Interviews with Monster Girls
| Demi-Chan has a decent set-up overall. Its about a completely normal human having conversations with "monster girls" suffering identity crisis. Its a serene and slow tale where the viewer realizes that there's no real "monster" in the monster girls and thus learns not to mislabel people who are different. There's a lot of parallels to real world discrimination in the setting, be it LGBT issues, ableism or just plain racism. Needless to say, its a show that deserves writers and directors that can actually handle the said topics. As it stands Demi-Chan is just sitting in the middle. It "TRIES" to tackle some subjects but the way it is done is just so subpar that it slides back to the other side of "generic comedy sol" instead of doing justice to the material it covers. And in turn it attracts a lot of creepy people who have wrong impression of what the show is about and want fanservice and all the other stuff that just does not fit the material and would outright contradict the message. Or complain about how the demis are "not monster enough, thus missing the point. The big part of that problem I feel is due to incompetent production staff. Let's look over the production staff:
The funny thing is that this show would have worked so damn well in Shaft's care. Its dialogue heavy, it requires a proper cinematography and it requires to deliver the dialogue in a fun way. Its a show about people talking with each other and that is what Shaft production staff are usually MASTERS at doing. Also it being SHAFT would most likely made sure that the viewers expecting wrong("yay monster girl fanservice booobs yaaay") things would stay away. Demi-Chan has a lot of great messages about tolerance and identity but all of them are lost with the current staff. If it was paced, had more focus on dialogue, had better scene composition and cinematography and better production values, it could have been the show of the season. Right now, it simply just "exists". I can only hope Centaur's Worries gets better treatment. |
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| ya nobody will remember this show 2 days after ending |
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| Not having Gonzo produce this was a mistake. |
| >Not having Shaft produce this was a mistake. Feel like this applies to every anime Shaft doesn't do. |
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| Not having Ufo produce this was a mistake. |
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Swagernator said: Not having Ufo produce this was a mistake. I see what you did there lol |
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| Studio Deen all the way |
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| It seems all that MAL is good nowadays is pointless troll shitposts ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Nice contribution to discussion guyse. |
AhenshihaelFeb 19, 2017 3:10 AM
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| Well I don't normally agree with @Fai on stuff but in this case I think I actually do Doesn't necessarily have to be specifically Shaft but as of right now I feel like Demi-chan is just stuck in the middle of various different ideas without really committing itself to any of them. It's sort of cute but not super moe, it's occasionally a bit funny but nowhere close to hilarious, it has some romance/harem baiting but nothing that will ever lead anywhere (most likely), and the actual unique elements it has concerning the Demis themselves just feels... shallow. Like the idea behind exploring how these beings were to get by in life in human society is pretty interesting on paper, but the way the anime has done it has felt very barebones. If there was some more meat and focus on the actual Demi lifestyles and the messages behind them then the show would be a lot more unique And I'm saying that despite the fact that I don't even like Shaft that much in general, but in this case it'd probably have been for the best |
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| Shaft could probably do it better bringing their artistic vibe and their narration but the source material might be too far from Shaft's vision. The "humor" in this show doesn't make me remember any of shaft's works. I don't know how they could have dealt with that. On the other hand, what they did with 3-Gatsu is amazing and surprising considering their style so maybe they could have adapt themselves to the source material here too. It would have been better but not great anyway. |
| Not having Pierrot produce this was a mistake. |
| I agree, fam, now we wouldn't ever watch Machi doing dem Shaft headtilts ever, why even live? ;_; |
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| Yup, I agree. Could have some ecchi too... |
