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| Hello hello logic and mods! Let's smash this game wide open (or be instantly sniffed out when I noob it up all over this game)! Also @ mods in the club rules it says no external communication between us, is that to cover out of game bases or does that include in the game as well. As in we can't banter in thread to hide (or confirm) awesome club status? |
| Also @ mods I couldn't reply to the pm to confirm as my account isn't 3 days old and as such can't send messages yet. Confirmed in the signup thread but mentioning it here as well to make sure you see it. |
| Ohh crap I need to go spam posts some where I have so few posts that I'll give away a secret chat if I don't have some public posts as well. Uggh new account problems. Done spamming here for now anyway, sorry. |
Grapefruit21 said: I believe that the "no external communications between us" refers to using PM's, skype, or other means of communication (outside this club) that could give us an unfair advantage over the other players. Hello hello logic and mods! Let's smash this game wide open (or be instantly sniffed out when I noob it up all over this game)! Also @ mods in the club rules it says no external communication between us, is that to cover out of game bases or does that include in the game as well. As in we can't banter in thread to hide (or confirm) awesome club status? Grapefruit21 said: I don't know anyone who counts posts and it is against the rules of the club. We can use the Club Comment section to discuss things if you want to keep your post count down. Just use the @ User Name Tag if you want to get my attention. Sadly I wont be here right at the start of the phase change but I will be on shortly after. We can discuss strategy and what not once the game starts I have a few thoughts I would like to discuss with you.Ohh crap I need to go spam posts some where I have so few posts that I'll give away a secret chat if I don't have some public posts as well. Uggh new account problems. Done spamming here for now anyway, sorry. |
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Grapefruit21 said: The external communication rule is to cover stuff like talking to each other about the game in discord, Skype, pivate messages, etc.Hello hello logic and mods! Let's smash this game wide open (or be instantly sniffed out when I noob it up all over this game)! Also @ mods in the club rules it says no external communication between us, is that to cover out of game bases or does that include in the game as well. As in we can't banter in thread to hide (or confirm) awesome club status? Grapefruit21 said: No problem, thank you ^^ I appreciate you enthusiasm heheAlso @ mods I couldn't reply to the pm to confirm as my account isn't 3 days old and as such can't send messages yet. Confirmed in the signup thread but mentioning it here as well to make sure you see it. Grapefruit21 said: Mmm yes so some people prefer talking in the club comments because it doesn’t increase post count, other may prefer using a discussion thread because you can set it to notify you whenever a new post is made. We’ve given you the option to do either in this club so the choice is yours. In your case it might be better to stick to the comments if you’re afraid about #newaccountproblems, just keep in mind it’s actually against the rules to count post counts and use that to make a case in a mafia game.Ohh crap I need to go spam posts some where I have so few posts that I'll give away a secret chat if I don't have some public posts as well. Uggh new account problems. Done spamming here for now anyway, sorry. |
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| @Grapefruit21 Since this was a larger post I though I would put it here I would recommend you continue to use the Club Comment thread but you can link this post for reference. The other thing you could do is one post here and edit it. I am going to look things over things as I watch the Haruhi anime. I will leave my thoughts with you incase I don't make it but I think I made enough waves to make it through tonight. Basically the way I saw EoD is that no one who I felt is suspicious tried to save _0x40_ this lynch came way to easy with not much happening EoD besides me questioning shit. I like Sithis play thus far so I think we should discuss our views on him. Lucian also looking good to me but I am still hesitant. I feel like what Mishu said about Lucian to Bursama could apply to both Mishu and Lucian. So there could be scum between both if not I think they will both be very helpful town. My argument against Kits stands Rosie gave reads and called someone scum but all that amounts to so me is appeasing what people want. _0x40_ stuck to his convictions and that said town to me. Kit is known to be stubburn but I have a sneaking suspicion his fluff with me may have been an attempt to hide the fact he actually rolled scum this time. Kit does what he likes and we have arguments similar to this EoD argument in a previous games. Gruffin....hmmm....idk. I can see town mindset as kit tried what she said she was doing last game I played with them. But it just doesn't feel the same Kit still felt town to me as he did it I could sense his purpose. Gruffin feels like scum backtracking with reason that would appeal to town. IDK I feel scum vibes here. If Gruffin and Kit were scum together I would expect them to try to pocket me make me feel like I was part of a town block with them but I can see Gruffin using Kit (happened in Gruffin's first game) or vice versa. I've been feeling Soren is town I need to revisit that. Some people worked hard to keep that vote there, were they protecting Mishu? That's was the only competing train. I have moved from town to neutral on Mishu. |
