[12:15:01 PM] avelys: I didn't think it would feel that short
[12:15:05 PM] avelys: The chapters felt so short :o
[12:15:38 PM] Jatz .: Yeah. When I saw it was 12 chapters, I thought the chapters would be 30-40 pages
[12:15:47 PM] avelys: How long were they?
[12:15:49 PM] avelys: Let me check
[12:16:07 PM] Jatz .: 18-22ish
[12:17:24 PM] avelys: yeah, damn,
[12:17:34 PM] avelys: What did you think of the art? I thought it was pretty different'
[12:18:27 PM] Jatz .: Yeah. It was ok.
[12:18:31 PM] avelys: It was very simple. Not that much detail to the background
[12:18:39 PM] Jatz .: Nothing amazing, but nothing bad.
[12:19:07 PM] Jatz .: The backgrounds did look better. Yeah.
[12:19:15 PM] avelys: It kinda reminded me a little of this manga http://myanimelist.net/manga/12569/not_simple
[12:20:13 PM] Jatz .: Oh. I need to read that. It has a physical release. (mm)
[12:21:19 PM] Zenny from the Block: I remember that, we read it during the first book club (nod)
[12:21:34 PM] avelys: Overall, I enjoyed reading the manga. I do think it lacked a lot more depth than I wanted but I didn't hate it. I thought there was a lot of sex scenes, but I think her trying to find herself and explore her sexuality was kinda warranted. Especially if she's an author and wants to explore certain aspects of herself. The stories she's been writing have been pretty much autobiographical and she shines best when she writes about herself, apparently. I kind of understand why she would put herself through this sort of emotional turmoil to produce better works.
[12:22:05 PM] Koen: am here :3
[12:22:20 PM] avelys: I think it would've been sooo much better if it was developed more, idk.
[12:22:43 PM] Koen: I am not really fond of people who cheat :S
[12:23:00 PM] Koen: so I kind of disliked the happy ending of the person who was two timing
[12:23:19 PM] avelys: Yeah, I don't really agree with what she did but I can understand it. You kind of tend to pull yourself away from reality and just explore when you want to write a book.
[12:23:33 PM] avelys: I felt bad for the guy :(
[12:23:42 PM] avelys: He really loved her, man.
[12:24:03 PM] Koen: yes. and she continued dating him
[12:24:05 PM] Koen: that's just rude
[12:24:16 PM] avelys: I think that's what was missing. We got a lot of her thoughts and feelings but her two lovers didn't get as much explanation so it felt lacking. I want to know more about her lesbian lover and the dude too. So much more.
[12:24:23 PM] Jatz .: The art Indigo Blue reminded me a bit about this
[12:24:23 PM] Jatz .: http://myanimelist.net/manga/1557/Pietà
[12:24:37 PM] Koen: oh I've read pieta :o
[12:24:37 PM] Jatz .: It was an underwhelming yuri too
[12:24:48 PM] avelys: That looks like a pretty cover
[12:25:20 PM] Jatz .: Yeah. I didn't like how the main girl got a happy ending after how she strung both of them along.
[12:26:06 PM] Jatz .: It was pretty s****y of her. I get she wasn't sure, but her inner monologues saying that she loved one and not the other kind of made her feelings obvious
[12:26:13 PM] avelys: I really was struck with her figuring out who she was and what she liked. I would've liked it if both of her lovers left her so she could figure out her shit.
[12:26:39 PM] Jatz .: Pretty much used the guy for sex. What a nymphomaniac
[12:27:05 PM] avelys: Idk, I think she was convinced she felt a certain way but kind of lied to herself about the feelings with the guy. She even admitted to him that she did enjoy being with him in the end --something she wouldn't have admitted before
[12:27:55 PM] Jatz .: I would've liked if there were a few more chapters so that her reconciliation was more than "hey yuri partner! I'm here to meet you" "oh yuri partner, if you didn't show up I would be moved on. Now I forgive you"
[12:28:05 PM] avelys: Do you guys think this would've been more straightforward if they were both the same gender? Or them being different genders kind of warrants her confusion?
[12:28:25 PM] Koen: nope
[12:28:28 PM] avelys: Her lovers, I mean.