Ysad_Ziwezhan said: Shaft could probably do it better bringing their artistic vibe and their narration but the source material might be too far from Shaft's vision. The "humor" in this show doesn't make me remember any of shaft's works. I don't know how they could have dealt with that. On the other hand, what they did with 3-Gatsu is amazing and surprising considering their style so maybe they could have adapt themselves to the source material here too. It would have been better but not great anyway. Well that's the thing - people were saying "there's no way Shaft could do justice to 3Gatsu" when it was announced. And yet despite shaky episodes at the start, right now 3gatsu is damn brilliant in its presentation. I don't think there's "defined" shaft humor tbh. Monogatari franchise is entirely different from stuff like Arakawa Under Bridge or Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. So in this case I could see Shaft making the anime actually better than source material because of presentation. |
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| I think you've put lofty expectations on the show that the show itself never intended to tackle in the first place. Firstly it seems you're assuming that the show is at a place where demis are still either new or being discriminated against, but the show clearly says that it has actually gone way past that point. The demis are minorities but still a well known and accepted part of society that is in no way ostracized against by anyone, so i think there is no reason for the show to explore issues such as identity crisis as deeply as you think it should. I'm still assuming here, but i suspect in the anime's world all of the girls were born when demis were already an accepted part of society so having some traumatic past of neglect and discrimination was never going to be the case. The episode of the Hikari sisters i found far more insightful than anything else about how rather than the school or Takahashi sensei, but the family is main emotional support for the demis. Aside from Yuki i won't say anyone had an identity crisis, they all seemed comfortable in their own skin. I see the aim of the show as not just how they go about their lives with these slight differences, but also family, friendship and supporting each other, also given the age of the girls and lack of life experiences i don't think there is a need to explore themes like identity crisis to the depth that you want it to. |
Zee530Feb 19, 2017 8:32 AM
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I'm pretty sure Shaft could do a good job with the succubus here in this regard. As far as I'm concerned I love the fan-service we get with Shaft (not always but most of the time) but it's so good that I can't call that ecchi because ecchi is fan-service with lame humor and lame script, and Shaft is not lame enough for Ecchi ... even though to be honest in the kizumonogatari serie Hanekawa character became so lame I was disappointed from Shaft. Maybe it is just a matter of taste but I don't remember Hanekawa going that much on my nerves in the other series of the franchise. Maybe they are losing it and they are bald ready for true lame Ecchi. |
Fai said: Demi-Chan has a decent set-up overall. Its about a completely normal human having conversations with "monster girls" suffering identity crisis. Its a serene and slow tale where the viewer realizes that there's no real "monster" in the monster girls and thus learns not to mislabel people who are different. There's a lot of parallels to real world discrimination in the setting, be it LGBT issues, ableism or just plain racism. Needless to say, its a show that deserves writers and directors that can actually handle the said topics. As it stands Demi-Chan is just sitting in the middle. It "TRIES" to tackle some subjects but the way it is done is just so subpar that it slides back to the other side of "generic comedy sol" instead of doing justice to the material it covers. And in turn it attracts a lot of creepy people who have wrong impression of what the show is about and want fanservice and all the other stuff that just does not fit the material and would outright contradict the message. Or complain about how the demis are "not monster enough, thus missing the point. The big part of that problem I feel is due to incompetent production staff. Let's look over the production staff:
The funny thing is that this show would have worked so damn well in Shaft's care. Its dialogue heavy, it requires a proper cinematography and it requires to deliver the dialogue in a fun way. Its a show about people talking with each other and that is what Shaft production staff are usually MASTERS at doing. Also it being SHAFT would most likely made sure that the viewers expecting wrong("yay monster girl fanservice booobs yaaay") things would stay away. Demi-Chan has a lot of great messages about tolerance and identity but all of them are lost with the current staff. If it was paced, had more focus on dialogue, had better scene composition and cinematography and better production values, it could have been the show of the season. Right now, it simply just "exists". I can only hope Centaur's Worries gets better treatment. "The series writer is even bigge rproblem. Yoshioka Takao is not known for subtlety of any kind. He worked on such "masterpieces" of subtlety as Highschool