoy a show?

That is why you should watch Seirei no Moribito instead.

Jun 16, 2021 4:52 PM

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Tylaen said:

PiyushSan said:
- Interesting characters
- Impressive worldbuilding
- Compelling plot and story
- Great animation and visuals
- Great soundtracks, opening and ending
- Everything is executed properly

What else do you need in order to enjoy a show?

That is why you should watch Seirei no Moribito instead.

Tylaen said:

PiyushSan said:
- Interesting characters
- Impressive worldbuilding
- Compelling plot and story
- Great animation and visuals
- Great soundtracks, opening and ending
- Everything is executed properly

What else do you need in order to enjoy a show?

That is why you should watch Seirei no Moribito instead.

We're talking about Mushoku Tensei right? But thanks for the recommendation. I'll check it out.

Jun 16, 2021 7:01 PM

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Tylaen said:

PiyushSan said:
- Interesting characters
- Impressive worldbuilding
- Compelling plot and story
- Great animation and visuals
- Great soundtracks, opening and ending
- Everything is executed properly

What else do you need in order to enjoy a show?

That is why you should watch Seirei no Moribito instead.

It is possible to like both.

Jun 17, 2021 3:54 AM

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antonn said:

Tylaen said:

That is why you should watch Seirei no Moribito instead.

It is possible to like both.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

Jun 26, 2021 4:15 PM

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Sorry i try my best to resist but i was Maybe to weak.

So here i'm ,

What do you want to know ?
Why do people like, whats does lake mt so likeable ? Or you want to try to like it by understanting it first ?

It will be a little bit complicated ,
.
first ,get that it not special,just an isekai
Second, its not that great ,wait,
Here i want you to not look at MT like the Anime that you get why,but people a so fond of that.
I think that if you retry it with those settings maybe you find something that you may like in Mt.

As for why, i do like it actually I don't really know.

.you find that Rudeus have a harem in the beginning (I'll call them possible love interest), still

1-roxy saw him as child+student $studentszone).
2- sylphie just wanted (in the beginning)) a friendship with him (worse friendzone )
.
3-eris just beat the f* out him (and that she had her own reasons pretty legit most of the time) $punchingballzone.

To make short if you find the world of MT strange, yeah you're right, but saying that there are no likeable charafter is a lie, I will say.

They do have some likeable side, even rudeus, it's up to you to find them, they won't be throw at you're face, there are there mixed with their bad side, not apart 50/100 here and 50/100 there, it's 100/100 of a person(here character)

To help you if you want to try to enjoy (you don't need to like it, in the end a show, with the purpose of giving you a good time)

Sorry, worst English ever,

Jul 2, 2021 7:57 AM

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I like the show because it's entertaining/hilarious since I've never been isekaide i can't take a moral stand on anything and instead ill just try to enjoy rudy struggling with everything and all the comedic and serious events that happen along the way. When is part 2 coming already.

Jul 2, 2021 8:19 AM

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Paul is also a good enough reason to love this anime.
The giga Chad

Jul 3, 2021 12:43 AM

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So Rudeas is a bit of a perv. Why does that make him a "scumbag" as many people here are so eager to label him as? Quite frankly, I think the Medieval moral standards are better then today's standards if today's morality says that a little sexual mischief makes you an irredeemable monster in everybody's eyes no matter how many good things you do in life for the people around you.

Have y'all ever considered that maybe the people he is playing these sexual pranks on don't think its as big of a hairy deal as you do? Roxy knows he stole her panties, she still writes affectionate letters to him, Eris has caught him in several compromising positions, she still likes him too, Sylphiette also still likes him even though he removed all her clothing.

And also consider the fact that lots of other guys around him are acting the exact same way. None of the adults in this world seem to think this stuff is a big deal and they seem rather nonchalant even about the idea of Rudeas and Eris sleeping together. The prince Roxy is tutoring now is more pervy then he is, by a long shot too.

Perhaps all these people like Rudeas because he is a good person, he helps the weak instead of bullying them, he is always looking out for the people around him and trying to help them in life. Rudeas never behaves maliciously, he is always uplifting others and has a strong sense of justice. He teaches the other people valuable lessons that are impacting them in a positive way for the rest of their lives. Rudeas is working for 5 years with a family he didn't know at all so he can pay for his possibly future girlfriend to go to school with him. He did not throw a tantrum or act like a brat when he father said no, he made a perfectly reasonable compromise and asked his father to let him work for the opportunity to go to school with her. That shows what a caring and fair person Rudeas really is. If Rudeas hadn't come into many of these people's lives, who knows what would have happened to their future.