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| @Grapefruit21 Day 1 vote count I'll try to make sense of it then we can discuss what we think it means. I will update accordingly as things progress. _0x40_'s train should most likely have at least scum on it. I wouldn't be surprised if there were two either. Mishukax's train has two confirmed town on it and Sithis Lord_Sithis's train has Phraze and Lucian who we are comfortable with for now The rest are one vote trains and me. π Day 1 Final Vote Count π _0x40_ (6): Kit, Soren, rosielovesanime, Bursama, PentaFlare, Gruffin Mishukax (3): _0x40_, Grapefruit21, Lord_Sithis Lord_Sithis (2): Phraze, LucianRoy Gruffin (1): Sonata Kit (1): Mishukax LucianRoy (1): aa-dono rosielovesanime (1): logic340 Not Voting (0) π Day 2 Final Vote Count π  Bursama (7): Gruffin, logic340, Grapefruit21, Kit, Bursama, PentaFlare, Sonata Kit (1): Oyasumi_Rosie LucianRoy (1): Soren Not Voting (4): Phraze, aa-dono, Lord_Sithis, LucianRoy Modnote: That's a lynch, hold tight for the flip. π Day 3 Final Vote Count π  Sonata (5): Kit, PentaFlare, Phraze, DenjaX, Grapefruit21 [L-1] Lord_Sithis (3): Gruffin, logic340, Oyasumi_Rosie Gruffin (1): Sonata Phraze (1): Lord_Sithis Not Voting (1): LucianRoy With 11 alive, it’s 6 players to majority lynch. If a majority lynch is not achieved by the deadline, the player with the most votes will be lynched instead. |
logic340Jan 6, 2017 8:13 AM
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| @Grapefruit21 so the way I do this is I like to find every post where Bursama posted or was mentioned by someone else. This gives me everything related to Bursama in the game. It allows the other players to verify that what I am saying is fact, call me on something I mess up on, and use information I may not deem relevant in their own case (for or against). I also feel it helps to show I am actually working out the game. Bursama: My actual thoughts on specific posts: #159 - His first post of the game and it just felt weird. Now that I look at it again it's even stranger. We get three different reads on Lucian in the same post. I get that he may have been just quoting things as he went along but you would think he could clean that up a little bit. It just feels like an attempt to look like trying to figure out Lucina when he really did nothing with it. Gun to my head comment is two a confirmed townie and on of my strongest town reads. #164 and #165 ask me to explain my counter wagon (sarcastically at that imo) I answer right away no reasponse for 200+ posts. #171 - Was still around to answer #165 but doesn't explains mudslinging again and leaves until #256 #256 - I raise some concerns about Bursama here but rather than address them he tells me to question them all. #363 This post irked me the most I think. I have questions for Bursama??? No it was the other way around Bursama had questions for me and one was supposedly and important 1 yet he still hasn't responded to my answers to them and is now actually claiming I am the one who had question for him. #441 - The reason this stands out to me is because 2 posts after saying that rosie's vote was awkward he votes the same way. I know he listed his reasons but I didn't agree with them. #443 - I really dislike when people would rather try to get information of a mislynch. I mean I get it, it's bound to happen so use it when it does, but to not care that you could actually be making the game easier for the mafia is not call with me. Every townie life is important #520 - My read list Bursama is neutral (though I do suspect him heavily) So yeah, there is the evidence. I need to try and look at it from a town mindset but I will let you weigh in on it first before I try to change my own mind about him. He asks question that he and doesn't seem very interested in hearing the answers. Said that I asked him a question when he in fact had asked me the questions. Pretty much started this whole 40 mess with his mudslinging comments. His nonchalant attitude when talking about the prospects of a possible mislynch. Not even responding to my post about possible town mindset with 40. Voting 40 after saying rosie's vote on him was Awkward feels off as well. I feel a general lack of game solving or an real attempt to understand the behavior of a player. I also feel like he isn't showing much interest in the game with the whole making me wait for response to questions he asked. It was such an important question that it took over 200 post to respond and this was the answer "Not that much about alignment, more about how you think". I have had bad vibes since the first post so let me know if I am being too biased here. Any other analysis you think I may have missed as well. If I am Kit and Gruffin there is no read list and not much active scum hunting other than the 40 thing he started and jumped back on later. |
