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AversaOct 13, 2017 9:55 AM
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| Mm, it looks like they're getting to the school life setting stuff. Hello Rea. Honestly, idk how to feel about this show yet still. I can't get invested into the characters at the moment except for maybe Ren since he's the main male protagonist. At least this episode didn't seem like it was all over the place like episode 0 though. |
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| Far better than episode 0, at least. Should have started off with this. No turning back now, though. |
Stark700 said: Mm, it looks like they're getting to the school life setting stuff. Hello Rea. Honestly, idk how to feel about this show yet still. I can't get invested into the characters at the moment except for maybe Ren since he's the main male protagonist. At least this episode didn't seem like it was all over the place like episode 0 though. The main problem with episode 0 is the release time. Even VN part it is based on, was originally an extra which unlocks after finishing certain route. In other words, readers were already familiar with cast, so it both made sense and was interesting. ...but now, it is dragging down ratings of entire series before actual release of the 1st episode. |
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Sparteh said: Stark700 said: Mm, it looks like they're getting to the school life setting stuff. Hello Rea. Honestly, idk how to feel about this show yet still. I can't get invested into the characters at the moment except for maybe Ren since he's the main male protagonist. At least this episode didn't seem like it was all over the place like episode 0 though. The main problem with episode 0 is the release time. Even VN part it is based on, was originally an extra which unlocks after finishing certain route. In other words, readers were already familiar with cast, so it both made sense and was interesting. ...but now, it is dragging down ratings of entire series before actual release of the 1st episode. How faithful to the VN was this episode? |
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Stark700 said: Sparteh said: The main problem with episode 0 is the release time. Even VN part it is based on, was originally an extra which unlocks after finishing certain route. In other words, readers were already familiar with cast, so it both made sense and was interesting. ...but now, it is dragging down ratings of entire series before actual release of the 1st episode. How faithful to the VN was this episode? Episode 0? Not very. Even in the context of the side story, they essentially skipped a huge part of the story, which put most of what was happening into context. There were no clear deviations, but it was a gross simplification that just came across as confusing. If you mean episode 1, then it was pretty spot on. They did skim over some stuff, but it wasn't as bad as 0. |
| To those who still somehow chose to continue after seeing the disaster of last weeks episode, I highly recommend looking at the opening, prologue which was reduced to a meager 3 minutes and the Die Morgendammerung side story from the Visual Novel, if you want to comprehend what the heck happened there and have the time available. And above that, I'd recommend checking out the visual novel-the common route is free on steam. The anime is guaranteed to run into pacing problems with it's limited run time (and limited budget), as we've already seen happen with episode 0. So if you're interested in this to any degree beyond random seasonal pickup, it's worth your time to check out the VN instead of watching the anime. Anyway, this episode wasn't exactly superb in any departments or anything but it was an improvement over episode 0, for sure, both in terms of adapting and animation. Rea was cute as always, though I did like the VN TLs choice of dialogue a bit more since it felt funnier and out of the blue lol. I like how they snuck in some free marketing for Senshinkan with Amakasu there. This was a funny face. Ren's monologue was alright. Apron Kasumi was...surprisingly cute. The holes in the wall were pretty small but that kick was nicely done from Ren, heh. I miss Kei's old jacket though, it was much more bizarre. Those skull flashes were a nice way of implying their (VN spoiler) early on. I like how CR mixed up Malleus and Marie, that's going to confuse some people for sure. For the record, Marie=blonde guillotine girl, Malleus=Redhead(pinkhead?) Nazi girl. Anyway it looks like this is confirmed Marie route+Mixed in things from other routes for sure. |
InsertanamehereOct 13, 2017 12:18 PM
Insertanamehere said: To those who still somehow chose to continue after seeing the disaster of last weeks episode, I highly recommend looking at the opening, prologue which was reduced to a meager 3 minutes and the Die Morgendammerung side story from the Visual Novel, if you want to comprehend what the heck happened there and have the time available. Anyway, this episode wasn't exactly superb in any departments or anything but it was an improvement over episode 0, for sure, both in terms of adapting and animation. Rea was cute as always. Ren's monologue was alright. I like how CR mixed up Malleus and Marie, that's going to confuse some people for sure. Quality translations indeed. Steiner must be seething with rage. |
| Episode 0 may have ruined the experience for anime-only watchers. The voice actor of the MC gives the hint who he might be/was on Episode 0. Probably a big spoiler. As an anime only watcher, I'm quite annoyed with this. Well, about the episode itself. Nothing much to say, it is still the character introduction. OP was meh I have mixed feelings about the guillotine song. Not sure if it is creepy or cringy. |
