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May 23, 2022 1:35 PM
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May 23, 2022 10:23 PM
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Thomas_york said: ok I accept all of this assumption but did writer didn't know it why didn't they explain it in anime..........and still I could write 4 bad mouth card saying who is traitor and once I know I would tell everyone to just expose all his secrets and let him alone go to next roundPranav3504 said: Tenji didn't expose anyone's secret because there would be no reason for do that since Yuuichi had already said to EVERYONE write a bad-mouth about themselves, it made look like that everyone would go to the third game by bad-mouthing themselves (he thought that he would be exposed and everyone would move on to the next game already, writing a secret about them would be meaningless with that knowledge, would not change the OUTCOME) Tenji wouldn't need to write anything dude. The one thing that Tenji didn't expect is that Yuuichi would tell them to not write anything in the end. IF Tenji knew that after entering the booth, Yuuichi would tell everyone to not write anything, then he would have a reason to go on berserk and expose everyone's secrets in order to make them go to the next game, but that was not the case since he thought the outcome was already established. EVERYTHING Yuuichi has done since the begging of the game was done so he could go ALONE to the third game, ALONE, if things had became messed up because he had exposed the traitor way too early, he would not be able to reach this goal.Thomas_york said: Pranav3504 said: Also, yes, you could write 4 bad mouths saying "This guy signed in for this game" but as Yuuicji said, if he did that way, the real traitor could go on berserk and expose secrets of everyone (specially Sawaragi's) and win the game. In 4 vs 1 situation where everybody is against the traitor, the traitor would be in advantage writing bad mouths of everyoneThomas_york said: you assumed many things......so 1st if sawaragi was traitor, as we know there were 4 badmouth card in that round so as you said that she wrote one bad mouth that only she and yuichi knows as ordered by yuichi there would have been only one badmouth card so there was no gain no loss for sawaragi but if she would have written more badmouth yuichi wouldn't have known anything even if she didn't knew what was his masterplan and you would think what will she gain in this case,she can push yuichi suspicion towards other 3 guys and cleared herself.........and if I were in there place I would have written 4 bad mouths in same round here they go 1st Sawaragi signed in for this game 2nd tenji signed in for this game 3rd that short girl signed it and 4th that son of killer signed in......and we would have known it easily because management knows it..... I hope you understand please post again if I am wrong anywherePranav3504 said: In that situation (where Yuuichi asked Shiho to write a secret only both of them know) she would never write an extra bad-mouth, cause there'd be no logic nor advantage in doing so, logically speaking. In the first card Yuuichi gave to Sawaragi, he simply wrote straight orders for her, she would not know exactly what he would gain from asking those things, he was too vague in the first card he gave her.nabewry said: makes sense but still the 3 criteria on which he found out traitor doesn't fit in one box like even if they gave name tag it would show they believe in yuichi doesn't prove anything about if they wrote one or more badmouth cheatPranav3504 said: No I was enjoying it but the way yuichi found out who is traitor is bugging me and I am sure it is due to poor writing......can anyone explain me in anime they said that he told sawaragi that she should write her own secret and there were 4 other chits their and sawaragi could have written them but yuichi just assumed that she didn't write it and it doesn't make sense and how could his friend trust him and give him their name id or whatever it is called like dude even yuichi can be traitor Okay there's 2 questions. Tbh the 1st question is still kinda questionable, but I'll try to answer using my thoughts. I'll answer question 2 first since it's easier. Question 2 "Why they give the nametag easily?" I have some answers for this: 1. It simply just showed Yuuichi's skill as a manipulator, just like the commentary girls said. He's able to use sweet talks to made others believe in him. That's just what he is, it's part of his character. He's been known as a manipulator for a long time in the fandom. And what he done throughout the manga is just manipulate and deceive people every game. 2. It's regarding the method of his manipulation which is bandwagon. He said to Kokorogi that Shiho already give him her nametag. This ofc made Kokorogi lost the thought of not believe in him due to bandwagon. Mild spoiler, but later arc will show how much of a bandwagon she is, she can't made decision for herself, so in that moment, she probably thought "If Shiho give it to him, then I'll give it too". This also enhanced by her loving Yuuichi as well, so she probably doesn't want to lose to Shiho. The same logic only works on Shibe, his dumb personality also helps this process easier. 