DmonHiro said: Short answer: yes. Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Only way it would have been worse is if he also raped her... which I think he did. gaudylakin said: He did. That's debatable, its part of his BAD END. It's called a BAD END for a reason. Umeko said: Whoa, details plz. Was that cut out of the anime, or did it happen during one of her drug-induced blackouts, or...? No, it didn't happen in the anime because they did his happy end aki3chan said: Can you give examples? I heard plenty of otome games but none which would include the heroine being raped. They're mostly R-18 games, kinda like eroge |
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S_Yukina said: He is a possessive person, but that doesn't make him a bad boyfriend. I mean I think every boyfriend is like that, isn't it? wanting his girl for his own. Though he wasn't really her boyfriend from the very beginning, he pretended to be. but i think this is very common, he wanted her so badly that he lets his greed taking over him. which happens a lot in reality I don't even know what to say to this. If that's what you expect from a relationship, then I feel REALLY bad for you. |
S_Yukina said: He is a possessive person, but that doesn't make him a bad boyfriend. I mean I think every boyfriend is like that, isn't it? wanting his girl for his own. Though he wasn't really her boyfriend from the very beginning, he pretended to be. but i think this is very common, he wanted her so badly that he lets his greed taking over him. which happens a lot in reality Toma really has no excuse for his actions, especially when Ukyo's backstory is revealed. Then again Ukyo might just be a special case but still, there is absolutely no justification for Toma's actions. |
| Why is Yano Motoharu on that list. |
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| Hell no. Toma is the best. If you know the video game, thier are good ends and bad ends to each character. Toma is yandere, but is still genuinly a nice person. At leasts he is one of the normal people. Unlike the murderers and weird supernatural power-ed people out there |
TheLilyanna said: Toma is yandere, but is still genuinly a nice person. At leasts he is one of the normal people. Unlike the murderers and weird supernatural power-ed people out there Toma being a 'nice' person is debatable considering: 1. He murdered her in Shin's bad end (and implied that he's murdering Shin too) 2. Murdered the fangirls in Ukyo's bad end 3. Murdered Ukyo once 4. Ukyo said that Toma is the most difficult guy to get a good end with implying that she gets normal or bad ends with him most of the time. Hopefully it's the normal end because the bad end involves her being caged forever with implied rape. Unlike Ukyo, he didn't have justifiable/understandable reasons for murder/insanity. He just....went insane all on his own. So yeah, he might be nice when nothing is pressuring him to snap but he's far from normal. |
minescopeMar 25, 2013 6:54 AM
| Question: Did a lot of you guys even read his whole route, all ends, good and bad, from the games? If not then your opinion is biased on the anime only and can't really count for much. There are good and bad ends for reasons. The anime did the good route obviously. Toma is a TSUNDERE. It's the character type he is. And also before you guys go on bashing Toma for his faults, why don't you take a gander at KENT'S game route. He's an ASSHOLE to the heroine on a psychological level. Sure he doesn't lock her in a cage or anything like that but in some ways he's really no better. Also I didn't see anyone from the Mirai Nikki fandom bashing Yuno for her twisted, selfish, personality. She deserves more critique than Toma imo. Not to mention if some of you guys are having this hard a time with Toma's character, then I'd really love to see how you fair when Diabolik Lovers get animated. Truly. |
StarPebblitMar 25, 2013 9:44 AM
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KayChan4U said: Toma is a TSUNDERE. It's the character type he is. And also before you guys go on bashing Toma for his faults, why don't you take a gander at KENT'S game route. He's an ASSHOLE to the heroine on a psychological level. Sure he doesn't lock her in a cage or anything like that but in some ways he's really no better. Sure Toma may have blushed a few times in game, but I don't think he's tsundere at all. I'd think of Kent as this antisocial insensitive nerd, but at least he gained some senses and actually cared for her, but not the possessive crazy caring type Toma expressed. As minescope said, Toma did some awful things to the MC. As for Kent, the only thing he did was For Amnesia, we saw Toma and a cage. In Amnesia Crowd, prepare yourself for Toma and ... |
| If hi is the worst than why is he #1 favorite in this pool :D http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=566995 |
The real world is past the virtual world is future. |
| Because people are dumb. (I'm joking, I'm not calling anyone dumb for their character preferences, though I sincerely don't understand how anyone can choose Toma over any of the other guys.) |
| Apparently the poll was created the same day/day after (depending on the channel) episode 9 aired, so... :/ |
DmonHiro said: Short answer: yes. Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss Only way it would have been worse is if he also raped her... which I think he did. Well if I remember right Either way Toma was a nutcase. He started out as my favorite one cause he seemed like he was going to be a laid back, carefree dude. Oh boy though, complete wack job. |
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| Ughhh...yeah Toma's kind of cuckoo in the head and as much as I love how he acts like an older brother and tries to protect the heroine...this guy totally does not make for a good boyfriend. He's definitely admirable in the sense that he really cares about her and does whatever it takes to protect her...but his obsession with possessing and controlling her is extremely creepy. Not the kind of guy I'd want as a boyfriend. I get shivers down my back thinking about all the things he could potentially do to a girl. He literally acted as if the heroine was a freaking doll and as much as she is unresponsive and acts more dead than alive...she is a human being not a freaking pet. If you think about it...he does treat her like a pet by ordering her around. Srsly a guy I wouldn't want to be around. |
