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Mar 12, 2016 2:11 PM

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Nice action-packed episode, loved it.
Apr 24, 2016 3:06 AM

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"And then there's the question of how a 10 year old girl aged into an old woman 16 years after her kidnapping. I don't even want to imagine what happened in that time."

Basically the girl got kidnapped when she was 10 and was probably raped and tortured like hot cakes for 16 years. I guess they decided not to elaborate on it in the name of good taste. :S
I think she may have been experimented on, too. The Major and Togusa had a conversation in the middle of the episode about the possibility of her having been cloned, and I think this is supposed to imply that - not necessarily that they wanted to clone her, but that she was experimented on. It would make sense - if they captured someone with a cyberbrain, they'd likely want to take them apart and see how they worked.

The cyberization itself had to be a factor too. Especially since she was one of the earliest cyberized people, there were probably issues and defects that weren't caught early. I mean, you mess with the brain, you're probably messing with the glands and hormones and pathways that control physical aging...

I think it's nice that they left it open-ended, though. Most shows wouldn't be able to pull it off, but GitS, I think, earns the benefit of the doubt since its storytelling is so intelligent and solid overall. They tell the story, and then give you enough hints to ask you to piece the conclusion together yourself.

edit: wait, actually she had to have been cloned. Her DNA and her "daughter's" DNA were an exact match. There's no way that would've happened if her daughter was born naturally. So I think the cloning thing is right.
^Exactly what I thought

This was definitely the best Stand Alone episode so far

I love how the anime actually managed to handle the topics of rape and torture in a mature way (unlike most other anime)
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Sep 30, 2016 8:17 AM

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I have so many questions about this episode
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Jan 10, 2017 3:28 PM

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The more i think about this episode, the sadder it gets. What happened to eka must have been grave, for her to age so. She mustve been raped, humiliated in inhumane ways and worse. Really do feel for her. I guess her aging was due to this or something much darker. I liked the action sequence tjough, loving the cast even more!
Feb 5, 2017 11:58 AM
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Does anyone know the name of the song that plays during the action scene? I did some digging, but found nothing.
Feb 5, 2017 4:37 PM

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sroubinno said:
Does anyone know the name of the song that plays during the action scene? I did some digging, but found nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13RCQNUyI4
Feb 13, 2017 4:16 PM

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It was okay, pretty silly how rapidly she aged though. Stressed induced "aging" doesn't quite work that way. xPP
Feb 19, 2017 5:32 AM
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TopgunUK said:
sroubinno said:
Does anyone know the name of the song that plays during the action scene? I did some digging, but found nothing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l13RCQNUyI4
Thanks for doing all the work for me, appreciate it!
Aug 20, 2017 10:20 PM

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Fuck, now I wanna know what made her age so much.
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Dec 13, 2018 12:39 PM

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Well, they're leaving things to our imagination again. But it's probably for the better that they didn't show what exactly happened during those 16 years.

I'm honestly impressed by how well this show handles the themes in each episode.

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Jan 30, 2019 1:31 PM

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Interesting little point in this episode that cyborgs eat different food than natural humans.
Apr 20, 2019 9:35 AM

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One thing that no one noticed is that major saw through all of that horrifying things that CEO's daughter went through and still remained sane. It implies that Motoko must have had even worse experiences herself that's why she's able to handle this one calmly. I'm scared only to imagine just her rapid aging I can't even think about what motoko must've gone through
May 12, 2020 4:56 PM
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Weakest episode so far. Story was meh, the plot twist is kinda predictable, and overall way too action packed, like something that could be proposed by Black Lagoon or something, it really lacked direction.
As for the girl's mystery, I guess she endured tortures and brutal cybernetization over those 16 years, and her body was probably deeply impacted.
Action was really enjoyable, at least, this series obviously is heavily budgeted.

But yeah bland episode, back to more serious business now I hope, whether it's Stand alone or Complex !
Jan 20, 2021 1:39 PM

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Lol the tachikomas are so funny <3

I also wonder how the girl aged like that. The only way to find out is to reject my humanity I guess haha
Aug 9, 2021 1:38 PM
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Holy shit this is some movie quality shit, just look at those layouts
Oct 10, 2021 11:28 PM

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This show has a good mixture of some philosophical moments and brute force action, ay I'm here for it
Jul 22, 2022 11:58 AM

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idk this anime is very hit and miss
Nov 17, 2022 8:13 PM
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Okay, Motoko might be best girl, but Tachikoma is absolutely second best girl.
Dec 6, 2022 10:32 PM
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I get the general idea, but I don't quite get what happened in this episode. Still good though of course.


