 [4:16:18 PM] Alexandra: rip us qt girls [spoiler] [3:08:00 PM] *** Abril has renamed this conversation to "ShoujoHearts | Hana no Namae | Discussion now" *** [3:08:23 PM] Ryan: so how many people read it [3:08:30 PM] Abril: o/ [3:08:43 PM] Abril: I thought u didn't read it [3:08:58 PM] Ryan: no i spent the last 2 hours finishing it [3:09:21 PM] Abril: So, what did you guys think? [3:10:44 PM] Alexandra: it was overall a very sweet story imo, I enjoyed it quite a bit, although it was rushed in certain areas and although I liked kurosawa (that was his name right?) I don't feel like he really played an important role in the story, just a very mild obstacle, but I guess it's more realistic that way? idk [3:11:24 PM] Ryan: I thought it was pretty boring at the begnning but I liked how the relationship between the 2 MC's were handled. I also liked how near the end, we were shown how the two characters act as a couple and how others react to their relationship. Only thing i didn't really care about were the book fan group guys, they were pretty hit or miss characters. [3:12:14 PM] Jeni: I thought it was a pretty good story overall. I read it last Sunday night though, so I kind of forgot the details, lol [3:12:48 PM] Ryan: yeah some of it was pretty rushed though, like that girl that fucked up Kei, i didnt really understand that [3:13:09 PM] Jeni: Yeah, that was somewhat confusing. [3:13:10 PM] Alexandra: yea they didn't really expand much on her past [3:13:12 PM] Abril: Yeah, I liked how it dealt with mourning and trying to get out of a dark situation. I especially liked her attitude that to get out of your situation, you have to do it for yourself. I thought that left an impact. I had an issue with the male lead being too angsty. It got a little too much for me at points, especially when he seems to be content wallowing in his own pity, and hurting others in the process. But I did think that was understandable so it wasn't as annoying. My favorite part would probably be her hitting that stalker kid LOL. Good for her, being a strong female. [3:13:15 PM] Alexandra: why she was all that important to kei [3:13:39 PM] Abril: Yes! [3:13:45 PM] Ryan: and then when kei goes to some random house and shuts himself in and then like 20 pages later he goes back home lmao [3:13:57 PM] Abril: I did not understand what her intentions or the reason for her being there (?) [3:14:08 PM] Jeni: ^ [3:14:16 PM] Abril: And then the best friend blondie kisses her [3:14:16 PM] Abril: Wut [3:14:45 PM] Ryan: yeah and then everything got resolved after that [3:14:59 PM] Ryan: but she gave the mc that object back to her i frgot what that was [3:15:07 PM] Abril: Her pass [3:15:18 PM] Alexandra: like there was the clear formula of the shoujo manga, female from males past who may cause him to go back to her because they had a romantic past, and then male in main females life who causes her to doubt which one she likes, but it was never fully carried through and wasn't fleshed out enough for me to be emotionally invested in it, it was obvious the whole time she'd end up with Kei but I can't really decide if that's a good thing or a bad thing [3:15:20 PM] Sloth™: sloth didn't read orz [3:15:21 PM] Abril: Which is another (?) [3:15:29 PM] Sloth™: i got busy reading marvel comics :d [3:15:38 PM] Ryan: which one [3:15:50 PM] Sloth™: civil war in chronological order [3:15:53 PM] Abril: Yeah, Alex. [3:16:13 PM] Abril: I just felt like other than the two leads, every other character was pretty useless. Well, except best friend-kun [3:16:25 PM] Abril: And I liked blushy-dude [3:16:27 PM] Abril: But like [3:16:35 PM] Abril: lol [3:16:35 PM] Sloth™: ew my skype wants me to upgrade it ;a; [3:16:41 PM] Ryan: yeah the focus should have been just on the 3 characters, everyone else i could care less about [3:16:45 PM] Abril: sloth! we're discussing the manga lol [3:16:50 PM] Sloth™: gomen [3:16:54 PM] Sloth™: i'll slink to my corner now [3:16:57 PM] Jeni: lol [3:17:01 PM] Zenny from the Block: (chuckle) Oh Josh [3:17:09 PM] Jeni: poor Sloth [3:17:33 PM] Abril: Also everybody's reaction to how pretty she was though [3:17:37 PM] Abril: Typical shoujo (rofl) [3:17:43 PM] Ryan: oh yeah [3:17:43 PM] Alexandra: she was really pretty [3:17:56 PM] Ryan: she looked better in the time skip [3:18:09 PM] Abril: I really liked her hair when that friend helped her with it <3 [3:18:44 PM] Abril: I'm so glad she wasn't the typical whiny character [3:18:55 PM] Abril: I'm still really impressed at her slapping that stalker-kun [3:19:11 PM] Ryan: the mc cried like every 5 minutes [3:19:21 PM] Abril: LOL [3:19:22 PM] Jeni: Yeah, the slap was good. [3:19:33 PM] Abril: but she wasn't annoyingly weak [3:19:38 PM] Abril: like she had redeeming qualities [3:20:12 PM] Alexandra: she was a good person [3:20:19 PM] Alexandra: and I appreciated her love for flowers [3:20:38 PM] Abril: Speaking of flowers, I really liked how the garden conveyed their moods and feelings [3:20:41 PM] Abril: That was very nice [3:21:02 PM] Alexandra: yea there was some really beautiful language involving the flowers and their feelings [3:21:07 PM] Alexandra: and I liked those parts a lot [3:21:12 PM] Jeni: ^ [3:21:12 PM] Alexandra: the inner monologue parts were nice [3:21:26 PM] Abril: And when there was something destroying the flowers, while they were going through a rough time, that was nice touch. [3:21:39 PM] Abril: Yeah, I liked that. When they talked about their past. [3:21:58 PM] Alexandra: and although the book club seemed like not too important I still appreciated their dedication to reading and I felt like we could relate [3:22:13 PM] Abril: When they showed up to the funeral ;-; [3:22:23 PM] Abril: I mean, I'm just glad she made SOME friends [3:22:32 PM] Alexandra: she needed some friends besides kei and best friend guy [3:22:35 PM] Abril: Yeah [3:22:36 PM] Ryan: i liked the addition of the book club, i felt if it just focused on the 2 mc's for the whole manga, it would have gotten stale pretty quickly. [3:22:46 PM] Alexandra: otherwise she would've been a not good shoujo mc [3:23:02 PM] Abril: They added more variety and comedic relief to the whole ANGST SAD DEPRESSION [3:23:21 PM] Ryan: pretty much [3:24:07 PM] Alexandra: honestly if I was her, I could see why she like, was into him because Kei was a very attractive man and it makes sense to form a close bond with someone you live with for so long but I would like question it myself cause he was a depressed ass mofo and idk if I would want all that for the rest of my life [3:24:11 PM] Ryan: i had a feeling the manga was gonna go a more darker route with Kei and the chick but it didnt deliever. [3:24:27 PM] Alexandra: yoy mean Iori? [3:24:30 PM] Alexandra: or the main girl? [3:24:34 PM] Ryan: iori [3:24:47 PM] Alexandra: yea I thought it would too, but like we said, they didn't really bother fleshing it out that much [3:25:00 PM] Alexandra: and will she end up with best friend guy [3:25:08 PM] Alexandra: clearly he like loved her [3:25:12 PM] Alexandra: but idk if she returned the feelings [3:25:26 PM] Ryan: and I got the idea that kei wrote Hana based on his relationship with iori but i dont think the manga acknowledged that right? [3:25:35 