Shibou Yuugi de Meshi wo Kuu. Episode 7 Discussion

@RobertBobert Please do not patronize me by trying to ignore very valid points by saying "you should just go watch this other anime about this topic to understand".

You haven't said anything that actually refuted any of my points.

The anime cut a lot of content from the light novel. And most of it is not because they needed to pare it down. They did it because the things they cut do not serve the artsy aesthetic they've decided to go with.



These were all the parts that made Golden Bath so fantastic in the light novel. And they cut it all out, for no real reason other than to make the anime look deep and pretty.

Just finished the episode and I'm a bit confused. Why did Riko die from the shot but not Yuki? Was it a "the floor is lava" situation? Do you need to reach a certain threshold there? Was it the gold card? No clue

liked the episode otherwise

@FandomLasts4ever Dude, right now you're the one lecturing me, angry that I disagree with you. Not the other way around.

This is something grated me about this director and his previous work on Gimai Seikatsu. When I picked-up the manga adaptation of that worked and realized how much less insufferable it was I got even more annoyed about the anime adaptation.

@RobertBobert If this is what you think lecturing and being angry is, you have very skewed views on what anger and lecturing are.

I made a comment about my thoughts about the changes, you replied saying that the changes were made due to time, I point out that doesn't really apply since the adaptation did add things and that other adaptations are able to cut things down and not lose anything too major, and then you told me I need to watch Oshi no Ko to understand how adaptations work. I responded, reiterating my point, and this time using the tools of the forum to put emphasis on those points.

Now, I'm not going to respond to you anymore unless you actually have a proper rebuttal to my thoughts regarding the original topic. Good day.

This is something grated me about this director and his previous work on Gimai Seikatsu. When I picked-up the manga adaptation of that worked and realized how much less insufferable it was I got even more annoyed about the anime adaptation.

@mikasareads The floor is electrocuted, You can see cotton there, In LN it was explained that three people had died there before mishiro woke up, Its shown here and then she took charge as the leader, The shoes are electric proof and if u try to cross without them you get shot. Riko died of electrocution...

@FandomLasts4ever I know what you mean it tries to be artistic thats good and all, and ppl will be mad if I say it but you need to know the proper balance between artistic and giving room for people to understand sh!t. I also read LN and was like okie they skipped a lot for the sake of making yukki be mysterious and sh!t. I wanted to see the one player that survived after the game for a month eating grass and then ultimately dying, but that was skipped but stupid orange girl from the first chapter of this arcgot adapted...

@Rexnihilo We got to see Azuma die though, We see her corpse as mishiro is waking to a tied up Yukki, Riko left Yukki alive for mishiro...

@aldra77 Nah, Its just that mishiro has been grinding and playing more than Yukki

@RealNath Riko didnt get shot, Yuki pushed Riko and Riko got electrocuted... The guns are there for players who try to cross to exit without wearing the shoes from the lockers...

@uselessDM Spoiler: She can get an prosthetic like mishiro got of her arm and Riko got o fall of her limbs giving her super human strength...

@MenchiK1 Light Novel is superior to both adaptions, Characters are better drawn out

@Phantom_373 Candle Woods is the Gold D. Roger of Shiboyugi, Every previous game is pre Candle Wood And Every game after that is post Candle Wood...

@RobertBobert I know, You know

@Ranma-Kun Yuki took Mishiro's tag which Riko was holding on to while waiting for her after qriko died, But its more likely that Yukki just yanked Rikos shoes and wore them herself...

@mikasareads The floor is electrocuted, You can see cotton there, In LN it was explained that three people had died there before mishiro woke up, Its shown here and then she took charge as the leader, The shoes are electric proof and if u try to cross without them you get shot. Riko died of electrocution...

@FandomLasts4ever I know what you mean it tries to be artistic thats good and all, and ppl will be mad if I say it but you need to know the proper balance between artistic and giving room for people to understand sh!t. I also read LN and was like okie they skipped a lot for the sake of making yukki be mysterious and sh!t. I wanted to see the one player that survived after the game for a month eating grass and then ultimately dying, but that was skipped but stupid orange girl from the first chapter of this arcgot adapted...