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Jun 9, 2023 12:57 PM

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Love the action scenes in this epsiode. They make up for many of the previous episodes not really having much combat. The tachikoma were the highlight of the episode in both the action and the dialogue department, though the ending scene where Section 9 discuss the context behind the kidnapping was also something to make note of. Seems like this case had more of an effect on Motoko than most.

Eka was one of the first to receive a cyberbrain, so maybe cyberbrain tech was still rudimentary at the time, with side effects like rapid aging if something goes wrong with them.


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Feb 14, 2024 1:52 AM
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A scattered but good episode. I did not understand much except from the comments
4/5
May 5, 2024 9:30 AM
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Love the action scenes in this epsiode. They make up for many of the previous episodes not really having much combat. The tachikoma were the highlight of the episode in both the action and the dialogue department, though the ending scene where Section 9 discuss the context behind the kidnapping was also something to make note of. Seems like this case had more of an effect on Motoko than most.

Eka was one of the first to receive a cyberbrain, so maybe cyberbrain tech was still rudimentary at the time, with side effects like rapid aging if something goes wrong with them.
@Archean-Return

I agree that cyberbrain tech was not advanced at the time and could be one of the reasons of her aging that fast, but wouldn't it be much easier (in terms of practical and economic reasons etc.) to set put a self destruction mode or disable her smh instead of rapidly aging her in case smth went wrong?
May 5, 2024 9:42 AM
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- soldier went nuts because he connected to aged Eka and saw everything she experienced in those 16 years since she was kidnapped - most likely rape

- existence of her daughter is probably because she was raped since she was 16 year old

- her daughter being terrorist leader could be because her father who raped her mother was previous leader, and she inherited title


Corrected in bold. She was 16 when she was kidnapped. When she was rescued she was 32. I was perplexed by what happened initially, but once it was revealed her daughter didn't have the cybernetic implants I got it immediately. I didn't want to believe it since it was pretty horrifying, but its definately believable. Look at President Obama's photo 8 years ago, look at him now, and that's just through the stress of presidency. Imagine Eka's torture and trauma she went through in 16 years held hostage my a terrorist organization (rape, beatings, verbal abuse, etc.). That's how its believable for me. What also gave her traumatized mind away was when the gunshot was fired before Mokoto raided the room. If you listen to the daughter she's yelling at her mom saying she shouldn't leave herself alone and stay with her at all times, implying the mother wanted to shoot herself and end her misery (much like the counter-terrorist that went insane after linking with the old woman; the memories were just too much). This was a deep deep episode of just how shocking people can be...look at any extremist today and ask..."How are people even capable of so much hate/cruelty?"
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Agree with you.
It was also implied that the mother had tried to end her life many times before as the daughter irritated mentions that she is tired of it.
May 5, 2024 11:03 AM

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irisld said:
I agree that cyberbrain tech was not advanced at the time and could be one of the reasons of her aging that fast, but wouldn't it be much easier (in terms of practical and economic reasons etc.) to set put a self destruction mode or disable her smh instead of rapidly aging her in case smth went wrong?
As I recall, there wasn't any explanation given for Eka's rapid ageing in this episode at all. Some say the "stress from being held hostage" (and whatever occurred during that period) aged her prematurely, but this seems to be too extreme a case of that for a mere 16 years. If there was some defect in the first cyberbrains that lead to, say, a rapid shortening (and/or division) of telomeres in the body, then we can assume that defect was ironed out before it ever needed to be compensated for with fail-safe resorts.

Eka was also the daughter of a CEO that was pioneering this cyborg tech, so on top of receiving a cyberbrain that was possibly still in a beta or unfinished state, she may have been subject to other experimental tech the company was developing as well.


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Even so, being raped and tortured for 16 years doesn't make you age to the point where you turn into an old lady.

I agree. Everyone just foresees this fact. It's TOO ambiguous of an episode. Kinda like a half-assed episode to me. Everyone just goes "Oh, action! Oh, Tachikoma!"
I can see why she has a daughter now though; got it from all the raeps. But why the daughter became leader of the group is another question. A question that Batou himself asked. And then we are all left to dry. No questions answered.

The fact that the SST (As translations have it. I assume it stands for Special Security Team. Wikipedia.) member was shaken up by mere "rapes" and "tortures" is another thing. You would think trained soldiers would be a little more apathetic to these situations.


I think she may have been experimented on, too. The Major and Togusa had a conversation in the middle of the episode about the possibility of her having been cloned, and I think this is supposed to imply that - not necessarily that they wanted to clone her, but that she was experimented on. It would make sense - if they captured someone with a cyberbrain, they'd likely want to take them apart and see how they worked.