PM] Jeni: Maybe the mangaka didn't go further with that arc because it could have turned out to be pretty dark. [3:25:36 PM] Alexandra: noo [3:25:45 PM | Edited 3:25:52 PM] Alexandra: kei wrote Hana based on his relationship with main girl [3:26:17 PM] Ryan: wait i thought Hana was written before main girl moved in [3:26:18 PM] Abril: Yeah, I felt like the mc probably needed to go and meet new people, like I agreed with best friend blondie dude. It's very believable that she just fell for him because he was the only family around and "saved her" in her darkest period. She still has a lot of growing up to do. [3:26:33 PM] Alexandra: because Chouko couldn't speak after her parents died due to stress, which is why he afflicted the character in his book with that disease that you get after a major accident where you can't talk [3:26:43 PM] Alexandra: he wrote it while he was living with Chouko [3:27:11 PM] Abril: Hana based on his relationship with ioriNo, I thought they established that Hana is the mc girl and it's based on her? Iori I feel like she reminded him of his mother, probably? Not sure :/ [3:27:32 PM] Alexandra: Iori was just a woman in his life when he was going through a rough time after his mom died [3:27:33 PM] Abril: wait i thought Hana was written before main girl moved inno he wrote it a few chaps after the manga began [3:27:53 PM | Edited 3:27:57 PM] Vincent: hana was finished when they lived together for 2 years [3:27:55 PM] Alexandra: so they formed some sort of romantic connection but for some reason, i guess because stress or something, both Iori and best friend jsut ran away from him which confused me a bit [3:28:06 PM] Abril: Yeah [3:28:19 PM] Abril: He was getting clingy or something and they couldn't deal with it [3:28:25 PM] Alexandra: yea [3:28:50 PM] Abril: They referenced many books he wrote, Ryan. So it might've confused you. [3:29:04 PM | Edited 3:29:09 PM] Abril: They jumped around a lot with the timeline [3:29:09 PM] Ryan: oh [3:29:38 PM] Abril: I thought Iori was going to steal him away from mc [3:29:50 PM] Alexandra: yea I thought there would be more conflict with Iori and Main girl [3:29:51 PM] Alexandra: but alas [3:30:01 PM] Ryan: thats what i thought the conflict of the manga was gonna be as well [3:30:02 PM] Alexandra: the manga would've had to be longer for that to happen I guess [3:30:31 PM] Abril: some plot points lacked direction but I think it got the main message across [3:30:36 PM] Ryan: for what its worth, it told a decent story given its length [3:30:44 PM] Alexandra: yea I enjoyed it for what it was [3:30:46 PM] Abril: yeah, and there was decent character growth [3:30:56 PM] Alexandra: not really gonna be too harsh on it or anything even though there were obvious flaws [3:31:06 PM] Alexandra: it was a sweet story and it helped that Kei was handsome (y) [3:31:15 PM] Jeni: That he was, lol [3:31:37 PM] Alexandra: though will he ever go and buy normal clothes [3:31:42 PM] Alexandra: or will he wear kimonos forever [3:31:54 PM] Abril: LOL [3:31:56 PM] Ryan: didnt he wear a suit in ch 18 or 19 [3:32:01 PM] Jeni: he did [3:32:02 PM] Abril: THAT IS THE BIG QUESTION ALEX [3:32:13 PM] Abril: yeah and I think he wore normal clothes to that trip [3:32:15 PM] Alexandra: yea but it was probably all thanks to his best friend [3:32:20 PM] Alexandra: that he wore the normal clothes ever [3:32:21 PM] Jeni: what is with authors and kimonos [3:32:28 PM] Vincent: [3:31 PM] Ryan: <<< didnt he wear a suit in ch 18 or 19and around chapter 3 or so [3:32:29 PM] Alexandra: he only wore normal clothes when he went out with