AdrianRubinskyOct 13, 2017 10:59 AM
| ep0 was more fun for me though, Well this show is the kind of one i dig in the most, 1st ep confirmed that i'll be most likely looking forward to this the most every week. |
| What a boring episode. Not much of an improvement over episode 0. It seems Ren has a fear of knives. Kasumi tried to help him overcome it, but he passed out. Rea is amusing. Some dangerous characters appeared at the end. |
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| After last week´s mess this episode was actually... quite decent in comparison. I guess when there is no action involved (or at least action that involves choreography or fluid moments) the animation can hold up and so does the art. Adaptation-wise it was also a big improvement, since in spite of skimming over some stuff, nothing major was skipped. Nice to see that Ren also got some of his monologues preserved. As for the content itself and introductions aside, I particularly liked the Marie scene since the song and the following decapitation scene was on point (that smirk of the bystander though lol). Kasumi was annoying as expected, but still props to the new seiyuu since she totally got that annoying voice tone on point. Still is the lack of ED visuals a sign that they spent the budget of it on the OP? Where are my Reinhard/Mercurius bishie visuals? Hope they rectify that on the following episode. Lovely Marie illustration at the end though. |
KaitonOct 13, 2017 11:12 AM
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| This is actually far better than last week. If you ignore all the confusion from ep 0, there should be no issue following the story from now on. A couple of thoughts: OST: Made its way into the scenes more naturally. Visuals: The fight at the beginning wasn't spectacular, but it was far from the atrocious action in ep 0. The only nitpick I have is how some pedestrians were clearly static in the background. All in all, it may not be gorgeous, but it's passable. Pacing: Unlike most vn adaptations, this didn't feel rush at all. That's a good sign imo. On a side note, the public singing the guillotine song was kinda weird. I feel they could have done a better job with the song overall. |
FlamepriesTOct 13, 2017 11:09 AM
maybe it isn't but drawing attention to it just might be, I think you guys should probably keep those comments in spoiler tags |
joa12222 said: AdrianRubinsky said: Episode 0 may have ruined the experience for anime-only watchers. The voice actor of the MC gives the hint who he might be/was on Episode 0. Probably a big spoiler. Mercurius is introduced before Ren in the VN too so them having the same voice isn't really a spoiler. Well, that's good to hear. Thank you. |
| Okay start, not rushing into the battles is good. Now for the blessed killings. |
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| A good episode, better than episode 0 I find. As much as the drawings of the episode 0 was not terrible without being ugly, as much this 1st episode has improved and it pleases to see. I see, however, that a lot of people get stuck on episode 0 and note the 1st episode the same way, these people are stupid because episode 0 is special, but it's comical to see. Let's see what happens next. And talking about confusion for this episode would have to be even more stupid, I think that getting into the habit of anime with pretty girls without real deepening of the scenario is so usual that we spit on things out of the way, so ask to this public to reflect, is like asking a cow to be obedient ... without success. |
UltimaWeaponEX said: A good episode, better than episode 0 I find. As much as the drawings of the episode 0 was not terrible without being ugly, as much this 1st episode has improved and it pleases to see. I see, however, that a lot of people get stuck on episode 0 and note the 1st episode the same way, these people are stupid because episode 0 is special, but it's comical to see. Let's see what happens next. And talking about confusion for this episode would have to be even more stupid, I think that getting into the habit of anime with pretty girls without real deepening of the scenario is so usual that we spit on things out of the way, so ask to this public to reflect, is like asking a cow to be obedient ... without success. I think this is a MAL glitch. They forked Episode 0 after people voted for this anime. The MAL staff probably never reseted the score. |
| That was a good episode overall. Imo episode 0 was completely unnecessary and a waste of money as well. I really don't like Kasumi, not only is she loud and annoying, but she's also insensitive, she took Fujii to a sword gallery when the dude is scared of all kinds of blades...I prefer the senpai. About Fujii, the fact that he's the MC of an anime which will be pretty brutal as far as I can tell, and that he's afraid of blood and kitchen knives(!!), doesn't make me excited. I think he's gonna be a major pain in the ass. Other than that I have high expectations, from what I've learned this anime crowdfunded a butt load of money, so I'm expecting it to be put in good use. |
