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Jul 9, 2025 4:59 AM
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Exactly, I just watched the first episode and I couldn't figure out why the characters in the anime think the protagonist is weird, ugly, scary or whatever.

The first episode was mediocre and I hear that it gets good later, but if the core premise remains the same then I don't see myself making it past 3 episodes.
Jul 9, 2025 8:41 AM
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Imagine hating hating on an anime after just one episode without having learned anything about the characters background or how the plot develops.

Idk what types of shows u lot watch but here we actually have something called growth and and progression that will go way beyond "why they scared cuz he's tall? that's stupid".

I can only encourage to keep watching and if it's not for you then it's not for you. But don't give us that shit after just watching one ep and going "how did that get an 8.9?.

Obv we manga readers already know what awaits us and thus the score is that good.
You could have figured that out with 2 seconds of thought but yall just over here ragebaitin or smt idk
@DimiLopez_ glad someone said it, it's getting super annoying.
Jul 9, 2025 3:03 PM
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Ajaxxexx said:
I don't want to be unfair, but I think I'm too old for this kind of cheap manichaeism.

But NO ONE in real life would talk badly about the protagonist of this anime, no one. No one would look at someone with his appearance and build and think he's weird, evil, ugly, or anything like that.

But the anime's narrative needs to force an unrealistic drama so the otaku can wrongly identify with it and feel hurt along with the character.

It's kind of funny, the anime tries to present the boy as someone "misunderstood" and with low self-esteem at the same time that he's surrounded by friends and a seemingly good, understanding family. So… huh? Where exactly is this personality coming from?? In practice, from nowhere. Because to justify it, autor uses the laziest possible device: random crazy shadow people spouting nonsense in a completely unrealistic and senseless way.

It's almost like a version of the "Ugly Betty plot paradox" a central contradiction in the narrative: the story wants to avoid real, grounded drama that would require giving up some of the character’s positive traits, but it still depends on that kind of drama to function.

So it does things like: making the guy seem like someone who gives off a bad impression for looking grumpy and intimidating, while in practice he’s not drawn that way at all.

Wants us to believe he’s a misunderstood guy, while also showing him surrounded by friends and family who clearly understand him.

Wants to create conflict and put him in a pitiful position, but doesn’t want to give him any actually negative personality traits, so it invents these "random evil crazy people" mistreating him out of nowhere, which is absurdly unrealistic.

(ps: yeah, I know that some of these people are "arrogant teenage girls from a rich school", but even that is a cheap writing choice. Like, come on man, a school rivalry "divided by gender and social class"? What is this bullshit, a shoujo from the 80s?, No teenager actually cares what school another teenager goes to, for god's sake, this isn’t Imperial Japan)

Everything has to be 100% pleasant and contradiction-free so what you end up with is an anime that refuses to challenge the viewer in any way.

I like good romance anime, I don’t want to sound like a hater. I was looking forward to this too. But this first episode It really annoyed me, the girl is so cute and pretty, perfect, and obviously she’s going to have zero flaws and also be the victim of random crazy people, that for a moment I almost just let all this lazy writing slide right past me.

you have My Hero Academia and Dragonball as 2 of your favorites anime and still you are here talking about cheap writing in other anime’s? HAHAHAHA
@DSNicozion hahaha
Jul 10, 2025 6:34 AM
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Anime fans don't seem to care much about cliche plot conveniences.
@Zarutaku

Shounen and isekai anime fans have zero room to talk about others enjoying cliches
Jul 10, 2025 6:36 AM
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Ajaxxexx said:
I don't want to be unfair, but I think I'm too old for this kind of cheap manichaeism.

But NO ONE in real life would talk badly about the protagonist of this anime, no one. No one would look at someone with his appearance and build and think he's weird, evil, ugly, or anything like that.

But the anime's narrative needs to force an unrealistic drama so the otaku can wrongly identify with it and feel hurt along with the character.

It's kind of funny, the anime tries to present the boy as someone "misunderstood" and with low self-esteem at the same time that he's surrounded by friends and a seemingly good, understanding family. So… huh? Where exactly is this personality coming from?? In practice, from nowhere. Because to justify it, autor uses the laziest possible device: random crazy shadow people spouting nonsense in a completely unrealistic and senseless way.

It's almost like a version of the "Ugly Betty plot paradox" a central contradiction in the narrative: the story wants to avoid real, grounded drama that would require giving up some of the character’s positive traits, but it still depends on that kind of drama to function.

So it does things like: making the guy seem like someone who gives off a bad impression for looking grumpy and intimidating, while in practice he’s not drawn that way at all.

Wants us to believe he’s a misunderstood guy, while also showing him surrounded by friends and family who clearly understand him.