his best friend [3:32:32 PM] Ryan: kimonos the bomb [3:32:36 PM] Abril: I think it's interesting how he wore those clothes because they were his grandfather's... [3:33:00 PM] Abril: What do you guys think about his mother and the rumors of who his father was [3:33:28 PM] Alexandra: that was pretty dramatic, like it didn't really matter to me all that much but I guess they had to make up some reason why he was so emotionally scarred [3:33:59 PM] Alexandra: it must have been very confusing for a boy his age [3:34:01 PM] Abril: Did they establish that those were rumors or were true? [3:34:09 PM] Alexandra: I just assumed they were true [3:34:13 PM] Abril: Yeah, same. [3:34:13 PM] Alexandra: by the way his mom reacted [3:34:41 PM] Alexandra: she ended up killing herself because she couldn't live with what she did as well as her son being disgusted by her [3:35:29 PM] Alexandra: but like, the random comedic relief besides the book club were those old people who were in love with Chouko and were in her fan club [3:35:32 PM] Alexandra: that was interesting lol [3:35:39 PM] Abril: Oh I LOVED THEM [3:35:49 PM] Abril: Especially when they glared at him and the witty banter x) [3:35:56 PM] Jeni: heh, that was funny [3:36:01 PM] Alexandra: "WE'RE ONLY DOING THIS FOR CHOUKO, NOT YOU" [3:36:10 PM] Jeni: if only I were 30 years younger, lol [3:36:18 PM] Alexandra: lol [3:36:28 PM] Alexandra: I think it was like 40 years [3:36:30 PM] Ryan: have you guys read the mangaka's other works [3:36:30 PM] Alexandra: cause the guy was 70 [3:36:44 PM] Alexandra: I dont' think I've read any of the mangaka's stuff besides this one [3:36:45 PM] Alexandra: you? [3:36:51 PM] Ryan: nope [3:37:12 PM] Abril: I think what got me was the whole "WE AGREED NOT TO FIGHT FOR HER" [3:37:13 PM] Abril: or something [3:37:14 PM] Abril: LOL [3:37:50 PM] Abril: Poor girl, thought she was being bullied in highschool :') [3:38:01 PM] Koen: sorry for not reading/being there [3:38:04 PM] Ryan: did you guys like the art style [3:38:06 PM] Koen: got stuck in a social event :S [3:38:12 PM] Abril: it's okay, Koala. [3:38:13 PM] Alexandra: yea I really liked the art style [3:38:18 PM] Alexandra: it's k koen [3:38:28 PM] Alexandra: the art style made the piece really redeemable for me [3:38:34 PM] Abril: And the art style was nice, very shoujo esque. Actually the character design for the male lead reminded me a lot of yaoi/shounen ai [3:38:54 PM] Jeni: The art style was pretty nice. [3:39:33 PM] Koen: it is, I'll just bother you guys with all my opinons a day late (rofl) [3:40:12 PM] Abril: like from junjou romantica and sekaiichi hatsukoi, the only shounen ai ive watched [3:40:12 PM] Abril: http://myanimelist.net/anime/9926/Sekaiichi_Hatsukoi [3:40:22 PM] Abril: they have this tall moody guy with that hair style [3:40:26 PM] Ryan: god damn [3:41:58 PM] Abril: So, thoughts on the ending? [3:42:14 PM] Abril: I really liked the last line. "Will you tell me the name of the flower?" [3:42:26 PM] Alexandra: I enjoyed the ending [3:42:27 PM] Jeni: What is the name of the flower, anyway? lol [3:42:30 PM] Abril: I also liked the extra chapter with the parents [3:42:32 PM] Alexandra: thought it kept in mood with the manga [3:42:38 PM] Alexandra: and yea the chapter with the parents was great [3:42:39 PM | Edited 3:42:44 PM] Abril: Well I assume it just meant her, Jeni [3:42:47 PM] Jeni: oh, okay [3:42:56 PM] Jeni: but her name isn't a flower name [3:42:58 PM] Koen: HANA [3:43:00 PM] Abril: I wonder if her name is actually a flower--- [3:43:00 PM] Abril: ah [3:43:01 PM] Ryan: ^ [3:43:02 PM] Koen: oh hana [3:43:03 