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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Yotarou and Yakumo...even at this point, I still like the way this show develops their student/teacher relationship. The rakugo performance imo by Yakumo is entertaining as always, nothing less expected coming from him. He's still got it even at his age. What a pro even though his age is deteriorating. I really hope he performs again... |
Stark700Feb 3, 2017 1:18 PM
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| It seems like Sukeroku is better now and given a chance to do the performance with the master. Cassette tapes of previous performers' performance. Completing his tattoo?! Fun rakugo vs. rakugo about instruments especially Shamisen is important that the lady was asked to play during the performance. He's seeing the couple?! It seems like it's his last performance? |
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| That performance and that ending O_O And the next episode PV has me wondering if he's dead or alive |
| I was right to be concerned about Yakumo in the preview for this week's episode. From that hint of him not eating I figured something was gonna happen. I don't think he's dead, but with the purple backdrop(my favorite color btw) and eerie incense created specter of Miyokichi, that was quite the unsettling performance either way. Shoulda aired around Halloween. :D No surprise he saw Miyokichi in Konatsu. And that Sukeroku cliffhanger certainly leaves his fate ambiguous. Doesn't help that he wasn't in the preview at all either. I feel like that room with the candles was referencing something, besides hell or whathaveyou, but I'm not sure. I vaguely recall a story from season one involving death and candles, but again I'm not sure. Maybe it tied into this week's story. Otherwise such a pleasant episode too, with Yotaro Konatsu and Shin being adorable together. Plus his finished tattoo! :D |
| *incoherent screeching* what kind of ending!and the preview doesn't make it any less unsettling. I loved the performance though. btw.ad Miyokichi...idk but i never felt like Yakumo loved her at all, so this was kinda like ?? to me |
| That was one nervewracking finale to the episode. Is he alive? Will he be able to perform again? |
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| Those last three or four mins were astonishing to say the very least. Shit, man. |
| Master's on a peyote vision quest! Next episode he meets his spirit animal! |
| I hope that old man ddn't die. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| I'm 99% certain Yakumo isn't dead, it's too early. He at least needs to survive a few more episodes. But boy oh boy have things started to look grim. I was expecting as much but... wow. |
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| That was an EXCEPTIONAL episode. The rakugou story in this episode, was so much like Yakumo's in a sense that he misses both Miyokichi and Sukeroku. GODLY. |
| That ending really made me grab my chair for a moment. That was just intense. I have no idea what to expect in next week's episode.... |
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They made a little change in the OP o_O |
| Oh no, don't kill the old man, please :(((( Give us the performance! |
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| I knew shit was going to hit the fan in this episode after seeing Sukeroku's red eyes in the beginning, but DAMN that was crazy!!! I had a feeling he would see Sukeroku in the smoke, but once they dove deep into the story about seeing the wife I knew it was going to be Miyokichi. Next weeks episode doesnt look to Happy as well. Looks like a follow up of doing Rakugo without Yakumo. T_T |
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| How many people would like to take back their predictions that this would be inferior to season 1? I mean dear god, if the last episode didn't propel it to greatness, this one did that and more. That last six minutes.... that was probably the best direction I've seen in anything, ever. Not even exaggerating. The moment of build up in which the sense of impending doom portrayed in the incense(the sound direction being the key) along with the masterful performance itself culminates together with the unsettling vibes of the OP, by the time Miyokichi rose from the smoke I felt as though my heart was being gripped from within just as Yakumo must have felt. The whole sequence was beyond gripping, not letting up but instead going a step further with Shin and the candlelit room. I had chills the whole way through, even upon re-watching. I don't even remember season 1 pulling off a scene that powerful. Just goddamn. |
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| The last minutes.... did he die? |
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| NO. I refuse to believe this. |
| Way to end it there! Damn looks like things just took a turn for the worst. I'm surprised Yakumo still hasn't let Miyokichi go! Those were some intense 4 minutes near the end. I knew some pretty ominous things were going to happen this season just based off of the op, I'm really worried for Yakumo's well being. There was this one scene that really made me laugh during the episode. Where Yakumo appears behind Konatsu and tells her "You appear as nervous as ever". Then Konatsu makes a face like "This bitch again". LOL |
| I THOUGHT there was something different about the opening when I watched it! :o I was legit like "Were his eyes always red in the opening...? Kind of creepy." Then it made sense when I watched the end and now I'm really curious what that was all about. I hope we learn more about it in the next ep and I also hope Yakumo isn't dead, there's still so much he has to do ;_; |