Wants to create conflict and put him in a pitiful position, but doesn’t want to give him any actually negative personality traits, so it invents these "random evil crazy people" mistreating him out of nowhere, which is absurdly unrealistic.

(ps: yeah, I know that some of these people are "arrogant teenage girls from a rich school", but even that is a cheap writing choice. Like, come on man, a school rivalry "divided by gender and social class"? What is this bullshit, a shoujo from the 80s?, No teenager actually cares what school another teenager goes to, for god's sake, this isn’t Imperial Japan)

Everything has to be 100% pleasant and contradiction-free so what you end up with is an anime that refuses to challenge the viewer in any way.

I like good romance anime, I don’t want to sound like a hater. I was looking forward to this too. But this first episode It really annoyed me, the girl is so cute and pretty, perfect, and obviously she’s going to have zero flaws and also be the victim of random crazy people, that for a moment I almost just let all this lazy writing slide right past me.

you have My Hero Academia and Dragonball as 2 of your favorites anime and still you are here talking about cheap writing in other anime’s? HAHAHAHA
@DSNicozion

Shounen fans are legit the worst group of anime fans in existence
Jul 10, 2025 7:03 AM
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To reply to this utter stupidity, all anime exaggerates things. The nature of animation is to exaggerate real life which is why they’re showcasing things in a drawn format because you can imagine something more than the plane of reality we operate in. Every shounen anime that yall dickride exaggerates a TON of things but it’s funny how you wanna center in on the “judgy gossip” angle here like shounen isn’t littered with that as well and in far more egregiously ridiculous ways. Are yall gonna come for Takopi as well for exaggerating the very real issue of school bullying and negligent parents/teachers? Or One Piece for the exaggerations in every arc about side characters being judged by their town who literally all hold monolithic views on them (which btw is far worse than what’s going on here)?

Im not a manga reader but just going off ep 1, the whole nature of this perspective is that it’s clear we’re getting the story told from the MC. Yes, we see some characters clearly holding this view of the MC. Yet, he has friends. When he walks in public, not every single person is mouthing off on him. It’s clear that to any person with basic art literacy, that this perspective of him being judged for looking intimidating, while holding some merit, is also a self inflicted perspective.

The main girl being portrayed as perfect and amazing is how the MC views her. Because to him, she is amazing for openly embracing him. Like this really isn’t that difficult to understand and it’s often a staple in romance anime writing for character portrayals to be based on how the main character sees them.
Jul 11, 2025 10:54 AM

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Exactly.. These plotlines with the supposedly scary boy are downright ridiculous to me. If the author wanted to introduce something like that, she could have simply made the boy look and act menacing instead of making the most normal-looking male character ever. XD I don't know how this series has such high ratings after such a cliched first episode. The dialogue is average, and the characters are boring and unremarkable. The plot is like hundreds of romance anime. Only the art style is eye-catching. Maybe later it's great, but for now, the first episode promises a typical, over-sweetened, over-dramatized romance.Maybe I'm too old for such series because they simply make me smile with pity and cringe more often than they make me feel any positive emotions,
Jul 11, 2025 8:39 PM
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This has always been an anime trope.😭😭 It's not that serious. Sorry this is a little dramatic.
Jul 12, 2025 2:25 AM

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All I heard about it is that characters cry like every two chapters and everyone is super dramatic about everything
Jul 12, 2025 2:52 AM
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Ajaxxexx said:
I don't want to be unfair, but I think I'm too old for this kind of cheap manichaeism.

But NO ONE in real life would talk badly about the protagonist of this anime, no one. No one would look at someone with his appearance and build and think he's weird, evil, ugly, or anything like that.

But the anime's narrative needs to force an unrealistic drama so the otaku can wrongly identify with it and feel hurt along with the character.

It's kind of funny, the anime tries to present the boy as someone "misunderstood" and with low self-esteem at the same time that he's surrounded by friends and a seemingly good, understanding family. So… huh? Where exactly is this personality coming from?? In practice, from nowhere. Because to justify it, autor uses the laziest possible device: random crazy shadow people spouting nonsense in a completely unrealistic and senseless way.

It's almost like a version of the "Ugly Betty plot paradox" a central contradiction in the narrative: the story wants to appropriate dramas that would require abandoning certain pre-established traits in the character’s portrayal, but at the same time it depends on those traits to function. So it does things like: portraying a guy who supposedly gives off a bad impression for seeming grumpy and dangerous, even though he's not actually drawn as grumpy or dangerous at all.

Wants us to believe he’s a misunderstood guy, while also showing him surrounded by friends and family who clearly understand him.

Wants to create conflict and put him in a pitiful position, but doesn’t want to give him any actually negative personality traits, so it invents these "random evil crazy people" mistreating him out of nowhere, which is absurdly unrealistic.