PM] Abril: yeah [3:43:12 PM] Abril: OHH [3:43:12 PM] Abril: WAIT [3:43:13 PM] Koen: they call people in japan flower [3:43:14 PM] Abril: BUT [3:43:16 PM] Abril: SHE WAS THE ROSE [3:43:18 PM] Abril: remember? [3:43:24 PM] Ryan: what [3:43:24 PM] Koen: in europe and america they call people fleur [3:43:29 PM] Jeni: I guess I was trying to read too much into her name then [3:43:31 PM] Koen: which is French for flower [3:43:34 PM] Abril: They have a saying that a beautiful girl is the rose of the campus or something [3:43:38 PM] Koen: so i guess it is not a japanese only thing [3:43:39 PM] Abril: And the best friend called her a rose? [3:43:42 PM] Ryan: lol what [3:43:42 PM] Koen: how about iris :? [3:43:44 PM] Koen: rosalie :3 [3:44:02 PM] Alexandra: well they call people names of seasons and flowers, and colors [3:44:04 PM] Abril: Like the flower, where nobody takes but admires from afar [3:44:05 PM] Ryan: when was that mentoined [3:44:18 PM] Abril: When she was telling the best friend-kun that she was bullied in highschool [3:44:22 PM] Abril: He said "ah you were the Rose" [3:44:26 PM] Abril: Idk if it's relevant [3:44:30 PM] Alexandra: I vaguely remember that lol [3:44:38 PM] Ryan: well was that the only thing they brought up rose, wasnt it [3:44:42 PM] Alexandra: I would say you're not like far off? [3:44:43 PM] Jeni: Well, the kanji for chou = butterfly [3:44:55 PM] Abril: but I see it common in shoujo where they have one beautiful girl and they call her the rose of the school. Like Hibi Chouchou [3:45:00 PM] Ryan: ur digging 2 deep m8 [3:45:14 PM] Ryan: i still think its Hana [3:45:33 PM] Abril: I mean I don't think it's a specific flower lol [3:45:37 PM] Abril: Just the idea of her [3:45:39 PM] Abril: Being the flower [3:45:42 PM] Jeni: Yeah [3:45:44 PM] Abril: In his story [3:46:00 PM] Jeni: I just got all caught up in her name, lol [3:46:10 PM] Abril: When he talked about his Hana book, I thought the premise was really interesting. I wish I could read it [3:46:20 PM] Alexandra: yea I would liked to have read it too [3:46:29 PM] Alexandra: seemed like a good concept [3:46:31 PM] Abril: ^ [3:46:38 PM] Alexandra: and lol at the random fan boy who felt all betrayed by Hana [3:46:45 PM] Alexandra: "I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU" [3:46:46 PM] Alexandra: or something [3:47:20 PM] Abril: LOL [3:47:29 PM] Abril: Glad he got slapped [3:47:39 PM] Abril: Wtf was he thinking, sending those creepy letters [3:47:42 PM] Abril: (facepalm) [3:47:52 PM] Vincent: [3:46 PM] Alexandra: <<< and lol at the random fan boy who felt all betrayed by Hana "I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU"wasn't that because he couldn't stand the style change? [3:48:14 PM] Abril: That's a lot of fanboys in general [3:48:18 PM] Abril: But writers evolve [3:48:21 PM] Abril: Change their style [3:48:22 PM] Abril: Grow [3:48:36 PM] Ryan: not all fanboys are willing to accept that thou [3:48:41 PM] Abril: Yeah, true [3:48:49 PM] Ryan: hence the term fanboy [3:48:49 PM] Abril: But it's like they want more of the same [3:48:52 PM] Abril: Doesn't make sense [3:49:01 PM] Abril: Why would you want more of the same [3:49:13 PM] Abril: Just re-read the older books lol [3:49:21 PM] Abril: Which is what best friend kun did [3:49:24 PM] Abril: Breaking like 3 books [3:49:27 PM] Abril: re-reading it x) [3:49:43 PM] Vincent: rereading books isn't as good as reading it for the first time though :X [3:49:57 PM] Ryan: depends on the book [3:49:59 PM] Abril: yeah but why would you want recycled stuff of the same lmao [3:50:13 PM] Abril: I mean that's probably why