3. Regarding Shiho's case which is outside of bandwagon scheme. Well for this one, it's mostly my assumption, but there's a reason why Yuuichi target Shiho first. The reason was due to their talk before 2nd game, the one when she said she loves her and stuff. What most people don't pay attention about this event is the fact that Shiho admit that she purposely avoid the "who had the debt" conversation because she thought it was Yuuichi and she didn't want everyone to know. This means, she wanna play Tomodachi game to help Yuuichi, which can be translated to "I love you so much, I'll even do this dangerous shit for you". She even said let's work together. For now Yuuichi had 2 assumptions on Shiho: (a) She loves him so much (b) She pretend to loves him because she was the traitor Following this, asking her to do stuff and give him her nametag works on these 2 assumptions. It's kinda "prove me your love". If Shiho was (a), she'll hive it to him, since she dare to play this game for him, give him her nametag is no problem. If Shiho was (b), even if she refuse to give it to him, he could use the fact that she loves him as a threat. "I thought you love me to the point where you're willing to take a risk and play this game, why you don't believe me? I thought you said we'll work together? or is it a lie?". Basically if she refuse, it'll contradict what she said before and it'll made her sus. This is the answer for question 2 from me. Please comment if you find smt weird from this Give me some time for Question 1 This method was in fact a way to remove any suspicion out of the person under the test. Put yourself in Sawaragi's shoes, for example. After receiving a card from Yuuichi that just says "I wanna your help to find the traitor but first write a secret that only both of us know and give me your name tag as a sign of trust", what would your first thought be? I at least would think it's some kind of test to see if I'm trustworthy or not. Remember that Yuuichi didn't write anything other than those orders, therefore anyone in Sawaragi's shoes would not be 100% sure of what Yuuichi would gain from that, the first and most plausible thought is that Yuuichi was doing some test. Would you risk desobeying Yuuichi's orders without knowing the true nature of his test, specially after say that YOU (Sawaragi in this case) would trust and help Yuuichi by any means? By taking her name tag, Yuuichi is basically saying that if things don't go the way he wants, he will double her debt, it's like a warning, she would feel framed, and without a doubt under uncertain circumstances (that was Yuuichi's test) she would not risk desobeying his orders at that moment not knowing the true nature of his that test, specially after the talk they had before the 2nd game. She had to prove by any means she was trustworthy, and she could not risk lose Yuuichi's trust in that circumstances. Ok so let's creat an scenario where Sawaragi was the traitor all along. Keep in mind that the circumstances are the same, and that Sawaragi (as a traitor) is trying hard to prove she is trustworthy to the person chasing the traitor (Yuuichi, in this case, and she's trying deceive him), it's like she is trying to avoid any suspicion by gaining the trust of the person chasing for her. Thinking as a traitor, what would be the first thing you need to do before the act of betraying itself? Logically speaking, you first have to avoid any suspicion of yourself by ensuring you have are trusted by the person or the group you are involved with. There's no point in acting recklessly as a traitor when you're not even sure you're trustworthy in everyone's eyes. With this in mind, do you really think that Sawaragi (as traitor) would really desobey Yuuichi's orders writing an extra bad-mouth when the best play is to do exactly what Yuuichi wants in order to gain Yuuichi's trust and avoiding any suspicion? (specially when it's risk to desobey his orders when you don't even know what he is willing for). In summary, there'd be no advantage in desobeying Yuuichi's orders writing an extra bad-mouth, on the contrary, there'd be advantage in doing exactly as he pleased. And taking her name tag, she would be aware there'd be bad consequences if things didn't go the way he wants, she was in sort of a alert mode. Therefore, if there were an extra bad-mouth it could not be Sawaragi, logically speaking. You keep ignoring the fact that he was already sus of Tenji and keep forgeting that Sawaragi