logic340Jan 1, 2017 2:27 AM
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| @Grapefruit21 rosielovesanime: My Thoughts on specific posts #211 - The vote on Grapefruit seems pretty bogus they claim RVS but state that they are caught up (Vote happens on page 5 where they say they have read up to). Later the reason revealed it what Grapefruit said in their first post (joke about kit being a nice guy) hasn't sat well with them and they haven't shaken the feeling. #217 - Self doubt, I can say I am not really liking that but it is not alignment indicative. #300 - In this post they say that they see why people don't trust me but don't really explain why that is. They go on to say they don't think I am scum but again no reasons to support that statement. They can see why people don't trust me but I am not scum??? this is kind of a contradiction. Gruffin town at least says why they feel that way, no reason for the read on though. The comment to Sonata about not being able to act scum if they tried strikes me as odd since you don't have to act scum if you are scum. In the end I don't really think her answer really answers what I asked. #369 -The unvote is weird to me considering they had already postured to have their lynch on 40. #413 - I don't know if I remember this post at the time of their vote on _0x40_ or not but in hindsight this doesn't look good to me at all. #432 - Here is their vote for 40 it is 19 post later with nothing new to add themselves in between. (This is in reference to #413) I don't feel they did what they said they would try to do before placing that vote. Sithis calls it a sheep later on and I tend to agree with that sentiment. They didn't add their own thought or even rehash what others had said just vote 40 for weak defense against kit and kept it pushing. I spoke out against this vote, Sithis calls it a sheep, and Bursama who voted 40 calls it awkward. #516 - This is a pretty hard defense of rosie by Gruffin imo. Then they contradict themselves by giving rosie a pass until D2 while saying 40 needed to contribute more. I have to think about this right here. Scum team protecting each other?? Gruffin looks pretty bad for this imo. #522 - No reason or examples for the town or scum reads. Even backs off the town read saying neutral better if scum (??). We are not better for the game if scum we should be killed. #567 - More weak reasoning to lynch 40 All in all there is a lot of defense here for rosie who was never really in danger of being lynched today. I was the only on pushing that and my vote was there. I wish that Sonata and Sithis would have moved there with me as it would probably make me feel better about both of them. Basically I feel their reasons for voting 40 was a contradiction due to their own behavior being very similar, unlike Kit and Gruffin I don't feel that rosie's reads and vote added that as much as the interaction that 40 was a part of. I feel like rosie did things to appease Kit and Gruffin's rigid idea of what scum hunting is. Other than not liking 40's defense against Kit she basically refused to give her own opinion on the situation. I don't feel she answered my questions about mine, Gruffin, Lucina, Grapefruit, and 40's alignments in a satisfactory manner and other than those 4 I really cannot say how she feel about the other 10 reaming players. This is not indicative of rosie's alignment so much but While 40 is getting lynched for not giving reads, rosie is getting a pass for refusing to give reasons for the reads she has give. This makes Kit and Gruffin look more scummy to me than rosie. |
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| @Grapefruit21 Who Town Reads Us: Day 1 Graperfruit21: Logic, Gruffin (post#102), PentaFlare (post #457) Logic340: Grapfruit, Soren (post #172), Gruffin (post #278), Lord_Sithis (post #315), Phraze (post #347), Mishukax (post #375 or #553), Bursama (post #385) rosielovesanime (post #432), PentaFlare (post #448) Man I hate being universally town read early. If all these people truly town read me then I will never be a mislynch candidate. Who of these names would you suspect of being scum? Day 2 Graperfruit21: logic340: |
logic340Jan 1, 2017 3:13 PM
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| @Grapefruit21 There is so much more here than I ever imagined yet it was one of the easiest to compile. Teaming me with you has been great. I had a rough last game and being able to talk with you like this is doing wonders for my mafia moral. Lord_Sithis My thoughts on specific posts: #81 - Inactivity got him bussed by his teammates. He talked mechanics a lot (when he was around), tried to sound townie by saying vote, tips on getting out of rvs, and then he straight town read me for his first read. In regard to his post content it seems much better to me, though still lacking. I'm fairly certain I didn't get to see his full scum game. This game feels different from that one I know that is weak support and I know he can't be town read off that alone. #315 - This post almost reads like one of Phraze's but not as confusing. I honestly think he has a lot of his own thoughts in here but he isn't articulating them well, and certainly doesn't follow up on them. The first part about Grapefruit sounds like a bunch of nothing but he