[12:28:49 PM] Koen: i mean the manga kind of excuses itself by this shift in gender
[12:28:52 PM] Koen: but cheating is cheating
[12:28:53 PM] Jatz .: Probably would've been worse if she cheated on another guy
[12:29:07 PM] Koen: if it was two men it was just as much cheating as with a men and a woman
[12:29:25 PM] Koen: it is just that this manga tries to say "it's different this cannot be considered cheating"
[12:29:33 PM] Koen: and that is what I dislike about the manga
[12:29:33 PM] avelys: I think them being different genders kinda feels like there's an added excuse for her wavering. She's not only determining who she loves most, but her identity. Is she straight, bi, gay... ?
[12:30:02 PM] avelys: But yeah, cheating is still cheating
[12:30:07 PM] Jatz .: Yeah. Having it with another woman makes it feel like she's embarrassed to admit the truth
[12:31:01 PM] avelys: It was nice seeing her smile and laugh when she was with the girl vs her being cold and distant when she's with the guy. Her body was being honest while her mind was still confused.
[12:31:01 PM] Jatz .: It was funny how the guy notices all her works are a mirror on her life, except for the latent yuri and cheating lel
[12:31:07 PM] avelys: YEAH
[12:31:08 PM] avelys: I was like
[12:31:09 PM] avelys: Bro
[12:31:15 PM] Koen: I mean he kind of knew
[12:31:19 PM] Koen: he just choose not to believe it
[12:31:20 PM] avelys: I wasn't sure if he was suspicious
[12:31:28 PM] Jatz .: I'm guessing the guy knew
[12:31:30 PM] avelys: Or pretending it didn't affect him. Maybe he was hoping it.
[12:31:38 PM] avelys: YEah
[12:31:39 PM] Koen: but denied it. first stage is denial (nod)
[12:31:44 PM] Jatz .: Yeah. He defo knew, but hoped it wasn't true
[12:31:46 PM] avelys: especially when he compared it to that classmate lmao
[12:32:26 PM] avelys: I wish the yuri relationship developed more. It felt like an experiment because of the lack of focus
[12:32:33 PM] avelys: I thought she would go back to the guy tbh
[12:33:03 PM] avelys: Just didn't feel believable. Especially how they "fell in love" when it looks like all they do is have sex LOL
[12:33:09 PM] Jatz .: That would probably have been better than the current ending (chuckle)
[12:33:23 PM] avelys: Yeah, I didn't really buy it
[12:33:38 PM] avelys: But I enjoyed reading it. I think the feel of the manga was nice. It felt mature, bleak, sad
[12:33:39 PM] Jatz .: No. The sex with the girl makes her feel special so she definitely loves her
[12:33:54 PM] Koen: yeah the love for the girl felt real
[12:34:13 PM] Koen: just she said she broke up to her
[12:34:17 PM] Koen: and didn't
[12:34:19 PM] Koen: so rude
[12:34:33 PM] Koen: she should've smacked her
[12:34:40 PM] avelys: LOL
[12:34:54 PM] Jatz .: I thought that scene was funny
[12:35:05 PM] Koen: like that at least
[12:35:10 PM] Koen: that woman was too forgiving
[12:35:16 PM] Koen: that was kind of unreal
[12:35:16 PM] avelys: Yeah, seriously
[12:35:26 PM] Koen: she was hurt so many times, and she believed she would hurt her too
[12:35:29 PM] Koen: and she was right
[12:35:32 PM] avelys: But I can kinda understand. She must've experienced that a lot
[12:35:32 PM] Jatz .: The bit where the other girl panned other yuri stuff was kind of lame. So high brow.
[12:35:33 PM] Koen: so why did she forgiver her
[12:35:38 PM] Koen: like I don't understand
[12:35:57 PM] avelys: Because she chose her completely
[12:36:08 PM] avelys: Plus when you're in love you tend to be more forgiving i guess
[12:36:22 PM] Jatz .: I don't get why she would forgive her, after being lied to and cheated on
[12:36:50 PM] avelys: I think she understood that the mc was struggling with her sexuality and identity but now she's more confident in it
[12:36:57 PM] avelys: It must be really hard to be in her shoes, man
[12:37:10 PM] avelys: To fall in love with someone who isn't sure who she is
[12:37:23 PM] Jatz .: Making the partner so certain was kind of lame. Like, she knows what to do straight away.
[12:37:37 PM] Jatz .: Not sure if anyone in real life would react like her
[12:39:02 PM] avelys: If you could change the ending, what would you change?
