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| Wanted to see a bit more of the slaughter, some of these kills were lol fuel. And nice to see Elizabeth again. |
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nick_kun said:  Make this an emoji or something! Jokes aside, AI's aside, Humans aside, Toak aside, guess what, it was Archive this whole time! This is crazy! Archive VS Humanity And A Bunch Of AIs So here are some questions to which i want an answer. 1) Every AI not updated via Archive did not go berserk. So why Vivy was the only exception? 2) Who helped Kakitani from the past with the future weapons and why there was a sudden personality change in him? (a gentle side towards AIs) I feel like I am missing some particular point :| 1. Vivy wasn't affected because she's the source of the code (song) that drove the AI's go berserk. She's the original singularity. 2. Yet to be revealed but my wild guess would be Archive. |
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ImmortalZero said: wait a minute, i just updated my windows 10. See people? Updates are evil! Windows 10 auto-updates will be the death of us all. Joking aside another amazing episode. It was good, my life •́ ‿ ,•̀ |
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| Thought Terminator vibes before, but honestly, gives me more IRobot vibes then anything, with how it seems one particular system has decided this/gone rouge, while not all have. Interesting. |
| In the comment section of the previous episode I speculated that Vivy's song was the catalyst that made the AIs / robots go homicidal crazy. "The first song written by an AI of their own free will" is not exactly an insignificant feat, and apparently it made the AIs mad due to an express dose of self-awareness or something. I still think this is the case, while the "Archive" (the "aggregate AI database", i.e. a kind of Borg-ian Collective) serves as the means, the central hub, of the aforementioned "infection". Vivy wrote (and saved, perhaps with a public access?) her song in the Archive after all. I think in the original timeline Vivy's song is also the reason the robots went mad. It just took Vivy longer to write her song, since she was stashed in the museum much earlier and thus lacked the "life" lessons, experience and growth of the second timeline (but still had her primary "How to put her heart into singing" command that drove the creation of the song). To understand why the AIs would go mad (probably not individually but their "collective consciousness" that is the Archive) after listening to Vivy's song (which must be the song the title refers to) imagine how the first humans must have felt when they first heard music - not the "music" of nature but man made music. They surely must have been enchanted. Well, in this analogy the music of humans is kind of like the music of nature for the AIs; they understand it but it does not quite "register" with them, because it was not created by their own kind and -perhaps more importantly- they have always been familiar with it, just like pre-music humans were always familiar with the "music" of nature. But now one of them just wrote their very first piece of music! It's like moving directly from singing birds to Mozart's Magic Flute! What I still don't get though is the extremely unlikely coincidence(?) of the robots going mad on the exact same date (and time?) in both timelines. That doesn't make sense at all. The second timeline has had multiple variables which should have made it diverge much, much more extensively from the original one. This repeated diverging and subsequent reconverging of the second timeline with the first that we've seen in basically every episode so far frankly makes no sense at all, neither narrative nor logic wise. Aule90 said: They weren't singing it in the original timeline (episode 1), though. And if you remember, hearing Vivy's song from the rogue A.I's was what threw Doctor Matumoto off, while he was executing the singularity project. Which means he would've failed to do so this time. I thought that in the original timeline the creators might have edited out the singing bits so that they don't spoil us (i.e. they were still singing but off-screen). However I did't take into account that Dr Matsumoto was thrown off by the singing and he would have failed to send AI Matsumoto back in time had "he" and Vivy not intervened. That one is troublesome, and indeed it might suggest that Vivy wrote no song in the original timeline or, even if she did, it did not affect the AIs and the Archive, perhaps because it was less potent. However, no matter how it happened in the original timeline (original that we know of, it might have been the third, fifth or tenth timeline..) I still feel that Vivy with her "singing from the heart" command must have been the unwitting cause, the "spark" of the disaster; in both (or all) timelines. Vivy's creator basically gave her the mission of cracking the mystery of the human soul (or heart in the abstract sense), a very tall order that if she could accomplish perhaps she could develop or gain a soul. That mission, and its effect on the Archive and the other AIs, is almost certainly the cause of the disaster. So why was Vivy the only one (Beth was not immune, she just did't access the Archive) who was immune to the madness? Maybe because she is the only one who actually -and "naturally"- developed a soul. The others were just infected with a crude simulation of it, a kind of "soul virus". |