@Rexnihilo We got to see Azuma die though, We see her corpse as mishiro is waking to a tied up Yukki, Riko left Yukki alive for mishiro...

@aldra77 Nah, Its just that mishiro has been grinding and playing more than Yukki

@RealNath Riko didnt get shot, Yuki pushed Riko and Riko got electrocuted... The guns are there for players who try to cross to exit without wearing the shoes from the lockers...

@uselessDM Spoiler: She can get an prosthetic like mishiro got of her arm and Riko got o fall of her limbs giving her super human strength...

@MenchiK1 Light Novel is superior to both adaptions, Characters are better drawn out

@Phantom_373 Candle Woods is the Gold D. Roger of Shiboyugi, Every previous game is pre Candle Wood And Every game after that is post Candle Wood...

@RobertBobert I know, You know

@Ranma-Kun Yuki took Mishiro's tag which Riko was holding on to while waiting for her after qriko died, But its more likely that Yukki just yanked Rikos shoes and wore them herself...

@Ranma-Kun yeah mb ur right Mishiro did'nt have a tag apparently, unless she hide one from Riko and Yuuki took it later which I don't think is that unlikely but nothing really points to it but let's ignore that for now
ok so when yuuki came back there was a tag on the floor if we ignore why the heck there's a random tag on the ground we can assume yuuki took it when well she was being destroyed by Riko, and eventually it took the bullet shot and saved yuuki
about the guns it's not explained so we can only guess the guns conviniently fired only when Riko tried to approach Yuki , maybe the timer beeps for certain time before shooting or maybe there's a distance limit which when crossed kills everyone nearby. also it's fair to assume once 2 shots are fired the guns go back in cooldown?
another possibility might be that there's a camera we can see so someone might be manually be pulling the strings which ssounds interesting, cause it can also mean someone is helping Yuuki? idk honestly there's not much info to go around
this episode was very awkward for me tbh

@DeityNyxCiara-_- Sorry, but this does not make sense either. 1st: Riko is wearing the shoes running after Yuki (the shoe thing isnt even explained at all in the anime). 2nd: You clearly see the guns have particles so they shot, there were no electrocution sound? So did it the anime wrong?

@Only_Pros I suppose I did somewhat misinterpret the scene idk it was kinda confusing the way it played out. But so like one bullet hit the tag and the other killed Riko. So I suppose yeah Yuuki did get lucky.

I thought the turrets were there so people without tags couldn't pass by but like idk the whole thing with that really confused me since they fired on them both anyways.

@DeityNyxCiara-_- Exactly! Yuki is a genuinely interesting protagonist in the light novels. But they cut her personality just to match an aesthetic. And it's a damn shame.

@Phantom_373 Yes, it makes no sense at all.

Why did Yuuki climb on the couches, did she even know the floor is electrocuted? At least WE didnt know. Also, if she had a tag all along, why did she even provoke Riko and didnt just run away? Why did the guns shoot at both?
I need these questions answered guys!

@DeityNyxCiara-_- That makes more sense, thats for sure. But its not what happened in the episode, so they f--ed it up?

@Ranma-Kun its a really confusing scene since I thought the guns were there to keep people out of the exit who don't have tags. I think Yuuki had literally just given up and was trying to take the quick way out and just provoked her for the hell of it. Maybe the gun's both targeted Yuuki and at that exact moment she saw a tag on the floor and it happened to block a bullet while the other killed Riko.

Even if that theory is right that's gotta be the biggest asspull ever honestly. Idk maybe a LN reader has better context I loved the episode but man that scene made no sense

@Phantom_373 It even looks like Yuuki shoved Riko away to guard her from the gun shots, lol. It was very horribly represented. And after Riko is dead, Yuuki pulls the tag out of her back towel and throws it on the gorund, like.. why?? Doesn't she need it anymore at this point? XD I dont frigging understand this directing.

I was really fine with the anime not explaining some things or leaving it to imagination, but this episode is, while being a bit thrilling, completely illogical!?!?