KayChan4U said: Toma is a TSUNDERE. It's the character type he is.It's the character type he is. And also before you guys go on bashing Toma for his faults, why don't you take a gander at KENT'S game route. He's an ASSHOLE to the heroine on a psychological level. Sure he doesn't lock her in a cage or anything like that but in some ways he's really no better. Tsundere's may act tough and act a different way than they really feel to hide their softer and more sensitive side...but in no way does being a "tsundere" justify the act of locking the girl you love in a cage. Clearly there's something wrong with a person mentally if they lock a person in a cage even to protect them. I'm not saying he's really a bad person, but when someone is psychologically unstable and obsessing over keeping a person to themself and even going as far as caging them that is a person you DON'T want to be around no matter how nice or kind they may have been. People change, and of course it's not impossible to revert back to how he was before he became overly obsessive, however the fact is that he did change and is ill. KayChan4U said: Also I didn't see anyone from the Mirai Nikki fandom bashing Yuno for her twisted, selfish, personality. She deserves more critique than Toma I think you bring up a big point. People think it's okay for Yuno whenever she wants to kill all of Yuki's friends or even chain him up to restrict him from being with anyone but her, but if you watched Mirai Nikki you should know what that did to him right? Is chaining someone you love to keep them away love? It means you don't trust them enough to stay with you, and you obviously are overly possessive for trying to take away to freedom of someone you love. Yuno is really messed up in the head, and there is no denying that she is but I never thought that was an excuse for her to do all the horrible things she did. Before she turned twisted, she was a bashful girl full of hopes and dreams for the future, trusting of people, and that's the person that Yuki fell in love with...what she became was the complete opposite. Toma may be in quite a similar position. He was a prince to the heroine, always protecting her and helping her in times of trouble...this is the person she fell in love with. What he became after obsessing over protecting her is not. Same people, different state of mind is what I'm trying to say I guess. |
EarlCielMay 10, 2013 4:14 PM
| in Amnesia he was definitely the worst.. WTH was he thinking with the cage and all --' but still, I don't think he's the worst of all times! |
| What? I don't think toma was the worst o.o I like him so mush, we was so cute, yeah he kinda exagerated with the cage part and sleeping pills. but I like him, form me he was the best, he was fun, it wasn't borring, i like boys that are always energetic and lively. So yeah he is kinda overprotective and possessive, my boyfriend is like that too, but if isn't exageraded i think is not bad. And the heroine knew that he wasn't like that, and she knew that he only want to protect her. |
| Surprisingly he's not the worst. Maybe his desire to protect was extreme. . . So don't go on like he hit her or even abused her. He locked her in a cage to keep her away from harm's way, including him too. |
| I wouldn't exactly consider him as the worst boyfriend since Heroine and Toma weren't actually going out. But if they were obviously especially if it were reality he'd be the worst boyfriend. I mean seriously! Who the heck locks some girl in a frickin cage to "protect her"? And I also hate the fact that Heroine could just casually sit there with some cute toys surrounding her as if she's a frickin toddler. I seriously don't get why there were so many problems with this anime. |
| i kind of agree ^^' haha o a side note, though, even though he was on the list, i still love Takumi -i'm very sorry. |
| Definitely yes... I don't get people who love a guy that cages a girl 'to protect her'. He's creepy. |
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| I am not endorsing his actions. But I could see locking one of my two little sisters in a cage (temporarily until i came to my senses or terminated the threat.) if i felt there were people out to kill her and I was finding daily phone and physical threats made at her... and that sister decided to continually, wile being confused and while being sick, wander off and get hurt. (while he is not her sibling he grew up acting like one and i don't think he raped her or messed with her more than hugging her while she was awake)... the question I find more disconcerting than if he was "the worst boyfriend" or not is more is... did she just not poop or pee for 3 or 5 days! I am a nurse, let me tell you, people in coma's still have to go to the restroom. Seriously if someone wanted to lock me up for my own safety, lock me up in the bathroom, please. |
| ~ * my number is 3 * ~ _._ : l 'o' ( ; _-_ : ( T.T &: .~. : P >.< |
| Pretty much. |
| Rather than just Toma being the 'worst boyfriend' it's more like he's one of the worst CHARACTERS out of all the anime seasons I've watched to date. I really don't understand how anyone can like/ support him. He actually ruined the series and they gave him two and a half dreadful episodes (almost as bad as each episode of W: Wish in my opinion) |
Fullmetal Alchemist Lover here^.^ |
| Toma is not worst, he`s a good guy, he loved Heroine so much and wanted to protect her no matter what, even if it means being hated by the one you love, he always was carefull and soft with her, he didn`t want anything to happen to her, because he loved her so much, that`s why he caged her, because it was safe there, but when she was leaving the house something bad always happens because of Ikki`s fans. He knew that something bad it will happen to her if she leave the house, but she always leave the house that`s why he caged her. |
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