wouldn't have any reason to write an extra bad-mouth in that situation, on the contrary, she as traitor would be in advantage in doing exactly as Yuuichi pleased. Tell me then, what good reason would Sawaragi have in writing an extra bad-mouth when it's totally inconvenient for her. Again, she didn't know what would be the outcome of the orders Yuuichi gave for her, and she could not predict anything from that. Everything she would be aware is that her debt might get doubled if Yuuichi notice something strange. How would Shiho know that that orders Yuuichi gave her was to see if there were a big revelation coming from the others? Again, he was too vague in his orders. Therefore, in that situation, if there were a big reveal, it not could come from Sawaragi. |
May 24, 2022 4:43 AM
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Pranav3504 said: Isn't even assumption, it's something that if you think about it for more than 5 minutes it'd easily cross your mind, but i get what you are saying. They really could've explained this way and that's why i was pissed off the first time i saw the explanation of his plan. Although it makes sense and Sawaragi would never write an extra bad-mouth, they decided to just explain it with the: "Yuuichi took their name tag so they wouldn't betray hi, and he already suspected Tenji". Thomas_york said: ok I accept all of this assumption but did writer didn't know it why didn't they explain it in anime..........and still I could write 4 bad mouth card saying who is traitor and once I know I would tell everyone to just expose all his secrets and let him alone go to next roundPranav3504 said: Thomas_york said: again it doesn't make sense bro traitor could have done that in last round too when yuichi cornered him.....when yuichi ordered tenji to write that he is traitor he(tenji) could have exposed everyones secrets in that case too and how can traitor go berserk and expose everyone's secret but 4 people cant write secrets of one person it is lot simpler.......and to your previous reply .....lets try this, place yourself in foots of yuichi and you have ordered Sawaragi to write one badmouth and you see that there are 4 bad mouths meaning one is definitely written by Sawaragi so there are 3 other badmouth now considering you in place of Yuichi how can you be 100℅ sure and say that those 3 badmouth aren't written by SawaragiPranav3504 said: Also, yes, you could write 4 bad mouths saying "This guy signed in for this game" but as Yuuicji said, if he did that way, the real traitor could go on berserk and expose secrets of everyone (specially Sawaragi's) and win the game. In 4 vs 1 situation where everybody is against the traitor, the traitor would be in advantage writing bad mouths of everyoneThomas_york said: you assumed many things......so 1st if sawaragi was traitor, as we know there were 4 badmouth card in that round so as you said that she wrote one bad mouth that only she and yuichi knows as ordered by yuichi there would have been only one badmouth card so there was no gain no loss for sawaragi but if she would have written more badmouth yuichi wouldn't have known anything even if she didn't knew what was his masterplan and you would think what will she gain in this case,she can push yuichi suspicion towards other 3 guys and cleared herself.........and if I were in there place I would have written 4 bad mouths in same round here they go 1st Sawaragi signed in for this game 2nd tenji signed in for this game 3rd that short girl signed it and 4th that son of killer signed in......and we would have known it easily because management knows it..... I hope you understand please post again if I am wrong anywherePranav3504 said: In that situation (where Yuuichi asked Shiho to write a secret only both of them know) she would never write an extra bad-mouth, cause there'd be no logic nor advantage in doing so, logically speaking. In the first card Yuuichi gave to Sawaragi, he simply wrote straight orders for her, she would not know exactly what he would gain from asking those things, he was too vague in the first card he gave her.nabewry said: makes sense but still the 3 criteria on which he found out traitor doesn't fit in one box like even if they gave name tag it would show they believe in yuichi doesn't prove anything about if they wrote one or more badmouth cheatPranav3504 said: No I was enjoying it but the way yuichi found out who is traitor is bugging me and I am sure it is due to poor writing......can anyone explain me in anime they said that he told sawaragi that she should write her own secret and there were 4 other chits their and sawaragi could have written them but yuichi just assumed that she didn't write it and it doesn't make sense and how could his friend trust him and give him their name id or whatever it is called like dude even yuichi can be traitor Okay there's 2 questions. Tbh