DXD, Ikkitousen, QueensBlade, Sekirei, Schoolgirl Strikers, the second awful Garo anime, as well as last season's absolute edgy mess that was Mahou Shoujo Ikusei Keikaku. Total subtlety master as you can see. No wonder the adaptation script feels dull." Let's see....I heard High school DxD is shit. I seen Ikkitousen, QueensBlade, and Magical Girl Project Raising. I like/enjoyed all these shows. If this guy wrote them and he is writing this then that is the reason why I love this show so much. It has very strong writing and is very well paced and tightly written. This writer did a good job adapting this show and not making the MC a prevent or having lots of fanservice. Not bad for someone who writes nothing but T&A. I don't see what he has done wrong. He has made Tetsuo likeable and given all the credits enough screen time. The comedy is well timed and balance and not out of place. If you ask me what really hurts this show is how bland and boring the character designs and animation is. It's typical A-1 pictures shit and a show this well written deserves better. It really sucks since this show could have been an easy 9 but it is playing with a 7 or 8. |
MasterHavikFeb 20, 2017 12:14 AM
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| Cut your losses, just read the manga. I agree it could be better, but it's still a really good show without the deep messages and dark backstories. A Slice of Life Comedy that's lightly brings up important issues but still manages to be relaxing as shit. Rip Shaft. Rip want you wanted it to be. Rip rip rip rip rip |
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| You’re getting troll answers because the topic itself (and its content) is utterly ridiculous... The whole manga is centered on lighthearted comedy and slice of life moments regarding each demis and their growth in school-society, that’s all (Petosu never intended this to be more than that, but if you want to believe otherwise, be my guest)... But for some odd reason you’re making it sound like this is some sort of complex manga dealing with complex themes regarding discrimination and whatnot that, in order to work as an anime, needs better cinematography and a unique stye of directing. Nonsense... Also, the overall manga wasn't never panel that great in the first place, not to mention it has a pretty average artwork/style (excluding the covers). Justice? There hasn’t been anything wrong with this adaption whatsoever... The dialog, character interactions, and situations they have been in, have been all the same as in the manga; nothing has been changed in the regards. For matter fact, some scenes have been re-arranged and expanded with original content making them better than their manga counterpart. Honestly, there is really nothing to discuss here. You just wanted Shaft to do it because “personal reasons”, and you’re disappointed it didn’t happen, thus you decide to create this absurd thread and write that unnecessary wall of text to see if people agree with you. This is all this is... And good for you The only mistake I see here is the creation of this topic, really. No offense. Zee530 said: I think you've put lofty expectations on the show that the show itself never intended to tackle in the first place. Agree. |
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MasterHavik said: Let's see....I heard High school DxD is shit. I seen Ikkitousen, QueensBlade, and Magical Girl Project Raising. I like/enjoyed all these shows. Good for you. Does not change the fact that those are unsubtle otakupandery fanservice shows and this is not. They are not shows people remember for long or assign value to. As a result the execution of Demi-chan(comedy or not) is as subtle as a brick(or as subtle as most of anime 'comedy"). zero-r said: The whole manga is centered on lighthearted comedy and slice of life moments regarding each demis and their growth in school-society, that’s all (Petosu never intended this to be more than that, but if you want to believe otherwise, be my guest)... But for some odd reason you’re making it sound like this is some sort of complex manga dealing with complex themes regarding discrimination and whatnot that, in order to work as an anime, needs better cinematography and a unique stye of directing. Nonsense... Its not a complex story by all means. But it still deals with those themes and deserves better execution. The story still is focused on identity and self issues, bullying, social acceptance, racism/homophobia/ableism parallels, etc. A work does not have to be complex to have message. Any narrative is made with a message in mind. Right now it just fumbles around with uneven pacing, dull storyboards and poor execution of comedy. Also, the overall manga wasn't never panel that great in the first place, not to mention it has a pretty average artwork/style (excluding the covers). Does not mean adaptation with good production staff can't be better than source material. The groundwork is there. A proper writer and director can elevate it. See: 3gatsu. Simple artwork does not mean it can't look good. See: Mob Psycho. If