is basically saying even with the explanation he doesn't completely trust Graperfuit. He doesn't like Mishu's vote on me he can't make sense of it plan or no plan. I surely didn't view myself the way Sithis did at #315 but after ISOing my name to find who town read me. I have over 50 mentions per page. I guess I was more active than I though. He feels like Kit's case against 40 was genuine but doesn't understand Kit claiming Mishu is town. I actually like what he says about Bursama making too much of the over explanatory thing. One out of 14 other players is complaining about it...looks overblow. I give Sithis points for this post. Not the most well written post but I can see him expressing his own thoughts no matter how poorly he did it. #318 - Phraze is somewhat right about the activity but his post quality and content is way better here. #240 - I actually like this rather than ask a question that has been answered he decides to wait until he is all caught up. The thin I need to look at here is if he actually began questioning like he said he would. #333 - Two mindsets, lazy scum saying they are trying to show where they are at or town trying to give people something to go off of. #339 - Begins asking questions like he said he would. I like the scumread on Mishu because everyone else was reading them town to that point. #393 - If Sithis is serious here then I doubt he will be of much help when it comes to reading behavior. I feel like Lucian was trying to get a reaction with his comment but Sithis seems to be taking it seriously. Oblivious town or acting mafia? #398 - This should make or break how we feel. Reading it is like WTF. "I don't like joking. We should be clear as possible in our posts, confusing posts aren't good. So why do you say you are new when you are not" The name of the game for mafia is confusion and Sithis should know this. Post sometimes need to be cryptic for town to link up under the mafia's nose. Now I have to really wonder if Sithis is playing dumb or if this is really going over his head. It feels like the former but it's pretty convincing. He seemed knowledgeable but absent in Hirugashi so I am going to say this is probably an act. #448 - I agree with Penta here on Sithis his post have been better. He actually give's a much better explanation of #315 (I believe) than I did. #495 and #497 - Maybe this isn't even related but why did Sithis get all the blame for fueling rosie when I was the one out front pushing that shit in an attempt to save _0x40_??? Looking at this makes me feel like Mishu and Soren are setting Sithis up for a fall here. #501 and #502 - This is something I do often and I said the same things Sithis did. I agree with the sheeping comment yet no one questions me about it the way they do Sithis. #505 - Alright Soren contradicted himself right here. He tells Sithis not to mention things that aren't alignment indicative but earlier he was pressing Grapefruit about being a well read new player. Not sure if this point town for Sithis but it looks bad for Soren imo. #508 - Kit compares Sithis to _0x40_ I don't like this with Kit being a lead suspect furthers the thought that Sithis could be mislynch bate. #520 - Read list town lean explained: I like what I am seeing from him in the time leading up to phase change. His posts were getting better, Penta really made sense of what I was feeling in their post, his stance on rosie was inline with mine I though I had a town lean on Mishu I liked that he placed his vote there with Grapefruit and _0x40_ #543 - This question has already been answered and again I am not being questioned for making my own sheeping comment and supporting his. #563 - Soren tells Sithis not to be the next _0x40_. Similarly to Kit's #508 they are telling Sithis to not be the next 40. I didn't like it then and I like it even less knowing that 40 was town watch for possible mislynch on Sithis if town. So through interaction I see a lot of thing that appear to be setting Sithis up for something. If he is town then ether they push him hard D2 or he will be the NK target imo. If he is scum then I am surprise he handled that mishu/soren tagteam so well. I would say among the three of them their could possibly be two scum these interactions are too suspicious. I still get the feeling that Sithis could be town but I am willing to leave him neutral if you still don't see it. He definitely appears to be trying to figure things out, I really like Penta's #448. And if we can agree that Sithis is town then it's possible we can figure out Mishu and Soren and Lucian by interaction/association. Defintely a lot of interactions to go over there looking at motive and mindset. I really wanted to see Sithis as scum but I am just having a hard time doing that. |
logic340Jan 1, 2017 7:34 AM