the 1st question is still kinda questionable, but I'll try to answer using my thoughts. I'll answer question 2 first since it's easier. Question 2 "Why they give the nametag easily?" I have some answers for this: 1. It simply just showed Yuuichi's skill as a manipulator, just like the commentary girls said. He's able to use sweet talks to made others believe in him. That's just what he is, it's part of his character. He's been known as a manipulator for a long time in the fandom. And what he done throughout the manga is just manipulate and deceive people every game. 2. It's regarding the method of his manipulation which is bandwagon. He said to Kokorogi that Shiho already give him her nametag. This ofc made Kokorogi lost the thought of not believe in him due to bandwagon. Mild spoiler, but later arc will show how much of a bandwagon she is, she can't made decision for herself, so in that moment, she probably thought "If Shiho give it to him, then I'll give it too". This also enhanced by her loving Yuuichi as well, so she probably doesn't want to lose to Shiho. The same logic only works on Shibe, his dumb personality also helps this process easier. 3. Regarding Shiho's case which is outside of bandwagon scheme. Well for this one, it's mostly my assumption, but there's a reason why Yuuichi target Shiho first. The reason was due to their talk before 2nd game, the one when she said she loves her and stuff. What most people don't pay attention about this event is the fact that Shiho admit that she purposely avoid the "who had the debt" conversation because she thought it was Yuuichi and she didn't want everyone to know. This means, she wanna play Tomodachi game to help Yuuichi, which can be translated to "I love you so much, I'll even do this dangerous shit for you". She even said let's work together. For now Yuuichi had 2 assumptions on Shiho: (a) She loves him so much (b) She pretend to loves him because she was the traitor Following this, asking her to do stuff and give him her nametag works on these 2 assumptions. It's kinda "prove me your love". If Shiho was (a), she'll hive it to him, since she dare to play this game for him, give him her nametag is no problem. If Shiho was (b), even if she refuse to give it to him, he could use the fact that she loves him as a threat. "I thought you love me to the point where you're willing to take a risk and play this game, why you don't believe me? I thought you said we'll work together? or is it a lie?". Basically if she refuse, it'll contradict what she said before and it'll made her sus. This is the answer for question 2 from me. Please comment if you find smt weird from this Give me some time for Question 1 This method was in fact a way to remove any suspicion out of the person under the test. Put yourself in Sawaragi's shoes, for example. After receiving a card from Yuuichi that just says "I wanna your help to find the traitor but first write a secret that only both of us know and give me your name tag as a sign of trust", what would your first thought be? I at least would think it's some kind of test to see if I'm trustworthy or not. Remember that Yuuichi didn't write anything other than those orders, therefore anyone in Sawaragi's shoes would not be 100% sure of what Yuuichi would gain from that, the first and most plausible thought is that Yuuichi was doing some test. Would you risk desobeying Yuuichi's orders without knowing the true nature of his test, specially after say that YOU (Sawaragi in this case) would trust and help Yuuichi by any means? By taking her name tag, Yuuichi is basically saying that if things don't go the way he wants, he will double her debt, it's like a warning, she would feel framed, and without a doubt under uncertain circumstances (that was Yuuichi's test) she would not risk desobeying his orders at that moment not knowing the true nature of his that test, specially after the talk they had before the 2nd game. She had to prove by any means she was trustworthy, and she could not risk lose Yuuichi's trust in that circumstances. Ok so let's creat an scenario where Sawaragi was the traitor all along. Keep in mind that the circumstances are the same, and that Sawaragi (as a traitor) is trying hard to prove she is trustworthy to the person chasing the traitor (Yuuichi, in this case, and she's trying deceive him), it's like she is trying to avoid any suspicion by gaining the trust of the person chasing for her. Thinking as a traitor, what would be the first thing you need to do before the act of betraying itself? Logically speaking, you first have to avoid any suspicion of yourself by ensuring you have are trusted by the person or the group you are involved with. There's no point in acting recklessly as a traitor when you're not even sure you're trustworthy in everyone's eyes. With this in mind, do you really think that Sawaragi (as traitor) would really