shoujo is popular :x [3:50:17 PM] Abril: (rofl) [3:50:23 PM] Ryan: SHOTS FIRED [3:50:26 PM] Abril: LMFAO [3:50:40 PM] Vincent: depending on what you call same you can still look at it from a lot of different angles [3:50:45 PM] Vincent: or execute it in a different way [3:50:55 PM] Ryan: I think people are just so comfortable which that formula that they dont want it being different [3:51:00 PM] Abril: But it's usually formulaic :( [3:51:08 PM] Ryan: and people love that [3:51:10 PM] Abril: It's nice to get something fresh and new, especially from an author you like. [3:52:09 PM] Abril: Btw that guy in the hospital was her grandfather, right? [3:52:13 PM] Ryan: yup [3:52:21 PM] Abril: I felt like I missed why she didn't go see him before [3:52:22 PM] Ryan: did anyone call he had cancer [3:52:41 PM] Ryan: I thought it was kinda obvious [3:52:52 PM] Abril: Do they normally stay in the hospital for years like that? Damn the bill must've been ridiculous [3:52:59 PM] Ryan: yup [3:53:23 PM] Abril: I really don't get why they were estranged though [3:53:28 PM] Abril: Maybe I missed that part [3:53:44 PM] Ryan: i dont even remember most of this manga and i read it like 2 hours ago lol [3:53:50 PM] Abril: LMAO [3:53:56 PM] Ryan: it was kinda forgettbale [3:54:07 PM] Jeni: Well, I don't feel so bad then, since I read it a week ago, lol [3:54:16 PM] Abril: LOL [3:54:18 PM] Abril: wow [3:54:20 PM] Abril: (rofl) [3:54:21 PM] Ryan: damn [3:54:37 PM] Ryan: i liked the manwha we did last week more [3:54:58 PM] Alexandra: [3:49 PM] Vincent: <<< rereading books isn't as good as reading it for the first time though :XI don't think that's true [3:55:01 PM] Abril: yeah the thing with these weekly manga is that it's pretty much a gamble [3:55:22 PM] Abril: I don't think that's trueyeah sometimes a re read is even better the second or third time (mm) [3:55:29 PM] Abril: You find things you missed [3:55:44 PM] Abril: But the first time is magical sometimes [3:55:56 PM] Alexandra: indeed [3:56:01 PM] Alexandra: there is perks to both [3:56:10 PM] Alexandra: and the reason she didn't visit him is because idk [3:56:12 PM] Alexandra: there you go [3:56:13 PM] Abril: alex did you get while she and grandpa were estranged? [3:56:15 PM] Abril: ok [3:56:17 PM] Abril: lmfao [3:56:20 PM] Alexandra: lolol [3:56:21 PM] Ryan: rip [3:56:24 PM] Abril: OTL [3:56:29 PM] Alexandra: I thought it was cause she was scared to see him [3:56:31 PM] Alexandra: in a dying state [3:56:33 PM] Abril: sometimes there are questions that have no answers [3:56:33 PM] Alexandra: maybe [3:56:33 PM] Abril: like [3:56:37 PM] Abril: WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE FLOWER [3:56:42 PM] Ryan: hana [3:56:46 PM] Ryan: like aku no hana [3:56:49 PM] Ryan: GET IT [3:56:50 PM] Abril: Hana means flower, Ryan [3:56:52 PM] Abril: please [3:57:04 PM] Ryan: thats what i mean [3:57:05 PM] Alexandra: we've read a lot of stories about hanas [3:57:18 PM] Alexandra: the hana of evil [3:57:30 PM | Edited 3:57:33 PM] Abril: Yeah, she did tell that lady with her gradfather that it was okay to tell her, that she can deal with it now. So I think you're right, Alexu. [3:58:02 PM] Abril: Lol we had evil flowers, cats, flower [3:58:14 PM] Abril: NO MORE FLOWERS GUYS [3:58:16 PM] Abril: (rofl) [3:58:27 PM] Jeni: :D [3:58:28 PM] Alexandra: but this is a shoujo club [3:58:31 PM] Alexandra: we're bound to run into flowers [3:58:35 PM] Abril: inb4 all the noms are about flowers [3:58:52 PM] Abril: Okay, I think we had a good discussion [3:58:55 PM] Abril: Thanks guys! |
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