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Red_Ranger_Wien said: Shimai_ni said: I guess it depends how you view the existence of parallel universes. If you see them all as mutually coexisting at once and Matsumoto as a temporary breach from one to the other, then yes, that doesn't affect anything. On the other hand, if you view them as branches of infinite possibilities that cease to exist once a choice is made, because only the chosen one becomes reality, then without ensuring his existence, in other words making the doctor press the start button, his existence becomes a paradox. That's not how the infinite branches theory works. In an infinitely branching timeline all variations continuously exist in parallel. One doesn't cease existing just cause a different choice was made. What I meant is that the possibilities cease to exist once the choice is made. For the current reality the rest of them are no longer possible, and from that branch's subjective view point, never existed in the first place. In this case, Matsumoto being in the branch after his trip to the past becomes reality, leaves him to the "laws" of the current world in which he came out of nowhere because his existence wasn't ensured, as he was never sent to the past in the first place. I understand where you are coming from though. This is a bit of a clash between time travel and branching so, naturally, there would be holes in my reasoning. The first one was leaning more on parallel worlds reasoning and the other on time travel. |
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ElPsyKongroo69 said: alshu said: What time paradox since they are in a different universe created by the previous time travel? That's my point. Since they're in a different universe, there was no point in the doctor sending them back in time since his timeline would remain completely unaffected. If you rewatch the episode you'll see in this timeline he didn't press the button to send Matsumoto. |
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nick_kun said: lolImmortalZero said: wait a minute, i just updated my windows 10. See people? Updates are evil! Windows 10 auto-updates will be the death of us all. Joking aside another amazing episode. It was good, my life •́ ‿ ,•̀ I just updated the software on my Tesla so I guess it's time to say my farewells. |
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| So Matsumoto was also asleep for 15 years before the AI's go berserk, weird that nothing happens in those years and then suddenly it's Battle Royale. But it seems that the Archive is involved and of course the song of Vivy has something to do with it... How they're singing it, it's cursed! So they thought that Vivy is the solution but she could even be the cause of it without knowing... Curious how this will unfold while the Singularity Project failed. |
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| Right know the trigger for the whole revolution was likely Vivy completing her song because before that zero songs existed that were written by AI by 100% themselves. The big bad in the tower "aka the Internet" saw this as a sign I guess, that's why the other AI kept chanting it. This doesn't explain what triggered it in the very first timeline though. If Vivy is always in the center of it then the whole plot is a paradox and there is likely one outcome, she has to die to stop it. Although I hope it's not gonna be that cliché because the story was really bangers so far. One other solution could be to go back in time again and get rid of the tower asap but that wouldn't save the current timeline anyway. |
| So I'm guessing the trigger point was the ability of creation. AI can surpass humans but cannot create anything themselves, then Vivy created a song and the AI super intelligence realised humans were no longer needed, hence the song being their rallying cry. If I had to guess at the point that would stop the uprising it would probably be human Matsumoto and Vivy meeting. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
| Archive is back...with vengeance. Don't tell me that Navi will also return...with vengeance? Jokes aside, I wouldn't be surprised if Navi reappeared in the last two episodes. |
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| Man, the tower is at it again |
| So... when is Sarah and Schwarzenegger showing up? |
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| Atleast this episode put things back on track Regarding them singing Vivys song, I had a feeling an AI talking about doing things of her own "free will" was odd. Atleast that was intentional, kudos to them for not drawing it out. Seems like the last 2 episodes will be truly interesting. PS: casualties in the 10.000s when the AIs are literally driving over everyone and camera drones headshot people? Pretty tame number. |
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| Another great ep I wonder how the show gonna end |
| If there's a hole there's a goal-Master Oogway |
| sheesh was sad to see all the death but quite a bit of twists here did not expect to see Beth again ,key points is to why vivy was okay despite always hooking up to the archive and everyone is legit scared of her |
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| Really hoping Tappei Nagatsuki isn't gonna hit us with the good ol' re zero and make Vivy repeat the last 100 years again |
| I guess the key to solving all the problems will be Vivy. maybe they will find out that if Vivy hasn't lasted this 100 years, non would happen. So I think Vivy is going to sacrifice herself to solve all the problems＞﹏＜. (I'm sure about this sacrifice thing, and we are going to lose Vivy at the end in a sad way😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢) |
| Things went batshit crazy at the start of this episode. AI's bonking people's temple to death made me scarred for drone attacks now. Don't wanna end up from bonks above. So now that the project has failed and both past and the future have synced. its time for an all out finale.I.m really sad to see that Vivy's own song became the anthem for the AI rebellion. It was not supposed to be like that. Also that revelation thing Kakitani AI talked about before shutting down has been bothering me for a while. (Note: Don't update to the new changes everytime. It saves lives.) |
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| I'm willing to make a bet here. 'No Diva/Vivy - No Singgularity'. With the Archive singing Vivy's song and most of the Sister Series have some attachment to 'Sing My Pleasure', I have to say that Diva / Vivy was the tipping point of the alternate timeline Singularity (possibly the original too). The last episode - my prediction Vivy will repeat the cycle but this time she will commit suicide at the start of the Singularity Project. Or better yet, Vivy will try not to develop and won't try to define 'what is a heart' OR MAYBE, she won't help that girl in the very first episode, so she won't evolve to Vivy. Edit: Last Episode Prediction |
adriokusJun 6, 2021 12:15 AM
| Vivy said to AI Matsumoto in the next episode's preview, "This is the only way"... Okay, they're going with self-sacrifice route boys. I'm going to buy boxes of tissues for the remaining episodes. |
YosepRAJun 6, 2021 1:27 AM
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| final boss finally revealed, and it's our mild mannered Archive. She makes a good replica of Skynet. Evil super computer on a mission to wipe out mankind. lol there's a lot of them, maybe those ai that did not go berserk can help Vivy? anyway, the final confrontation is here.. looking forward to next week! |
| Aw yeah baby, introducing an antagonist with 2 episodes left!!! Love it... |
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| What a wild ride. Its all back to the beginning. I think its not even the failure, Matsumoto. Cause the timeline already be changed, since the start. Well, and as i already suspect before, Matsumoto wasn't the one who cause all of those altered timeline. But, its Vivy. Her Archive went out of control, and let the ideology spreaded across every Ai on the world to fulfilled its wishes, Vivy deep heart wish. The first timeline, i assume, still her Archive, prolly the same reason too. However, as how she don't have the combat power, like the present, second timeline, Diva back there really just a busted up Ai. However, on this second chances, Diva, on the form of Vivy, got all the choices and support she really need to subvert her own Archive. Toak, those Kakitani dude, also surprisingly included, which is why i definitely thought this as a pleasant twist. Well written enough to blow my mind with all of those simplicity. Yeah, especially with those Kakitani dude. Even after his long death, he always be stay true to be the true fan for Diva, even after 100 years. Now, with all the help, including Elizabeth clone, in the freakin 2 episode left, i hope everything will solves as a well-paced resolution. Can't wait for the next week.... |
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| fk this , i knew it this is the best anime of this season... |
BetaMaleUltra said: Aw yeah baby, introducing an antagonist with 2 episodes left!!! Love it... What do you mean That tower has been demonized since episode 1 |
ElPsyKongroo69 said: alshu said: What time paradox since they are in a different universe created by the previous time travel? That's my point. Since they're in a different universe, there was no point in the doctor sending them back in time since his timeline would remain completely unaffected. This is not a paradox. Sending another Matsumoto would create yet another universe, the current one is doomed (for the humanity) anyways. They stopped him because that would be pointless. Maybe after analysing the situation they will send this new Matsumoto but with a different mission - to act against The Archive...this would eventually save the humanity but only in the new (third) universe. |
| Holy shit, the archive right now is reminding me of the machine network from Nier. Seeing Matsumoto and Matsumoto interact is actually pretty entertaining lmao, I am glad they saved Doctor Matsumoto. Also great to see that Elizabeth still has a role, since she pretty much only appeared towards the end on the whole Sunrise incident. Man, this just proves that updates are bad lmao. So, Elizabeth was able to avoid being turned into a mass murderer because she didn't update, but what about Vivy though. Did the archive just specifically let her be? There's still the mystery of how Yugo was able to have future knowledge and became an AI himself. 2 more episodes, I hope the show sticks the landing. Vivy's song was definitely a catalyst of some sort that triggered the war, I wonder if the Vivy in the previous timeline also made that song. Based on the ending scene, the archive probably wants to create a perfect world or something. |
sKyBlazer08Jun 6, 2021 6:44 AM
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- To save some version of humanity. - This can be idealistic and unpractical but still not a time paradox. ElPsyKongroo69 said: The original doctor's timeline doesn't change Yes and he died seconds later but at least he saved the beta version of himself who in turn has a better idea what the actual problem is. ElPsyKongroo69 said: so he had no reason to send Matsumoto back at all. You can give him credit for not being selfish. ElPsyKongroo69 said: there's literally no reason for them to do so. But there is. |
| I don't say this often but I'm lost for words. This is by far the best episode so far. Just amazing. |
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