(ps: yeah, I know that some of these people are "arrogant teenage girls from a rich school", but even that is a cheap writing choice. Like, come on man, a school rivalry "divided by gender and social class"? What is this bullshit, a shoujo from the 80s?, No teenager actually cares what school another teenager goes to, for god's sake, this isn’t Imperial Japan)

Everything has to be 100% pleasant and contradiction-free so what you end up with is an anime that refuses to challenge the viewer in any way.

I like good romance anime, I don’t want to sound like a hater. I was looking forward to this too. But this first episode It really annoyed me, the girl is so cute and pretty, perfect, and obviously she’s going to have zero flaws and also be the victim of random crazy people, that for a moment I almost just let all this lazy writing slide right past me.

sounds like the same situation with bocchi the rock lol. based
Jul 12, 2025 6:58 AM
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Oh man if you thought the melodrama was bad episode 1, you ain’t seen nothing yet lmao. It reaches a level later on where I just had to stop reading.
Jul 12, 2025 5:03 PM
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You're too old for this man, this anime clearly aimed for teenagers audience. If you're like 20 or 25 years old like me then yeah I think it's safe to assume this anime is not for you.

I also couldn't bring myself to enjoy this anime as much as people did but yeah it's probably because i'm too old for this show.
@Jfs_ I know someone who's in that age range who likes this show. I'm 23 but I still my favourite romance animes are my dress up darling and dangers in my heart.
You don't have to relate to a character in order to engage with the story but at the same time I love Frieren because she's similar to me. Soft spoken, introverted and like to be engulfed in her hobbies (just replace her collecting books with drawing)

I really want to like the show but you could say I wasn't super invested because the characters are teenagers.
Jul 12, 2025 10:48 PM

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I cant stand this modern trend of hating on the very basic premise of a show because...."it cant happen in real life" or *it is very convenient".

FFS, freaking CLANNAD, Toradoa, Kimi ni Todoke, Midori Days, Senryu Shoujo, Ore no Monogatari would be unwatchable if people cared about either of these.

Dear god, there are so many slops every season with copy paste storylines and designs, and we suddenly hate on the classic romance premise?

Big, menacing looking guy that is actually a sweet boy can happen.
Girl that is the definition of angel can happen.
Schools hating each other can happen without even brining in social and/or economic differences. Rivalry between schools literally needs zero reason other than "different fucking building".

Jul 19, 2025 1:55 AM
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@Aritree It's more common to see this kind of behavior when the girl is super attractive or a model. There was a girl in my class who used to be a model, and I met her back in high school. She was way too physically developed for her age—not only was she constantly harassed by the boys, but she was also ostracized by the group of girls. It was common to hear rumors that she was a slut and disgusting comments driven purely by envy from the other girls. That girl went through hell, and most of the time she sat alone at her desk. Now, it seems like she's doing well, and I'm really happy for her.

Now, can that happen to a guy? Maybe—but I doubt a male model would be seen as someone threatening. Most likely, he’d be praised for his looks and height.

Lastly, in Japan, anyone with dyed hair is often looked down upon or seen as a delinquent. Maybe that's all there is to it, haha.

I can see that. I'm glad the chick is doing well now. I was talking more like, I knew this guy (this is in America) and he had a scary looking face so everyone would always think he was angry or glaring at them. Nice guy but he got it rough, particularly from women who just assumed he was either mean or called him creepy.
Jul 19, 2025 5:46 AM
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I kind of agree with the author of the first post here: The "drama" or the "conflict" is really lazy and kinda bad writing.. it's like they couldn't think of anything special, so they thought that these different schools "hate" each other for no reason at all, lmao.
The main chracters are both really good looking people in my book (both the woman as well as the men), so at least they are pleasing to the eye. But judging from episode 1: it's nothing special...
Sep 28, 2025 12:32 PM

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I think you have a point, but ngl, it's the closest romcom story to rl. Ig I didn't watch a more realstic romcom than this, sure it has its flaws but it's the best one so far, i mean the rest is just a cheap romance that has no relation to reality, but this one has some realism in it.
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Ajaxxexx said:
I don't want to be unfair, but I think I'm too old for this kind of cheap manichaeism.

But NO ONE in real life would talk badly about the protagonist of this anime, no one. No one would look at someone with his appearance and build and think he's weird, evil, ugly, or anything like that.

But the anime's narrative needs to force an unrealistic drama so the otaku can wrongly identify with it and feel hurt along with the character.

It's kind of funny, the anime tries to present the boy as someone "misunderstood" and with low self-esteem at the same time that he's surrounded by friends and a seemingly good, understanding family. So… huh? Where exactly is this personality coming from?? In practice, from nowhere. Because to justify it, autor uses the laziest possible device: random crazy shadow people spouting nonsense in a completely unrealistic and senseless way.