| Damn! We all knew that Bon will die somewhere in this season but it's only 5th episode. It's not the time yet! Then again respect for the man as despite all that he still managed to finish his play. Him dying after reciting the story is the most fitting but one again it's too early. Now the saddest part is that even if he doesn't die, which is probably the case, he won't be doing any more rakugo. All he will now do will watch Yotaro change the rakugo and not let it die, which is pretty much two things he doesn't want to see. Then again Yakumo is so complicated character that I can't really tell whatever he really wants Rakugo to die or not. So maybe he will be happy in the end. |
| damn man those last minutes were epic |
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| Well now that small change in the OP with Shin's eye color makes sense. I really hope Yakumo isn't dead, but the preview definitely makes it seem like he is. Powerful episode, especially the last 5 minutes. |
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| It's not time for Kiku to die yet, Shin said so himself. I wonder why Miyokichi appeared to him though (aside from the obvious connection with the story he was telling) : did he subconsciously wish she would drag him down to the afterlife along with her and Shin? He's a bit suicidal so I wouldn't put it past him. |
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| So this is like my first post ever in myanimelist, i never planned for this to happen but at this point i can't stop myself. I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS FREAKING EPISODE. I'm like in denial. From my point of view all the possible outcomes for Bon are super tragic, meaning that: 1. He is rather dead, which is according to me the least probable option. 2. He would end up so traumatized and scared to perform rakugo again after seen Miyokichi, which is my second guess. 3. Or he, would somehow loose his voice. I thought that all the hints throughout the episode of the Master "loosing his voice" and deterioration are not casual; not when the VERY END is Sukeroku saying sorry and choking him. Maybe is just me overreacting to all this unbearable drama, but if his vocal folds get damaged and he ends up voiceless or at least with a cracked voice? I need answers :< Besides, they're so sadistic...after last week adorable and cuddable episode, throwing something like this is just so mean. |
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| How does this show continue to reach into my soul and completely obliterate me from the ground up? |
| Good God. Sukeroku's red eyes in the OP and Yakumo's performance during the end of the episode was haunting. |
| What a stellar performance and remarkable episode. I knew something bad was going to happen after seeing the change in OP, with Sukeroku's eyes being red. The build up with the incense and music along with professional performance was enough to make someone have unsettling and eerie vibes. When Yakumo saw Miyokichi's ghost emerging from the smoke, I could feel the fear he was having and that, sent chills down my spine. This quality performance reminded me of that one time when Yakumo roped all the viewers in when his Rakugo was at peak after his master's death in S1. This quality stuff is why I love the anime so much <3 |
FinalFlash18Feb 4, 2017 4:10 AM
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| that chill ending at the end...makes you realize that you can never escapre from your past |
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| I always get impressed by the quality of direction and narrative of this series,the anime it's a show itself,but would that be the plot twist of that season? I really don't want Bon to die like that...anyways,it never disappoint me,excited for the next episode! |
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Black_wind said: *incoherent screeching* what kind of ending!and the preview doesn't make it any less unsettling. I loved the performance though. btw.ad Miyokichi...idk but i never felt like Yakumo loved her at all, so this was kinda like ?? to me Me too! Especially in the anime. I would like to believe that he loved her but I can't, he treated her coldly all along, showing more affection to anybody else than her, he never showed a hint of jealousy or regret even when she got pregnant with Shin child, he was more devastated to lose Shin actually. She was a good teacher, a good friend ok...but your lover? Really? Who are you trying to kid Yakumo.... Itoshihito? hm.....To me, he should feel really guilty toward her, it's also because of him if things turned bad. It was the weirdest relationship, I would be less surprised to see him marrying Yotaro |
AnnickFeb 4, 2017 2:58 PM
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Kababi said: Black_wind said: *incoherent screeching* what kind of ending!and the preview doesn't make it any less unsettling. I loved the performance though. btw.ad Miyokichi...idk but i never felt like Yakumo loved her at all, so this was kinda like ?? to me They had a weird-ass love. He hid his love for her because he loved rakugo too much and felt that he could never truly make her happy. Not sure he liked Rakugo that much. I was more under the impression that he had nothing else. It was the only thing he could do as a living and didn't want to lose everything just for her. He wanted her to be independent as well, to make a life for herself but she was not ready for that. |
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| The episode was so freaking great!! Amazing Voice Acting, music, execution, superb character animation. Easily an 5/5. Counting the days till next episode. |