anything Demi-chan's anime designs are moeified more and lack the endearing roughness of the manga Justice? There hasn’t been anything wrong with this adaption whatsoever... The dialog, character interactions, and situations they have been in, have been all the same as in the manga; nothing has been changed in the regards. For matter fact, some scenes have been re-arranged and expanded with original content making them better than their manga counterpart. The problem is how it is done. Storyboarding, cinematography, overall presentation. Its all lacking. Adaptation ca be faithful and dull at the same time. Adaptation can cover same subject and still feel off because it places importance on wrong things. So far Demi-chan is is not placing importance on ANYTHING. It is stuck between being generic sol and TRYING to do the "characters have conversations about identity issues with some relatively grounded fun in between" that is the manga. And it does average job at both, while at the same time breezing past content. Demi-chan is all about characters talking to each other about things and that requires good scene composition and cinematography. Right now Demi-Chan's "cinematography" is no different from usual school life comedy nonsense or most of lesser quality spectrum of dagakobo shows. And thus it attracts wrong kinds of audience who just wishes for fanservice, complains that "monster girls are not monster enough" and dreams about "making anime great again". That kind of audience. Shaft is known for making conversations enjoyable. Hell, Hikari and Tetsuo conversation about vampires from the first episode could have easily been done in style of Hanekawa and Araragi's conversation in the first episode of Bakemonogatari. Hell even scenes with more levity like talking about food or a character having monologue in public bathroom already have better cinematography than entirety of Demi-chan show so far. They flow better. They have interesting and less-pedestrian scene composition, better camera angles, etc. Honestly, there is really nothing to discuss here. You just wanted Shaft to do it because “personal reasons”, and you’re disappointed it didn’t happen, thus you decide to create this absurd thread and write that unnecessary wall of text to see if people agree with you. This is all this is... And good for you Nice adhominem that literally ignores the whole argumentation in my post and assumes things. |
AhenshihaelFeb 20, 2017 12:21 AM
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Fai said: Eh? That just shows me how versatile he is as a writer. You try using those shows as evidence as being bad, but all of them got decently sized fanbases. You're trying to use shows he worked on in the past to discredit him for some petty reasons. MasterHavik said: Let's see....I heard High school DxD is shit. I seen Ikkitousen, QueensBlade, and Magical Girl Project Raising. I like/enjoyed all these shows. Good for you. Does not change the fact that those are unsubtle otakupandery fanservice shows and this is not. As a result the execution of Demi-chan(comedy or not) is as subtle as a brick(or as subtle as most of anime 'comedy"). zero-r said: The whole manga is centered on lighthearted comedy and slice of life moments regarding each demis and their growth in school-society, that’s all (Petosu never intended this to be more than that, but if you want to believe otherwise, be my guest)... But for some odd reason you’re making it sound like this is some sort of complex manga dealing with complex themes regarding discrimination and whatnot that, in order to work as an anime, needs better cinematography and a unique stye of directing. Nonsense... Its not a complex story by all means. But it still deals with those themes and deserves better execution. The story still is focused on identity and self issues, bullying, social acceptance, racism/homophobia/ableism parallels, etc. A work does not have to be complex to have message. Any narrative is made with a message in mind. Right now it just fumbles around with uneven pacing, dull storyboards and poor execution of comedy. Also, the overall manga wasn't never panel that great in the first place, not to mention it has a pretty average artwork/style (excluding the covers). Does not mean adaptation with good production staff can't be better than source material. The groundwork is there. A proper writer and director can elevate it. See: 3gatsu. Simple artwork does not mean it can't look good. See: Mob Psycho. If anything Demi-chan's anime designs are moeified more and lack the endearing roughness of the manga Justice? There hasn’t been anything wrong with this adaption whatsoever... The dialog, character interactions, and situations they have been in, have been all the same as in the manga; nothing has been changed in the regards. For matter fact, some scenes have been re-arranged and expanded with original content making them better than their manga counterpart. The problem is how it is done. Storyboarding, cinematography, overall presentation. Its all lacking. Adaptation ca be faithful and dull at the