[12:39:47 PM] Koen: no getting back togehter
[12:40:02 PM] Koen: to be honest, the story was not jsut the end
[12:40:07 PM] Koen: it wasn't strong overall to me :?
[12:40:20 PM] Jatz .: They don't get back together and the MC finishes her book
[12:40:26 PM] Koen: ^
[12:40:31 PM] avelys: Yeah, I agree.
[12:41:10 PM] avelys: I think she should've treasured this experience since it gave her insight on who she was. But I don't think she should've gotten either of the loves.
[12:41:32 PM] avelys: It doesn't fit with the overall feel of the manga
[12:41:35 PM] avelys: Too happy :s
[12:41:44 PM] Jatz .: My other choice is that MC a rejected humanity and dons the Stone Mask!
[12:42:02 PM] Koen: stone mask?
[12:42:07 PM] avelys: Jojo reference lol
[12:42:16 PM] Koen: ah okay :D
[12:42:26 PM] *** Koen forget who wore the mask :? ***
[12:42:28 PM] Koen: was it dio?
[12:42:30 PM] avelys: ZORRO
[12:42:43 PM] avelys: yea
[12:42:47 PM] avelys: Dio
[12:43:06 PM] Jatz .: Yeah. Dio sama (inlove)
[12:43:17 PM] Jatz .: But yeah. The happy ending felt out of place.
[12:43:29 PM] avelys: I refuse the happies!
[12:44:07 PM] Jatz .: Like, her friend from Highschool was the reason for her first homosexual feelings. Would've been great if her failed partner in the manga confirmed them and that's it.
[12:44:39 PM] avelys: I was intrigued with the whole idea of that Y character in her novel not having a gender
[12:44:42 PM] avelys: That's really cool
[12:44:50 PM] Koen: no D's
[12:45:04 PM | Edited 12:45:08 PM] Koen: who needs a D to have sex (nod)
[12:45:14 PM] Jatz .: Cross gender :$
[12:45:22 PM] Jatz .: Bible Black style
[12:45:25 PM] Jatz .: :x
[12:45:25 PM] avelys: Poor guy wanted to marry her ;_;
[12:45:43 PM] avelys: I love how he was like "I knew it wouldn't be an easy yes from you" hahhaha
[12:46:12 PM] avelys: I wonder if he loved her more as a writer than a woman.
[12:46:17 PM] Jatz .: Should be a H version where he breaks the full homosexual partner and makes her his... :x (devil)
[12:47:26 PM] Jatz .: I'd say he liked her because of both
[12:47:48 PM] Koen: nope
[12:47:49 PM] avelys: But in the end she told him it feels like he wants to write a book and he admits being jealous of her
[12:47:50 PM] Koen: he loved her
[12:47:52 PM] Koen: simply
[12:47:52 PM] Jatz .: He fell in love with her writing and then really liked the writer
[12:48:13 PM] Jatz .: He could probably do better imo
[12:48:41 PM] avelys: And she was so cold to him. He even questioned why he liked her lol
[12:49:16 PM] avelys: Although both her relationships were super sexual so it's kind of hard to decipher if they had any real connections other than physical :D
[12:50:14 PM] Koen: probably
[12:50:19 PM] Koen: we jus saw their pillow talk
[12:50:41 PM] avelys: why was there so much sexxxxxxxx
[12:50:46 PM] Jatz .: I swear they mentioned that he read one of her written entries and really liked them? (He was jealous. Yeah)
[12:51:04 PM] avelys: Yeah and then he tracked her down
[12:51:05 PM] Jatz .: Sex sells
[12:51:23 PM] Jatz .: Proper stalker imo
[12:51:32 PM | Edited 12:52:04 PM] avelys: I mean I get she was exploring her sexuality but this was like 75% of the manga was sex
[12:52:26 PM | Edited 12:52:56 PM] Jatz .: I think most of the convos with her partners were after sex
[12:52:30 PM] Alexandra: because everyone loves SEX abby
[12:52:45 PM] avelys: Could've used those 20 pages per chapter wisely
[12:54:20 PM] Jatz .: Yeah 19 pages of sex and a final page joke would've been great
[12:54:22 PM] Jatz .: (wasntme)
[12:54:28 PM] avelys: lol
[12:54:37 PM] Koen: (rofl)
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Rutsu, a novelist, finds herself caught between her boyfriend and another woman.