desobey Yuuichi's orders writing an extra bad-mouth when the best play is to do exactly what Yuuichi wants in order to gain Yuuichi's trust and avoiding any suspicion? (specially when it's risk to desobey his orders when you don't even know what he is willing for). In summary, there'd be no advantage in desobeying Yuuichi's orders writing an extra bad-mouth, on the contrary, there'd be advantage in doing exactly as he pleased. And taking her name tag, she would be aware there'd be bad consequences if things didn't go the way he wants, she was in sort of a alert mode. Therefore, if there were an extra bad-mouth it could not be Sawaragi, logically speaking. You keep ignoring the fact that he was already sus of Tenji and keep forgeting that Sawaragi wouldn't have any reason to write an extra bad-mouth in that situation, on the contrary, she as traitor would be in advantage in doing exactly as Yuuichi pleased. Tell me then, what good reason would Sawaragi have in writing an extra bad-mouth when it's totally inconvenient for her. Again, she didn't know what would be the outcome of the orders Yuuichi gave for her, and she could not predict anything from that. Everything she would be aware is that her debt might get doubled if Yuuichi notice something strange. How would Shiho know that that orders Yuuichi gave her was to see if there were a big revelation coming from the others? Again, he was too vague in his orders. Therefore, in that situation, if there were a big reveal, it not could come from Sawaragi. Bur again, if you think about it the show was basically telling that Yuuichi already suspected Tenji and everything he did was to control de flow of the game. And again about the 4 bad-mouth, Yuuichi didn't do that because his plan was to go alone to the 3rd game, alone. Even if Yuuichi had known Tenji was the traitor, Yuuichi didn't want to make him play the 3rd game alone because "it would be to cruel" (i think he even says something like that). Also, as i said, in a situation where the traitor was exposed and was started a "battle" between the traitor and everyone else, Tenji would be in advantage due to how the secret works in the game. |
May 24, 2022 7:12 AM
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Thomas_york said: ok I get I am only convinced 60℅ but I don't think you can me more so thank you to convince me 60℅Pranav3504 said: Isn't even assumption, it's something that if you think about it for more than 5 minutes it'd easily cross your mind, but i get what you are saying. They really could've explained this way and that's why i was pissed off the first time i saw the explanation of his plan. Although it makes sense and Sawaragi would never write an extra bad-mouth, they decided to just explain it with the: "Yuuichi took their name tag so they wouldn't betray hi, and he already suspected Tenji". Thomas_york said: Pranav3504 said: Tenji didn't expose anyone's secret because there would be no reason for do that since Yuuichi had already said to EVERYONE write a bad-mouth about themselves, it made look like that everyone would go to the third game by bad-mouthing themselves (he thought that he would be exposed and everyone would move on to the next game already, writing a secret about them would be meaningless with that knowledge, would not change the OUTCOME) Tenji wouldn't need to write anything dude. The one thing that Tenji didn't expect is that Yuuichi would tell them to not write anything in the end. IF Tenji knew that after entering the booth, Yuuichi would tell everyone to not write anything, then he would have a reason to go on berserk and expose everyone's secrets in order to make them go to the next game, but that was not the case since he thought the outcome was already established. EVERYTHING Yuuichi has done since the begging of the game was done so he could go ALONE to the third game, ALONE, if things had became messed up because he had exposed the traitor way too early, he would not be able to reach this goal.Thomas_york said: again it doesn't make sense bro traitor could have done that in last round too when yuichi cornered him.....when yuichi ordered tenji to write that he is traitor he(tenji) could have exposed everyones secrets in that case too and how can traitor go berserk and expose everyone's secret but 4 people cant write secrets of one person it is lot simpler.......and to your previous reply .....lets try this, place yourself in foots of yuichi and you have ordered Sawaragi to write one badmouth and you see that there are 4 bad mouths meaning one is definitely written by Sawaragi so there are 3 other badmouth now considering you in place of Yuichi how can you be 100℅ sure and say that those 3 badmouth aren't written by SawaragiPranav3504 said: Also, yes, you could write 4 bad mouths saying "This guy signed in for this game" but as Yuuicji said, if he did that way, the real traitor could