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AdrianRubinsky said: It's not a bug, they just made a new entry for ep 0. You had to manually go and add that entry to your list and score that instead. Anyone who didn't notice this will still have their scores made for ep 0 set for the entry of the main seriesUltimaWeaponEX said: A good episode, better than episode 0 I find. As much as the drawings of the episode 0 was not terrible without being ugly, as much this 1st episode has improved and it pleases to see. I see, however, that a lot of people get stuck on episode 0 and note the 1st episode the same way, these people are stupid because episode 0 is special, but it's comical to see. Let's see what happens next. And talking about confusion for this episode would have to be even more stupid, I think that getting into the habit of anime with pretty girls without real deepening of the scenario is so usual that we spit on things out of the way, so ask to this public to reflect, is like asking a cow to be obedient ... without success. I think this is a MAL glitch. They forked Episode 0 after people voted for this anime. The MAL staff probably never reseted the score. Doesn't really matter though; if they dropped it already then they'll be filtered out by the 1/5 rule eventually when the show ends regardless |
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| so these are the true colors of the anime? pretty different from what ep 0 showed, not really sure how to feel about this, I think I'll wait for next episode |
| "We could make the world better, but it's easier to just shut our eyes." ~Blackwall |
| Still rushed but this was FAR better than ep 0 i actually enjoyed this episodes, Kasumi is still kasumi but i love anime version of Rea more than the VN, in the VN she was very bland it get on my nerve sometimes ED sucks tho lol |
joe_g7 said: That was a good episode overall. Imo episode 0 was completely unnecessary and a waste of money as well. I really don't like Kasumi, not only is she loud and annoying, but she's also insensitive, she took Fujii to a sword gallery when the dude is scared of all kinds of blades...I prefer the senpai. About Fujii, the fact that he's the MC of an anime which will be pretty brutal as far as I can tell, and that he's afraid of blood and kitchen knives(!!), doesn't make me excited. I think he's gonna be a major pain in the ass. Other than that I have high expectations, from what I've learned this anime crowdfunded a butt load of money, so I'm expecting it to be put in good use. He is bit of whiny bitch but he gets over his fear of blades, you should look forward for when Shirou 'the true MC " shows up |
Stark700 said: Sparteh said: The main problem with episode 0 is the release time. Even VN part it is based on, was originally an extra which unlocks after finishing certain route. In other words, readers were already familiar with cast, so it both made sense and was interesting. ...but now, it is dragging down ratings of entire series before actual release of the 1st episode. How faithful to the VN was this episode? They skipped quite a bit, but it wasn't as bad as episode 0. If DI was made by ufotable, that would have been perfect. In order to judge properly we need to see how will studio handle dialogues between antagonists. |
SpartehOct 13, 2017 11:48 AM
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| An improvement over episode 0, but that's not difficult to achieve. The way the episode ended has me looking forward to seeing what's going to happen next. Also i wonder how different the score would be if episode 0 never happened and they started with this. |
| People on MAL refuse to actually enjoy watching anime. Your taste in anime isn't a personality trait. Take me back to the days before MAL became infested with Twitter's favorite buzzwords. |
| As expected of the actual first episode, definitely and improvement. Doesn't mean that it suddenly became good though. Animation is still sub par; but the ost is is nice as usual (thanks to the vn). I'll probably keep watching it till the end; but I don't think I will end up liking it I'm afraid. |
Frostbytes said: Good ol' Kasumi is irritating as ever(I hate her new voice even more now), Rea with her deadpan jokes as usual. Anyway an improvement over the last ep, but you can't really mess up this common route, can you? Lol at the ending theme and confusion over Marie and Rusalka. How can you not like kasumi when she is this cute ? senpai is far than the VN i must admit, except for some of her jokes she was very bland |
| Very happy to see that I wasn't the only one who didn't get or enjoy Ep 0. This seemed like a different show. In fact, I was confused at first whether I was even watching the same show. Still not sure what's going on, whether the MC and housemates are good or bad, etc. but I stick with it for now. |
E96825 said: Sparteh said: They skipped quite a bit, but it wasn't as bad as episode 0. If DI was made by ufotable, that would have been perfect. In order to judge properly we need to see how will studio handle dialogues between antagonists. I can't believe you talk about cutting things and mention ufotable making a good job, LOL. Ufotable cut 50% of F/SN when adapting it to the point of ruining Shirou's character like in the scene vs Medea in the end of the first cour. They made him into a buffoon for most of the anime without giving insight into his state of mind, they also didn't properly adapt his powers making everyone scream BS when he handed it to... well spoilers Their visuals are pretty but so far their VN adaptations are just that. Ren is more bold and stiff in the VN than the anime, he sound too happy go lucky in the anime imo |
E96825 said: Sparteh said: They skipped quite a bit, but it wasn't as bad as episode 0. If DI was made by ufotable, that would have been perfect. In order to judge properly we need to see how will studio handle dialogues between antagonists. I can't believe you talk about cutting things and mention ufotable making a good job, LOL. Ufotable cut 50% of F/SN when adapting it to the point of ruining Shirou's character like in the scene vs Medea in the end of the first cour. They made him into a buffoon for most of the anime without giving insight into his state of mind, they also didn't properly adapt his powers making everyone scream BS when he handed it to... well spoilers Their visuals are pretty but so far their VN adaptations are just that. Bullshit, they made the better adaptation to any VN content we have thus far, along with Steins;Gate's one way back in 2011. The problem is that F/SN just doesn't work without the other 2 routes, as it was the standalone adaptation of just one of the 3. It's just impossible, no matter if they tried to expand some of the characters backgrounds anyway. This + the ommition of Shirou's dialogue and monologues kinda makes hard for his character to get the same level of noticeable development as well, but that alone wouldn't ruin what they did right. |