But according to the consensus here, he is "a scumbag" and "a terrible person" because he stole some panties and fondled a girl a little who ultimately didn't see it as that big of a deal? Jesus christ. Were you guys ever kids yourself? Kids do weird/pervy shit that is not an acceptable way to behave once you're an adult anymore. Kids flash their private parts at you, they peek on you while you're going to the bathroom, in the elementary school I went to the girls used to chase the boys around and forcibly kiss them. Back in the middle school I went to, lots of guys, and I do mean lots of them would "accidentally on purpose" bump into girls and feel them up a little. When I was in class once, a girl grabbed my ass as I was walking past her desk. Nobody was "scarred" or "traumatized for life" by these things. Nowadays, its just a funny story about things only kids can really do without that kind of behavior being an indication of a truly dangerous person.

Now if Rudeas had been killing small animals or bullying other kids, then I'd agree with the moral assessment others are making of him. But for stealing some panties? You guys need to learn better moral priorities. Ever heard of a panty raid? It wasn't that long ago that things like that were quite common and people just saw it as youthful pranking.

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Jul 3, 2021 4:11 AM

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Ryuk9428 said:
So Rudeas is a bit of a perv. Why does that make him a "scumbag" as many people here are so eager to label him as? Quite frankly, I think the Medieval moral standards are better then today's standards if today's morality says that a little sexual mischief makes you an irredeemable monster in everybody's eyes no matter how many good things you do in life for the people around you.

Have y'all ever considered that maybe the people he is playing these sexual pranks on don't think its as big of a hairy deal as you do? Roxy knows he stole her panties, she still writes affectionate letters to him, Eris has caught him in several compromising positions, she still likes him too, Sylphiette also still likes him even though he removed all her clothing.

And also consider the fact that lots of other guys around him are acting the exact same way. None of the adults in this world seem to think this stuff is a big deal and they seem rather nonchalant even about the idea of Rudeas and Eris sleeping together. The prince Roxy is tutoring now is more pervy then he is, by a long shot too.

Perhaps all these people like Rudeas because he is a good person, he helps the weak instead of bullying them, he is always looking out for the people around him and trying to help them in life. Rudeas never behaves maliciously, he is always uplifting others and has a strong sense of justice. He teaches the other people valuable lessons that are impacting them in a positive way for the rest of their lives. Rudeas is working for 5 years with a family he didn't know at all so he can pay for his possibly future girlfriend to go to school with him. He did not throw a tantrum or act like a brat when he father said no, he made a perfectly reasonable compromise and asked his father to let him work for the opportunity to go to school with her. That shows what a caring and fair person Rudeas really is. If Rudeas hadn't come into many of these people's lives, who knows what would have happened to their future.

But according to the consensus here, he is "a scumbag" and "a terrible person" because he stole some panties and fondled a girl a little who ultimately didn't see it as that big of a deal? Jesus christ. Were you guys ever kids yourself? Kids do weird/pervy shit that is not an acceptable way to behave once you're an adult anymore. Kids flash their private parts at you, they peek on you while you're going to the bathroom, in the elementary school I went to the girls used to chase the boys around and forcibly kiss them. Back in the middle school I went to, lots of guys, and I do mean lots of them would "accidentally on purpose" bump into girls and feel them up a little. When I was in class once, a girl grabbed my ass as I was walking past her desk. Nobody was "scarred" or "traumatized for life" by these things. Nowadays, its just a funny story about things only kids can really do without that kind of behavior being an indication of a truly dangerous person.

Now if Rudeas had been killing small animals or bullying other kids, then I'd agree with the moral assessment others are making of him. But for stealing some panties? You guys need to learn better moral priorities. Ever heard of a panty raid? It wasn't that long ago that things like that were quite common and people just saw it as youthful pranking.

Let's start with I enjoy the show, so it's not hating on it.

Regardless he's scum because he does what you pointed out. Many shows have fan service and kids doing just what you pointed out: and for the most part not many people have an issue. Not like it's rare in anime to see a couple kids kissing or a grouping.... Or more. The issue most have is rudy is not a kid, he is a fully functional adult (well I guess not fully functional in more than one way.... 😂) But he's acting out as a horny teenager when he should know better.

Again to me it's part of his character growth and it's not real people so I'm not going to be pissed or angry and just enjoy the ride. But to say you don't understand why people would be uncomfortable? It's a grown man feeling up a teen girl and young teen girl. I fully get people being uncomfortable with it.(not that I agree)
But yes he's scum because of his age, not because he's a horny teen, he's not he's a horny adult in a teens/pre teens body. After the future acts as he becomes and adult it becomes less uncomfortable. But ya...

Jul 3, 2021 10:36 AM

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dejet said:

Ryuk9428 said:
So Rudeas is a bit of a perv. Why does that make him a "scumbag" as many people here are so eager to label him as? Quite frankly, I think the Medieval moral standards are better then today's standards if today's morality says that a little sexual mischief makes you an irredeemable monster in everybody's eyes no matter how many good things you do in life for the people around you.