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Annick said: Kababi said: They had a weird-ass love. He hid his love for her because he loved rakugo too much and felt that he could never truly make her happy. Not sure he liked Rakugo that much. I was more under the impression that he had nothing else. It was the only thing he could do as a living and didn't want to lose everything just for her. He wanted her to be independent as well, to make a life for herself but she was not ready for that. I more-or-less agree on your analysis of Bon. In addition to Rakugo being his only life, I believe that Miyokichi also represents a return to his childhood (which he associates with shame and something he rather forget). Wasn't Bon a bastard child of a Geisha? Him falling in love with a geshia would probably ruin his standings and reputation as a supposedly respectful Rakugo performer (liked Annick mentioned earlier). Also, I never felt that he was so concerned about Miyokichi's well being. It seemed to me that Bon realized that she never truly loved him. She only loved the idea of a socially-acceptable relationship (someone in high class). She idolized the possibility of being in a real relationship and rejecting her current occupation. Essentially, Bon and Miyokichi wanted to escape the Geisha world. Of course, this is just how I viewed it. I may be wrong. |
| Wow, for as much as I love Rakugo, I didn't expect the series to ever really have such an impactful cliffhanger. I just about jumped out of my seat when the credits started to play, which is particularly impressive because the series had just floored me. Unlike most people, I love the Rakugo performances, in fact for awhile they were my favorite part of the show (from like, episodes 2-6/7 in the first season), and this is probably my favorite one yet (it's a toss up between this, Kiku's Shinigami, and Sukeroku's final performance [shout-out to Konatsu's and the dual Rakugo performance by Kiku & Sukeroku]). |
| Pretty standard Rakugo episode, that is to say, good, up until the ending.Wow. That ending was the most WTF scene since Episode 12 of season 1. Is Yakumo dead? Was he forced down to hell by Sukeroku? Is this what the OP change meant? I need more Rakugo right now! |
| I'm just confused by the whole concept of scoring by "Writing and characters." If you're not entertained, why should you care? |
| God damn the foreshadowing of those red eyes in the op song |
| Now I have to wait an entire week. Holy shit, this is cruel. Why is this anime too good in doing that. |
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JustDan said: Annick said: Not sure he liked Rakugo that much. I was more under the impression that he had nothing else. It was the only thing he could do as a living and didn't want to lose everything just for her. He wanted her to be independent as well, to make a life for herself but she was not ready for that. I more-or-less agree on your analysis of Bon. In addition to Rakugo being his only life, I believe that Miyokichi also represents a return to his childhood (which he associates with shame and something he rather forget). Wasn't Bon a bastard child of a Geisha? Him falling in love with a geshia would probably ruin his standings and reputation as a supposedly respectful Rakugo performer (liked Annick mentioned earlier). Also, I never felt that he was so concerned about Miyokichi's well being. It seemed to me that Bon realized that she never truly loved him. She only loved the idea of a socially-acceptable relationship (someone in high class). She idolized the possibility of being in a real relationship and rejecting her current occupation. Essentially, Bon and Miyokichi wanted to escape the Geisha world. Of course, this is just how I viewed it. I may be wrong. Yes probably, but he did ask her why she didn't do something else like singing, he seemed genuinely surprise when she got mad at him in that episode for 1) rejecting her 2) not getting her. Their relationship is confusing for me, she's clinging to him like a puppy and he's kinda using her, to me it was nothing more than friends with benefits (and the benefits didn't sound that sexual), but then the author make him say that he 'loved" her and it pained him to let her go but he had no choice. Ok in Japanese it said "suki", I can tell that he didn't hate her and she was helpful to him, but where was all that love? I wonder. Later we see him kissing her (that looked out of pity to me) and in the latest episode he call her Itoshii (beloved)...I'm sorry but if he truly loved her they didn't do a go job to convince me. We saw him showing love to Shin, Yotaro, the kid, Konatsu even if he was also harsh with them, but Miyokichi? Not that much. Their stories look like a Rakugo stories, the Geisha aging that doesn't want to stay alone and want to commit double suicide before being rejected by the society. The guy who is not so sure but following her anyway. (Shin) The ghost who is coming back to haunt the former lover. Edit: That reminds me, in another story (yaoi) by the same author. The main character who can't date the person he loves, start a relationship with another out of curiosity and also to fulfill his needs. He uses that person but also loves them even if his real love one is another. So I wonder, is it what the author wanted to do with Miyokuchi and bon? To show us the complexity of someone feelings? |