go on berserk and expose secrets of everyone (specially Sawaragi's) and win the game. In 4 vs 1 situation where everybody is against the traitor, the traitor would be in advantage writing bad mouths of everyoneThomas_york said: you assumed many things......so 1st if sawaragi was traitor, as we know there were 4 badmouth card in that round so as you said that she wrote one bad mouth that only she and yuichi knows as ordered by yuichi there would have been only one badmouth card so there was no gain no loss for sawaragi but if she would have written more badmouth yuichi wouldn't have known anything even if she didn't knew what was his masterplan and you would think what will she gain in this case,she can push yuichi suspicion towards other 3 guys and cleared herself.........and if I were in there place I would have written 4 bad mouths in same round here they go 1st Sawaragi signed in for this game 2nd tenji signed in for this game 3rd that short girl signed it and 4th that son of killer signed in......and we would have known it easily because management knows it..... I hope you understand please post again if I am wrong anywherePranav3504 said: In that situation (where Yuuichi asked Shiho to write a secret only both of them know) she would never write an extra bad-mouth, cause there'd be no logic nor advantage in doing so, logically speaking. In the first card Yuuichi gave to Sawaragi, he simply wrote straight orders for her, she would not know exactly what he would gain from asking those things, he was too vague in the first card he gave her.nabewry said: makes sense but still the 3 criteria on which he found out traitor doesn't fit in one box like even if they gave name tag it would show they believe in yuichi doesn't prove anything about if they wrote one or more badmouth cheatPranav3504 said: No I was enjoying it but the way yuichi found out who is traitor is bugging me and I am sure it is due to poor writing......can anyone explain me in anime they said that he told sawaragi that she should write her own secret and there were 4 other chits their and sawaragi could have written them but yuichi just assumed that she didn't write it and it doesn't make sense and how could his friend trust him and give him their name id or whatever it is called like dude even yuichi can be traitor Okay there's 2 questions. Tbh the 1st question is still kinda questionable, but I'll try to answer using my thoughts. I'll answer question 2 first since it's easier. Question 2 "Why they give the nametag easily?" I have some answers for this: 1. It simply just showed Yuuichi's skill as a manipulator, just like the commentary girls said. He's able to use sweet talks to made others believe in him. That's just what he is, it's part of his character. He's been known as a manipulator for a long time in the fandom. And what he done throughout the manga is just manipulate and deceive people every game. 2. It's regarding the method of his manipulation which is bandwagon. He said to Kokorogi that Shiho already give him her nametag. This ofc made Kokorogi lost the thought of not believe in him due to bandwagon. Mild spoiler, but later arc will show how much of a bandwagon she is, she can't made decision for herself, so in that moment, she probably thought "If Shiho give it to him, then I'll give it too". This also enhanced by her loving Yuuichi as well, so she probably doesn't want to lose to Shiho. The same logic only works on Shibe, his dumb personality also helps this process easier. 3. Regarding Shiho's case which is outside of bandwagon scheme. Well for this one, it's mostly my assumption, but there's a reason why Yuuichi target Shiho first. The reason was due to their talk before 2nd game, the one when she said she loves her and stuff. What most people don't pay attention about this event is the fact that Shiho admit that she purposely avoid the "who had the debt" conversation because she thought it was Yuuichi and she didn't want everyone to know. This means, she wanna play Tomodachi game to help Yuuichi, which can be translated to "I love you so much, I'll even do this dangerous shit for you". She even said let's work together. For now Yuuichi had 2 assumptions on Shiho: (a) She loves him so much (b) She pretend to loves him because she was the traitor Following this, asking her to do stuff and give him her nametag works on these 2 assumptions. It's kinda "prove me your love". If Shiho was (a), she'll hive it to him, since she dare to play this game for him, give him her nametag is no problem. If Shiho was (b), even if she refuse to give it to him, he could use the fact that she loves him as a threat. "I thought you love me to the point where you're willing to take a risk and play this game, why you don't believe me? I thought you said we'll work together? or is it a lie?". Basically if she refuse, it'll contradict what she said before and it'll