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| @Grapefruit21 Soren: My thoughts on specific posts: #6 - I wonder if this is the truth in plain sight type of this #13 - I am feeling so left out....why didn't he say anything about me not voting #18 - 40 got shit for moving his rvs vote from Me to Mishu no one says anything to Soren #19 - One post apart yet it's bad for 40 not for Soren #54 - Another truth in plain sight? #75 - If anyone is dancing around at the start of the game it's Soren #116 -This is what I call mudslinging. I even used this as an example of something Soren used against 40 later on in my Sithis read (post #505) #118 -More truth in plain sight? #123 - Blatantly disregards my question to continue pushing the experience issue. #145 - Accuses Lucina of planting a seed earlier then plants one of his own. #182 - Soren pretty much rehashes what Pents said then says it was the other post that tipped the scales without referencing them #193 - Penta voted for me to make me do something about the inactive votes on me. #194 - Really you didn't see their vote on me but the post with the vote prompted you to post?? #543 - Mishu single Soren out of everyone else on the train. Idk if it means anything just noting it #544 - They posted it already it's hard for me to rea these types of interactions. Are they just sarcasm? or something more #563 - God I don't like reading that shit. I'll update my thoughts portion later. I feel like I let Soren's activity and his case on Gruffin pocket me. We definitely need to see what he does early D2. EDIT: UPDATED FROM HERE: I really don't know what to make of the Lucian/Soren interaction. It will be interesting to see how things progress with them. Something says possible scum team but I want your opinion. I also can't put my finger on it but it's weird to me how Gruffin went from not trusting Soren in #278 to being all aboard with whatever Soren wanted to do by #408. |
logic340Jan 1, 2017 10:56 AM
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| @Grapefruit21 I don't really know what I want this post to be dedicated to but I am going to compare certain situations to other games I have played and tell you how I feel they are similar Feeling from Past Experiences: grrr (mislynch NnT) - Kit was on the grrr train with Soren both were town. This is basically how I felt about the mislynch of x40 at the time. Kit is leading the charge but the heavy lifting was done by Soren. In that game I was also accusing someone else while Soren defended them. Kit stayed on grrr (easy lynch target) while I was the only one trying to save grrr. Argument for lynch most informative flip (same in x40's case). This is the third time Kit and I have been town together with me trying to stop him from mislynching. This is why I brought up the point about "when will you start listening to me" because we have a history. 3-0 logic trying to get kit off mislynch (I guess I am 0-3 since I have not been successful). I know this is more a vote for Town Kit but I cant help but feel his reaction at the beginning of D2 was overdone. I feel he and Gruffin kept coming to me about x40 so him responding like that caught me off guard since it wasn't me hounding them but the other way around. Also the way Mishukax moved their vote EoD is reminiscent of Hirugashi where they did the same thing moving vote to scum at the last second. KOta (mislynch The Great Terror) - This guy KOta basically got lynched for the same reasons that 40 did. People didn't like his playstyle, called him anti-town, and said he would be the most informative flip. He didn't give any reads and only called the leader of the next train scum in an attempt to save himeself. He compares very well to 40 imo which is why I am surprised Kit fought me so hard when I made the comparison. I argued this point with Penta and Kit saying that this felt like KOta all over again. Kit had weak support for why KOta and 40 were different now that I think about it I really don't like Kit's references at all and blasted them in my response post. Chione (Mafia The Great Terror) - PentaFlare made reference to Chione duping him in a previous game but I have not been able to shake the feeling that Penta feels just like Chione from that game in this game. They got early town cred for their post (just the way Penta says in their Gruffin read) and they discouraged night kill talk as distracting. The reason this stands out to me is because I was talking NKA in the last game and Chione(scum) talk me it was distracting to town. Now PentaFlare has taken that same stance while having a lot of town credit behind him. Add in the way I feel about Sonata being overzealous town and I think that move to Bursama could be viewed as scummy on Penta's part they are a smart player to be getting fooled like that. |
logic340Jan 3, 2017 5:40 AM
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| #6 - Soren "Penta got sent-a scum role pm Vote: PentaFlare" #54 PentaFlare in response to #6 "Sure did, but the only way you would know that is if you saw me in the secret club, so you must be scum too! :o Vote: Soren" Is this the truth in plain sight or just playful banter? |
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| So this is the list with what we know. Posting for posterities sake. Will post permutations with different ideas shortly. π Day 1 Final Vote Count π _0x40_ (6): Kit, Soren, rosielovesanime, Bursama, PentaFlare, Gruffin Mishukax (3): _0x40_, Grapefruit21, Lord_Sithis Lord_Sithis (2): Phraze, LucianRoy Gruffin (1): Sonata Kit (1): Mishukax LucianRoy (1): aa-dono rosielovesanime (1): logic340 π Day 2 Final Vote Count π Bursama (7): Gruffin, logic340, Grapefruit21, Kit, Bursama, PentaFlare, Sonata Kit (1): Oyasumi_Rosie LucianRoy (1): Soren Not Voting (4): Phraze, aa-dono, Lord_Sithis, LucianRoy |