@Phantom_373 It even looks like Yuuki shoved Riko away to guard her from the gun shots, lol. It was very horribly represented. And after Riko is dead, Yuuki pulls the tag out of her back towel and throws it on the gorund, like.. why?? Doesn't she need it anymore at this point? XD I dont frigging understand this directing.

I was really fine with the anime not explaining some things or leaving it to imagination, but this episode is, while being a bit thrilling, completely illogical!?!?

Idk seeing how it turned out with yuki showing emotions and stuff, this feels like if ayanokoji suddenly had emotions. Can’t say I enjoyed it but we move. It’s not only that but she lived cuz “anime” everything felt so forced, I’ve enjoyed the anime so far but this one was a stinker imo. All that build up for a lack luster ending to the arc.

@FandomLasts4ever Reading tge argument has been fun Random Onk drops and Ayanokoji comaprision like ppl My gurl yuckiest was never an Kuudere. GET YOUR GAZES OF HER LIKE U UNDERTAND SH!T. I have been reading all three adaptions and I say anime is how Yukki remembers what happened mixed with what audience saw, Manga is what happend on front with proper expressions and LN is when it happened with all things expressed how author originally intended to w/o falling under the facade of pleasing western media...

@lVersatile What feels odd is that the super luck ending was anime only. What I remember from the books, is that there, Yuki and a few other survivors of the outdoor-group do a last ditch efford to get their golden keys back before people start leaving en masse. That efford fails miserably, as they are hopelessly outnumbered. Michiro then stops Yuki from being drowned by the mob to settle her score in a 1v1 while ordering the rest to stay back. At this point, the only living players are the entrance group (which each have a key to exit) and Yuki. After finding her will to survive, Yuki wins the 1v1 by drowning Michiro and is intimidating enough that noone tries to take revenge (since there is now a key for each remainig player, there is also no insentive to keep fighting.) At this point, Yiki has not lost any fingers. She reaches the exit, where the waiting Rika doesn't take her masters death all too well and attempts to kill Yuki. Yuki gets her arms and hands heavily mangled in trying to fight Rika's artificial limbs made from steel, but manages to get the slippers (not rubber boots) to exit. In the electric area, Rika attacks Yuki one last time. Yuki blocks her attacks with her mangled arms, loosing the fingers in the process. Eventually, she makes Rika slip, getting the girl electricuted. Her and Yukis fingers are both burned to a crisp by the electricity (which is why they cannot be reattached).

I feel like this ending has been heavily modified in order to make Yuki seem less competent.
The point of this game in the books is that Yuki conducts herself very poorly by her standards (which is still very competent, but with a few lapses in judgement that force her to rely on luck and Michiro's complex to survive.
I personally am not a fan of those changes. They close a few minor plotholes, such as a group of teammates letting Yuki drown their leader, even if that leader ordered it so, but make Yuki look like a total amateur with huge plotarmor and introduce new plotholes (the fingers went down the drain? Really? How huge are the drainholes in that bath? Are there no filters? Do the organizers let evidence like body parts get into the hands of a public institution such as the water treatment facility?)

Please keep in mind, that I've read the book over a year ago, so I may have gotte a few details mixed up in my retelling.

@DeityNyxCiara-_- They weren't random, because I was giving the person a link to an arc that explained in a clear manner why adaptations can't perfectly fit everything that was in the original word for word just as well. Because without that, they simply ignored the arguments and repeated that the anime had to somehow magically accommodate all the original material.

She just lost *her* fingers, they can still recover her using other fingers, just like when Mishiro's arm got eaten on the tenth game

@RobertBobert That is True but let's be honest I like this adaption but i prefer the LN more... Popular Shonens are not loved by everyone and Frieren though having mass appeal for an larger audience isnt loved by everyone, people have different taste and from the convo it seemed like they didn't want to discuss any further on the matter with ya, so here they didn't get the ryt to express their views w/o getting pestered

