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I doubt that this club can support a formalized cross-examination debate.

However, it might be possible to post an example of how sophistries can flourish in informal verbal conflicts.

The following refers to posts in the UFO thread at

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=40043





Post #82

As I am mostly uninterested in UFOs, of course I won't make much of an effort.
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Also, again, given our current comprehension of physics, interstellar travels are costly, long and would require vast infrastructure to undertake.
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I could also submit that they were intradimensional travellers, super-squirrels with super-advanced cloaking technology who live in invisible and cities above our cities, they are wizards, or whatever. All of these explanations would assume about as much as the alien explanation would.


This established your claim:
You claimed that interstellar travel must be costly, but notably you did not cite *anything* to prove your claim - not a textbook, not a journal, not a supposed authority such as Hawking.

Post #85
I quoted your claim that interstellar travel had to be costly.


Further, if you had even glanced at the disclosure project link, you would have noted that interstellar travel is probably very cheap.


I further specified Mallove and dimensional travel as details of the actual claims of the UFO proponents (such as Mitchell). The dimensional travel detail was obviously relevant to your "intradimensional" comment in post 82.

Post #96

You claimed without proof:

lol, that's a common misconception of Occam's razor.


In effect you were citing yourself as an authority in the field. You gave no textbook, no literature reference, no proof that you have ever read a single book about Occam.

In addition to this relatively clear claim, you also posted a bunch of ungrammatical nonsense to which I referred in post #100.

Post #99

I asked you to stop citing yourself as an authority on Occam's Razor and to provide a citation, which you sidestepped in Post # 105.

Post #100

I identified your ungrammatical nonsense as a stalling tactic, and called your bluff on your flip-flopping positions, your red-herring invocation of ZF theory, etc.

Post #105
You wrote a factually untrue claim:

I gave a bunch of minimal assumptions the alien hypothesis had to have to work, you claimed that it seemed biased, I asked what of it was biased, and you did not point any out.


That is where you stepped into verifiable, documentable untruth. You specified the costliness of interstellar travel in Post #82; I specified exactly that issue in Post #85.

I had in fact pointed it out, but either you don't bother to read my posts or you just enjoy lying to get a rise out of strangers on the Internet.

Now, documenting your confidence-game would be a thankless task if there weren't already a debate club in existence. Your sophistries provide an excellent example of the kind of behavior that a formal debate must exclude in order to function.

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