same time. Adaptation can cover same subject and still feel off because it places importance on wrong things. So far Demi-chan is is not placing importance on ANYTHING. It is stuck between being generic sol and TRYING to do the "characters have conversations about identity issues with some relatively grounded fun in between" that is the manga. And it does average job at both, while at the same time breezing past content. Demi-chan is all about characters talking to each other about things and that requires good scene composition and cinematography. Right now Demi-Chan's "cinematography" is no different from usual school life comedy nonsense or most of lesser quality spectrum of dagakobo shows. And thus it attracts wrong kinds of audience who just wishes for fanservice, complains that "monster girls are not monster enough" and dreams about "making anime great again". That kind of audience. Shaft is known for making conversations enjoyable. Hell, Hikari and Tetsuo conversation about vampires from the first episode could have easily been done in style of Hanekawa and Araragi's conversation in the first episode of Bakemonogatari. Honestly, there is really nothing to discuss here. You just wanted Shaft to do it because “personal reasons”, and you’re disappointed it didn’t happen, thus you decide to create this absurd thread and write that unnecessary wall of text to see if people agree with you. This is all this is... And good for you Nice adhominem that literally ignores the whole argumentation in my post and assumes things. You basically say, "He wrote Ikki Tousen, so this show sucks." Also the show isn't suppose to be subtle. I mean Tetsuo's answer near the end of episode 5 was so smart and well thought, you would have to tell me the guy behind Ikki tousen wrote that. Anyway, I think you're asking for another Steven Universe/ We Bare Bears when this show isn't that. God watch those shows if you want that so badly. I think you're thinking way too deeply into a simple sol show with solid comedy but really nice writing and depth to tis characters. Also I kind of agree with @zero-r you kind of have made yourself look like a Shaft fanboy and kind of come off as very nitpicky for a show about what seems to be an above average manga. Now I don't like A-1 picture as much as the other guy and I don't think this show is perfect but really ate gasping for straws. People asking for that will always ask that no matter the show. It happened to me when I tried to show someone Yakuza and the Gregory Horror Show. He automatically hated because it didn't have cute anime girls and waifus. |
MasterHavikFeb 20, 2017 12:23 AM
| I had to change this because some loser couldn't make an actual argument. So....yeah I hope you guys like the new sig. |
| And a big all Rip rip rippity rip |
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| Also if I can Ikki Tousen, Queens Blades, and Magical Girl Project raising are pretty decently written too. Queens Blade being the best since they have been able to expand on its universe and characters the most. Same with Ikki tousen, which just gets better as the seasons go on. Among all that fanservice lies pretty solid/good shows that people just hate because they have fanservice. |
| I had to change this because some loser couldn't make an actual argument. So....yeah I hope you guys like the new sig. |
| Not having Arms produce this was a mistake |
| "The more inexperienced you are, the more you want to show off." - Oreki, Hyouka |
If this what you believe and how you feel, that's fine (it is what it is)... I still think this having its own topic of discussion is rather pointless. Frankly, you could have used one of the episodes discussions threads to write this instead. By the way, I'm not really going to enter on a discussion with you regarding this matter pass this point, as I find it to be extremely trivial and a waste of my time; no offense. Again, the only thing i got from reading this was that you had some odd/weird expectations about this show's overall direction, but it didn't happen, thus your disappointment, thus the creation of this thread to vent some of your frustration. That's all. Anyhow, have a good day. Also, I won't be commenting in this specific topic anymore, so please don't bother quoting me again. |
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| Not having PINK PINEAPPLE produce this was a mistake. |
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| Umm i think the show could have been better...But u are projecting and harping at the wrong nodes my friend....Profiling issues in this anime isnt close to what it is in the real world and there's no requirement for the anime to waste much time and misdirect it.... "It attracts creepy people". I think u hv some psychological problems... |
bakakisimaNov 26, 2018 6:53 AM
| Fuck no. Perfect adaptation. Shaft ruined Nisekoi. Shaft fits Bakemonogatari, but it doesn't fit everything. The direction was great and solid to breath life to the manga and make it ever better through animation! |
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