One explains it very well but let's not forget aka akasaka as a person who would ruin his ending if he gets bored out of his project, he is talented and a gr8 writer... The ayanokoji comparison were made by othe rppl and tbh I know ppl who compared qqua ayanokoji, A show is allowed to be artistic but we still never found out what was the mistake yukki committed last episode. She miscalculated there were 100 players overall and she thought of only 50. So she was overwhelmed by Mishiro team of 70 which yukki though was around 30 ppl, This led her team to enter a sucide mission where all of them died, Azumq died as a nice which i honestly live, Likes death was downplayed a lot, Human modification should have been explained, That would legit take 5 to 8 more lines to do it, There was a 20-3] second still scene after Riko died which could have been halfed, It was honestly too much... Yuki never survived through lucked she used trickery.. Calling it luck is kinda an insult to my daughter... This is why I live qyukkis agent

@FandomLasts4ever I feel like this is the problem with anime being broadcasted on TV (assuming they had to cut out a lot of part due to scheduling?). They're forced to be fit within a certain duration to not interfere with other programs.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong tho

@DeityNyxCiara-_- I'm not going to defend Aka, and frankly, the anime was so good because Doga Kobo cared about the story more than he did. I don't think I need to explain why, lmao. It's just that after ERASED, I know how much studios have to cut and simplify to fit the story into the number of episodes and budget they're given. The second season of Oshi no Ko explains this well, although Aka himself later got into it with the live-action film, which forced folks to practically rewrite the ending from scratch so that it would even make sense in theory. Anyway, to avoid spamming, I'll just write that I'm even interested in how the anime as a whole will finish at least this season.

@DeityNyxCiara-_- They weren't random, because I was giving the person a link to an arc that explained in a clear manner why adaptations can't perfectly fit everything that was in the original word for word just as well. Because without that, they simply ignored the arguments and repeated that the anime had to somehow magically accommodate all the original material.

@RobertBobert Okay, I'm actually going to respond to this because now I actually am angry.

I know how adaptations work. I'm not stupid. I know that they can't fit everything in the time frame they're given. I even said as much in a prior reply when mentioning another anime I'm following being animated by the same studio having cut a lot of information and scenes from the light novel source material for time. This isn't my first rodeo with adaptations.

My issue is they pretty much erased everything about this arc specifically and the core of this story overall for the sake of fitting a visual aesthetic rather than to actually make a well made story.

I'm not asking for a word for word adaptation of the light novel. I know I'm not going to get that. I'm asking for a competent adaptation that doesn't sacrifice a character's or even the story's personality in favor of looking pretty and edgy and deep.

And rather than give me any actual reasons from your own mouth about how I'm supposedly wrong in my opinion, you decided to just treat me like I'm an idiot and say to go watch an anime that can explain your points for you.

You weren't making arguments. You were just spouting "go watch this anime to understand my arguments".

Use your own actual words.

@FandomLasts4ever I already told you that I gave you a "link" and you're free to take it or not. You don't have to have the final say; we're not in court.

@DeityNyxCiara-_- I'm still afraid to watch the third season of Oshi no Ko because I know there will be a fourth, and I'm not entirely sure Doga Kobo will actually decide to change things. So I'm afraid of being disappointed. But okay, that's off-topic.

@RobertBobert What link?! I went and reread all your replies! There's no link to speak of!

Use your own words for once.

@FandomLasts4ever Do I even need to explain that I used the word figuratively when referring to the show I pointed you to? Seriously, for someone who clings to words, it's like you're completely ignoring context.

@RobertBobert I want to hear your own words. Not Oshi no Ko's. Especially because it's still a very sanitized look at what the industries it's portraying are actually like.

I want to hear from you, without leaning on phrases like "Oshi no Ko season 2 explains this", as to why you think my complaints about how this arc and anime are being handled are wrong. Or are you unable to do that much?

Could we please chill down. Both of u please stop this argument it wastes both of ur times. I have watched 2 more shows in the meanwhile

I'm confused as to how many games have Mishiro and Yuki played.
In ep 2 Yuki said 10th and Mishiro said 8th. But now Mishiro said that she survived 40 games while Yuki is at 30th.

I assume this ep is the truth since it's monologue. Means they both lied in ep 2?