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Annick said: JustDan said: I more-or-less agree on your analysis of Bon. In addition to Rakugo being his only life, I believe that Miyokichi also represents a return to his childhood (which he associates with shame and something he rather forget). Wasn't Bon a bastard child of a Geisha? Him falling in love with a geshia would probably ruin his standings and reputation as a supposedly respectful Rakugo performer (liked Annick mentioned earlier). Also, I never felt that he was so concerned about Miyokichi's well being. It seemed to me that Bon realized that she never truly loved him. She only loved the idea of a socially-acceptable relationship (someone in high class). She idolized the possibility of being in a real relationship and rejecting her current occupation. Essentially, Bon and Miyokichi wanted to escape the Geisha world. Of course, this is just how I viewed it. I may be wrong. Yes probably, but he did ask her why she didn't do something else like singing, he seemed genuinely surprise when she got mad at him in that episode for 1) rejecting her 2) not getting her. Their relationship is confusing for me, she's clinging to him like a puppy and he's kinda using her, to me it was nothing more than friends with benefits (and the benefits didn't sound that sexual), but then the author make him say that he 'loved" her and it pained him to let her go but he had no choice. Ok in Japanese it said "suki", I can tell that he didn't hate her and she was helpful to him, but where was all that love? I wonder. Later we see him kissing her (that looked out of pity to me) and in the latest episode he call her Itoshii (beloved)...I'm sorry but if he truly loved her they didn't do a go job to convince me. We saw him showing love to Shin, Yotaro, the kid, Konatsu even if he was also harsh with them, but Miyokichi? Not that much. Their stories look like a Rakugo stories, the Geisha aging that doesn't want to stay alone and want to commit double suicide before being rejected by the society. The guy who is not so sure but following her anyway. (Shin) The ghost who is coming back to haunt the former lover. Edit: That reminds me, in another story (yaoi) by the same author. The main character who can't date the person he loves, start a relationship with another out of curiosity and also to fulfill his needs. He uses that person but also loves them even if his real love one is another. So I wonder, is it what the author wanted to do with Miyokuchi and bon? To show us the complexity of someone feelings? Very good points. WOW! I never thought about that part you mentioned about Miyokichi not wanting to be left behind with the times since the Geisha world was dying. It actually kinda parallels with the worries Sukeroku had about the Rakugo world and it being threatened by modern entertainment. So would that mean (by the line of thinking) that Miyokichi and Sukeroku are actually more similar than her with Bon? Of course, that doesn't mean that they're a better fit. |
JustDan said: Annick said: Yes probably, but he did ask her why she didn't do something else like singing, he seemed genuinely surprise when she got mad at him in that episode for 1) rejecting her 2) not getting her. Their relationship is confusing for me, she's clinging to him like a puppy and he's kinda using her, to me it was nothing more than friends with benefits (and the benefits didn't sound that sexual), but then the author make him say that he 'loved" her and it pained him to let her go but he had no choice. Ok in Japanese it said "suki", I can tell that he didn't hate her and she was helpful to him, but where was all that love? I wonder. Later we see him kissing her (that looked out of pity to me) and in the latest episode he call her Itoshii (beloved)...I'm sorry but if he truly loved her they didn't do a go job to convince me. We saw him showing love to Shin, Yotaro, the kid, Konatsu even if he was also harsh with them, but Miyokichi? Not that much. Their stories look like a Rakugo stories, the Geisha aging that doesn't want to stay alone and want to commit double suicide before being rejected by the society. The guy who is not so sure but following her anyway. (Shin) The ghost who is coming back to haunt the former lover. Edit: That reminds me, in another story (yaoi) by the same author. The main character who can't date the person he loves, start a relationship with another out of curiosity and also to fulfill his needs. He uses that person but also loves them even if his real love one is another. So I wonder, is it what the author wanted to do with Miyokuchi and bon? To show us the complexity of someone feelings? Very good points. WOW! I never thought about that part you mentioned about Miyokichi not wanting to be left behind with the times since the Geisha world was dying. It actually kinda parallels with the worries Sukeroku had about the Rakugo world and it being threatened by modern entertainment. So would that mean (by the line of thinking) that Miyokichi and Sukeroku are actually more similar than her with Bon? Of course, that doesn't mean that they're a better fit. I thought they were, I thought they were alike and both needed Bon. Bon wanted to be independent and also fear to be left behind, but he was ready to make sacrifices, unlike the two others. |
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| Wow, what an interesting way to end this episode |
| This was INTENSE. I was thinking "oh, this was a kinda stationary episode", but those last few minutes were insane. It's so interesting to see that the narrative was on its threshold just preparing itself for the last scene. Fantastic. |
Kababi said: Annick said: Not sure he liked Rakugo that much. I was more under the impression that he had nothing else. It was the only thing he could do as a living and didn't want to lose everything just for her. He wanted her to be independent as well, to make a life for herself but she was not ready for that. You're most probably correct but he did have a whole character arc after which he began to love rakugo. Yes that's right. It's just in the latest episode when Yotaro said rakugo was fun he didn't seem so sure haha. Well maybe because it's a lot of work. |
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| Miyokichi is still so damn fine. Sukeroku (sp?) is still the same beta cuck. |
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