It's almost like a version of the "Ugly Betty plot paradox" a central contradiction in the narrative: the story wants to appropriate dramas that would require abandoning certain pre-established traits in the character’s portrayal, but at the same time it depends on those traits to function. So it does things like: portraying a guy who supposedly gives off a bad impression for seeming grumpy and dangerous, even though he's not actually drawn as grumpy or dangerous at all.

Wants us to believe he’s a misunderstood guy, while also showing him surrounded by friends and family who clearly understand him.

Wants to create conflict and put him in a pitiful position, but doesn’t want to give him any actually negative personality traits, so it invents these "random evil crazy people" mistreating him out of nowhere, which is absurdly unrealistic.

(ps: yeah, I know that some of these people are "arrogant teenage girls from a rich school", but even that is a cheap writing choice. Like, come on man, a school rivalry "divided by gender and social class"? What is this bullshit, a shoujo from the 80s?, No teenager actually cares what school another teenager goes to, for god's sake, this isn’t Imperial Japan)

Everything has to be 100% pleasant and contradiction-free so what you end up with is an anime that refuses to challenge the viewer in any way.

I like good romance anime, I don’t want to sound like a hater. I was looking forward to this too. But this first episode It really annoyed me, the girl is so cute and pretty, perfect, and obviously she’s going to have zero flaws and also be the victim of random crazy people, that for a moment I almost just let all this lazy writing slide right past me.


After watching all the 13 episodes, I think you have a point. I had high expectations for this anime after seeing a lot of praise for the manga, however, most of the characters are annoying. It gets tiring seeing Rintarou apologize every single episode for any minor reason, as well as any of his friends. If there was at least any nice drama, it would be okay, but most of the times it´s like "sorry for calling this time", "sorry for saying this to you" and blablabla. The only character in KaoruHana that I liked is Natsusawa.

Sure, there is a chance I might be too old for this kind of anime. However, I´m really enjoying Horimiya, which is another high school romance that also has some common shoujo cliches, except that in this one, I find the characters to be likeable.

The only reason that I might give it a second chance is because
Nov 24, 2025 5:40 PM

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Agreed, really shocked this show is rated as highly as it is.
Dec 15, 2025 5:07 AM

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Ajaxxexx said:
What is this bullshit, a shoujo from the 80s?

Yes. It's not tagged as shoujo, but it hits all the beats.
The petty conflicts and the overly sensitive male friend group gives it away.
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Dec 15, 2025 5:19 AM

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It's a really good and popular show if you see people whining about it after the first episode.
@RobertBobert It got so popular, even I gave it a chance, and I'm not normally looking out for school romances. ><
But unfortunately the complains are valid, and 5 episodes in I'm dropping it...
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Dec 17, 2025 12:28 PM
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I love the manga. I hate how right you are.
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Searching anime on MAL by score is getting really hard these days, you have a bunch of trash like this with 8.6 and higher score, idk if the newer anime fans just don't have any standards or maybe it's just that more girls are starting to watch anime, which inflates the score of productions geared towards girls, like Kaguya-sama, Apothecary Diaries, Koe no Katachi, Kimi no na wa and Fruits Basket, compared those same kind of anime from 10 years ago.

The Kaguya-sama and Apothecary Diaries scores are insane to me, i can't see them as anything above a high 7 and a low 7, respectively.
Those are not the scores i would give them, i gave them a 3 and a 2.

Dec 31, 2025 12:08 AM

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I agree with you on some things, I didn't like the manga, obviously it will be the same with the anime and I don't think it deserves such a high score, for me it's 6/10
@lainofend333 idk if your opinion changed bc its not on your list, but I agree with you. It doesn't deserve an 8.6, this shit has been so repetitive its been a drag to finish it </3
As a wise man once said, "No one hates anime more than anime fans"


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@RobertBobert It got so popular, even I gave it a chance, and I'm not normally looking out for school romances. ><
But unfortunately the complains are valid, and 5 episodes in I'm dropping it...
@JaniSIr Maybe I'm just not the target audience for this kind of show, but I thought it was just a solid, normal romance show. I mean, it's not something spectacularly unique, but I liked it overall.
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@JaniSIr Maybe I'm just not the target audience for this kind of show, but I thought it was just a solid, normal romance show. I mean, it's not something spectacularly unique, but I liked it overall.
@RobertBobert Why do you say you are not the target audience if you gave it an 8? O.o

And it is "normal" in a sense, but that word is context dependent.
I don't think the people complaining here would have watched it if it were tagged "shoujo".
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@RobertBobert Why do you say you are not the target audience if you gave it an 8? O.o

And it is "normal" in a sense, but that word is context dependent.
I don't think the people complaining here would have watched it if it were tagged "shoujo".
@JaniSIr I mean, even though melodramatic romantic shows aren't my thing, I did enjoy this one.
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