made her sus. This is the answer for question 2 from me. Please comment if you find smt weird from this Give me some time for Question 1 This method was in fact a way to remove any suspicion out of the person under the test. Put yourself in Sawaragi's shoes, for example. After receiving a card from Yuuichi that just says "I wanna your help to find the traitor but first write a secret that only both of us know and give me your name tag as a sign of trust", what would your first thought be? I at least would think it's some kind of test to see if I'm trustworthy or not. Remember that Yuuichi didn't write anything other than those orders, therefore anyone in Sawaragi's shoes would not be 100% sure of what Yuuichi would gain from that, the first and most plausible thought is that Yuuichi was doing some test. Would you risk desobeying Yuuichi's orders without knowing the true nature of his test, specially after say that YOU (Sawaragi in this case) would trust and help Yuuichi by any means? By taking her name tag, Yuuichi is basically saying that if things don't go the way he wants, he will double her debt, it's like a warning, she would feel framed, and without a doubt under uncertain circumstances (that was Yuuichi's test) she would not risk desobeying his orders at that moment not knowing the true nature of his that test, specially after the talk they had before the 2nd game. She had to prove by any means she was trustworthy, and she could not risk lose Yuuichi's trust in that circumstances. Ok so let's creat an scenario where Sawaragi was the traitor all along. Keep in mind that the circumstances are the same, and that Sawaragi (as a traitor) is trying hard to prove she is trustworthy to the person chasing the traitor (Yuuichi, in this case, and she's trying deceive him), it's like she is trying to avoid any suspicion by gaining the trust of the person chasing for her. Thinking as a traitor, what would be the first thing you need to do before the act of betraying itself? Logically speaking, you first have to avoid any suspicion of yourself by ensuring you have are trusted by the person or the group you are involved with. There's no point in acting recklessly as a traitor when you're not even sure you're trustworthy in everyone's eyes. With this in mind, do you really think that Sawaragi (as traitor) would really desobey Yuuichi's orders writing an extra bad-mouth when the best play is to do exactly what Yuuichi wants in order to gain Yuuichi's trust and avoiding any suspicion? (specially when it's risk to desobey his orders when you don't even know what he is willing for). In summary, there'd be no advantage in desobeying Yuuichi's orders writing an extra bad-mouth, on the contrary, there'd be advantage in doing exactly as he pleased. And taking her name tag, she would be aware there'd be bad consequences if things didn't go the way he wants, she was in sort of a alert mode. Therefore, if there were an extra bad-mouth it could not be Sawaragi, logically speaking. You keep ignoring the fact that he was already sus of Tenji and keep forgeting that Sawaragi wouldn't have any reason to write an extra bad-mouth in that situation, on the contrary, she as traitor would be in advantage in doing exactly as Yuuichi pleased. Tell me then, what good reason would Sawaragi have in writing an extra bad-mouth when it's totally inconvenient for her. Again, she didn't know what would be the outcome of the orders Yuuichi gave for her, and she could not predict anything from that. Everything she would be aware is that her debt might get doubled if Yuuichi notice something strange. How would Shiho know that that orders Yuuichi gave her was to see if there were a big revelation coming from the others? Again, he was too vague in his orders. Therefore, in that situation, if there were a big reveal, it not could come from Sawaragi. Bur again, if you think about it the show was basically telling that Yuuichi already suspected Tenji and everything he did was to control de flow of the game. And again about the 4 bad-mouth, Yuuichi didn't do that because his plan was to go alone to the 3rd game, alone. Even if Yuuichi had known Tenji was the traitor, Yuuichi didn't want to make him play the 3rd game alone because "it would be to cruel" (i think he even says something like that). Also, as i said, in a situation where the traitor was exposed and was started a "battle" between the traitor and everyone else, Tenji would be in advantage due to how the secret works in the game. |
Aug 4, 2022 1:49 AM
#57
| It's a little controversial (rubs people the wrong way). A lot of talking (dry explanation). Characters with checkered past, trying to sweep it under the rug, in stead of facing it head on. This show has issues and it's characters can't make up for it unfortunately. In spite of all that I enjoyed it. |
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