Have y'all ever considered that maybe the people he is playing these sexual pranks on don't think its as big of a hairy deal as you do? Roxy knows he stole her panties, she still writes affectionate letters to him, Eris has caught him in several compromising positions, she still likes him too, Sylphiette also still likes him even though he removed all her clothing.

And also consider the fact that lots of other guys around him are acting the exact same way. None of the adults in this world seem to think this stuff is a big deal and they seem rather nonchalant even about the idea of Rudeas and Eris sleeping together. The prince Roxy is tutoring now is more pervy then he is, by a long shot too.

Perhaps all these people like Rudeas because he is a good person, he helps the weak instead of bullying them, he is always looking out for the people around him and trying to help them in life. Rudeas never behaves maliciously, he is always uplifting others and has a strong sense of justice. He teaches the other people valuable lessons that are impacting them in a positive way for the rest of their lives. Rudeas is working for 5 years with a family he didn't know at all so he can pay for his possibly future girlfriend to go to school with him. He did not throw a tantrum or act like a brat when he father said no, he made a perfectly reasonable compromise and asked his father to let him work for the opportunity to go to school with her. That shows what a caring and fair person Rudeas really is. If Rudeas hadn't come into many of these people's lives, who knows what would have happened to their future.

But according to the consensus here, he is "a scumbag" and "a terrible person" because he stole some panties and fondled a girl a little who ultimately didn't see it as that big of a deal? Jesus christ. Were you guys ever kids yourself? Kids do weird/pervy shit that is not an acceptable way to behave once you're an adult anymore. Kids flash their private parts at you, they peek on you while you're going to the bathroom, in the elementary school I went to the girls used to chase the boys around and forcibly kiss them. Back in the middle school I went to, lots of guys, and I do mean lots of them would "accidentally on purpose" bump into girls and feel them up a little. When I was in class once, a girl grabbed my ass as I was walking past her desk. Nobody was "scarred" or "traumatized for life" by these things. Nowadays, its just a funny story about things only kids can really do without that kind of behavior being an indication of a truly dangerous person.

Now if Rudeas had been killing small animals or bullying other kids, then I'd agree with the moral assessment others are making of him. But for stealing some panties? You guys need to learn better moral priorities. Ever heard of a panty raid? It wasn't that long ago that things like that were quite common and people just saw it as youthful pranking.

Let's start with I enjoy the show, so it's not hating on it.

Regardless he's scum because he does what you pointed out. Many shows have fan service and kids doing just what you pointed out: and for the most part not many people have an issue. Not like it's rare in anime to see a couple kids kissing or a grouping.... Or more. The issue most have is rudy is not a kid, he is a fully functional adult (well I guess not fully functional in more than one way.... 😂) But he's acting out as a horny teenager when he should know better.

Again to me it's part of his character growth and it's not real people so I'm not going to be pissed or angry and just enjoy the ride. But to say you don't understand why people would be uncomfortable? It's a grown man feeling up a teen girl and young teen girl. I fully get people being uncomfortable with it.(not that I agree)
But yes he's scum because of his age, not because he's a horny teen, he's not he's a horny adult in a teens/pre teens body. After the future acts as he becomes and adult it becomes less uncomfortable. But ya...

Yeah but all the people around him perceive him as a seven, eight, and ten year old. That makes a big difference. Personally the way I look at morality is through the lens of “what is your impact on the people around you.” People who do good things for the people around them are good, people who harm the people around them are bad. From what we have seen, Rudeas’s impact on the people around him is 95-98% positive. Nobody is perfect and from what we have seen, Rudeas’s only flaw is a pretty minor one.

His father is obviously worse then him. But his father I actually would put solidly in the grey area of morality zone. He’s not abusive, and he did teach Rudeas that men’s strength is for helping the weak, not to push others around. But his father is obviously prone to a lot of selfish behavior. I’d regard Paul as flawed/grey area character because it seems like he does the right thing most of the time and tries to be a good person but obviously screws up a lot.

People keep saying this show doesn’t have any good people in it but Rudeas is good, Zenith is good, Sylphiette is good, and Roxy is good too. That’s a pretty decent number of good characters. And most of the others I’d say are some shade of grey. We have yet to run into anyone who truly seems like a scumbag to me (maybe Eris’s grandfather, I’d say he comes the closest).

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Jul 3, 2021 1:13 PM

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Same reason arte is a good anime.

Good world building, and good character writing/development, with clear direction. Very good art and music that makes it very immersive. Hell the first seasons even mirror each other as they try and deal witha POS brat as a tutor.

Rudeus is a POS, that's his nature. But he is a very well written and realistic character. This is very rare in anime. These days 9/10 Protagonists work in a single dimension, and require heavy manipulation of the viewer through unbelievable circumstance to fake forced development or garner sympathy from the viewer.

This show doesn't give a fuck what the viewer thinks of Rudeus, its there to tell a story, not to get you to suck MC's cock.

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