The cyberization itself had to be a factor too. Especially since she was one of the earliest cyberized people, there were probably issues and defects that weren't caught early. I mean, you mess with the brain, you're probably messing with the glands and hormones and pathways that control physical aging...

I think it's nice that they left it open-ended, though. Most shows wouldn't be able to pull it off, but GitS, I think, earns the benefit of the doubt since its storytelling is so intelligent and solid overall. They tell the story, and then give you enough hints to ask you to piece the conclusion together yourself.

edit: wait, actually she had to have been cloned. Her DNA and her "daughter's" DNA were an exact match. There's no way that would've happened if her daughter was born naturally. So I think the cloning thing is right.
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You 're probably right about the clone theory, even though I had completely denied it at first. The more you think about it the more it adds up:

1. First of all, the philosophy of that terrorist group was totally opposite to cyberization, so why would (even if they could) mix their DNA with the mother's and most importantly why would the leader proceed to that action and risk to get "infected" / get "dirty" by a not natural form of life instead of a soldier?

They probably kidnapped her to experiment on her and show off their power. They got themselves a prize, which was one of a kind back then (or at least extremely rare). Even if they raped her, they would not have done it only once, but multiple times either the leader or and the soldiers. That means many many kids over the 16 years of captivity, not just one.

2. If one takes a close look at the evidence that the soldier from the advanced team had in his backpack (comb, toothbrush etc.), one will notice that the hair on the comb is black (daughter's hair) not white (mother's hair). The evidence was recently collected so one can't argue that it could have been the mother's old hair. The mother's very whitish grey hair is emphasized a lot in the episode. And even in the case that they both used the same objects, the DNA data analysis would have shown multiple DNAs, one of which would have been similar to the one of the mother, which would have already raised thoughts. The latter would have been important enough to get mentioned in the briefing of the mission, but Section 9 gets confused and surprised as they start adding up the puzzle.

3. It might not seem very important to some, but even the behaviour of the "mother" isn't mother-like at all. The mother-daughter relationship lacks some serious bonding. The mother instinct is absent in every scene and dialogue. It feels more like a submissive relationship, follower - leader, more like an obligation. Moreover, her "daughter" is always addressing her as "mother', although Eka never responds to it. She never addresses her as "daughter". Eka was 16 when she was kidnapped, so she must have had a mother model of some kind. Even if a mother has gone through hell, she would have protected her precious only child when strangers came attacking (Section 9). Even if that child reminds her of her pain, she would have taken some kind of action. But no. Eka was relieved when she was taken away from that place. It was her salvation and that is probably why she collapsed once her safety was secured. She was captive, always stressed, always aware of her actions, always frightened, but now she was finally free.

So another question rises. If the daughter is actually a clone, how did she end up the leader?

Assuming the daughter is the natural daughter of Eka, the mother was probably raped by the leader, thus she inherited the title. However, a clone can't be produced like that. So, my theory is that no matter the upbringing of the clone, she felt closer to its original "the mother", that's why she keeps addressing Eka like so. One can't and won't be allowed to grow close to a soldier nor the leader in a terrorist group. Seeing the hell her "mother" was going through (and maybe even experiencing it through memories/ feelings etc. that were passed down on her while she was being created), she decided to end the hell and save her "mother". The clone as a precious item would have been at times near the leader so at some point she took a chance and ended his life. The terrorist group could not have killed her even if she committed a huge crime by killing their leader, because she - a clone of an early cybernized person- was too precious of an achievement.The terrorist group being archaic compared to the rest of the world, might just have accepted her as their leader since she was strong and capable enough to kill their last one - a common tactic to some groups. Also, the clone was trained as she knew how to use weapons and very skilled as she escaped pretty easily from 2 members of Section 9, Togusa and Saito, once out of the Tachikoma. Only Batou, the physically strongest member, was able to stop her and she was surprised by that. So, although young she was a strong and unique leader.
Aug 4, 2024 7:07 PM

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The worst kind of SAC episode - too much focus on dumb meaningless action, so the story is simplistic and the "resolution" amounts to a shrug. Why even bother to initially pretend that the story might be interesting if the only purpose of the episode is to fulfill some quota for amount of gunfire within an X episode span?
Aug 23, 2024 12:18 AM

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My prediction that she was against her cyberization and wanted to join the terrorist group was pretty off.

To cause her to age at least 70 years and have a child in 16 years, some pretty awful things must of happened to her. It's definitely a good thing no one else linked up to her.
Jan 23, 12:20 PM

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At least the former rebel leader father is presumed dead. 5/10 - Meh.
Feb 22, 11:56 AM
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One of the best episodes by far!
May 3, 9:48 AM
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a lot of unnecessary action, but almost nothing was said about Eka, meh 3/5
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