DanpmssOct 13, 2017 12:35 PM
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| Ren is gary sue with edgy twist him, i hope they show more of his tsundere side in the episodes to come |
| I don't get why some people think this is rushed. Aside from the porn mags comment, I'd have to read the beginning again just to remember what they decided to skip. If anything, Dies Irae is so unnecessarily wordy that they may be able to shorten a lot of the content and still keep most of the important stuff there. At least, I hope so. |
E96825 said: Sparteh said: They skipped quite a bit, but it wasn't as bad as episode 0. If DI was made by ufotable, that would have been perfect. In order to judge properly we need to see how will studio handle dialogues between antagonists. I can't believe you talk about cutting things and mention ufotable making a good job, LOL. Ufotable cut 50% of F/SN when adapting it to the point of ruining Shirou's character like in the scene vs Medea in the end of the first cour. They made him into a buffoon for most of the anime without giving insight into his state of mind, they also didn't properly adapt his powers making everyone scream BS when he handed it to... well spoilers Their visuals are pretty but so far their VN adaptations are just that. Dies Irae is primary focused on fighting, therefore visuals are very important. As for Shirou, I personally go with opinion that there are 2 good Shirous (one from HF and other *spoilers*). In order to see true quality of adaptation we have to see more of Mercurius |
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Danpmss said: Bullshit, they made the better adaptation to any VN content we have thus far, along with Steins;Gate's one way back in 2011. This + the ommition of Shirou's dialogue kinda makes hard for his character to get the same level of noticeable development as well, but that alone wouldn't ruin what they did right. If they cut out crucial dialogue to the central characters development, how is it the best adaptation we've seen thus far? His character from UBW in the VN is quite condensed and not really properly portrayed in anime form. Well, in any case this isn't an F/SN UBW discussion thread. |
FlamepriesT said: I don't get why some people think this is rushed. Aside from the porn mags comment, I'd have to read the beginning again just to remember what they decided to skip. If anything, Dies Irae is so unnecessarily wordy that they may be able to shorten a lot of the content and still keep most of the important stuff there. At least, I hope so. To be fair, MC's monologues at the beginning of the VN deal a great part of his proper presentation as a character, and it was one great characterization overall. Heck, characterization is one of Dies Irae's strongest points. I wouldn't mind them rushing battles or skimming long dialogues (or even ommit all of the chuuni prose) as long as they get that right. |
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Insertanamehere said: Danpmss said: Bullshit, they made the better adaptation to any VN content we have thus far, along with Steins;Gate's one way back in 2011. This + the ommition of Shirou's dialogue kinda makes hard for his character to get the same level of noticeable development as well, but that alone wouldn't ruin what they did right. If they cut out crucial dialogue to the central characters development, how is it the best adaptation we've seen thus far? His character from UBW in the VN is quite condensed and not really properly portrayed in anime form. Well, in any case this isn't an F/SN UBW discussion thread. >cut out crucial dialogue to the central characters development Refresh my memory on that one, with spoiler tags. I remember very few things in UBW not being literally a scene-by-scene approach to the VN counterpart (and I reread it while watching each new episode, the only thing off is the ommition of inner monologues, in fact). Also, give me examples of any better VN adaptations that isn't Steins;Gate if you want to prove my point wrong. There's Higurashi, but that was just a great alternative take of the source material while being one very terrible adaptation. |
DanpmssOct 13, 2017 12:34 PM
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| Let's not start bringing Fate/ into this, guys. We all know that's not going to end well. |
| Am I the only one focused on how these people punched human-sized holes through each other's walls in a fucking apartment complex? And how everyone seems okay with it? What the hell is wrong with these people?! |
AvidAnimeViewer said: Am I the only one focused on how these people punched human-sized holes through each other's walls in a fucking apartment complex? And how everyone seems okay with it? What the hell is wrong with these people?! They did it with a sledgehammer. I think Shirou was the first to do it and Kasumi followed him. Ren actually wanted to cover the holes because he feared that the landlord would throw them out. So only Bakasumi and Shirou are the ones with a screw loose. |
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| meh it was confusing and average |
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